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Frosty_spl
06-07-2007, 05:31 PM
EDIT: I read it wrong somewhere else, it has quadrupled over the past few years.



Aircraft orders put carbon fiber prices in steep climb

By Chris Woodyard, USA TODAY
Booming demand for new jetliners is driving up the cost of carbon fiber, a high-tech material used in products ranging from cars to hockey sticks.
Prices for carbon fiber now run as high as $20 a pound, compared with as little as $5 a pound three or four years ago, says Mike Musselman, managing editor of High Performance Composites magazine. Spot shortages have developed, too. Carbon fiber manufacturers are boosting production, but it may be another year before all the new lines are running.

Carbon fiber is a woven synthetic that, helped by resins, hardens into a solid plastic, stronger yet lighter than many metals.

Lower weight is making Boeing's new 787 jetliner a hit, with 584 on order. Half the weight will be from carbon fiber and other composites in the fuselage, wings and tail that will cut fuel use by up to 20%.

Airbus plans to use carbon-fiber wings on the 787 rival, the A350. Qatar Airways said last week it will boost its A350 orders to 80, an increase of 20.

"Boeing and Airbus are scarfing up what's available," Musselman says. "The rest of the folks get what's left."

Carbon fiber supplier Zoltek has tripled capacity over the past year to service the growing market. "We've been able to raise prices significantly in a two-year time frame," CFO Kevin Schott says.

Where the carbon fiber crunch is showing up:

•Cars and accessories. Specialty sports carmaker Saleen in Irvine, Calif., says the costs of the carbon fiber that it uses in the body of its $580,000 S7 supercar have more than doubled over the past year. It raised the 2007 price by $25,000 because of it.

Illstreet.com, an Internet business that sells carbon fiber car hoods to automotive enthusiasts, has seen costs almost double. It's had to switch to a higher grade of carbon fiber to avoid shortages it faced last year. "It was taking three to four weeks for product to come in," owner Chris Osborne says. He says he hasn't increased prices.

•Bicycles. Bike makers use carbon fiber for lightweight frames. "Without a doubt, they've seen increased prices, but that's been going on for some time," says Megan Tompkins of Bicycle Retailer and Industry News. Trek and Cannondale lined up supply in advance of the crunch and haven't had to raise prices. "We kind of hedged our bet," Trek's Jim Colegrove says.

•Hockey sticks. Easton Sports has tested new carbon fibers over the past few years. Some of the sticks have had "subtle redesigns" to accommodate the new grades of fibers, says Ned Goldsmith, senior vice president. But prices weren't increased, and, "It has been seamless for the customers," he says.

DUFFM4N
06-07-2007, 05:37 PM
no news to me, since ive worked around carbon fiber hoods,lips,spoilers,mirrors, trunks for the last 2 n 1/2 years

charlie a.k.a. chuck
06-07-2007, 07:31 PM
ill stick to fiber glass, cheaper, easier to paint on, and easier to repair.

S13SilviaGirl
06-07-2007, 09:15 PM
Old news. They are talking about the AirBus being built, which has long been out of the yards and flying now.

bamaboy
06-07-2007, 09:34 PM
I heard about this a few years ago. It makes sense.

Frosty_spl
06-07-2007, 09:38 PM
The article just came out today. oh well.

S13SilviaGirl
06-07-2007, 10:21 PM
Wow, USA Today is like USA 3 years ago... :keke:

IIIXziuR
06-07-2007, 10:58 PM
^ hahaha yeah they should totally change their name.

DUFFM4N
06-08-2007, 12:45 AM
Wow, USA Today is like USA 3 years ago... :keke:

seriously...like VH1s "where are they now"...."USA TODAY....in 2003"..they need to wake up :zzz:

exitspeed
06-08-2007, 08:09 AM
Yea this is old news, but still important to this community.

axiomatik
06-08-2007, 12:32 PM
Old news. They are talking about the AirBus being built, which has long been out of the yards and flying now.

Actually, the A350 is currently being developed. You are probably thinking of the A380, which is the super-huge jumbo that flew to the US earlier this year and is about to enter commercial service.

s14dude
06-08-2007, 12:39 PM
Well its new to me eddie!!


Dang i didn't know it has gone up that much. But i see why, a lot of stuff is CF these days..

MURPHY
06-08-2007, 12:42 PM
^WORD my mom has carbon fiber in her neck lol

ThatGuy
06-08-2007, 12:51 PM
The development of the F22 and F35 jets, Comanche helicopter, and V-22 tiltrotor aircraft used up a fair amount. With two of those aircraft approved for full development, the Military is sucking up CF and other composites like crazy.

I work on the V-22. There is so much CF, Kevlar, and Titanium in these things that cars can't even begin to impress me anymore with their use of lightweight materials.
http://www.eustis.army.mil/360/Helicopters/Images/v-22.jpg

exitspeed
06-08-2007, 01:19 PM
That thing would be perfect flying low if there's ever a Zombie attack! What do those run? Does the Gov. take Pay Pal?

tacotacotaco
06-08-2007, 01:24 PM
mmm with miniguns blazing.

ThatGuy
06-08-2007, 01:30 PM
Mel, you might be able to pick one up used for around $70M. :D

S13SilviaGirl
06-08-2007, 08:46 PM
Barry, I agree! The crap the F/A-18's use is so light and compact that these cars look heavy! :keke:

DOOK
06-08-2007, 10:18 PM
Barry, I agree! The crap the F/A-18's use is so light and compact that these cars look heavy! :keke:

ahh yes, but if your car catches on fire you can actually put it out without completely submerging it :D

S14DB
06-09-2007, 12:19 AM
Mel, you might be able to pick one up used for around $70M. :D

I'll wait on the BA609. Should be out before the first de-com.

ThatGuy
06-09-2007, 06:51 AM
ahh yes, but if your car catches on fire you can actually put it out without completely submerging it :D

As long as you get the fire out before the temperature exceeds the flash point of the resins in the composite, you're fine. Once you get past that point, it gets dangerous. We lost an aircraft at an air show in 1991, the fire was so intense, you couldn't get within a 1/4 mile of the crash site. Something in the 7000 degree Fahrenheit range I believe. Fortunately, the pilot walked away from the crash before the fire started. This is the same danger with any composite material.