Everyone please help me... (new guy)

[NIZMO]

hello everyone im new and i need a LOT of help. i have a few questions so please bear with me:

1- ok first off is it possible to swap an sr22det from an S15 silvia into a 1993 u.s. spec 240sx?  this is something that i am VERY interested in doing. if so what EXACTLY does it entail?

2- if it is possible how much power can i wring out of this thing? whats it gonna take to get it to that point?

3- where can i look to get one and have it shipped here without too much trouble?

4- i it is not possible answer all of he above instead with a sr20det in place of the newer model- i have seen one going for 1500 bux- should i buy it?

5- where can i find wider wheels to go with my wide body kit?

thanx for bearing with the dumb questions folks please get back to me <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[s14vaxlr8]

1. &nbsp;with many mods, its not a direct bolt in like the redtop sr20

2. 900hp, i dont know
3. &nbsp;heavythrottle and unstable hybrids , casue your going to loose the sr22 idea and just get a rt sr20

4. um ...yeah
5. wheelmax.com, &nbsp;precision installations.com

[S13Grl]

Personally, I'm not a big fan of SR motors, but by choice, I say you should go for the 2-liter. Parts availability is much higher, and some parts are even shared with the SR20DE motors found in Nissan Sentras here, so if something &quot;common&quot; broke, you wouldn't have too much trouble.

Internals on these motors are made to handle turbo applications, however, they are all-aluminum. I don't think the crankshaft can handle the 900-hp application. The KA crankshaft is cast iron and it breaks above 400-hp. I'd say you can do up to 300 on stock internals... I may be full of crap. I wouldn't push it past 250-275.

[NIZMO]

well wich mods would i have to perform to make the SR22 attainable? im looking to get 500 to 600 hp is it possible with an sr20? what will it take? i have 10 grand to spend on the engine so...

[drift freaq]

well first off you keep on talking about an SR22. Basically that is not a factory engine . That is a SR20 with a stroker kit . I myself actually prefer the CA18DET. It will rev better than an SR20DET and it has the capability of more horsepower on stock internals.
900 hp are you on crack? Thats like up in the range of Formula one engine's . T.Y. gets 320rwhp out of a stock KA24DE+T and its a daily driver. Signal auto got 597hp out of their Sr22 and they would not even admit everything they did to it. Jun got somewhere around 700 max . 900 is just off the charts and your car would not be that drivable on the street if it all. lets get realistic here . What are plannning on using the car for? Is this your street car?? If its only a race car than shooting for high horsepower like that could make some sense . &nbsp;You should think about this seriously when you get into such high horsepower range you shorten your engine life . Its a fact . Race engines are designed to get maximum power with the idea that it will be rebuilt within one or two races. &nbsp;
good luck

[240racer]

It would seem to me if you were really looking only for max horsepower (which isn't always ideal) that you need an engine that can rev high. &nbsp;I don't know much about the CA18DET, but if it can rev higher then the others go with that one. &nbsp;Also there is no replacement for displacement and there is something to be said for 2.4L instead of 1.8 or 2. &nbsp;I would not get a stroker kit if you want peak horsepower, if anything destoke it and rev the crap out of it. &nbsp;That's what they do in F1. &nbsp;Their bore is double their stroke. &nbsp;From what I know, if you have the money and want 500hp use the KA24DE T and turbo it and then add nitrous. &nbsp;You are probably going to need a stand alone ecu like Motec or haltech or something. &nbsp;Expect to rebuild the engine and do a lot of fabrication under the hood. &nbsp;This could get real expensive.

[NIZMO]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from drift freaq on 11:30 am on Jan. 26, 2002
well first off you keep on talking about an SR22. Basically that is not a factory engine . That is a SR20 with a stroker kit . I myself actually prefer the CA18DET. It will rev better than an SR20DET and it has the capability of more horsepower on stock internals.
900 hp are you on crack? Thats like up in the range of Formula one engine's . T.Y. gets 320rwhp out of a stock KA24DE+T and its a daily driver. Signal auto got 597hp out of their Sr22 and they would not even admit everything they did to it. Jun got somewhere around 700 max . 900 is just off the charts and your car would not be that drivable on the street if it all. lets get realistic here . What are plannning on using the car for? Is this your street car?? If its only a race car than shooting for high horsepower like that could make some sense . You should think about this seriously when you get into such high horsepower range you shorten your engine life . Its a fact . Race engines are designed to get maximum power with the idea that it will be rebuilt within one or two races.
good luck
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uhm i never said i wanted 900 horses- if i did i would find a way to put a skyline engine in there (ive seen it done)- anyways what i did say was that i wanted around 500 horses- preferably without nitrous- i mean i plan on blueprinting the whole engine and everything else i just wanted to know if it is reasonably possible. now a ca18det is news to me- whats it out of? this will be a daily driven racer not strictly a track car so what problems lie within that? thank you ^_^

(Edited by NIZMO at 11:58 am on Jan. 26, 2002)

[silk]

i think your starting way ahead of yourself first of all...if you have this many questions for a high power application then you dont know your car well enough. take some time to look around and see what has been done and what can be done.

most people who get into the import scene think that just dropping big bucks and going after horsepower will make them the best. for a car with 500 horses you havnt mentioned anything about a transmission swap..i doubt the stock tranny can handle that power, or a new clutch, suspension(you will be driving fast), etc..

take some time to define what you really want from your 240 then work around that goal. If in the end what you want is the same as what your asking for now then atleast youll know how to go about getting what you want with the knowledge to do it right.

remember you said it yourself..you are a &quot;(new guy)&quot;

The SR22DET info on Stupid Street is wrong... SR are available from Nissan in only two displacement. SR18DE, and SR20DE/T.

The SR22DET is a stroker engine. I'm willing to bet that motor has atleast $10k worth of work and hardware in it.

For $8k, it's been demonstrated by a KAT in Texas to put out 600hp with big turbo and nitrous.

[NIZMO]

KAT? where can i get a hold of them or do they have a website? now im not new to the scene or building performance cars i just dont have any experience with the 240sx- ive been interested in one because id like the performance of my 300zx in a lighter car with a more forgiving transmission- anyways you still havent told me about the ca18 is it the engine from the old 200sx? thanx folks

[jay]

If you have 1-0 grand to spend on a motor then go with an S15 SR and build the #### out it or get an RB25DET or RB26DETT, I am sure you could attain your goals with one of those two. And as silk said, horsepower isn't the only think that will make your car faster.

[NIZMO]

jay- how would i go about putting an rb26dett or rb25 in there? i have seen this done but it looks like a #### of a project. the rb25 is rear wheel drive isnt it? theres gotta be trouble with the rb26 since its meant for 4- the drivetrain and all that would be trouble...anyways could you direct me somewhere with info on that swap? thanx- oh and yes i know that power isnt everything but i need just enough to hang with some of the cars out here in vegas ^_^

(Edited by NIZMO at 7:10 pm on Jan. 26, 2002)

[drift freaq]

Nizmo, number one people are right take a little time to learn about your car don't just ask questions and then dump money in.
Ok the CA18DET was the original 180sx engine. that is the S13 hatch in Japan. Next the KAT in what D21 beater referred to. Is a KA24DE with a Turbo. That is a factory 91 and up engine for our cars here in the States with a Turbo on it. Very respectable horsepower has been pulled out of that setup as was previously stated. If you want lots of torque and Horsepower you can't go to wrong with a KAT . If you like revs a bit more then your going to fall into the SR20DET/CA18DET camp. Now there are different opinions on all three of these engines . That is why you need to educate yourself on them so you can make the proper decision based on your desires for power. These three setups IMHO would be a lot wiser for someone like you rather than trying to stick an RB25 or 26 in your car. Its very costly to do for one and to get more horses it will cost you a lot more. Don't make it hard on yourself your a rookie take it slowly . Get a SR, CA &nbsp;swap or KA Turbo upgrade under your belt before even thinking down the RB road. People are right don't get ahead of yourself . &nbsp;
hope this helps

[Takumi]

It would be a terrible shame to spend all the money trying to make the car go fast and have impressive dyno tunes only to get your ass kicked just because you haven't truely learned how to efficiently drive your car. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

I know people wanna search for ways to go faster, but the best way to truely know how to go faster is to drive the car and figure out what needs improvement. A good driver that wins with great driving and minimal modifications goes a long way. Keep this in mind, the more modifications, the bigger the expectations from yourself and anyone you're going up against out there. I'm just saying this before you start blindly planning and dumping money into something without a more realistic goal only to find yourself going about this the wrong way.

[silk]

hey, i hope i didnt come off as an A$$hole, but i know what its like to get your hopes up for the greatest 240 and its all perfect in your mind; unfortunately (or maybe i just have bad luck) things never seem to work out like they did in my head, now that ive had to slow things down, ive seen a number of different options and come down to reality(a little). either way i wish you the best of luck, and hope to see another diehard 240 fan in you.

...and patience(is that how you spell it?) is one #### of a virtue. time seems to be something everyone wants more of, but in the long run, its something we have alot of.

[NIZMO]

well i gotta say thanx to everyone that gave me a response- well torque is a major issue with my teammates and mechanic- now you guys said the KA24 is the best for torque right? well how much torque can i wring out of the lil guy? one of my teammates told me you can bore it out a lil more and get great low end- what can i do to improve torque on the other engines listed? thanx again

[drift freaq]

As far as Torque on your KA is concerned stock its got great Torque for a 4 cylinder. I would not bore it much it is pretty big bore stock . I &nbsp;mean , 2.4 is a a big 4!! Anyways it sounds like your most likely &nbsp;headed for a KA+T. The SR swap will not give you as much Torque IMHO unless you start upgrading the Turbo on it etc....
Just slap a Turbo setup on a low mileage KA or fresh rebuild KA and your gonna be good for anywhere from 200rwhp to 318 rwhp. with a Stage 1or 2 setup. Go stage 3 and like D21 said your gonna be looking at up to 400-500rwp depending on your stage 3 mods and all these will have gobs of Torque. Gobs??? hhhhm gloopy piles of Torque hahahahahahaha

[sspikey]

listen if youve ever been in any car with 300+ Wheel horsepower you will see you dont want anymore. on the street 450 at the wheels is my limit. 500 is just too much even 450 maybe if you went to the track every week yes that would be worth it but forget about putin that much power down. you will have to get clutches that engage really hard, your tires will be getting used up really fast the first couple of weeks till you really get the hand of the car,transmission will always be a bitch to have fixed. and just imagine things like gas. i dont know about you but i could never be able to drive a car with that much hp and keep my license. im already speeding way too much with a pathfinder and civic. hey stick in the ca or sr20det see if thats powerful enough for you if not keep on going till you see its enough.

[silk]

if your lookin to do alot of work with the Ka, Chris May (who runs 240sx.org for atlanta) is pushin, i think, a little over 400 hp out of his KA with a T3/T4 hybrid turbo. so im pretty sure he can offer a few tips. just check out the site www.240sx.org/atlanta . youll be able to see his car there too. the site may still say 325hp but he pushed the turbo a lil farther for nopi.

now thats not his daily driver, and most of the cash came from his business i think. but he can definatly help you out, no question about that.

go to owners gallery, s14 coupe, and chris..there you will see pics, a list of mods, and a short interesting story about what he dealt with, with his KA...now i love the ka so im not trying to scare you away (when you read the story youll understand), but his motor had over 100k on it. so i think if you have a low mileage ka in good condition you wont have to go through what he did.



(Edited by silk at 3:45 pm on Jan. 27, 2002)

[NIZMO]

well after listening to everyone here and around town i think i will go wtih the S15 SR- it seems to have the balance between power and torques that id like plus hey i dont think anyone else here (vegas) has done this swap yet- i have talked to the guys at signal auto and im waiting for more details from them- anyways if you all have anything more to contribute please feel free ^_^