C's short shift with tomei duracon shiftknob

[speedgod^s13]

Is anyone else running this combo? If so, does your shifter sit really high? I currently have this setup, and was going to buy a pimpin new shiftboot. I thought, I should ask this first, just in case. Because, I may just have to buy a new short shift kit, if I can't find the solution to this problem. I don't think my shiftknob, has that much to do with it. Also, i'm pretty sure I installed it correctly, since I have been driving it for a long time. Shifts are crisp, and short. Just don't get why it sits so high.

[Ian]

Because it's a full length shifter opposed to a shorter shifter...


It'll be fine

[bigOdom1]

also depending on the knob it may sit higher due to its design

[ronmcdon]

Because it's a full length shifter opposed to a shorter shifter...


It'll be fine

Hmmm is the C's the similar to the nismo shifter? I know the nismo is about the same shift distance as stock. i wonder if this is any coincidence.

Sorry to get somewhat ot, but i'm actually looking for a new shifter with stock throw distances. initially i was set on the nismo shifter. however, it seems like the C's are a bit cheaper than the Nismo units. if thats the case, the C's would prob be a better buy.

back on topic. to the OT, try throwing back on your stock shift knob onto the C's shifter and see if that helps. At the very least you'll find out whether it was the new shiftknob or the actual shifter (or a bit of both) that contributes to the height of the overall shifter setup. BTW - thanks a lot for the info! coincidently, i happen to be very interested in long shifter, and i like the idea of rubber based shiftknob. one man's trash is another's treasure I guess.

[Ian]

Hmmm is the C's the similar to the nismo shifter? I know the nismo is about the same shift distance as stock. i wonder if this is any coincidence.

Sorry to get somewhat ot, but i'm actually looking for a new shifter with stock throw distances. initially i was set on the nismo shifter. however, it seems like the C's are a bit cheaper than the Nismo units. if thats the case, the C's would prob be a better buy.

back on topic. to the OT, try throwing back on your stock shift knob onto the C's shifter and see if that helps. At the very least you'll find out whether it was the new shiftknob or the actual shifter (or a bit of both) that contributes to the height of the overall shifter setup. BTW - thanks a lot for the info! coincidently, i happen to be very interested in long shifter, and i like the idea of rubber based shiftknob. one man's trash is another's treasure I guess.

get a stock shifter

[upSLIDEdown]

C's shifter is a short throw shifter. NISMO is stock throw, with a more solid feel. Both are the same physical height as stock. Most "short shifters" will shorten the throw, but the physical height will be the same. You could always cut the shaft down shorter, although you may have to turn the big bulge down on a lathe and rethread it, and that may be more work than you want to do.

[C. Senor]

if you really want a short shifter hieght you can try the b&m shifter with the leather nismo shift knob...used to have that and it was pretty ****** short. atleast for me.

[ronmcdon]

C's shifter is a short throw shifter. NISMO is stock throw, with a more solid feel. Both are the same physical height as stock. Most "short shifters" will shorten the throw, but the physical height will be the same. You could always cut the shaft down shorter, although you may have to turn the big bulge down on a lathe and rethread it, and that may be more work than you want to do.

thank you for illustrating the mechanism so clearly. I think I know exactly what you mean by now. I will look for the nismo instead of the C's, as I wish to retain the stock shifting distances (along with the more solid feel, prob from the stiffer nismo shifter bushings). so much for saving a few bucks, lol.

[JDMClifford]

i have an ebay shifter, same hight as stock just amore machanical feel ans shorter throw.

[ronmcdon]

get a stock shifter

what I'd like to know is how the stock shifter differs from the nismo unit. ppl frequently note on different threads and merchant sites that the nismo shifter is somehow more 'solid', while retaining close (if not exact) to oem shift distances. my guess is that the difference is prob due to stiffer bushings, or it could be just psychological.

It may not be very scientific, but it prob choosing the Nismo shifter is the safest choice. at the very least, it can't be worse than stock. note that I haven't actually purchased or decided on a shifter yet. im still discussing what I plan to replace my worn out sloppy shifter with. nismo seems to be the best bet so far.

The HKS shift return spring kit seems like an interesting gimmick to play with too, as it seems to allow the user to adjust the degree of stiffness for the shifter feel. its a shame its kinda pricey, but maybe I'll check it out;
http://www.frsport.com/HKS_27006_AN001_Shift_Return_Spring_Kit_SR20DET_p_ 1353.html

[apexhumper]

Thread jacking mode: On

just curious, is the C's shifter worth the extra mula over the B&M? I've been thinking about getting it, I keep reading it's the best one but dont know anyone running it so not sure. Any info would be great. Thanks.

Thread jacking: Off :2f2f:

[Full-Lock]

i heard the b&m rattles a lot..but i dunno

dont quote me on that

[tacotacotaco]

My friend has a b&m and it sounds like theres a buzzard in his car.

[ronmcdon]

Thread jacking mode: On

just curious, is the C's shifter worth the extra mula over the B&M? I've been thinking about getting it, I keep reading it's the best one but dont know anyone running it so not sure. Any info would be great. Thanks.

Thread jacking: Off :2f2f:

was that a typo? I was under the impression that B&M's were more expesive than the C's. i thought the C's was around $190, while the B&M's were around $240. Which happens to be better is a matter of personal preference. get in touch with ppl who have them and decide for yourself. I had the chance to mess with someone's Nismo shifter and I liked it very much.

[apexhumper]

Well I'm looking for a short shifter, from what I read in this thread the Nismo is stock shift throw isnt it?

[speedgod^s13]

I have heard good, and bad things about the B&M short shifter. Even with their newest version, I heard it's still noisy, at certain rpm's/speed. I'm very happy with my c's. The shifting, is precise, and crisp. Also, my tomei duracon shiftknob is ftw action. It doesn't heat up, even when it's sitting in direct sunlight. Get's warm, but nothing more. The only reason I brought this up, is because I was thinking, that it would look funny with the new shiftboot. Since, it seems longer than stock, an inch, or inch and a half would be sticking past the boot, not including the shift knob. Oh well, i'll just get the boot, and see how it looks. Off topic, but I am looking for some parts. I only got the rubber accordian, piece, that surrounds the shifter, from the tranny. I need everything else, that goes from the tranny, to the shifter, including all the bolts.

[C. Senor]

haha the b&m is awesome....its ridiculously short and somewhat notchy. and yes it does vibrate at high rpms. on my car it vibrates above 5000. but its a small price to pay for the shortness of the throw.

[jspecusa]

I replace the metal shiftnob from the B&M shifter to a nismo plastic one and it doesn't vibrate anymore.
Plus I don't get burn or freeze when I shift during summer/winter.

[sideview_180sx]

jspecusa is the man......he knows what he is talking about.

[jspecusa]

"sharing is caring"
share your experience and let other learn from it.
I think there should be more thread on useful topics like
"favorite tool while working on s chasis"
"tips and tricks you learn while owning your car"
"what not to do list"
"to do list"
"favorite brand of xoxoxo and why"

[ronmcdon]

Well I'm looking for a short shifter, from what I read in this thread the Nismo is stock shift throw isnt it?

yeah that does appear to be the consensus' decision. I tried searching about this before. I haven't read that anyone had actually measured and compared the throw distances, but if there is any difference its prob negligible for the most part.

[apexhumper]

was that a typo? I was under the impression that B&M's were more expesive than the C's. i thought the C's was around $190, while the B&M's were around $240. Which happens to be better is a matter of personal preference. get in touch with ppl who have them and decide for yourself. I had the chance to mess with someone's Nismo shifter and I liked it very much.

I've actually seen the exact opposite, B&M for about $180 or so and C's for almost $300

Isn't the C's also discontinued?

[speedgod^s13]

I've actually seen the exact opposite, B&M for about $180 or so and C's for almost $300

Isn't the C's also discontinued?

Yeah, i'm pretty sure the C's has been discontiued for a while now. I don't care how good a shifter is, but if it makes noise, I ain't buying it. Guess i'm sticking with the JDMness for nowl :naughty:

[ManoNegra]

C's are considered some of the best shifters in the business. BM is a copy of the C's.

[C. Senor]

^sounds about right. i still love my b&m though.

[Phlip]

"best" is a matter of subjective opinion, really.
Some like C's, some like OBX (God, why?) and some just like their soft quiet stockers (PM me if you want to buy one for $cheap.99).
My opinion? B&M, and if the rattle is a problem, turn the radio up.
I have ALSO found that there is a specific shifter floating about ebay that is a knockoff of the B&M, boasting the SAME shift feel, appearance and (yes, also) that rattle. No one has complained of failures or questionable build quality, I know of a couple of other people ON THIS SITE using it...
I had a $200something B&M in my S14 before I cartwheeled it, I sold it after the fact, I have that knockoff in my S13 and I cannot for the life of me figure out why I paid 3 times what I paid for this one for an identically performing B&M.
My knob is a custom one, link below the photo in my signature for details on that.

[JDS Performance]

I have the ebay B&M knock off - I love it minus the buzzing and rattling - its really bad at high RPM - numbs your hand while it rattles your hand - but I am using the metal shift knob it comes with too - a Nismo knob would help this.

I read a while back about fixing the rattling but cant seem to find it now? it may have been on another site?

Also you need the stock shifters plastic piece on the bottom that goes into the hole of the stricker arm - as the one that comes with the knock off shifter wont fit into the hole.

Agrees with "PHLIP" 100%

[jspecusa]

C's are considered some of the best shifters in the business. BM is a copy of the C's.

If you put B&M and C's side by side they are not even close.
B&M developed the shifter on MAV1178's s13 then test fitted on Kyle's S14, final version went on my old yellow s13.
I've been at their headquarter many times, they have real engineer there that does R&D for them.
I gave them test run up and down De soto so they can figure out the noise problem, I told them just get rid of the metal shiftknob which I did later.
B&M is my favorite shifter as well, but I can't justify paying over $200 for one.
To me, you should only spend a certain amount on a car(it's totally waste of money) and use it on useful mods then expensive name brand stuff(cough ARC).

[slapinfunk]

My C's shifter with NISMO GT-TI shift knob sits and shifts just fine ;)

[Dousan_PG]

i use an Uras
shits awesome
slightly shorter
solid!
and sits stock heights
its the best

my friend drove my car once
and ordered it.

[speedgod^s13]

i use an Uras
shits awesome
slightly shorter
solid!
and sits stock heights
its the best

my friend drove my car once
and ordered it.

How much do those run for?

[ManoNegra]

If you put B&M and C's side by side they are not even close.
B&M developed the shifter on MAV1178's s13 then test fitted on Kyle's S14, final version went on my old yellow s13.
I've been at their headquarter many times, they have real engineer there that does R&D for them.
I gave them test run up and down De soto so they can figure out the noise problem, I told them just get rid of the metal shiftknob which I did later.
B&M is my favorite shifter as well, but I can't justify paying over $200 for one.
To me, you should only spend a certain amount on a car(it's totally waste of money) and use it on useful mods then expensive name brand stuff(cough ARC).

You're probably right, I've had my C's since ~2000 or so when they were still in business. It's the version with the allen bolts and plates to hold it in place. Wasn't much to choose from then besides the Nismo one which isn't much of an improvement on the OEM one.

[Dousan_PG]

How much do those run for?

i dont reemmber
ive had mine for like 1.5 years at least

check the uras website

[apexhumper]

So since the B&M is supposedly a direct copy of the C's, does the C's rattle the same as the B&M? Anyone have experience?

[Monkey Boy]

So since the B&M is supposedly a direct copy of the C's, does the C's rattle the same as the B&M? Anyone have experience?

wow you should read the posts above. they are not even close, and very obviously not the same. my friend was actually testing the b&m copy and had some issues with it but the newer version looks exactly like my b&m.
i guess nobody mentioned that megan makes the b&m copy, well it looks like it in the pictures.
i did research before buying one cuz i don't like the stock throw and feel, b&m is pricey but if you can get it at a good price it is well worth it. it all boils down to, that if you can afford it get the b&m, get it. if not then you got some decisions to make.

[apexhumper]

wow you should read the posts above. they are not even close, and very obviously not the same. my friend was actually testing the b&m copy and had some issues with it but the newer version looks exactly like my b&m.
i guess nobody mentioned that megan makes the b&m copy, well it looks like it in the pictures.
i did research before buying one cuz i don't like the stock throw and feel, b&m is pricey but if you can get it at a good price it is well worth it. it all boils down to, that if you can afford it get the b&m, get it. if not then you got some decisions to make.

I did read those posts, but even though some said they're not the same noboy mentioned wether the C's made the rattle or any other type of noise or not, that's what I was trying to figure out, not if they look/are the same. I have plenty of rattles in my car already, don't need anymore.

[speedgod^s13]

I did read those posts, but even though some said they're not the same noboy mentioned wether the C's made the rattle or any other type of noise or not, that's what I was trying to figure out, not if they look/are the same. I have plenty of rattles in my car already, don't need anymore.

My c's doesn't rattle at all. Everything else in my car does, but not my shifter.

[ManoNegra]

So since the B&M is supposedly a direct copy of the C's, does the C's rattle the same as the B&M? Anyone have experience?

No rattle whatsoever from the shifter.

[Monkey Boy]

I did read those posts, but even though some said they're not the same noboy mentioned wether the C's made the rattle or any other type of noise or not, that's what I was trying to figure out, not if they look/are the same. I have plenty of rattles in my car already, don't need anymore.

well then you should have just posted the question if c's rattled or not. in your post you said:

"since the B&M is supposedly a direct copy of the C's, does the C's rattle the same as the B&M? Anyone have experience?"

i was just telling you that it is not a direct copy. so the rattle would most probably not be there since they are not even the same.

[OperationSr20]

Ask and you shall receive:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/Xx_Eclipsekid_xX/Tomei/Cs001.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/Xx_Eclipsekid_xX/Tomei/Cs002.jpg

C's Version 1 Short Shifter w/ Short Tomei Duraon Shift Knob. I purchased this a long while ago, when I still had my first 240sx. It was some time before I got the chance to install it, and unfortunatly didn't really get to use it that much before I decided to part the 240 out, but was sure to keep the shifter ;). I have my new 240 now and am awaiting my RedlineGoods.com Shift Boot, which is 1.2" shorter to sit better with the shorter shifter, untill I install it again. Soon!

I have not driven a car with a B&M Short Shifter so I can not do a direct comparison, but from what I have heard the B&M Short Shifter has some bad buzzing at High RPM's (~5000+). My C's has absolutely no buzzing, from Idle to Redline, nothing. The all around quality is great, I enjoy it very much. The 240's have a 20% shorter throw, as compared to stock, I believe it was. A very nice, and noticeable, difference none the less. I can't wait to get it installed again.

I found C's official site a while back, when the discussion came up on another forum, when they were believed to be discontinued. I swore I listed the link in my post, but I guess I was mistaken. Well regardless, the site I found had just about ALL their shifters listed at $400.00, from RPS13 to Supra to Skyline. I tried doing some more searching just now, but was not able to find anyone that is selling them, so I am assuming they're officially discontinued. nengun.com appeared to have them for S14/S15 Sr20DeT (Can also work for Ka/Rb, right?), and they were runnin' at $175.00-$180.00, but don't appear to have any left in stock.

All 'n all, If you can find yourself a C's Short Shifter, buy it and don't think twice about it. B&M appears to be a great shifter, and I had planned on getting one myself, but after looking into the C's, I felt it would be a slightly better shifter. As I said, I haven't used B&M, so I can't do a direct comparison. Also, based on research, one of the clinchers from people purchasing C's over B&M, is mainly that C's doesn't have the high RPM buzzing that most have. Ok, that is alot, I am done. Hope it helped.

Ok, I lied. The Tomei Duracon Shift Knob is very nice knob. Although it is not a weighted shift knob, the plus behind it is that it does not get hot, not even a 1* rise in temperature while sitting in direct sunlight. Felt, since it was specified, I would throw that in there.

[Gnnr]

Supposedly the rattle stops (for the B&M and knockoffs) if you remove the center piece.

Or you can try this method and see if it works.

Short Shifter Rattle Fix (http://forums.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=150410)

For anyone interested. ;)

[SochBAT]

B&M had 2 versions, V1, and V2, respectively.

V1 had the vibro problem, V2 addressed it, and is nice and neat.

I had the v2 with no qualms about rattling or anything.

To my understanding, B&M > C's in terms of quality parts, and assembly. Maybe its just me, but the C's my buddies had in their cars felt like monkey shit.

[apexhumper]

So does the C's work with the Ka too? I saw the page on nengun.com and it said it was for SR

[speedgod^s13]

Ask and you shall receive:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/Xx_Eclipsekid_xX/Tomei/Cs001.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/Xx_Eclipsekid_xX/Tomei/Cs002.jpg

C's Version 1 Short Shifter w/ Short Tomei Duraon Shift Knob. I purchased this a long while ago, when I still had my first 240sx. It was some time before I got the chance to install it, and unfortunatly didn't really get to use it that much before I decided to part the 240 out, but was sure to keep the shifter ;). I have my new 240 now and am awaiting my RedlineGoods.com Shift Boot, which is 1.2" shorter to sit better with the shorter shifter, untill I install it again. Soon!

I have not driven a car with a B&M Short Shifter so I can not do a direct comparison, but from what I have heard the B&M Short Shifter has some bad buzzing at High RPM's (~5000+). My C's has absolutely no buzzing, from Idle to Redline, nothing. The all around quality is great, I enjoy it very much. The 240's have a 20% shorter throw, as compared to stock, I believe it was. A very nice, and noticeable, difference none the less. I can't wait to get it installed again.

I found C's official site a while back, when the discussion came up on another forum, when they were believed to be discontinued. I swore I listed the link in my post, but I guess I was mistaken. Well regardless, the site I found had just about ALL their shifters listed at $400.00, from RPS13 to Supra to Skyline. I tried doing some more searching just now, but was not able to find anyone that is selling them, so I am assuming they're officially discontinued. nengun.com appeared to have them for S14/S15 Sr20DeT (Can also work for Ka/Rb, right?), and they were runnin' at $175.00-$180.00, but don't appear to have any left in stock.

All 'n all, If you can find yourself a C's Short Shifter, buy it and don't think twice about it. B&M appears to be a great shifter, and I had planned on getting one myself, but after looking into the C's, I felt it would be a slightly better shifter. As I said, I haven't used B&M, so I can't do a direct comparison. Also, based on research, one of the clinchers from people purchasing C's over B&M, is mainly that C's doesn't have the high RPM buzzing that most have. Ok, that is alot, I am done. Hope it helped.

Ok, I lied. The Tomei Duracon Shift Knob is very nice knob. Although it is not a weighted shift knob, the plus behind it is that it does not get hot, not even a 1* rise in temperature while sitting in direct sunlight. Felt, since it was specified, I would throw that in there.

I didn't know there was a version 1/version 2 c's. Your shiftknob, doesn't lookg any shorter, but your setup is noticeably shorter height than mines. What gives?

[SochBAT]

So does the C's work with the Ka too? I saw the page on nengun.com and it said it was for SR

KA/SR = same same.

[speedgod^s13]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/vietladin/IMG_0375.jpg

This is how high, my shiftknob sits.

[Raysurc]

i have a friend who currently has a b&m short shifter and he loooooves it. i asked him if it rattles and he said it doesnt. i played with it myself and its pretty damn short and notchy(some people like that).

what im wondering is if it rattles because people dont put on the top two screws that hold the shifter in place. from what i read, people just leave those two unscrewed because they're lazy to move the transmission axle down. im about to get a b&m shifter. Unless anyone is selling a C's?

[speedgod^s13]

i have a friend who currently has a b&m short shifter and he loooooves it. i asked him if it rattles and he said it doesnt. i played with it myself and its pretty damn short and notchy(some people like that).

what im wondering is if it rattles because people dont put on the top two screws that hold the shifter in place. from what i read, people just leave those two unscrewed because they're lazy to move the transmission axle down. im about to get a b&m shifter. Unless anyone is selling a C's?

Sorry dude, but I couldn't resist.:bowrofl:

[Raysurc]

Sorry dude, but I couldn't resist.:bowrofl:

lol man, i shoulda caught that hahaha.:doh:

[speedgod^s13]

lol man, i shoulda caught that hahaha.:doh:

It's all good. Had me :rofl: when I read it the first time. Had to read it again, just to make sure.

[OperationSr20]

Speedgod, you're right, mine is alot shorter then yours... Odd. Well, I will definately visit back as soon as I get it installed. The thread should still have some life in it when I do, lol. As far as the Tomei Duracon Shift knob is concerned, there are 2 sizes, a 70mm (Short) & a 90mm (Long) The ones that we have are the Short 70mm Version.

I purchased my C's Short Shifter w/ Short Tomei Duracon Knob from Ritz 14, here on the forums. Speedgod, you actually posted in that For Sale thread, back in June of 06:

Strange, I have a c's short shifter with the same shift knob, but mines sits hella high.

Also, from the same thread, the seller used both B&M and C's and he quotes:

IMO, I've used a B&M, and C's is much more comfortable. This shifter is in GREAT condition, and it's very precise. Whereas a B&M is notchy, the C's is very smooth. Most people go with B&M because they are readily available. The original C's is pretty hard to come by in good shape. You also don't get that rattle that B&M has at higher RPM. C's pure quality. If you decide to go the B&M route, be my guest.

Justing puting more rep out there for the C's...

[speedgod^s13]

Speedgod, you're right, mine is alot shorter then yours... Odd. Well, I will definately visit back as soon as I get it installed. The thread should still have some life in it when I do, lol. As far as the Tomei Duracon Shift knob is concerned, there are 2 sizes, a 70mm (Short) & a 90mm (Long) The ones that we have are the Short 70mm Version.

I purchased my C's Short Shifter w/ Short Tomei Duracon Knob from Ritz 14, here on the forums. Speedgod, you actually posted in that For Sale thread, back in June of 06:



Also, from the same thread, the seller used both B&M and C's and he quotes:



Justing puting more rep out there for the C's...

I looked at your picture closely, and your actual shifter is WAY shorter than mines. Damn, that makes me mad. Gotta go find a shorter one now, but they are so hard to locate.

[speedgod^s13]

I was checking out rare trick, and they have an attain solid shifter. I'm assuming the throw is the same, just crispier shift changes. Not extremely expensive either, $139.00. Anyone out there, using one of these? They are pretty nice. http://www.raretrick.com/index.asp?cat=1908&Page=1&Display=Yes&Back=Listings&ProductsID=7083

[Full-Lock]

i meant to talk to [email protected] about one of those Attain solid shifters. they look pretty nice.

Raretrick also has the URAS one listed on their site that Dousan spoke of

[OperationSr20]

I looked at your picture closely, and your actual shifter is WAY shorter than mines. Damn, that makes me mad. Gotta go find a shorter one now, but they are so hard to locate.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/Xx_Eclipsekid_xX/Cs001.jpg

6" Shaft
11" Total Length

[apexhumper]

SpeedGod how long is yours?.......and here come the giggles:keke:

No but seriously, is your shifter really shorter or is it just the shift knob that is a different size?

[OperationSr20]

Speedgod, measure your shaft so we can compare sizes... please... no pictures...

[JDS Performance]

Supposedly the rattle stops (for the B&M and knockoffs) if you remove the center piece.

Or you can try this method and see if it works.

Short Shifter Rattle Fix (http://forums.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=150410)

For anyone interested. ;)

I did this and mine still rattles just like before - exactly how much did you notch it out? Got any pix?

[speedgod^s13]

Speedgod, measure your shaft so we can compare sizes... please... no pictures...

I don't even know what to say. :rofl: