John Rambo

[theronin]

http://www.aintitcool.com/multimedia/AICN-JOHN-RAMBO2.mov

:)

[EvilRB]

That was the most violent trailer I have ever seen!!!


And I loved it!!!!

see thats how you knife a guy....with a machete and taking his whole head off!!!

AWESOME!

[exitspeed]

Here's a link to it on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx6i090FGzQ

And yes, that is the most violent trailer I've ever seen. It looks a little over the top IMO. The part when he shoots that guy with the Jeep mounted gun point blank...Holy crap. It was like clicking on Rotten.com.

[Sami7]

i'm new here, been lurking for a few days, i watched this last night and its fucking awesome! he didn't just choke a guy, he ripped out his throat.

[swift_style]

This is going to be freaken awesome! Btw, where did you watch this at Sami7??

[ThatGuy]

Wow, by the trailer it does look as if they pushed it too far. But damn, point blank with a .50 was pretty friggin cool!

p.s. Does Sly look a little pudgy to anyone else?

[ZX88]

Wow, by the trailer it does look as if they pushed it too far. But damn, point blank with a .50 was pretty friggin cool!

p.s. Does Sly look a little pudgy to anyone else?

its all that plastic surgery after rocky he probably needed it.

[exitspeed]

p.s. Does Sly look a little pudgy to anyone else?

Yea he looked a little odd-ish to me.

I just watched First Blood over the weekend and he sure doesn't look like he did 30 years ago.

[Phlip]

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['90RPS13]

Video thread? Naww, were to cool for that. haha.

[Sami7]

This is going to be freaken awesome! Btw, where did you watch this at Sami7??
I was surfing the net last night looking for some information, stumbled across an article so i just youtubed it.

[steve shadows]

fuck yeah :bigok:

[theronin]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=1382933&postcount=497
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rambo deserves his own thread.

[IIIXziuR]

Wow that was intense, that was like the DOOM video game, berserker mode turning people into pieces of meat. This looks too much like the 2nd Rambo film but not too bad. The first one was probablly the best storywise.

And yeah I wish Stallone still had his tappered lean look from the 80s, he bulked up like crazy and his face look so Botoxed up now.

[s13gold]

cant wait to see this one.

[Sami7]

nothing will ever be better than first blood, but im looking forward to some good ole fashion gore and carnage.

[BC240]

Did he punch someones fucking head off?? hahahah, I cannot wait for this movie to come out. If he looks odd thats probably the human growth hormone and shit hes been taking..

[Sami7]

Did he punch someones fucking head off?? hahahah, I cannot wait for this movie to come out. If he looks odd thats probably the human growth hormone and shit hes been taking..
You mean horse piss? i mean... steroids.

[ixfxi]

who cares how stallone looks? "i wish he was 30 again... he was SO handsome!"

so GAY.. really.

regardless, i love the preview.. looks badassed! i want to see explosions, death, and more explosions. awesome.. just awesome.

[ThatGuy]

Did he punch someones fucking head off??

He had a machete. It's kinda like a knife, only bigger. Typically it is used for cutting vines and small trees that may block your path, but may be used from time to time to remove the limbs and heads of miscreants and evildoers.

[kdashy]

That was way violent.






Cool.

[azndoc]

Damn that was pretty violent

I love it

[jeeper_x]

.....he's just too fat now

[exitspeed]

He had a machete. It's kinda like a knife, only bigger. Typically it is used for cutting vines and small trees that may block your path, but may be used from time to time to remove the limbs and heads of miscreants and evildoers.

Especially if you like wearing a mask and walking around all slow like.

[exitspeed]

New movie poster. Poster sure is cool.

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/827/827933/rambo-20071018113239560.jpg

[azndoc]

DOpe.....

Can't wait.

Putting it down on my calender now.

[kyoru]

New movie poster. Poster sure is cool.

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/827/827933/rambo-20071018113239560.jpg

most gangster movie poster ever...

[ThatGuy]

I let him borrow my Ban-chete for my the movie. I had to teach him the proper way to use it first though.

Silly Rambo. Only knows how to use whistling arrows with 5lb explosive tips that can be fired 100 yards without dropping trajectory.

Pssshhhh, amateur!

[jackjack]

poster kicks ass. cant wait.

[ronmcdon]

now that's a proper action movie! :)

[TheWolf]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel the need to acquire a 50 cal now for 4th of july celebrations... BEST EVER! I'm so there.

[rican_nick]

not sure if these were posted on zilvia before.. but here are some pics from the filming of the movie from a couple months back.

can't wait to see it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/rican240sx/rambo019-761028.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/rican240sx/rambo012A-799506.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/rican240sx/rambo011-799351.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/rican240sx/rambo007-767572.jpg

[jackjack]

damn....... he's done like dinner.

[ThatGuy]

His arms look ok, for his age.

But the rest of his torso looks like hammered dog shit.

The war has not been kind to John. :keke:

[IIIXziuR]

Stalone could be our grandfather, the man handles business and still looks decent. Of course its no match to his 1985 physqiue but the dude still looks like an animal. I mean look at Arnie for crissake......horrible

[ALTRNTV]

What's up with Stallone and re-living his "way back then" blockbusters, such as Rocky, and now Rambo. Oh well, I can't wait for this one.

[ixfxi]

What's up with Stallone and re-living his "way back then" blockbusters, such as Rocky, and now Rambo. Oh well, I can't wait for this one.

Whats up with it?

What kinda bullshit question is that.

Nothing is up with it, as long as the movies are GOOD.

His old movies are good. His new movies are good too. I saw Rocky Balboa and after much criticism, the movie was actually good.

Lot of throwbacks lately are bullshit. Nice to see Stallone, as always, is keeping it real.

[ALTRNTV]

Never said it was a bad thing. :)

[EDacIouSX]

yea rocky balboa was freaken good if you ask me.

haha i rememebr paulie coming in and that girl was like

GirL: "Do you have a reservation"

Paulie: "DO I LOOK LIKE A FREAKEN INDIAN?"

lol

[IIIXziuR]

Man I need to get on that, the Rocky series was amazing minus the 5th installment.....that was trash.

Stallone Rules hard

[0100]

Who the hell cares what he looks like, did some of you catch the gay or something? :D Seriously though if it was an actress yeah sure, but it's a guy. A 61 year old guy at that. What kind of shape are you going to be in at 61? I will probably be dead by then.

I hope the movie lives up to the trailer.

[SimpleS14]

DAYUM....that had to be the most violent trailer EVAR hahaha


I think I will go see this movie. :)

[exitspeed]

His old movies are good. His new movies are good too. I saw Rocky Balboa and after much criticism, the movie was actually good.



It was damn good. Probably one of the best movies in the series. I went and saw it in the theater with my pops, and really had low expectations for it. I was very surprised how good it was.

I look forward to the new Rambo.

[jackjack]

compared to most of these new movies, i'll gladly pay to see rambo. most movies are garbage these days.

[PBucch]

Whats up with it?

What kinda bullshit question is that.

Nothing is up with it, as long as the movies are GOOD.

His old movies are good. His new movies are good too. I saw Rocky Balboa and after much criticism, the movie was actually good.

Lot of throwbacks lately are bullshit. Nice to see Stallone, as always, is keeping it real.


Thank you. also that last line ROFL

I cannot wait for this shit!!!!!!

[exitspeed]

New trailer.
On IGN. (http://media.movies.ign.com/media/041/041142/vids_1.html)

[ixfxi]

New trailer.
On IGN. (http://media.movies.ign.com/media/041/041142/vids_1.html)

theres strong, and then there's......... ARMY strong

i like how rambo is just killing just about ANYTHING in this movie

i have a feeling its all gonna be about blowing shit up and hearing "aaaaaaaggh!!" from stallone, thats it.

dont get me wrong, i've got the rambo box set sitting right here. meaning, it should match up very well with the rest of the movies.

ps: rocky III = the best

[exitspeed]

There's cut your throat, and then there's RAMBO CUTTING YOUR FUCKING THROAT!

New slogan for the movie.

[WERDdabuilder]

cant wait for this movie! back to the good ol' days of bloody gory movies.

[HyperTek]

haha super thread bump huh..
but yah it looks cool.. i like how much detail was put into the gore haha..

saving private ryan set the standard for me... watching action movies that are not as detailed kind of ruin the picture.. unless they dont show anythign at all so you use your imagination.

Bruce Willis came back with die hard.. now Harrison Ford is comin back .. so would the story line of indiana jones have to mean it would take place around the 50s or 60s? i recall they took place around the 40s..

[Grendel]

New trailer.
On IGN. (http://media.movies.ign.com/media/041/041142/vids_1.html)

I absolutely hate that song that they put on the trailer :(

The movie looks pretty decent though

[WERDdabuilder]

i dont think the point of the movie is to get any awards so im not going to go into the movie hoping the stories is going to be the best or the acting is going to be on point. i just want to see some damn blood and bodies being blasted full of lead and nonstop action.

[4thHorse]

If he handles this movie with the same passion as he did Rocky then this movie will be good

[powersteeringless180sx]

i never saw rocky balboa but i heard he was still pretty ripped

[jackjack]

I absolutely hate that song that they put on the trailer :(

The movie looks pretty decent though


song = :bash:

but yeah... i'll be there. looks good. :Ownedd:

[exitspeed]

Check out this new trailer on IGN. http://media.movies.ign.com/media/041/041142/vids_1.html

Rambo is not what you call fucking around. I like violent movies but the gore in this one seems almost cheesy. I'm still going to see it.

[180sExy]

Hell Yeah!!!!!! I Cant Wait For This Movie!!!!!

[Phlip]

Information everyone can use:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3909/rambokillchartjx1.jpg

... Rambo kills because he is undersexed.

[jackjack]

^THATS GREAT :rofl:

[exitspeed]

That's a lotta killing. YES. Going to see it with my pops on Sun. RIGHT AFTER CHURCH!

EDIT: IGN gave it 3.5 out of 5 stars. Not bad.

[BustedS13]

holy shit.
just.... shit was crazy. there's spoilers here. highlight if you want to.

at one point he sneaks up on this jeep with a mounted 50 cal, kills the gunner, and then blows away the dudes in the front seats with the 50 cal. goriest shit ever. he turns the 50 cal on a personnel truck and turns like 10 dudes into a pile of chum. he rips a dude's throat out. he fucking CUTS A DUDE IN HALF.

this was an action movie that delivered with no bullshit. go sly go.

[DRavenS13]

It's bloody, it's violent, and it is EXTREMELY unlikely to happen in real life.

Just the way I likes MY MOVIES.

[240love]

RAMBO was fuckin bad ass...i wanna see it again. I cant get over all the killing..ahh! lol

[Matej]

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3909/rambokillchartjx1.jpg
No topless bloodbaths in the new one? :(

[special_k86]

This movie was just full of win. I dragged a few of my friends that didn't want to see it and they loved me after it was over.

Some of the acting was pretty god aweful, but the gorey action more then makes up for it.

[Matej]

Supposedly Stallone took steroids when filming this movie which is kind of disappointing. I heard that a lot of other celebrities take steroids as well, among them 50 Cent haha.

[hrdprkin180]

I could honestly say that Rambo was the shit. I went to go watch it Thursday @ midnight, and before it started I was thinking to myself " if this sucks Im gonna punch my buddy in the face for talking me into it" .But it didnt it just made me wanna go and randomly fight someone....

[Phlip]

Supposedly Stallone took steroids when filming this movie which is kind of disappointing. I heard that a lot of other celebrities take steroids as well, among them 50 Cent haha.

The other celebrities are alleged to be using 'roids...
Sly was stopped in the airport with HGH in his bag, this is confirmed. I, for one, do NOT find it disappointing, the man did what he needed to do to get himself in shape to be able to entertain us... If that means he needs to use steroids, then by all means let him.
Fuck, that applies to professional athletes as well, as entertainers, they should do what the fuck they need to do make their money. I mean, do YOU want to see a team of motherfuckers who are barely capable of the same shit you could do if you were out there, or do you want a running back who runs a 4.4, do you want 450-foot home runs and monstrous slam dunks? I know I enjoy the latter, so up with dope!

[Matej]

The other celebrities are alleged to be using 'roids...
Sly was stopped in the airport with HGH in his bag, this is confirmed. I, for one, do NOT find it disappointing, the man did what he needed to do to get himself in shape to be able to entertain us... If that means he needs to use steroids, then by all means let him.
Fuck, that applies to professional athletes as well, as entertainers, they should do what the fuck they need to do make their money. I mean, do YOU want to see a team of motherfuckers who are barely capable of the same shit you could do if you were out there, or do you want a running back who runs a 4.4, do you want 450-foot home runs and monstrous slam dunks? I know I enjoy the latter, so up with dope!
All of us might as well hook steroids and start making millions.

[Phlip]

All of us might as well hook steroids and start making millions.

Hey, that would up the competition, no?
I am not yet seeing a downside to this, except the fact that I am not willing to trade the right now for the rest of my life. I kinda like the idea of being able to get old and not expecting to be in pain.

[Matej]

I am not yet seeing a downside to this, except the fact that I am not willing to trade the right now for the rest of my life.
The downside is that there are people on steroids competing amongst people who work hard to be where they are.

[NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14]

i LOveed it,

all the killings where great..................

[ROUGE180]

seriously? That was like one of the best movies ever made lol. who needs a plot when you liquify poeple at point blank range? I just just got home from watching it. I'm ssooooo getting that when it comes out on DVD. +1 for old ass Sylvester Stalone.

[NervGS]

Damn fun, great movie.

Who else laughed at the "Midnight Meat Train" trailer? Sounds like a porno! HAahaha.

-glenn

[Edgar]

Rammmmboooooooooooooooooooo

[jackjack]

leaving right now to go see it. cant wait. HELL YES.

[S13Boosts]

i wanna go see this! no time AH!

[BustedS13]

Damn fun, great movie.

Who else laughed at the "Midnight Meat Train" trailer? Sounds like a porno! HAahaha.

-glenn

the entire audience laughed at that. and honestly, that looked like a sweet thriller... until it was called midnight meat train.

[exitspeed]

I just saw the movie yesterday!

This movie was so full of awesome it was unbelievable! Good for Sly being able to come back and make sequels to both Rambo and Rocky that didn't suck.

I was SO much happier with the blood and violence in this movie then I thought I was going to be. It was slightly cheesy, but man it worked so well.

I can't even say what my favorite part was. Maybe the arrow in the head, the WWII bomb explosion, or the scene with Rambo on the 50 cal!

I'm getting this BB on DVD as soon as it comes out.

I give the movie two thumbs up..that get blown off!

[98s14inaz]

The other celebrities are alleged to be using 'roids...
Sly was stopped in the airport with HGH in his bag, this is confirmed. I, for one, do NOT find it disappointing, the man did what he needed to do to get himself in shape to be able to entertain us... If that means he needs to use steroids, then by all means let him.
Fuck, that applies to professional athletes as well, as entertainers, they should do what the fuck they need to do make their money. I mean, do YOU want to see a team of motherfuckers who are barely capable of the same shit you could do if you were out there, or do you want a running back who runs a 4.4, do you want 450-foot home runs and monstrous slam dunks? I know I enjoy the latter, so up with dope!

I'm going to disagree with you here. Roids are cheating, no different than hacking a computer game to play better. I could really care less what actors and celebs do to succeed. I do want athletes to have some integrity and play the game to the best of their natural abilities. People like Bonds would not break the records they broke and dominate the way they do with out roids.

[exitspeed]

John Rambo>Super Bowl 42.

[jackjack]

Sly ROCKS. i'm really looking foward to the "deathwish" remake now.

[240love]

yup rambo rocks...saw it again this weekend. Dam imagine how it will look on a blue ray dics player? crazy...

[exitspeed]

Sly ROCKS. i'm really looking foward to the "deathwish" remake now.

Que? Info please!

[jackjack]

^here you go.............

my buddy's dad is going to interview sly for a local chicago magazine, thats how i found out about this.


VARIETY.COM:

After a recent resurgence with sequels "Rocky Balboa" (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Film/main/150583/Rocky%20Balboa.html?dataSet=1) and the upcoming "Rambo, (http://javascript<b></b>:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('&quot;Rambo&quot;');)" Sylvester Stallone is taking aim at an MGM remake of the 1974 Charles Bronson starrer "Death Wish. (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Film/main/79502/Death%20Wish.html?dataSet=1)"

Stallone is in talks to direct and star as an ordinary man who goes vigilante after his wife and daughter are attacked. Set to write the script are Michael Ferris (http://javascript<b></b>:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('Michael Ferris');) and John Brancato (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/205246/John%20Brancato.html?dataSet=1), whose credits include "Terminator 3" (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Film/main/31348/Terminator%203%3A%20Rise%20of%20the%20Machines.htm l?dataSet=1) and "Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins."

Paramount Pictures (http://javascript<b></b>:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('Paramount Pictures');) controls some "Death Wish" rights and has an option to partner. MGM will make the pic whether or not Par opts in, and if a writers strike is settled in short order, MGM will try to start production before March. Stallone's partner, Kevin King (http://javascript<b></b>:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('Kevin King');), will be a producer.

Stallone showed surprising box office punch with "Rocky Balboa," which grossed $80 million domestic and $150 million worldwide. MGM distributed that film after splitting the $24 million production budget with Sony and Revolution Studios (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Company/main/2008186/Revolution%20Studios.html?dataSet=1).

"Death Wish" fits squarely into MGM's long-term strategy of assembling tentpoles based on a 4,100-title library that encompasses post-1985 MGM fare plus UA, Orion, Polygram, Samuel Goldwyn (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/446857/Samuel%20Goldwyn.html?dataSet=1) and Cannon titles.

"We are looking at our library to determine which potential franchise properties make the most sense for us to produce, and 'Death Wish' was clearly one of that jumped out," said MGM chief operating officer Rick Sands (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/907022/Richard%20Sands.html?dataSet=1). "We hope to get a deal done with Sylvester Stallone to direct and star, and like the 'Rocky' and 'Rambo' films, we see this as another potential franchise for him."

[exitspeed]

I started doing some research and found this:

Says Stallone, "I'd like to get your feedback on the idea of remaking Death Wish with a slightly different slant. Instead of the Charles Bronson character being an architect; my version would have him as a very good cop who had incredible success without ever using his gun. So when the attack on his family happens, he's really thrown into a moral dilemma in proceeding to carry out his revenge."

Hell to the NO on that idea.

Then I found this:

Update : Upon listening to the talkback responses on AICN, many who turned their nose at the idea of a remake, Stallone tells the site today that he will NOT be doing the movie. Yep, he listened to the fans!

Tell your friend I want the scoop!

[jackjack]

yeah. apparently he's asking EVERYONE what they think of the idea. i like the fact that he's actually interested in feedback. its still up in the air. we'll see.

[Koopa Troopa]

I want a remake of Over the Top!!!

You know it's like a switch.. I just turn my hat around and then BAM! Ya kno? I just go over the top...

I loved John Rambo.. Such a great movie and I loved how they didn't pussy foot the effects of a .50 BMG... The bullet travels with such velocity it doesn't even have to hit you to kill you..

I remember a scout sniper who was in OIF I was telling me he vaporized a dude using a .50 cal...

[exitspeed]

Speaking of Death Wish, have you guys ever watched those movies.

I admit I had never seen them, but AMC has having marathons of all the movies so I started watching'em. I sawy part 3 and 4. HOLY FUCK are those TERRIBLE movies. Just terrible. They got like one star.

Then I was reading that only the first one was any good. So I finally caught it, and yea, much better.

I'd really like to see a remake of that.

I dunno about Over the Top though. That movie was cool as hell. I liked how they had interviews of them in the movie.

[jackjack]

remember this? it was on the other night. ahahahahah good times.

http://www.impawards.com/1993/posters/demolition_man.jpg

[water]

An action movie that didn't have its balls snipped - THANK GOD FOR JOHN RAMBO.

[bloodangels13]

saw it last night..... all i can say is he still is one badass mofo... and i want that sniper rifle schoolboy was using

[Koopa Troopa]

saw it last night..... all i can say is he still is one badass mofo... and i want that sniper rifle schoolboy was using


And you can, for 4,xxx dollars from Barrett Rifles....

M82A1

[exitspeed]

And you can, for 4,xxx dollars from Barrett Rifles....

M82A1

Do they take paypal? That thing was so BA.

[Koopa Troopa]

I dunno but the rounds are expensive as shit.. Looking at over $2.00 a round..

[exitspeed]

I dunno but the rounds are expensive as shit.. Looking at over $2.00 a round..

Think it would be good for deer hunting? :rl: :Owned:

[Koopa Troopa]

Prolly illegal but fuck it. Shoot away! If you bag more than 1 you're just doing nature a favor by removing the idiots of the deer species/

[Grendel]

Just saw this on Digg, pretty funny.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6307/sylvesterstallone2vt0.jpg

I had no idea this movie was out already, I'm gonna go see it this weekend probably.

[PF ALL DAY]

Rambo is the baddest mfkr that is walking the planet.



& his veins have nothing to do with growth hormones or any drug for that matter. your veins get bigger along with your muscles. it increases blood flow, which increases the amount of oxygen that go to your muscles to help them grow..

[hunter8411]

Rambo kicks so much ass. Just finished watching the first 3, they are all so damn entertaining.

[jeeper_x]

Think it would be good for deer hunting? :rl: :Owned:

fuck...who needs guns?

it's all about the bow and the wooden arrowtips!!!

:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

[jackjack]

"whatta ya say jon?"...................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnaeFcN14E


best responce eva!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[illvialuver]

yeah i read a review that said the movie sucked, but the must have had there eyes closed.
the movie was bad ass, the noise was awesome and so was the action.

[WERDdabuilder]

wow finally got around to watching it...

best action flick ever.

[azndoc]

Finally got around to watching it.

It's cool.

I thought that they were going to fuck them all up during the party scene to save those other girls, but I guess not.

[DOOK]

those guns make big holes...

[azndoc]

those guns make big holes...

That's what she said......

:coold:

[ronmcdon]

great movie. my only complaint was that it was a bit too short, and not as much grandeur of pt.3, with blowing up soviet gunships etc. the drama/acting was a little cheesy, but that just adds to the enjoyment of a rambo film.

still, it was amazingly intense. I really hope there's going to be another sequel, done with the same formula, possibly with more stuff blowing up. I havn't had my fill of Rambo. with luck, he'll be fighting the commies again.

[ESmorz]

"whatta ya say jon?"...................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrnaeFcN14E


best responce eva!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so used to hearing "Next time I see you, you're fucking dead" after that quote haha.

[ROUGE180]

This movie gives point blank range a whole new meaning!! Loved it.

[WERDdabuilder]

I thought that they were going to fuck them all up during the party scene to save those other girls, but I guess not.

serious right? i was waiting for that mass gangbang.

[MikeisNissan]

I was also ..

[98s14inaz]

I finally saw the movie. I had several "holy shit!" moments. Overall I liked the movie and I feel Stallone played the aging Rambo part well.

[IIIXziuR]

Rambo cutting people in half with the 50 Cal
Always amazing to watch that final battle scene
The most gore EVER. I think it was worse than horror films

[jackjack]

rented the dvd last night. had to see it again. too damn short. i couldve used another 5+ hours of rambo.

ahahahahaha. love it.

[mr_240sx]

yeah i watched it a few nights ago and thought it was extremely short....some thing like 1:15mins.


found it hard to understand what he was saying as well. kinda reminded of ozzy osbournes speech impediment.

[MrMcgarrett]

I rented it the other night, shit is awesome.
Stallone needs to stop acting and just produce sweet bloody violent action flicks.

Does anyone know the going rate for a jeep mounted .50 cal?