anyone have fish?

[eastcoastS14]

contemplating getting an aquarium, id love to get salt water maybe a nice reef set up. Considering possibly picking up an octopus too, which would be an octopus no fish because they would all end up as dinner:keke: but wondering if anyone owns or has owned an aquarium, how you liked it, how much maintenance was required all stuff like that. The only thing thats steering me away from it at this point is that Im still in college so Im not always home

[Howard92884]

Stay away from salt water, that shit gets expensive as fuck. My friend had one and said it wasn't worth it, have to let the coral grow for about a month before you put any fish in, gets real dirty. Stick with fresh water, I had a 40 gallon tank with cichlids all set up for like 250 bucks.

[eastcoastS14]

yeah thats why I was thinking about getting an octopus, no coral just rocks and caves and shit and the only other thing in the tank is whatever they eat....I need to get more info on salt water, the fish are relatively cheap but im sure theres a whole lot of hidden costs I dont even know about, I might get fresh water but I really want a salt water

[Howard92884]

http://www.fishlore.com/SaltwaterAquariumSetup.htm

Check this site out, tells you how to set it up and has lots of links. There are probably better sites but this is the first one I found.

Edit: If your a baller you should just get one of these and be done.

http://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11_03/product_info.php?products_id=1725&parent_category=4&category_search=61&root_parent_id=4

[BustedS13]

i've done both saltwater and freshwater tanks. saltwater tanks are killer just because of the AMAZING looking fish you can have in there. but they are infinitely more work. with a tropical freshwater tank, you just toss in some fish and you're done. you really have to work at it to kill freshwater fish. usually it's just them killing each other, or you get a sick one and it fucks them all up. but if you have healthy, docile fish, it's super hard to get them to die. saltwater, though... if you so much as look at them funny, it's time to get out the net.

if you're in college, and have a lot of shit going on, and/or don't want to devote a substantial amount of time to a tank, just go freshwater. there's still some pretty exotic looking fish you can get, and there's barely any maintenance. a good filter and a couple algae eaters will do like 99% of your work for you.

[WERDdabuilder]

im stuck between doing a freshwater fish tank and getting a red eared slider turtle and make a dope setup.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Fuck all that, get 2 clear bowls. One smaller than the other so you can stick the small one in the middle. Throw some rocks on the bottom and get 2 male betas, 1 in each bowl. Enjoy watching them get pissed off at each other all day long for every day till they die. The wife made this for our old roomies before we left the states.

[bluepanda523]

definetly dont get salt water ... its a pain in the ass to take care of
I recomend arwanas or oscars. but betas are pretty awesome too.

[vanish1]

salt water tanks arent that big of a pain of the ass.

Just have to make to sure that your salinity lvls are constant, you change out 1/2 the water every month, mix your own salt water, and like most ecological systems you have to make sure you pick the right # and the right fish to put into your tank.

Salt water PWNS fresh really hard.

[Howard92884]

You after looking at all the salt water fish forums and sites, I am really wanting a salt water tank now. 150 gallon FTW!

[drifting_changed_mylife]

my mom wanted to have a salt water tank and she paid out the ass for it and when it was time to put the fish in (1 50$ lion fish, and about 200 bucks on other fish and reefs, they are pretty cool tho) they lasted 2 days before the were belly up! do ur research

[drifting_changed_mylife]

oh crap!! u know what i still have all the stuff, (200$ filters and stuff) if u want i can maybe get it to yah.. save you some money

[SNC240SX]

I have never tried salt water but for that eel i might...
Right now i have a fresh water tank with one koi that ive had for 4 years. Hes about a foot long now and attacks when anyone gets close to the tank. He also killed all the other fish ive put in with him.
For the baller factor going with salt is awesome. But if your a student whos not gonna be home all the time its much easier to get a fresh water tank. Then when your done with college and have more time step it up to Salt water.

[kingkilburn]

i have done both marine and fresh water. if i set up another tank it would be a salt water tank. its not to hard to do. the main thing is giving the tank time to set up its own little ecosystem and picking the right fish. most people want to jump right in to lion fish and trigger fish and things like that but those are hard fish to keep under any circumstances. you have to start slow with 3 to 15 dollar fish, then move up in price and difficulty. make sure you know how aggressive a fish will be to others. for example the lion fish will eat any thing it can fit in its mouth, or the trigger fish could bite your finger off when it gets big enough.

i guess its like any thing else you put big money into. you have to do your research first.

oh, and don't let any one fool you, its near impossible to keep a happy shark or keep an octopus in an aquarium.



also eels are pretty easy for an exotic fish. the just kinda sit there looking mean.

[eastcoastS14]

yeah im thinkin an octopus would be pretty bad ass but you have to secure the top of the tank or else theyll escape

[S14monkey]

ive been keeping salt water fish for about 3 years or so. Its not as hard as people make it out to be, as long as you do the research and ask a lot of questions you should be fine.

Something to keep in mind is larger salt water aquariums typically do better than smaller ones because water parameters are slower to change. Unless you are an experienced hobbyist and know what your doing. i started with a small tank and i went through a lot of growing pains with it till i started to get the hang of it.

One huge piece of advice is to find a local fish store and ask questions. Every question you could think of, cuz most of them will be glad to help get you started.

Octopus are hard to keep, and all the ones i have seen being sold at my local fish store were about the size of an egg. Eels are bad ass, the fish store i frequent had a huge tank with like 4 eels in it, and watching those things eat was pretty damn cool.

[civilized_drifter]

i like freshwater cause i had pirannahs, but they died

[Bubba]

I used to have a saltwater tank until I moved from the old house. I spent day and night looking at the fish in it, and cleaning this and that while checking salinity levels and Ph. The saltwater tank owns any freshwater setup I had ever run across. I didn't mind the extra maintenence because I really liked animals and shit to begin with. The end result was amazing though, until the Lion Fish got bigger and hungrier. He ate a house payment in 20 minutes. Other than that I loved the saltwater setup. BUT-- If you are not on top of your shit, everything will die... Good luck with your choice.

[SilvStylin45s]

When it comes to saltwater, the bigger you go the easier it is to maintain. If you get a small 20-29 gallon tank it will be hard to stay on top of it. If you go bigger like a 45-55 gal. you can slack a little (for a week) For freshwater its very easy to stay on top of. I have 1 55 gallon and 1 29 gallon freshwater, along with my big 55 gallon hexagon tank. I also have 5 small 10 gallon tanks with a betta in each. Its alot of fun and rather relaxing once you get it right.

[HellonFire]

Saltwater is incredible.

Let me see if I can dig up a picture of my old 75 Gallon.

You will have a lot of learning to do to begin with. What you can do is get the tank, set everything up, get a good skimmer etc, and get some liverock. Then let the tank cycle while you read everything you can for a month.

After that, you will be able to take care of, and grow your tank.

Tyler

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y251/MyCockerIs4U2NV/Now2.jpg

[HellonFire]

Oh, don't mind that rack in the middle. That was before we built our propagation tank.

Tyler

[azndoc]

Saltwater tanks is stupid expensive. I know my mom used to have them in the resturant we owned and it costed us like $300 a week for the guy to come and take care of them.

I don't own fishes anymore because I killed too many as a youngster.

I still want some though.

GL with you decision.

[HellonFire]

Thats becuase the guy charged you out the ass.

They are expensive to setup, but not that expensive to maintain.

You will obviously have a rise in Elec. and Water bills.

But other then that, a bucket of salt ($60) will last you months. And food is pretty cheap.

Keeping the Calcium and other levels stable will become easier and easier as the tank matures.

The problem I see with most tanks in stores is people are not aware of how much work it takes. And just want to have something pretty. Then they end up not taking care of them.

Tyler

[PhilthyS13]

I had both and I definitely enjoyed saltwater better. You can get all sorts of cool fish. Size doesn't really matter, you just need to stick to the ratio of roughly 1 square inch of fish per gallon. Freshwater you can cram tons of fish in a tank, but saltwater needs more balance.

You will definitely need lots of patience because a dieoff can happen any time. And you should slowly add things, so you don't shock the system. Once you get things started, keep up on your water changes. And don't lose your specific gravity meter.

Kingkilburn is right: start with 3 dollar damsels to start the cycle. They are very hardy and come in some pretty cool colors: dominos, yellowtails, 3 or 4 stripes. They're cheap and tough. Then if you get predatory fish, they will get eaten.

I had an eel and all he did was eat an expensive clown that was like 5 times as big as his head (I'm still wondering how he did it). If you do get an eel, the one I had hid out during the day and came out at night when no one was around and tried to commit suicide, so make sure your tank is covered. They will also try to eat everything.

Can you even keep octopi? If they get scared won't they cloud the tank with ink, suffocating themselves?

I started off ghetto style with my dad's old 30 gal, some crappy charcoal filter and two powerheads running undergravel. Eventually I went up to 55 with a wet/dry system. I was pretty sucessful and got a bunch of mushrooms going and a lion that grew into a monster. He ate 2 bucks of large goldfish every other day. I also got a dwarf lion I called minime. But all the fish died during a move. I moved back home, so I gave away all my rocks. Now my tank is home to a Brazilian Rainbow Boa. I'm going to start another tank once I buy a house, because moving that stuff is a major PITA and being a renter is not ideal for having a large tank.

Just be sure to read up or ask someone in the know. I was lucky enough to have two guys in my house who were my main resource (this was 1998, so the internet wasn't what it is today).

It's kinda like cars, you learn more by doing stuff yourself.

[HellonFire]

Don't use Damsels to cycle your tank.

I hate people that do that. They will either die, or you will not want them once your tank is cycled because they are very aggressive.

How hypocritical to kill a fish to start a tank if you are thinking about keeping them as a hobby!

All you have to do is use Live rock. Pick up some good stuff from a Fish Store, or someone elses tank you know. All you need is 5lbs or so. The worms and stuff from the rock will die and give off the ammonia your tank needs to cycle.

Tyler

[HellonFire]

And also, reefcentral.com is a good forum.

Tyler

[kingkilburn]

Damsels are fine as long as you don't get black and white ones. the blue and yellows in my experience are a lot less aggressive. You can also use clown fish or yellow tangs but they are a little expensive if they end up dyeing.

also about the octopus, they are very intelligent so they like to go out and explore. i bet you can see where that would leed them. they also eat every thing. it would take a dedicated tank geared for the octopus to keep it happy and healthy.

[HellonFire]

Right, but even then why not just use Live Rock. Doesn't have a chance of killing the fish...

Tyler

[eastcoastS14]

yeah i might start with something smaller

as for the octopus you need a 125gal minimum for it and supposedly they grow to about 2-3ft

[HellonFire]

75G is a good starter tank. 55 and under and you will get bored of it quickly and run out of room.

Plus, the bigger you get, the more stable it will become.

Tyler

[BustedS13]

guys, you seem to have substantial saltwater experience. what's the deal with live rock? from the sounds of it, it's rock that has broken off of reefs, that's loaded with live shit? what do you do when you wind up with a tank full of little mushrooms and crabs and bullshit that you didn't plan on?

[SNC240SX]

This is cool we have some wise fish tank Gurus here at zilvia.

[Howard92884]

Do you have to cure the Live Rock if your tank is cycling for the first time?

[HellonFire]

guys, you seem to have substantial saltwater experience. what's the deal with live rock? from the sounds of it, it's rock that has broken off of reefs, that's loaded with live shit? what do you do when you wind up with a tank full of little mushrooms and crabs and bullshit that you didn't plan on?

Your correct on where it comes from. But in reality, most of the live rock you will purchase will not have tons of crabs, mushrooms, etc on it. It mostly just has microscopic life on it. The algae that is purple that you can see is called corraline algae.

And the purpose of live rock is it is the best biological filter. Its like the soil is for processing waste.

If you do however end up with stuff on your live rock, most welcome it. Just extra little goodies that you may have never had if they didn't hop aboard your rock.

No, you don't cure the rock if your cycling your tank. It will happen at the same time. But if you are adding rock to an existing tank, then you need to. UNLESS you can get it from a local tank, and get it in within the hour I would say. And not too much of it. Too much added rock at one time can shock your tank into another cycle.

Tyler

[eastcoastS14]

so if I started with a 75gal how hard would it be to transfer things to a bigger tank down the road?

[HellonFire]

Very easy. You could have everything transferred over in a day.

Tyler

[Andrew Bohan]

i have 4 goldfish

2 of them turned into whitefish

[Baka Sama]

I had many freshwater tanks growning up and even now i have a 60 gallon tank in the living room. My next tank will be salt water. Fresh water just isnt fun anymore. Its like owning a vette and switching to an exotic. Yeah its more work and more expensive but well worth it! And now you can buy pre made salt water for your tank cheap!

[HellonFire]

Don't buy that premade saltwater. Its like buying 50/50 Antifreeze. You pay more for less.

Tyler

[Baka Sama]

well its good if you have a smaller tank i think. im actually on the look out for a new tank. You got one layin around hellonfire for the cheap :naughty:

[Dousan_PG]

where's maeda/ he's a real do it yourselfer
shits awesome

[Maeda]

Here I am rock you like a hurricane dude-san :p

My current setup. 24 gallons.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Maeda/Project24/P1000079.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Maeda/Project24/P1000070.jpg

My old tank. 8 gallons.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Maeda/Super8/DSC03034.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Maeda/Super8/DSC03022.jpg

Old Betta Tank. 3 Gallons
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Maeda/DSC03649.jpg

Old Planted Tank 30 Gallons
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Maeda/Aquarium/DSC02444.jpg

The g/f's tank. 20g freshwater.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/deniseka/DSC04050.jpg

I think aquariums are a great hobby. WAY BETTER THEN CARS! :D I really enjoy building the equiptment and taking care of the fish & corals. Prepare to spend around 3-400$ for a serious FW tank, and 1000$ for a really serious reef tank(thats about how much mine cost to build and run... yup wayyy cheaper then cars!). Don't ever ever half-ass anything in aquariums. Cars is a different story, in aquariums there are lives at stake.

If anybody wants more help just hop on reeftuners.com or nano-reef.com and PM me.

Yes to those of you that remember me I still have a sweet car.... its comming soon.

[HellonFire]

Looks nice! I love cubes.

And sorry man, I moved about a year ago and had no way of getting my 75G setup in my apartment instead of the house that I had before. It all was sold. I just moved back into a house though so I'll have one setup eventually.

Tyler

[Baka Sama]

Maeda, where did u get that 24gallon cube? Picture makes it look alot bigger but thats a nice size for small fish

[Maeda]

I get every tank I own custom made except for the 30g FW tank, and the 3 gallon.

30g was my first tank and i didn't really know what i was doing so i bought a tank.

The 3 gallon tank i won in a contest.

[Baka Sama]

That black coral is the hottness . Has anyone own the over flowing style reef tank? now that look nice

[HellonFire]

What do you mean overflowing? All reef tanks have an overflow.

Tyler

[WERDdabuilder]

this is my mock up of what ima be working on soon.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/drewdabuilder/misc%20pics/tank.jpg?t=1181285760p

the bottom will have real plants like the ones Maeda has in his freshwater tanks.

im have my mind set on a Seaclear Aquarium. http://www.fishtankwarehouse.com/images/products/small/CFL003.jpg
acrylic baby.

edit: not sure why photo isnt coming up.

[BC240]

I got a 50L freshwater tank.. Nothing brightens up a room like a fish tank, it really adds warmth. Great hobby and not to expensive for the returns.

[TipStylez]

I only fuck with monsters.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/TipStylez/Aquarium%20Related/STA71190.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/TipStylez/Aquarium%20Related/IMG_2902.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/TipStylez/Aquarium%20Related/IMG_2972.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/TipStylez/Aquarium%20Related/STA71177.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/TipStylez/Aquarium%20Related/STA71106.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/TipStylez/Aquarium%20Related/IMG_2894.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/TipStylez/Aquarium%20Related/STA71195.jpg


I dont want to list the fish i have...its a HUGE list. 70% of the fish i have are not pictured above.

But yeah, if your gonna go with freshwater. Im your man. Im a freshwater specialist =]

[S14monkey]

Maeda - your tanks look awsome. Are those custom tanks expensive to have made? I love the boxy shape of your tanks and someday would like to own one on a much larger scale. The boxy shape gives you a lot of depth to create nicer rock formations instead of a long wall of rock. Kind of like the one found on www.oregonreef.com. This guys tank is so deep that it give off the illusion that it is endless when viewed from the front.

[Howard92884]

TipStylez, are those yellow perch??

[TipStylez]

Nope.

Peacock Bass.


I have two other species of peacock bass thats more rare to find in a grow out tank right now. Cause they are too small to be put into the big tank with the big guys. Or their food. haha


Im thinking of starting up a cold water perch or bass tank. And just go fishing and bring some home haha.

[ihatecfinch]

I've had both and there is nothing like watching a bunch of pihranna rip apart a piece of bacon... I had a catfish I got from a lake and he was small and eating all the fish in the tank so I bought 10 pihranna to kill him and the catfish ate all the pihranna one at a time and I've been to busy/lazy to do anything about it. Fish are only cool when you get to watch them rip each other apart. The fish I'm watching die are damn expensive tho...

[Matej]

Don't buy that premade saltwater. Its like buying 50/50 Antifreeze. You pay more for less.

Tyler
Hey, I love 50/50 antifreeze, it's about convenience. :)

[The Chad]

I went a mild brackish route with a mix of tropicals. The brackish was for my Dwarf Puffers. They are the coolest fish, def have a lot of personality, allways come to the front of the tank and stare at you when anyone gets close. And they puff up before they eat any of the snails i have in the tank. Makes me happy anyways.

But i could def see how teh octopus would be cool. Just as everyone else said though saltwater is very expensive to keep up with. But equally as fun if you have the time and money!! :)

[full house]

I have 3 gold fish and planning to buy a turtle!

the thread is about fish.

Maybe they don't fish in their house.

[birdhou53]

When i lived in Singapore I used to keep TONS of salt water and fresh water fish. But that's cause salt water fishes and stuff were really cheap. Same with the live rock.

I had a tank that was 6 ft x 2ft x 2.5 ft. We kept mostly exotic predatory type of fish such as the Lion Fish (really cool). Morray Eel (dont ever get them, they dirty the hell out of your tank when they eat). I also had a blue spotted stingray which was pretty cool.

The nice thing about predatory fish is that you can throw in mini frogs or just buy a bunch of fresh water fish for $1. And watch them eat the fish. :) It was pretty cool.

And to the guy who wanted an Octopus, i'd recommend keeping that in a small tank on it's own. They are very shy creatures and when you feed them, you have to use a stick to put the food near them. Also, you won't see them swimming around a lot.

Saltwater definitely owns but it is a lot more costly in terms of buying the salt water, live rocks, good filtration, making sure the tank is the right temperature (colded the better), and you also need good lighting for the daytime and for the nighttime.

However, I didn't bother to do it here in Canada because fish are so damn expensive! A clown fish is like $30. They cost $3 in Singapore.

If you want to go with freshwater, I'd recommend getting an Aligator Gar (Long nosed gar) or an Arrowana, those fish are predatory and are pretty fun to watch. :)

Good luck!

[s14dude]

i have a 50 gallon freshwater with african ciclids that are so aggressive!! ill post some pix up when i get home.


i love my fishies!!

[axiomatik]

this is definitely a cool thread. I have been wanting to setup an aquarium for a few years now, but have never gotten around to it. I did a bunch of research about 2 years ago, but now I am waiting at least another year since I am planning on moving and don't want to have to move the tank. I'd love to have a salt water setup, but I think I'm going to start with a tropical freshwater system. I haven't kept fish since I was 10 (just goldfish), so I don't want to invest too much money and see it all go belly up. Later, after I'm more comfortable with my abilities, I'll start a saltwater system.

[Maeda]

Maeda - your tanks look awsome. Are those custom tanks expensive to have made? I love the boxy shape of your tanks and someday would like to own one on a much larger scale. The boxy shape gives you a lot of depth to create nicer rock formations instead of a long wall of rock. Kind of like the one found on www.oregonreef.com. This guys tank is so deep that it give off the illusion that it is endless when viewed from the front.

If you get the tanks made from glass, and do the math so that you use thicker glass so you can remove the top bracing, it'll be cheap. I think the most i've paid for a tank thus far is 140$.

[TipStylez]

Or if your lazy. Go to GlassCages.com

They make real nice custom tanks and their HUGE ones are cheaper then most of the same sized tanks out there.

[delphis]

I have a small 10 gallon tank that I had a beta and neon tetras white clouds and zebra fish in, but it got to hot one day and fried the tank. :o( now there is currently nothing in there. I Have 2 oscars in a 135 gallon tank and I love those guys. I used to have them in a 55 gallon tank and they just didn't really like being in there too much and I did the swap in about an hour with my roomate helping me. We just pulled almost all of the water from the old tank into buckets, took the old tank down, put the new tank up started to put the old water in the new tank and then just filled the rest with new water. very easy to upgrade a freshwater tank if you don't have live plants. I can't have live plants with my oscars because they just enjoy ripping them out of the rock and tearing them apart. I really want to turn my 55 gallon into a really lush planted tank after I move because I love the look of the planted tanks.

If you look around long enough I got my 135 gallon tank with light stand and filter (fluval canister filter) for 250 off of craigslist the trick is to keep checking everday until you find the tank you like.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/DjMirinda/IMAGE_00263.jpg

[Baka Sama]

What do you mean overflowing? All reef tanks have an overflow.

Tyler

I cant remember where I saw it but it was a tank where water overflowed off all 4 sides and then filtered back into the aquarium. Like if you would put your finger on the glass, water would steam around it. Does anyone know where I can find it? :hs:

[kingkilburn]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/kingkilburn/MVC-001F.jpg
this is only about half my tank.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/kingkilburn/MVC-004F.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/kingkilburn/MVC-003F.jpg
the bubble corral is about the size of a soft ball when fully expanded

[Maeda]

Or if your lazy. Go to GlassCages.com

They make real nice custom tanks and their HUGE ones are cheaper then most of the same sized tanks out there.

glasscages makes trash. go look up some pics of their 'work.' :\ pretty shotty for me.

[TipStylez]

All the people i know that uses their stuff for 1-500gal tanks for big fish dosnt really care about the looks. Just aslong as it holds water and is HUGE.

I understand what you mean by "they look like crap". But nothing like a canopy and a stand frame wont fix that. haha

[HellonFire]

I cant remember where I saw it but it was a tank where water overflowed off all 4 sides and then filtered back into the aquarium. Like if you would put your finger on the glass, water would steam around it. Does anyone know where I can find it? :hs:

No clue man. But that wouldn't be too good anyways. You wouldn't be able to see in the tank very well?

Tyler

[Baka Sama]

Found it^

For the real ballers.

ZeroEdge Aquariums - "Experience the new Hi-Def of Aquariums"

http://www.zeroedgeaquarium.com/index.html
The patent pending design of the ZeroEdge is amazing to say the least. It tips the scale with a major WOW factor. If you’ve ever seen one, you would have to agree. The reason…the water overflows the sides of the aquarium into a channel, which surrounds the aquarium. The water flows through this channel into a drain located in the back of the aquarium and down into the sump or bio-filter which sits below the tank under the stand. The industry first Integrated Drain Assembly (patent pending) used on the Compact Series only requires you to set the aquarium on the cabinet stand and the drain connection is complete. The rest of the ZeroEdge series tanks use oversized 2” drainpipes allowing maximum flow. This streamlined plumbing design eliminates leaking bulkheads and drain hoses ensuring years of worry free service. Apart from being easy to set up you will find the draining to be amazingly quiet. Its gentle channeling of water to the sump also cuts down on evaporation. There is no splashing or fizzy bubbles typically found in standard aquariums because there are no drain lines to sumps and messy return lines that agitate the surface water. The result is a crystal clear, glass like look surface.
http://www.zeroedgeaquarium.com/Pictures/22zR.jpg
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/5/sponsor_album/image001.jpg/variant/medium

[jrocslider]

damn that is a badass lookin tank... says sumthin about better for just clams and coral or sumthin but those are super expensive from like $900 and up $,$$$

[theicecreamdan]

Can you even keep octopi?
Proper plural form is octopussies. Really it is.

[TipStylez]

That tank is badass...

[BustedS13]

Found it^

For the real ballers.

ZeroEdge Aquariums - "Experience the new Hi-Def of Aquariums"

http://www.zeroedgeaquarium.com/index.html

http://www.zeroedgeaquarium.com/Pictures/22zR.jpg
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/5/sponsor_album/image001.jpg/variant/medium

you'd have to clean the sides, inside and out, all the time with that thing... i can't imagine the salt buildup. also, is there any prevention built in to keep things from suiciding out the top?