flat black paint job??

[eastcoastS14]

does anyone have any info on the paint job on this car? I want to know how its done, if anyone has done it to their 240 or seen this car in person and if it would be cheaper or more expensive than a regular full body color change to do ...pics
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/maxlopes/fasteddie3.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/maxlopes/fasteddie2.jpg

closeups
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/maxlopes/fasteddie7.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/maxlopes/fasteddie11.jpg

[Matej]

That's satin black, not flat black.


Whoaa, look at the resemblance!

http://bradystribling.com/driftfury41/images/DSC_0207.JPG

[axiomatik]

ratrod evo? :down: white-wall tires? :down:

someone here on zilvia just did a flat black paint job on his s14 track car. I think he used this stuff:

Hot Rod Flatz (http://www.tcpglobal.com/kustomshop/ksflatz.aspx)

edit: I just realized the thread is in Premium-land, but the user is mehsilvia, try pm'ing him.

[eastcoastS14]

ha striking resemblance....so if its satin black then how do they get that look? the car looks different than other cars with that type of paint job because it just looks incredibly clean and still reflects light even tho it doesnt appear to have clearcoat...i really am a paint noob so i hope this post makes sense

[eastcoastS14]

ha honestly i love that car...the guy is trying something different, taking elements straight from the hot rod style...i think so many cars end up looking the same so i have appreciation for anyone trying to keep it clean and different

[forum04pl]

its a stain finish like said above, its just done professionally not with a bunch of rattlecans, thats probably why it looks so clean. im almost positive that you can clear satin paint, im not sure if its a special clear or not.

ill ask my roomate when he gets back about it, hes been painting for a few years.

[240trainee]

That evo looks fuckin cool

[mehsilvia]

Its alot cheaper to do satin or flat. No worries about color-sanding the finish or clear-coat.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Paint/IMG_1293.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Paint/Finished/IMG_1315.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Paint/Finished/IMG_1314.jpg

[eastcoastS14]

yeah ask him and let me kno....does he paint at a shop or just on the side? either way ask him if hed be willing to paint my car...my new 240 is pretty faded and ill probably be looking to paint it at some point this summer

[Pank]

i guarantee you that is John Deere Blitz black

[speedgod^s13]

That is pretty nice. But I love clearcoat.

[s14xman]

Believe it or not last week I was spraying satin clear coat. I was restoring a museum plane (c-47 if you care) and we orderd a gloss topcoat instead of the needed satin. So a few phone calls later we had satin clear coat delivered to our hanger. It was easy to spray and came out awsome. Still needed a wet edge though to minimize dry spots. I'll try to get some pics.

[speedgod^s13]

Believe it or not last week I was spraying satin clear coat. I was restoring a museum plane (c-47 if you care) and we orderd a gloss topcoat instead of the needed satin. So a few phone calls later we had satin clear coat delivered to our hanger. It was easy to spray and came out awsome. Still needed a wet edge though to minimize dry spots. I'll try to get some pics.

Wow, I wonder how that looks. Sounds pretty mean!!!! I wonder how a satin yellow, with clear would look. Damn, now i'm getting ideas.

[s14xman]

^^ well the topcoat was gloss, and then we sprayed the satin clear coat over it and it flattend out, it looked mean as hell!

[UfoZ8myCow]

When you clean a satin paint job like that, is there a different process? I feel like you probably wouldnt want to wax it or anything. Id kind of like to do a satin black on my convertible once i finish on the bodywork.

[Matej]

Do they make satin red? Haha. :)

[2iv0 sx]

Looks so smoooooth

I like a lot! Nice Mehsilvia

[ThatGuy]

There is a link already posted in this thread that shows you EXACTLY where you can buy a good satin paint, and all the color options available. There are even metallic satin's.

[Nachtmensch]

Do they make satin red? Haha. :)

yup, my friend just did satin green. (took a hint from That Guy) :love:

http://a321.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/56/l_9c925a7802bb304ea83ee9ba83325570.jpg

http://a49.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_2cc35132018149bac7e7334f67580940.jpg

still needs some sanding.

[ThatGuy]

Imitated but not duplicated. :rawk:

[eastcoastS14]

yeah guys check out that link that nbrindley posted....lookin throught it and they have tons of info and paints in every color

[Ian]

shit is ugly

[Jefferson]

hmmm, a flat/satin 240 I'm curious as to what this might look like when done :zzz:

[mehsilvia]

Hot Rod Flatz (http://www.tcpglobal.com/kustomshop/ksflatz.aspx)

Is exactly what i used.
Waxing, washing and other care is no different than any other finish. They do also offer a clear to cover the flatz paints, though i didnt see the need to go that way. As you can see in the pics, there is a nice sheen. And the finish in that pic was not sanded or buffed. Truly an awesome product and I cant wait to see someone do one of the metallic flatz.

[eastcoastS14]

^^what color paint is did you use? i think i would have to go with twilight black metallic

[A Spec Products]

Flat paint jobs aren't my thing.

I need clear coat on a car.

Just my personal preference.

[mehsilvia]

^^what color paint is did you use? i think i would have to go with twilight black metallic

Hot Rod HRF 201
"Hot Rod" that old-school look is what i was looking for. Its amazing how many drivers at the last track event were interested in flat finishes on their cars as well. You can imagine how its alot easier to spot/repair a flat finish.

[UfoZ8myCow]

http://a49.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_2cc35132018149bac7e7334f67580940.jpg

Yeah but the problem with this is that it looks all splotchy. Look at that S14 posted above and the EVO in the original post... Not one bit of that. Makes it look cheap and shitty when you have that going on.

[PBucch]

http://a49.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_2cc35132018149bac7e7334f67580940.jpg

Yeah but the problem with this is that it looks all splotchy. Look at that S14 posted above and the EVO in the original post... Not one bit of that. Makes it look cheap and shitty when you have that going on.

Tword, that is the difference between a gun and rattlecan.

[eastcoastS14]

any paint guys know how much a shop would charge for this type of paint job?

[skynyrd2290]

hot hues make a black that looks alot like that. its call Hot Rod Black i painted my engine bay that color. it looks pretty good.

and it would probably be cheaper cause you dont spray clear over it

[forum04pl]

yeah ask him and let me kno....does he paint at a shop or just on the side? either way ask him if hed be willing to paint my car...my new 240 is pretty faded and ill probably be looking to paint it at some point this summer

he paints at an autobody but does alot of side work to make some extra cash. let me know when your looking to paint it im sure i can have him do it for cheap.

[zenki-217]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/217zenki/Picture016.jpg
Thats my car its satin black.. It also forsale so Buy it.

[eastcoastS14]

he paints at an autobody but does alot of side work to make some extra cash. let me know when your looking to paint it im sure i can have him do it for cheap.

yeah i will definitely do that...it will probably be in a while cause i need to go back to work and im thinking about doing a kouki conversion too so i need to get all those parts, let me know what he'd charge to mount a kit and paint the car

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/217zenki/Picture016.jpg
Thats my car its satin black.. It also forsale so Buy it.

^^ yeah i saw your car in the FS section...looks badass, thats kinda what got me thinkin about this and reminded me of that evo...hope you dont mind if i bite your style....also what paint did you use???

[Snoopy]

What about flat or satin white? If a rattle can job is sanded does it come to the same effect?

[ThatGuy]

Again, click the links in the thread if you want to know what colors are available. Rattlecan will NOT give you the same results.

[Pank]

you have to buy flat paint, sanding gloss paint wont do it.

if you want cheap black, get that hot rod flatz, or john deere blitz black, spray it on. drive your car.

done

[OperationSr20]

Satin Black Sil80... He's a member on here, wonder why he hasn't chimed in yet.... These pictures are old, just had them in my photobucket. If you were to rate the age of them, in terms he would understand, is 3 sets of rims ago, lol....

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/Xx_Eclipsekid_xX/288399941_e4caf39db3_b.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/Xx_Eclipsekid_xX/i-285558130_b0e539817f_b.jpg

[street240]

Do you have access to a maaco. they could do a flat black for cheap...

[SochBAT]

I hate it.

Gloss > satin finish ANYDAY.

If i could, i'd rock good shiny paint anyday. It just looks a bit jankier with satin.

[S14Josh]

Satin looks cool in certain colors.

I've always liked the satin blue kawasaki uses on the ninjas
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/2006/146_2006_01_wl+2006_kawasaki_zx6r+blue_static.jpg

[anotherblusi]

I think people are a bit confused. You guys need to realize that there is a difference between a professional satin black paint job vs a rattle can job. A good satin black paint job will roughly cost the same as a normal paint job if not more. Just because your painting the car a satin or flat black doesn't necessarily mean its a cheaper paint job. You can easily see the difference between a professional satin black paint vs rattlecan.

I can't really tell from the pictures but the evo looks to be a professional job, which is why it looks so clean and even, all the other posted look to be rattlecan which is why the color looks a bit uneven and splotchy.

[drifting_changed_mylife]

the paint i ill but im not to sure about the white walls but :gives:

[s13coupedrfter]

Yup, it's called hotrod black and I got it on my coupe. Cost me 800 bucks but thats including the body work (had alot of little dings). Sorry no pics yet. The only problem with the paint is that it's porous so if you wash then dry it with a white or light colored towel you will get lint boogers all over. After wash I jump on the freeway and air dry it.:eek3d:

[krappy]

Satin Black Sil80... He's a member on here, wonder why he hasn't chimed in yet.... These pictures are old, just had them in my photobucket. If you were to rate the age of them, in terms he would understand, is 3 sets of rims ago, lol....

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/Xx_Eclipsekid_xX/288399941_e4caf39db3_b.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/Xx_Eclipsekid_xX/i-285558130_b0e539817f_b.jpg
thats yokotaS13's car isnt it? its just rattle canned i think...

[ThatGuy]

Yes

and

Yes

[forum04pl]

for some reason i am into the flat look on some cars. i saw this oldschool honda a few weeks ago with a super nice flat paint job

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j126/forum04pl/IMG_0193_1408x792.jpg

[Dirty Habit]

Evo: Minus the whitewalls and it would be ok.

The black seems nice on some cars, but I have seen way too many riced out pos's to really like it.

[koukimonster139]

thats yokotaS13's car isnt it? its just rattle canned i think...

for fucks sake has he gotten rid of that wing/ wheels yet?

[ThatGuy]

He got rid of the whole car. He has a Stagea now.


Good Satin paint:
http://www.tcpglobal.com/images/bluegolf.jpghttp://www.tcpglobal.com/images/bluegolfsm.jpg
http://www.tcpglobal.com/images/acme1.jpg
http://www.tcpglobal.com/images/redhrftruck.jpg

Rattlecan does not produce such smooth results.

Please stop comparing a quality satin paintjob to a rattlecan paintjob. They are not the same and do not produce the same reults.

[fromxtor]

Its alot cheaper to do satin or flat. No worries about color-sanding the finish or clear-coat.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Paint/IMG_1293.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Paint/Finished/IMG_1315.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Paint/Finished/IMG_1314.jpg

Hot Rod Flatz (http://www.tcpglobal.com/kustomshop/ksflatz.aspx)

Is exactly what i used.
Waxing, washing and other care is no different than any other finish. They do also offer a clear to cover the flatz paints, though i didnt see the need to go that way. As you can see in the pics, there is a nice sheen. And the finish in that pic was not sanded or buffed. Truly an awesome product and I cant wait to see someone do one of the metallic flatz.

People stop making this a bigger deal than it is, Mehsilvia did it in his garage and I doubt it cost him as much a a pro paintjob.:hammer:

[Snoopy]

Any1 got pics of flat + satin white?

[niSm095]

Satin looks cool in certain colors.

I've always liked the satin blue kawasaki uses on the ninjas
http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/2006/146_2006_01_wl+2006_kawasaki_zx6r+blue_static.jpg

agreed..ever since i saw that on a bike a couple years back...one of the most attractive paintjobs i've ever seen

[BobbyDigi]

http://www.tcpglobal.com/images/redhrftruck.jpg

.

that looks like a slushy, mmmmm

No but really, guys, leave the satin paintjobs to ratrods... they dont belong anywhere else

[ThatGuy]

All Rat Rods, Hot Rods, Street Rods, etc. were once just normal cars too. The only difference is "enthusiasts" were constantly pushing the limits and experimenting. I see no problem with this trend carrying over to any other chassis. It all stems from the same passion. Faster, Quicker, Lighter, Louder, whatever.

[Matej]

I love satin colors.
Not that I would paint a car if its paint is in good condition, I love my well-preserved factory paint which somehow stays really reflective, but if my 240 had discolored spots and mismatched body panels, I'd probably go with the satin red.

[eastcoastS14]

yeah i think ive pretty much settled on a satin paint job....set my self appart from other cars....my new 240 is faded pretty bad so ill be in need of a change

[zenki-217]

Ive seen alot of big failure jobs using cans.. On more then average u arent gonna get the intended look with cans.. My car is not photoshopped and was done with cans... BUT I know how to use a can alittle better then the average joe.. I use to blaze nonstop when I was younger. I would not recomend a can job on anyones car it usually turns out like shit... I just did it to my car because I have confidence in my can skills and because I needed a quick fix since I just did a kouki conversion... I plan on after a differnt hood and s14 wing to actually paint it another color using house of kolors paint and I will be doing that myself also.

[Eyemfaster]

All Rat Rods, Hot Rods, Street Rods, etc. were once just normal cars too. The only difference is "enthusiasts" were constantly pushing the limits and experimenting. I see no problem with this trend carrying over to any other chassis. It all stems from the same passion. Faster, Quicker, Lighter, Louder, whatever.

i agree. the flat black just makes it look like you want to use your money elsewhere instead of dropping huge cash on a paint job. one question though, i didn't see it in this thread yet..... how exactly do you wash satin/ flat painted cars without scratching the paint?

[ThatGuy]

Well, it's not really any cheaper then a gloss paintjob. So that analogy doesn't completely work. Sorry.

Second, a good satin paintjob can be washed the same as any other paintjob. Rattlecan paintjobs will fade with washing, put a real paintjob with a satin base and satin clear coat are maintianed just like a normal gloss paintjob. I don't have experience with say a carnuba wax on satin, but washing is the same. Soap, Water, Sponge, Elbow Grease.

[Taiden]

John Deere Blitz Black on a BMW 325ix. Looks great imo, I bet it would look better on a 240sx though. :)

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7218/1261r2nl3.jpg

Step by step from: http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/john-deere-blitz-black-31993-23.html

I believe it was sprayed with a 1.5 hp compressor and a CH gravity feed gun. You can also get the exact same paint in rattle can so you can touch up your battle scars. :)

Edit: how come the IMG tags are broken?

[ThatGuy]

Image tags aren't broken. Photobucket sucks.

I rehosted your picture on www.imageshack.us.

[Taiden]

I usually use imageshack, but I just copied it from the original thread. Thanks for rehosting it for me. :)

[brainfood]

hot rod black.. its semigloss

[ThatGuy]

More inspirational pictures, from SEMA.
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/774/600009flatgz5.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8841/600011flatkc6.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/797/600025flatxl5.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9568/600001flatte3.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1451/600014flatam2.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1928/600016flateo7.jpg

My Favorite, for obvious reasons. Look up the build up if you have time. Amazing car all around.
Hot Rod Magazine's 1973 Camaro: "F-Bomb"
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1664/600002flatuf6.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3238/600007flatlg6.jpg

[SlowCoupe]

http://www.free-proxy.co.uk/uploader/files/2/bat3.jpg

http://www.free-proxy.co.uk/uploader/files/2/bat5.jpg

http://www.free-proxy.co.uk/uploader/files/2/bat4.jpg

me personally i would never do it to a Benz, but a 240? why the hell not.

[!Zar!]

Flat black on cars = fail.

lol at people who try and make excuses.

[eastcoastS14]

oh man that benz in sick....its settled satin black it is...but keep the pics comin...the more pics i see the more i want to get my car painted

[Arruda]

I never liked flat colours....but this satin shit...woah. beautiful

[struka]

cant believe i missed this... thats my car on the 2nd post.
the way i painted mine is, its a two stage paint and no clear,had it for sometime and the paint holds up well, doesnt scratch that easy....

here are some more pics of my car.... (one thing...haters will hate...)
http://photos-sf2p.pe.facebook.com/v73/6/117/52700882/n52700882_30690076_692.jpg
http://photos-sf2p.pe.facebook.com/v73/6/117/52700882/n52700882_30690079_1507.jpg
http://photos-sf2p.pe.facebook.com/v73/6/117/52700882/n52700882_30690080_1776.jpg
http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v71/6/117/52700882/n52700882_30690124_1041.jpg
http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v71/6/117/52700882/n52700882_30690090_5635.jpg
http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v71/6/117/52700882/n52700882_30690091_5963.jpg

[fromxtor]

More inspirational pictures, from SEMA.
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1664/600002flatuf6.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3238/600007flatlg6.jpg

Barry thats you all the way brother.:bigok:

[ms!3]

imo flat or gloss, satin looks like shit.

[utahdrifter]

i saw this at GT Live, is this a rattle can job or satin?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/gigglesnirt/DSCF1494.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/gigglesnirt/DSCF1495.jpg

[ThatGuy]

#1. I highly doubt anyone would actually rattlecan a Porsche racecar.

#2. It looks to be better quality then rattlecan.

[PBucch]

i saw this at GT Live, is this a rattle can job or satin?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/gigglesnirt/DSCF1494.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/gigglesnirt/DSCF1495.jpg

Satin refers to the finish, not the method of application, WTF dude?