Lowered car = F***ed up suspension?

[karl wasabi]

So i went to go get an alignment today for my car and the guy starts telling me that my car is too low. He says that it needs to be raised like an inch or more and that my suspension is fucked up. I'm thinking, my car isnt even that low, and im only on 16's with a 55 profile tire. Then they say that my car must handle like shit and that it must hop around everywhere. He says that the suspension geometry is all messed up and he keeps going on and on about how a lowered car doesnt handle. And then he goes by saying that he can pass up any lowered car in a turn in a stock height vehicle. The whole time Im just thinking this guy is full of shit, and he says that the front of my suspension is unfixable because its too low. And that I need new tie rod ends and that, that might not even fix it.

All I wanted was for my car to go straight, and all I got was this really long lecture. And no alignment. Has anybody else gotten the same problem before? Where do you guys get your alignments done?

[Bigballin]

have you tried taking it somewhere else for a second opinion?

[240trainee]

1) he was talking suspension low, not chassis low. tires don't matter

2) you do fuck up the origonal suspension geometry slamming the car

3) you probably did blow your front tie rods, shit happens

4) if you are going to drive a slammed car, do alittle research first. The tech was correct in pretty much everything he said in a way.

[silviaz]

What the guy told you is true 90% true. He can't align your car properly with a messed up direction. He just CAN'T because you'll pay to get nothing. A lowered car (more than 2" I should say for a 240) will get you loose handling. If you got camber, the handling will be like shit.

[s13silvia123]

first of all if you lower you car you have more of a better of center of gravity. you can turn a little better. but the fact is that if you have lowered your car your suspension geometry is changed. which is almost not as good as stock. when you lowered your car you might of messed up your tie rod.

you do need a little suspension upgrade to make it the same again as stock but you'll have way better cornering ability than stock.

that guy is somewhat right. but with aftermarket suspension upgrades you'll turn better than stock.

[kevtrinh]

first of all, what suspension are you using?

[karl wasabi]

Well my car isnt even slammed. I just lowerd it to the point that it looks pretty good. I have JIC coils, tension rods, and rear camber arms. The only thing I reallly dont have is the front tie rod ends. Havent gotten a second opinion yet, cause everywhere is closed by now. I even read on this forum that stock tie rods work fine on a lowered car. So what is the verdict.

[staygold24]

you need adjustable arms so your toe wont be messed up as long with your camber, I dont know about front caster and everything

[240trainee]

His front caster should be fine, he has tension rods anyway.

Toe is already adjustable in the front, just might need new outer ends, but you can get it to 0 toe no problem

rear, you might not be able to get toe where you want it, but camber will be adjustable.

He just doesn't want to touch it, you have a different idea of what you want out of the car than he does. Go find someone else who gets what you are trying to do better.

[karl wasabi]

He just doesn't want to touch it, you have a different idea of what you want out of the car than he does. Go find someone else who gets what you are trying to do better.[/quote]


The thing is. This is a tuner shop. There were two fixed up FD's and three more fixed up S14's. They tune drift cars at this shop. I think the dude was just trying to be a jackass.

[vanish1]

eh, if your car drives fairly straight w/o touching the steering wheel you dont need an alignment. Your alignment ends up getting changed the second you leave the shop and drive over a couple of bumps

[S14Josh]

He just doesn't want to touch it, you have a different idea of what you want out of the car than he does. Go find someone else who gets what you are trying to do better.


The thing is. This is a tuner shop. There were two fixed up FD's and three more fixed up S14's. They tune drift cars at this shop. I think the dude was just trying to be a jackass.


I kinda doubt he was trying to be a jackass.

If theres no possible way to align your car properly he is going to let you know. If he works for a reputable shop, and is a good employee, he's not going to lie to you. Mainly because their name would be all over that alignment job if it was fucked up.

Your tie rods COULD be fucked up, did you check them out for yourself? You could try to take it to another shop if you want. see what they tell you.

[karl wasabi]

The thing is. I need an alignment. My car pulls to the right pretty bad. And im planning on going to a just drift event soon.

Anybody have any thoughts. Should i just buy some tie rod ends.

[Irukandji]

"Suspension geometry" isn't what's keeping you from driving better

alignment guy is a pussy... take it to a real shop.

[kevtrinh]

check out your tie rod ends first and then address the situation... just make it go straight and ull be fine

[McRussellPants]

ugh.

anytime a alignment tech or tire jockey starts busting my balls about tire wear or tire is too small or too low or whatever i shit on their face.


They're all lazy stupid highschool dropouts and they'll give you all kinds of shit because you're not driving a minivan with 75 sidewall tires.

favorites include.

"last time we had a three peice wheel we broke it"
"you broke it?"
"yeah, racing rims break easy"
"ah, you guys must suck at putting tires on."

"we can't do 40 sidewalls"
"oh, this is a really soft sidewall, its only a 711 it goes on easy"
"no it doesn't I've done plenty"
"can I do it myself and give you 20$?"
"no way, you don't know how to work the machine"
"Im not the one that can't get 40 sidewalls on you old douchebag"

both of those, real events.

luckily I have an alignment guy that doesn't bust my balls. but the other retards always come try and bust my balls about tire wear.

"3.5 camber, who wanted that?"
"me"
"thats gonna eat tires"
"its toe that eats tires, breh"
*procedes to give 30minute highschool drop out high rev tuna lession*

I fucking hate mechanics, 99.9% of them are the dumbest asshats on the planet trying to jerk it off on minivan tire because they take 10 seconds to install and stretching tire takes 1 minute.

/rant.

[SimpleSexy180]

^hahahahah <3

[O3DigitalBath]

eh, if your car drives fairly straight w/o touching the steering wheel you dont need an alignment. Your alignment ends up getting changed the second you leave the shop and drive over a couple of bumps

you're an idiot...

bring your car to my work, i'll give you a few degree's of toe and i'll make sure it drives straight and you tell me that you don't need an alignment after you see what your tires look like after a week or so of just driving around town.

and I dunno about you but if i'm just daily driving my car, my alignment doesn't go out...do you/your alignment guy leave the nuts loose on your arms? If you go do some events and drive like a jackass on the way home and aim for every pot hole and smack all the curbs in the parking lots then yea it will be out, but that shit isn't going out when you drive over a few small bumps.

my old civic I did the alignment on it and then drove 4 track days on it and then daily drove it for a year and the alignment was still dead on...so please don't speak if you don't know what you are talking about.

[Bigballin]

lol, funny shit MC

[zoototheyork]

your wrong kid, your just going to bad techs

[Brian]

my tie rods angled upwards (a lot) is a good thing.


suck my cocks.
both of them

[UfoZ8myCow]

"3.5 camber, who wanted that?"
"me"
"thats gonna eat tires"
"its toe that eats tires, breh"
*procedes to give 30minute highschool drop out high rev tuna lession*

I fucking hate mechanics, 99.9% of them are the dumbest asshats on the planet trying to jerk it off on minivan tire because they take 10 seconds to install and stretching tire takes 1 minute.

/rant.

So fucking true... I had some douchebag give me the same lecture on my Scepter when I wanted a hair over -3 camber in the front. So I was just like fuck that shit and took it to a different place.

Now the guy that does my suspension setup is the former head suspension engineer for the factory Porsche racing team. I wanted -3, he gave me -3.

[rewplayff]

thats nothing, i took my car in to get the frame straightened, get it back and i have super positive camber, a still messed up frame, and the car veers in the opposite direction from after the accident. needless to say, dont go to freeman auto frame and alignment on story road. i also tried to get my wheel alignment somewhere else and they asked me what my camber plates where. i'd say which shop it was but thats just too embarassing.

i'd have to agree with a few other people, if a drift car specialist says your tied rods are fucked, hey, maybe they are.

[McRussellPants]

one time I ninja eyeballed my car and hopped in to go get it aligned.

ended up being straight 3 degrees toe in. fuck.

so 10 minutes later I pull into the NTB with an old set of ST115s screaming for mercy, like 240 degree tread temp and try to cash in on my one year alignment.

"hey, I need an alingment and I'd like it to my own specs"
"we can't do your specs"
"uhhh ok, I can't make it across town man, it has like 3 degrees in from a crap eyeball just set the toe to factory."
*walks off, comes back with tech, walks off*
"the tech doesn't want to work on your car because it has racing suspension parts and he doesn't want to work on them"
"well, I can't make it across town, can I borrow a 15/16s and 7/8ths?"
"no way man"

had to bomb it another 20 minutes across town. shit was so shady.

then the one I took it to spent like 10 minutes freespinning an SPL tie rod buckle with both sides loose wondering why the toe wasn't changing before he asked me how to do it.

I fucking hate techs, takes so much effort to find a good tech willing to take the time that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

another pro tip is the crapbox mexican tire places always do the best job for tires. They're cheap as hell, they don't fuck up your wheels since they think they're cool and they'll always get the tire on. They're also really fast since they'd rather work on something cool than minivan bullshits.

as you can see, I've got a alot to say about highschool dropouts working on my shit.

[Bryants95240sx]

one time I ninja eyeballed my car and hopped in to go get it aligned.

ended up being straight 3 degrees toe in. fuck.

so 10 minutes later I pull into the NTB with an old set of ST115s screaming for mercy, like 240 degree tread temp and try to cash in on my one year alignment.

"hey, I need an alingment and I'd like it to my own specs"
"we can't do your specs"
"uhhh ok, I can't make it across town man, it has like 3 degrees in from a crap eyeball just set the toe to factory."
*walks off, comes back with tech, walks off*
"the tech doesn't want to work on your car because it has racing suspension parts and he doesn't want to work on them"
"well, I can't make it across town, can I borrow a 15/16s and 7/8ths?"
"no way man"

had to bomb it another 20 minutes across town. shit was so shady.

then the one I took it to spent like 10 minutes freespinning an SPL tie rod buckle with both sides loose wondering why the toe wasn't changing before he asked me how to do it.

I fucking hate techs, takes so much effort to find a good tech willing to take the time that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

another pro tip is the crapbox mexican tire places always do the best job for tires. They're cheap as hell, they don't fuck up your wheels since they think they're cool and they'll always get the tire on. They're also really fast since they'd rather work on something cool than minivan bullshits.

as you can see, I've got a alot to say about highschool dropouts working on my shit.

Last time i was NTB with my dads 350z, i asked the tech if he would align my car. i told him all the adj. arms i had and he told me no problem,he would do it to my specs too. Guess ill find out this weekend if he will actually follow through with it.

[Wei240]

post some pics to see your slammed ride

[vvtisupra]

having a good handling car doesn't make the driver faster.

[C. Senor]

damn that sux balls. i went to an alignment guy and i told him i had adjustable tension rods....he said off the top of my head i dont know what those are. LOL i said ok cool and left. i guess i'm lucky i have a friend that does alignment. so once i get my coilovers, back to the alignment shop...yay..lol stupid ramps.

[d*star180]

Mcrusselpants.......your summary of dumbass mechanics is SPOT MOTHERFUCKING ON with my view....word son.........

[johngriff]

Take the Car to Toms' Tire in Long Beach/Signal Hill.

Ask for Chris Tamms.

They have experienced Alignment Techs, they are not douche bags.

[karl wasabi]

Here is my "slammed" ride that they cant work on.


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/kismo14/IMG_1147.jpg

[McRussellPants]

Last time i was NTB with my dads 350z, i asked the tech if he would align my car. i told him all the adj. arms i had and he told me no problem,he would do it to my specs too. Guess ill find out this weekend if he will actually follow through with it.

NTB does my car.

I have a friend do it though.

They're hit or miss. some of them will do it some will give you shit.

the only "race" alignment shop in town the guy is some old porsche racer thats super pretentious. He has "Race" settings and "Drift" settings and shit like that.

he always fucks up kuahs car and leaves shit loose and it costs 140$ a trip so hes completely worthless.

Bring boards so they can't bitch about not being able to get it on to a rack.

[gotta240]

LOL.... MRP's stories are crackin' me up, and fairly similar to what i've seen. I hate it when an allignment douche tells me

1. Dude, you must not like your tires with that camber(i asked for a whopping 2.4 in front, 1.8 in back). I didn't feel like explaining to a 35yr old tech about how toe eats rubber, so i just told him "to my specs".

2. Uhhh, that will be 20 bucks more per adjustable thing.

ME- Uhhhh, those "adjustable things" make life easier on you and will take you LESS time to adjust.

Them- Uhhhh, ok. Pull it on

[kenversusryu]

Do it yourself. Get yourself a service manual and some string, rulers, level and a calculator. might not be exact but it's pretty darn close. PM me if you want to know exactly how its done. Save yourself some money and do it yourself.

[Dousan_PG]

yeah its way easy to do your own alingment just takes longer
but u can get it pretty damn good

u wont feel .2 degreees
well, some guys claim they will.........

[2iv0 sx]

What's the shop called that you went to? I was going to tell you to go to West Covina Nissan, I heard they give free car washes with alignments... haha

Take the Car to Toms' Tire in Long Beach/Signal Hill.

Ask for Chris Tamms.

They have experienced Alignment Techs, they are not douche bags.


I know exactly wheres thats at... Thanks for the recommendation! I always thought shops around here are shady, for some reason I do not know.. :loco:

[Dousan_PG]

Hiro's Auto
costa mesa
nicest folks and do a great job

[articdragon192]

^ +1 They will try thier hardest to get the alignment to your specs. If they can't they'll find a way to do it, either by notching your shocks for more camber, or by letting you know you need so and so part to get your alignment to a certain spec.

[randyjordan]

slit his throat

[240trainee]

Now the guy that does my suspension setup is the former head suspension engineer for the factory Porsche racing team. I wanted -3, he gave me -3.



+1 For Porsche alignment techs, my car is going to go to a shop that my Friends sends all the Porsche's and spec e30's from his shop.:bigok:

[noturS14]

Take it somewhere that works on something besides mother's minivan and father's truck

[Justin Bernstein]

"*procedes to give 30minute highschool drop out high rev tuna lession*"

you spell like a drop-out....why in gods fuckin hell would you go to NTB anyway. your just asking to be pissed on.

[ThatGuy]

There is only one place in town that didn't tell me my car was too low, or my wheels were too big. I had people tell me they were legit and did good work. So I figured I'd let them do my allignment. Went to pick up the car, and sure enough, allignment looks straight and drives damn near perfect.

3 days later the rear of my car is tracking to the right and I start hearing a grinding noise. I pull over to investigate. They neveer tightened down my KTS arms after the allignment. The inside of the passenger side rear wheel is rubbing on the A-Arm. :rant2: Adjust and tighten as best I ould by hand. Limp the car home. Re-allign with a tape measure and my calibrated eye-ball. Car drives better then it did after their initial allignment.

Ahhh, it's so much fun trying to get work done here in "MIDDLE-OF-FUCKING-NOWHERE, NC"

[RedlineRacer]

Thats not as bad as this shop near my house. I took my car to them once. I had just lowered my car with 1.8" all around and I have front aero. Its really not that much lower than before with the stock front with lip. I walk into the tech, and tell him I need an alignment. He starts to give me crap about my car being low and the lasers wont be able to see each other. Then tells me that if the lasers can't see, he's still gonna charge me the full amount of $60 for an alignment for just putting it on the lift. Needless to say I was walking out of the shop swearing I would never come back.

[Blackparade]

I go to hiros also.
Its a really cool shop.
I installed some tie rods and drove it there to get aligned. they did a good job considering i have no adjustability in the rear (other than stock). They didnt charge me full price since they said that it wasnt perfect. They told me to come back when i get some arms in the rear, so they could make it perfect.

[Wei240]

yep, i go to hiro's too,
it's also because he's the closest to me,

cool guy, he's going to wsir this weekend

west end alignment is good too if you're in the l.a/torrance/gardena area

[Gaelen]

There is one place about a 40 minute drive from me....some of you probably bought stuff from him(pdm-racing) he is the only guy I will ever let align my cars....any of them. Proabably one of maybe 3 techs i will even let TOUCH my car. I have never been let down...and for the $80 car feels amazing every time...does it to my specs...even lets me stand there and watch it change.

[McRussellPants]

"*procedes to give 30minute highschool drop out high rev tuna lession*"

you spell like a drop-out....why in gods fuckin hell would you go to NTB anyway. your just asking to be pissed on.


lol, if you're gonna bust my balls about two words and a missed hyphen in my two pages of fast paced internet posting you should probably get the your/you're correct next time fuckhole.

You should also probably have read a couple of my other posts to find out why I don't go to "Super Racecar Alignment" shop.

Protip:
Find a Friend that works at NTB
Buy A 1/3 year alignment plan
make him do your shit every month and a half for freebies.

when your friend is out of town or you can't drive to his place you're kinda SOL though.

Fucking retard techs are trying to bust my balls on the net now since 99.9% of them suck at their proffesion.

[SwiftS14]

do it yourself to get things done right, i took my car to autobacs for alignment to my specs and my car still pulls to the right, just installed new tension rods, inner and outter tie rods, wanted my camber to be at -2.5 caster to be at 7.5 and factory toe. came back the next day and told him that it pulls and he tells me align to my specs has no warranty. told my co workers at just tires about it and they let me realign my car for free. all it needed was a little less postiv caster to the left 7.3 and 7.5 right. shit was straigher then ever. next time i'll just do it myself, only when the boss is not there hahah.

[Justin Bernstein]

lol, if you're gonna bust my balls about two words and a missed hyphen in my two pages of fast paced internet posting you should probably get the your/you're correct next time fuckhole.

You should also probably have read a couple of my other posts to find out why I don't go to "Super Racecar Alignment" shop.

Protip:
Find a Friend that works at NTB
Buy A 1/3 year alignment plan
make him do your shit every month and a half for freebies.

when your friend is out of town or you can't drive to his place you're kinda SOL though.

Fucking retard techs are trying to bust my balls on the net now since 99.9% of them suck at their proffesion.

Touché you worthless douche bag…we are all sorry that you can’t afford to take your cars to a better shop, but how about you chill on bashing techs that probably got your car running for you and you just bitch when they don’t work on it because you have no clue how to fix shit yourself.

Hey, by the way, fuck yourself.

P.S.
You’re a homo.


Oh, and by the way its profession.

[1Via!]

Touché you worthless douche bag…we are all sorry that you can’t afford to take your cars to a better shop, but how about you chill on bashing techs that probably got your car running for you and you just bitch when they don’t work on it because you have no clue how to fix shit yourself.

Hey, by the way, fuck yourself.

P.S.
You’re a homo.


Nice font.

So, did you actually drop out of high school?

[ThatGuy]

Justin Bernstein and McRussellPants, please continue your argument through PM where you aren't clogging up the forums. Thank you.

[Justin Bernstein]

Nice font.

So, did you actually drop out of high school?


Thanks, I’m not actually a mechanic, but let me ask you, what was your highest degree in school?

I’m guessing GED?

Better google that one if you don’t know what it means.

[gotta240]

Lol... Why so defensive about techs? Most of them ARE DOUCHE BAGS who cry about working on a modified/lowered car... What's the big deal?

[McRussellPants]

Yeah, the day an NTB/Discount/big bobs racecar alignment tech does something right on my car without me standing 10 feet away telling him what to do is the day I start treating zilvia with respect.

oh yeah, the last time I dropped my wheels off at discount I come back and they have hammer on weights on them. Also, the packing receipt the tech took off the outside of the tire, he simply moved to the inside for the guy to find when i had the tires flipped.

whoo hoo, TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT!

[nvrdone]

Yeah, I work at the honda, nissan dealer here and all the "aged" techs bitch about tuners here. I think its because they don't think aftermarket is better then oem. My uncle tells me that all the time.

[EDacIouSX]

"Suspension geometry" isn't what's keeping you from driving better

alignment guy is a pussy... take it to a real shop.

serious i have stories like that too but too. Basically shop ripped me off and didn't do the job correctly so I ended up having to do it myself...

[spinitsidewayz]

My neighbors look at me weird whenever i do this.

http://www.negative-camber.org/jam149/technical/alignment.html

Might not be totally accurate and can take a while but i'm constantly changing my suspension.

[Skullavera]

Well to get back to the topic at hand, maybe you can try this place in Carson. Just heard of it here on Zilvia. Maybe you can get a second opinion there. Hiro's is definitely a good choice too but if you don't want to drive all the way to Costa Mesa on your effed up alignment, Carson is a lot closer. Here's the link:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=140806

[ixfxi]

my alignment shop is GREAT.

its called JUST TIRES, a very reputable shop that is filled with very knowledgeable individuals.

they have my car in the computer, with my contact information AND the vehicle's mileage - as to keep track of the car's usage history.

I deal with the oldest, crankiest bastard in the shop. he's always pissed off, smoking, and knows me by name. every time i visit, he knows exactly who i am, exactly what i want.. and doesnt fuck with the computer, its preset alignment settings, or the mileage history. actually, he doesnt even deal with the fucks in the office. i basically kick him down with a hand-shake of lets say, 40 bucks.. and we're fuckin done.

when old-school is not around, i deal with another character.. my main man theo. he's comedy, because he does crazy shit to his cars that i dont think anyone else typically does. he's gangster. only thing i dont like about theo is that he over-tightens shit, so i have to be careful what i let him touch. he's got the strong-hand, so many times my bitch-ass has a hard time loosening shit he's tightened. its almost like having GOD as your mechanic friend. yeah, picture that. picture loosening some lugnuts tightened by GOD, that shit aint easy man. Its kinda like removing excaliber from stone, but much much harder.

my favorite quote is when theo drove my car once. seeing him in my s13 hatch with harnesses (not buckled, just around his shoulders) was fucking hillarious. its like watching Donkey Kong competing in Super Mario Kart, he's too mASSIV for the puny_s13. but he was curious what a small, lightweight turbo car felt like.. since hes used to big-body american cars (dont worry what fuckin race he is, thats not part of the story assholes). anyway, theo said...

"it aint no hemi......... but its gooooooooooooood"

advice? find a better shop. it doesnt need to be "master shinobi's drift alignment shop" ... just find a fucking shop where the person is not a TOOL, who is pre-programmed and automated to using commands from a laser-guided alignment machine. if the person went to school or simply has a fucking understanding of alignments, he'll be able to take care of your car. bottom line is, stay away from costco-we-worry-about-liability shops.. they're the anal ones.

"sorry sir, we cant install any other tires other than the ones originally sold by the manufacturer which are intended to fit your vehicle. custom rims, alignments, and stuff like that is just beyond our technical experience ... because we're FUCKING IDIOTS."

--- anonymous costco employee

[ms!3]

I think its because they don't think aftermarket is better then oem. My uncle tells me that all the time.

haha thats pretty much true. stock will usually always last longer than a built motor. about alignments, shit i havent even gotten my car aligned from when i bought it. attemped to. took it up to goodyear, said my tie rod ends were bad and they couldnt do it. got new tie rods, took it back. said they wouldnt do it cuz my tires were bad. fuck that, ill find somewhere else, im not so sure about goodyear. imma wait till coils and tires come in to go get it aligned tho. like 2 weeks tops. i can change into the right lane in like 3 seconds from how off it is, haha.

[1Via!]

Thanks, I’m not actually a mechanic, but let me ask you, what was your highest degree in school?

I’m guessing GED?

Better google that one if you don’t know what it means.

Good job, you're proving everything that has been said about you to be true.
Wheres the asshat smiley when you need it?

I myself have a high school diploma and in another two years I'll have a degree in International Studies and a minor in Political Science.
Of course, I don't judge most people by their level of education; many people I deal with on a daily basis are highly educated and are utter idiots.

You don't need to have dropped out of high school to fail at life.

[chmercer]

this is dildos

you are slowly learning how to unplay the guitar

[240tek]

Do it yourself. Get yourself a service manual and some string, rulers, level and a calculator. might not be exact but it's pretty darn close. PM me if you want to know exactly how its done. Save yourself some money and do it yourself.

I was looking for someone with the brains to recommend this! you can get through harbor freight. if you wanna get it done right every time get these: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45742

peace

[SimpleSexy180]

^oooh thanks for that link!

[backroadtouge]

this is dildos

you are slowly learning how to unplay the guitar

bahahaahaa im still laughing from that. god i like reading the stories in this thread.

[kleenS14]

Look, I'm not gonna completely defend techs even though I am one. At the non-dealership shops, you just want normal jobs all day to bang out without any hiccups. Most people are on flat rate. Yes, lowered cars are a major pain is the ass. Sure everything is adjustable and that parts easy but thats not the problem most of the time. I hate pulling those cars on the damn lift cuz either I scrape the front bumper cuz it's so low and civic boy with his black widow III body kit gets pissed I scraped his 75$ bumper, or I have to get help from other techs to pull up on the fenders (and no one likes helping eachother cuz it's less time on your job). It's a simple hassle that no one wants to deal with. Also, with the laser machine you just get it in the green and get the bitch off the lift. With requested specs it just takes that much more time away, which takes that much more money outta your check. Thank god, at the dealership I dont get any of that shit anymore, but it does suck. My whip is on Tiens with adjustable arms and all, and to get my car on the alignment machine I have to have two people pulling fenders or the front bumper taken off. Take your car to a specialty shop or someone who's willing to deal with it. If you go to NTB or Tires Plus or somthn for your 1 year alignment plan for 80$, expect to get crappy results or outright refused. It's the way of the business boys.

[Jon Michael]

I stay far away from any kind of Goodyear/Sears Tire/any other place like that, for one reason...

"I turned the first corner out of the parking lot and the tire fell off. The tire fell off, it fell off, it fell the fuck off!"

Just find a place that you know, or a mechanic that you know who will do it for you correctly. Or else, you can try doing it yourself. I never have, but my friends have, and the don't complain about how it drives.

[mRclARK1]

I only let one mechanic in my area work on my car. He's a Russian dude, barely speaks English (we usually talk in Russian, since I can speak it better then he does English. haha)... the guy really knows his stuff, and will do whatever you ask. He often will do work you DIDN'T ask him to do. Little things like oil changes etc. if he's got time, and he doesn't cheap out on them either. He falls in that .1% of techs I guess. haha

I generally don't mod anything I don't have the tools, time or facilities to work on myself, and if I do... it goes to him.

[Justin Bernstein]

Good job, you're proving everything that has been said about you to be true.
Wheres the asshat smiley when you need it?

I myself have a high school diploma and in another two years I'll have a degree in International Studies and a minor in Political Science.
Of course, I don't judge most people by their level of education; many people I deal with on a daily basis are highly educated and are utter idiots.

You don't need to have dropped out of high school to fail at life.

Whaaat?.....Uh...Good comeback, I guess.

[slow40]

are there FIRESTONE's out in socal? stupd question maybe, but i'm supprised nobody's mentioned the lifetime alignment from them...

$140, alignments for life..for as long as you own your car - 2 visits pays for itself,

i got lucky and met this guy with an eclipse who's been around the block, lets me stand and watch, also before/after printout, i've been there 5 times now

[Farzam]

I'm about 15-20 minutes away from a local rice hut that has all the alignment goodies.