sr20 installation

[eamonj25]

Does anyone know how much it costs to install a s13, s14, or s15 engine? If you could tell me the installation price for all three, I would be very happy, thanks.

[SR20Fastback]

for the S13 and S14 engines, they should both be around 1000 for an install. The S15 is a little trickier, and might cost a bit more. Mostly for sourcing parts.... look at around 1500 or so maybe more maybe less.

[uiuc240]

Heavy Throttle (http://www.srswap.com)

[eamonj25]

really... that expensive, that is almost as much as the engine itself!!

[uiuc240]

well, then install it yourself.  things you will need are:

lots of tools
air tank/compressor
air tools (for stubborn bolts)
engine hoist
wiring tools/wire/crimps
garage space
time

if you have all these things at your disposal, go for it. &nbsp;or, try to do the install without them, and see why people pay $1000 to have it done &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

Eric

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Aug. 14 2002,2:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, then install it yourself. things you will need are:

lots of tools
air tank/compressor
air tools (for stubborn bolts)
engine hoist
wiring tools/wire/crimps
garage space
time

if you have all these things at your disposal, go for it. or, try to do the install without them, and see why people pay $1000 to have it done <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Exactly...

Its worth the money, wiring alone is a bitch (well to someone whos wire-illeterate like me) Do you really want your car to have a down time of a month, instead of 4-5 days?

[eamonj25]

Good point, but now I have to save another grand!!!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[eamonj25]

O yea... for the engine conversion, all i need is the fornt clip right, nothing else?

[One-Eighty SX]

pretty much expect ull need boost controller, timer, Some gauges to read ur engine output... new clutch and flywheel is most likely needed...BOV, Downpipe, Exhaust. That is pretty much u need rhye now unless u need FMIC if ur SMIC isnt wid the clip

[BEISSEN]

Ok unstable hybrids will doa n installon a s14 i belive or the s13 sr20 for 4080.00 that include everything but only sets you up for 7 psi.Then if you want something like fmic,boost controler,blow off valve, etc.... then you add for each thing or go stock and then add the rest yourself.OR send yor ka clip with your sr clip and send it to heavey throttla nd pay 250.00 for a s14 and 200.00 for a s13 wireing harness to be redone for you and then sent back to you for plug and go access.But putting the engine in the fun part.

[eamonj25]

Are all those things extra products I would need to buy, other than the front clip? How much would all those things cost? What is included in the front clip?

[eamonj25]

I just calculated the price of the front clip, front end s15 conversion, and all the things you guys said was needed, including:

SR20DET 3” downpipe
Upgraded Walbro fuel pump
Performance Clutch Kit
Cone style intake filter with MAFS adapter
Intercooler Kit
Hot Pipe for IC kit
BOV or recirculating valve
Electric Fans and thermostat
Low Profile battery or Trunk Relocation kit
Fluids, belts and hoses

for over $8,000, including labor... is this true, is this how much it normally costs, I was suprised...
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> I need to save ALOT more money... I thought front end convrsion, and everything needed for engine swap would come to $5500!

If this is how much it costs, I will just do the front end conversion, and put a turbo on it... too much hassle!!! what do you guys think &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[DriftAwaySilvia]

Yeah i once had that same question run across my mind once, should i go engine or front conversion? &nbsp;That age old question of performance or looks. &nbsp;While looks might be cool to the people around you who don't know didly squat about cars and performance, that having a body kit and neon lights will get the chicks, if thats what you want go for it. &nbsp;But if you want to be respected for your ability to actually know cars and be able to tune them, then go for the engine. &nbsp;I respect a guy a lot more if he were to have a peice of shit thats fast as hell then a "G'd up" ride thats pumping 115 hp (no reference to civics). &nbsp;But go with what you care about most, there are different paths, show or go, and if you have enough money you can have both. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[eamonj25]

I am diffenetly going to do somehting to the engine... either swap... which is seeming REALLY expensive, or turbo... I will diffenetly do the front end conversion tooo... I think what looks best now is turbo, and front end conversion... does anyone know how much a good turbo for 240sx costs and what it is... also what is needed for turbo.... BOV, intercooler etc. Could someone tell me how much the total of all the stuff needed for turbo is... and how much the stuff needed for sr20 swap... THANKS!!!

i like doing this "....." <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[NervGS]

Dude...

Turbo costs just as much as an SR swap, and you definatly do NOT want to go cheap on turbo install, especially on a engine you've been running for a while... Especially with injector, ecu, etc...

Oh yeah, turbo kit can cost anywhere from $4,000+ with parts and GOOD installer...

What you do is up to you, just study up on this stuff... &nbsp;No offense, but it sounds as if you are still new to all this?

-glenn

[SR20Fastback]

my swap will be done for under 4 grand, and thats with the hks type gt intercooler. (cutting corners in the RIGHT places will save you a lot)

[eamonj25]

How will it be under 4 grand? The engine alone is 2,500, and all things you would need is another 2 grand, and installation is 1... comes to about 7 grand! How much are you getting the front clip for? Which front clip? How did you cut corners? and I am kinda new at the 240sx "scene", I like the 240 cause it has style and speed (after swap). Could someone guide me please, like where to get a cheap, but good front clip, which parts needed, and for cheap, and installation prices. Finally, could the people who have already done the swap tell me how much it came to, total, thanks ALOT!

[Sil80girlie]

It would also be a good idea to have some extra $$ incase something goes wrong (if you can imagine being able to save more than 8k..lol). &nbsp;I've had to buy a few "replacement" parts that were unexpected. &nbsp;I've spent WELL over 8k, and my bf and I did all of the installing, and there's alot I still don't have (boost controller, exhaust, brakes, test pipe, etc) &nbsp;Plus, I got an "ok" deal on the s15 headlights/conversion pieces. &nbsp;Definitely plan on more than 8k though, if you want to do it right....

[Duo]

Jeez...another one.

There is a lot of info on the internet. &nbsp;You should look up some knowledgable sites (ie. http://www.heavythrottle.com)
and figure out what you want to do. &nbsp;Then do your own math. &nbsp;

I hate it when people ask questions like this with so many variables and opinions instead of doing the research themselves.

[eamonj25]

Actually, I did research if you read, and I came with a total... I was just checking to see if it sounded accuratte. I was looking for a turbo for 240sx I found a Nsport Turbo kit, has anyone ever had experience with that? It costs 3,500.

Click to see turbo kit, scroll down (http://home.earthlink.net/~j240sxna/groupdealsponsor/performance/performance.html)

[240 2NR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (eamonj25 @ Aug. 15 2002,2:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually, I did research if you read, and I came with a total... I was just checking to see if it sounded accuratte. I was looking for a turbo for 240sx I found a Nsport Turbo kit, has anyone ever had experience with that? It costs 3,500.

Click to see turbo kit, scroll down (http://home.earthlink.net/~j240sxna/groupdealsponsor/performance/performance.html)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Did you do an "Nsport" search? &nbsp;

I did. &nbsp;How's 4 pages worth of threads sound? &nbsp;Seriously, read more, post less.

http://www.zilvia.net/f....3ec0443 (http://www.zilvia.net/f/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=Search&CODE=02&SID=3d5c05ff13ec0443)

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (eamonj25 @ Aug. 15 2002,12:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How will it be under 4 grand? The engine alone is 2,500, and all things you would need is another 2 grand, and installation is 1... comes to about 7 grand! How much are you getting the front clip for? Which front clip? How did you cut corners? and I am kinda new at the 240sx "scene", I like the 240 cause it has style and speed (after swap). Could someone guide me please, like where to get a cheap, but good front clip, which parts needed, and for cheap, and installation prices. Finally, could the people who have already done the swap tell me how much it came to, total, thanks ALOT!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well to answer your question shortly.... Im cutting corners... very carefully &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Well first off, Im not getting a front clip. To much hassel for my taste. Im getting the red top alone. Im also getting one w/o the stock sidemount intercooler to save a couple hundred more even. The engine itself will be around 1700-2000. Installation will be under a grand for me (I became pretty good friends with the people that usually work on my car). Im getting parts pretty cheap, not paying shipping, and getting below retail prices. Try to become friends with the right people, or get a business license that allows you to get wholesalre prices on parts. Then take an auto tech course and learn to install it yourself. You'll basicly only be paying full price for the engine. I just started buying the things I will need for the car... turbo timer today... gauges, tach, and speedometeer next week.

[Jim96SC2]

damn dude, where you getting your SR from?!

[SR20Fastback]

Im ordering it through this local place called Stage Tunning Garage, they're out of Kirkland Washington.

[sr20mofo]

dude theres tons and tons of red clips out there for average the price of 1500... red tops arent as valueble as they were 5yrs ago...(paid 6000 for mine back then) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> anyhoot if i was u i would go with the black top to avoid high miles and olderparts that are likely to be replace <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[SR20Fastback]

Ahhh yes this has crossed my mind too. I like some of the features of the red top better than the black (although id rather have a T28) I think Im going to replace a lot of parts that will eventually fail when the engine goes in.... probably just do a good tune up and throw a new starter and clutch flywheel and shit in. Anyone know what starter works with this engine while we're on it??

[ruf]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ Aug. 16 2002,2:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I like some of the features of the red top better than the black (although id rather have a T28)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The S13 "blacktop" comes with the same T25 as the redtop. I hope you mean that you would rather buy a T28 turbo rather than spend the extra money for a blacktop.

[SR20Fastback]

iirc the red and black top from the S13 are almost identical, but the S14 black top had the T28 and vvt? or vvt was an option.

[240 2NR]

VTC, and it was standard. The head design was different as well and was just recently talked about. It's part of the reason with the same boost and a bigger turbo that the S14 motor made marginally more power with the same torque, the head doesn't flow as well as the S13's did.

VTC was also only a timing device. It is not like VTEC or VVT-i (or whatever toyota uses) which also have variable valve lift and duration..

[SR20Fastback]

Oh, so thats the reason the torque stayed the same through the S13, S14, and S15 but the hp increased? Never knew that, thanks man.

[ruf]

Yup. The S14/15 engines come with a T28. "Blacktop" typically only refers to S13 engines since ALL S14/15 engines have a black valvecover.

[Jim96SC2]

What company has a redtop for 1500?! Are they reputable?! Cause the nearest I've seen for a redtop is 1900 for a small yahoo.com business. I was gonna go with Heavy Throttle but if you can find me a company thats as good as HT I'll have it on order in 2 weeks (not kidding either).