Safe Harness on Street?

[skylindrftr]

I have seen multiple views on the wearing harnesses on the street. I have heard they are dangerous on the street no matter what. I have heard that they are safter than seat belts if mounted right. I have heard they are for racetrack use only and etc etc. Which one is right? Reason being I got a Takata Harness for uber cheap and the only time I would use it would be when I go to the track (LACR mostly) so yeah...

[drift-it]

keep your oem seat belt for around town and harness for track.

[skylindrftr]

But why is that, is there some inherent danger? errr other reason?

[NemeGuero]

Don't use them. Give them to me. They're dangerous.

[skylindrftr]

Thanks buddy, but does anyone have an actual reason besides the fact that they draw attention or whatever...err what is the reason they are dangerous for street use?

[ixfxi]

4pt typically allow submarining effect.

schroth is one of the few that is DOT compliant and OK for street use. i run them.

5pt is good, but excessive for street.

if you drag race, i wouldnt use any seatbelt (joking).. but dont really need harnesses unless your shit is super quik.

i believe rollbars are absolutely necessary, regardless.

[steve shadows]

i believe rollbars are absolutely necessary, regardless.

5 PT harness is necissary before roll bar for most drag competitions and nhra sport compact car.

11.99 then roll bar. then after 10.99 and under cage.

[skylindrftr]

Hehe drag racing...yeah I just go up for kicks with my buddies, hard to get out to willow (no $ right now) and no lsd = no drifting for now so yeah...
The takata has a little spot to allow for a 5th pt, so hypothetically, if correctly mounted, they would be safe on the street?

[Blues13]

Another point is that a race harness does not allow you to slide sideways in a rollover. You will still be strapped upright and crushed if the roof caves in - that's the big reason why everyone says to only use them with a roll cage.

[eastcoastS14]

yeah theres already threads on this, they are old but search and youll find them....

but to answer your question, OEM seatbelts use the lap belt to prevent you from sliding down in your seat in a crash, Takata's dont perfom the same function, also as someone else stated if you ever rolled your car you would be stuck upright and as the roof collapsed the full weight of the car would be on your head and neck which would snap very easily....someone correct me if im wrong on any of this

your stock seatbelts will be fine for racing...even tho takata's do make you look sooo JDM:cj:

[skylindrftr]

Thanks for the infos, I guess I will just keep the harnesses for the track, when I get them mounted correctly anyhow.

And eascoasts14, yes I am a jdmwhore and know it, there is no logic known that can keep me from wanting jdm parts, just an unfortunate money barrier =(

[eastcoastS14]

ha nothing wrong with wanting jdm stuff, as long as you actually put it to use and dont by shit just cause it has japanese writing on it

[skylindrftr]

oh no, I am a very brand conscious jdm slut! (of course there are exceptions, like circuit sports which is not like super jdm but their parts are still sold on the japanese market according to their website)

[Jung918]

The reason why the harness is not safe without atleast a roll bar is because they do not allow you to move. Say you got in a roll over, the stock seat belt would allow you to somewhat bend down where the harness does not really give you room to move except for your neck. There is also the fact that if not installed at a certain angle, it could possible cause spinal damage.

[skylindrftr]

Okey dokey, time to sell the Takata i guess since I will not put it to any serious use (car is not fast enough in the 1/4 to need them)

[jilo]

stock seat? if anything, mount them correctly (to rear seatbelt mount or rear deck, yea a rollbar is best.) and just use regular belts every day. they are only fabric so you can basically just push them out of the way. you can use them when you want or deem necessary, if not push em aside. this is what i did with my sabelt's. ive got an old sparco sprint goin in soon, and it will need them.

[Yuri]

If your harnesses are tightened properly, you'll see why you don't want to use them on the street.
Their main purpose is to prevent you from moving around the cabin, and do this very well.
Strap yourself into your harness, and tighten it to how you should have it on the track.
Now attempt to operate all your controls, and check you blind spots.
The harness doesn't give you the freedom of movement a seatbelt would.
If it does, you aren't using it correctly.

[ThatGuy]

Schroth Rallye 3 DOT Approved Harness (http://www.soloracer.com/rallye3.html)

Schroth Rallye 4 DOT Approved Harness (http://www.soloracer.com/rallye4.html)

Those are legal to run on the street. I am getting the 3 point next month from a friend. Make sure you do plenty of research BEFORE purchasing parts for your car, especially safety equipment.

[MrChow]

Make sure you do plenty of research BEFORE purchasing parts for your car, especially safety equipment.
+1 Roger that.

That's what I alway do. What I'm doing tires atm. Research research and more of it. You may even save some money or your car. =D

[skylindrftr]

Thanks a bunch for the info everybody.

jilo (http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=46522) - I am running a Recaro Bucket Seat

[jilo]

If your harnesses are tightened properly, you'll see why you don't want to use them on the street.
Their main purpose is to prevent you from moving around the cabin, and do this very well.
Strap yourself into your harness, and tighten it to how you should have it on the track.
Now attempt to operate all your controls, and check you blind spots.
The harness doesn't give you the freedom of movement a seatbelt would.
If it does, you aren't using it correctly.


no i definatley understand how much of a pain in the ass they can be when wearing them, but some people drive fast on the street occasionally. why not wear em. as long as its not around town and stuff, maybe some backroads driving.


skylinrdrftr- if youve got a bucket seat, a regular belt isnt going to work properly anyways. you ought to use the takata's. i tried the regular belt with mine for shits and giggles, definatley not a good idea. if your seat is anything like a sparco sprint, there will be a gap between the belt and you unless you unbolt the belt, thread the lower portion through the left lower belt hole, and snake the buckle through the right lower hole every time you use it. not very fun or practical, and i doubt it would work very well in a rollover as people were concerned about earlier in the thread. also if the concern was about being able to slide sideways in the event of a rollover to maybe dodge the roof, a deep bucket seat isnt going to let you do that anyways. you would probably have to go around the shoulder bolsters first, and end up gettin stabbed in the back by them when things get tight.

[skylindrftr]

well ill just try to not roll my car then =)

[Flipzide]

i know i might be a little late, but i also recommend using either a schroth 4pt or 3pt harness.

I personally run the 3pt harness (attaches to stock belt points and the cpillar) and it works very well, but i still use my stock seatbelts for everyday driving so i won't be hassled by cops.

my friend bought the same type of harness afterwards and uses it everyday and hasn't had problems daily driving with it while being strapped in tight. he uses a wide rear view mirror though. i think its a 400mm broadway, lmfao.