300zx brake swap e-brake setup

[importnut]

I come out of the darkness with probably one of the last 240 updates to my site. I finished up the e-brake write-up for my 300zx brake swap page.

Check it out here, and please let me know if there is better info out there.

http://importnut.net/300zxbrakeswap-ebrake.htm

Enjoy!

-Alex S.

[emersonLP]

Nice write up and pics!

[cvc9216]

you can add that the R33 GTS(-T?) cables definitely are a direct bolt-in for S14s

[importnut]

you can add that the R33 GTS(-T?) cables definitely are a direct bolt-in for S14s

Excellent! Thanks for the info, I updated the page.

-Alex S.

[anotherblusi]

Z32 2+2 cables work for s13 without splicing. The only problem is that the mounting brackets for the cables are about 5-6" to the rear of the factory mounting points. But all you need to is make an extension bracket from a strip of steel from home depot. Much better than splicing imo.

[importnut]

Z32 2+2 cables work for s13 without splicing. The only problem is that the mounting brackets for the cables are about 5-6" to the rear of the factory mounting points. But all you need to is make an extension bracket from a strip of steel from home depot. Much better than splicing imo.

The cables are too short in both the S13 and S14 if you route the cables through the subframe. If you reroute the cables in the S13, you can use either Z32 cable and it will reach. You cannot do this with the S14 unless you get the longer R33 e-brake cables.

Using an uncut, unspliced cable is the way to go in my opinion too. As I stated at the end of the write-up. Still, I wanted to post the option that I used before I got rid of my 240.

-Alex S.

[Vision Garage]

Alex, you have one of the best writeups period. It has probably helped so many 240 owners. What car are you driving now BTW?

[Inland180]

great write up! haven't seen a more complete write up yet.

what about the custom bracket that ebay sells so you won't have to splice your cables? just thought I'd throw it in here . It might be an alternative.

[importnut]

Alex, you have one of the best writeups period. It has probably helped so many 240 owners. What car are you driving now BTW?

Thanks! I'm glad I could help! I realize that there are better solutions (like the R33 cables, which I deem the #1 solution) but I wanted to put together all of the info that I've been gathering since I started the project.

As for what I'm driving now, I have a '91 miata with 206k miles on it that I bought for $2 :) I still have my monster civic hatchback too. It's down at the moment but I'm working on it. I'm actually planning/hoping to get a 350z in the near future but we'll see. Oh, also got a '07 V-rod :)

I can tell you one thing, I miss my 240 in a big way. I got rid of it for the simple reason that the underbody was rusting away. I was able to restore the body and make it look really sharp, but the underside was developing soft spots. When I sold it, I was hoping to find a good shell to transfer over all of my work, but in the months of searching, I found either badly beaten 240's that weren't worth their weight in scrap, or 240's that were grossly overpriced. Actually, the 240's that were junk were also grossly overpirced. Not much you can do about that...

-Alex S.

[importnut]

great write up! haven't seen a more complete write up yet.

what about the custom bracket that ebay sells so you won't have to splice your cables? just thought I'd throw it in here . It might be an alternative.

I'm going to look into this. Sounds like a decent idea, but I keep coming back to the OEM solution of using the R33 cables.

-Alex S.

[abunai the drifter]

thanx to your wrtie up i was confedent enought to do 300zx brake wasp my self

[myriad]

Soft Spots, eh...? I already directed someone to your site about how to do a 300zx conversion. The S14's help its own so far, the engines on its way out and I have money set aside for the SR swap this summer.

-Blair

[importnut]

Soft Spots, eh...? I already directed someone to your site about how to do a 300zx conversion. The S14's help its own so far, the engines on its way out and I have money set aside for the SR swap this summer.

-Blair

Only one that I know of but it was really small. You should see my crusty old miata! 16 years of salt belt use has really taken it's toll...that and the fact that the early miatas had issues with holding water that leaks into the body fromthe top. Anyway, I realized, at the time that I sold the car, that I really wanted to do something else. I was either going to blow big money on a powertrane, or get into another project. I bought an Evo and actually hated it. I sold it six months later. I'm happier with my rusty old miata than I ever was with the evo.

As with anything in life, you tend to outgrow things like hobbies and even friendships. I don't have the time and energy that I did to do the projects that I used to do. I just turned 30, I'm getting married in less than two weeks along with the prospect of changing careers and going back to school. I laugh at the idea of starting another huge project. (my wife to be wouldn't let me put a v-8 in the miata...oh well...she told me to buy a motorcycle...so I did :))

Enough about me! Glad to see things are well in the 240 realm.

-Alex

[projectRDM]

thanx to your wrtie up i was confedent enought to do 300zx brake wasp my self

Brake wasp? What is that?

[staygold24]

Does anyone know if the z32 full setup can be used on a 4 lug car? Im interested in doing the full setup but have heard that it cant work due to the 4 lug. Also will the ebrake drum be functional on a four lug car?

thanks

[importnut]

Does anyone know if the z32 full setup can be used on a 4 lug car? Im interested in doing the full setup but have heard that it cant work due to the 4 lug. Also will the ebrake drum be functional on a four lug car?

thanks

The only difference is that you need to get rotors redrilled for 4 lugs. Everything else is exactly the same.

-Alex S.

[staygold24]

Thanks, heres more info from r20na for 4 luggers who want full z brake setup

The axle is larger on the Z32TT and Q45 meaning you would have to use the matching hubs to accept the larger axle, but they won't work on your car anyway since the axle is too long.

Basically it's very simple, the rotor hat is the same size for the Q45, J30, and Z32. As long as you're using one of those rotors, the rest of the equation does not matter. 5lug will slide right on, 4lug needs to be drilled to the correct PCD

[importnut]

Thanks, heres more info from r20na for 4 luggers who want full z brake setup

The axle is larger on the Z32TT and Q45 meaning you would have to use the matching hubs to accept the larger axle, but they won't work on your car anyway since the axle is too long.

The axle is larger, but I think the splined portion of the hub is the same, meaning you can use TT or NA hubs.

-Alex S.

[Dream240]

In regards to the ebay adapter. I bought one for 40 bucks, you can't beat it. And it'll save time, aggrevation, frustration, pain, blood, tears. In other words...hell.

I attempted this job waaay back when importnut first put up his brake swap write-up. After 3 attempts at splicing the cables, I couldn't get them tight enough to have ANY e-brake.

Here's another question.....couldn't you just as easily swap out the ebrake handle side cable with the T-bar to a longer cable? I dont know where you could buy that type of cable but I'm sure it's doable. I would think about 3 more inches should do it for the S14, IIRC. Then just simply swap the T-bar to the new longer cable and you're done! Anyone ever tried this? Just curious.

Thankfully I have an S13 now so I really don't have to worry about this mod. Really if I still had an S14, I would just leave the rear brakes alone. Just too much bullshit for only 1 "bling" point. :p

[importnut]

As soon as you can figure out where to have cables like that made, let us all know :) It is a good idea, but you're off on the length. It's closer to a foot...and even if you did lengthen the t-bar, you would not be able to properly support the cables.

It is very hard to get the lines tight enough to work. If you look at my pics, you can see that I used 3-4 vise grips. I got it, and it worked very well.

As for the bling point, prior to selling mine, I was building it for heavy track use. Any extra braking is always welcomed. Using an adapter, or the R33 cables makes the process a piece of cake.

-Alex s.

[projectRDM]

The axle is larger, but I think the splined portion of the hub is the same, meaning you can use TT or NA hubs.

-Alex S.

It is not. The TT and Q45 hub has a larger inner diameter to accept the larger diameter axle.

Only the NA, S13/S14/S15 hubs, as well as R32/R33/R34s will work. The BNR series Skyline hubs are also larger and will not work.

[abunai the drifter]

Brake wasp? What is that?
I was typing drunk sorry :mrmeph:

[arlok]

hey guys i just did the z32 brake swap for my s14 but i forgot the ebrake swap.. could someone explain to me why i can't use the stock ebrake cables from s14 with the z32 rear calipers? Why do i need to buy the r33 cables?

Sorry for the stupid question but this will help me a lot..
thanks

[nightsauce]

if you just did the swap...look at your rear calipers and ask yourself where the cables are gonna mount and how that would work?

and dont bump old threads

[arlok]

if you just did the swap...look at your rear calipers and ask yourself where the cables are gonna mount and how that would work?

and dont bump old threads

yea that what i was trying to figure out.
sorry for bumping an old thread but i need to ask a last thing to you please..

I dont need to make any cut/splice if i buy the r33 cable right?
Thanks again

[blueshark123]

yea that what i was trying to figure out.
sorry for bumping an old thread but i need to ask a last thing to you please..

I dont need to make any cut/splice if i buy the r33 cable right?
Thanks again

correct if you read the thread you would have your answer

[jovi]

just get r33 cables that is

[fliprayzin240sx]

yea that what i was trying to figure out.
sorry for bumping an old thread but i need to ask a last thing to you please..

I dont need to make any cut/splice if i buy the r33 cable right?
Thanks again

You can cut the old cable and splice them together but R33s are straight in perfect for S-chassis. This is what I'm using on my S14.

[brndck]

Hi. I’m only bumping this thread because I have new information.

Gktech now sells brand new ebrake cables. They are advertised as being the same length and identical to r33 2dr ebrake cables.

https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/gktech-drum-e-brake-conversion-cables-for-nissan-240sx.html

They are advertised as being direct bolt on for s14/15 (with z32 drum ebrake) or, s13 (with z32 drum ebrake) provides you use an “extension plate”

Like this one.

https://frsport.com/street-faction-engineering-z32-cable-brckt-z32-e-brake-cable-brackets-default-title?gclid=Cj0KCQjwsvrpBRCsARIsAKBR_0Kn5Omcc1AAPb x-LFMLKXTsjq7In6Hq3oJS-CC1Ff1aOrrawpQU5coaArQbEALw_wcB

I purchased these GKtech cables, they are very high quality, but they are FAR too long to use on s13. At least 5” too long.

I have tried every method possible to route them, but they are simply too long.

If you have an s13, what you need is z32
2+2 cables. You also need an “extension plate” like the one I linked above. You can easily make one from Home Depot for far cheaper.

The part numbers for z32 2+2 cables are
36531-32P10
36530-32P10
(I sourced mine new from Z1 for around $200)

Below are photos and lengths of

Z32 2seater cables, z32 2+2, GKTech, and R33 2dr
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/fc777186096489e88153ae834b9d8203.jpg

Z32 2seater approx 44.5”
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/ef7645f06785a867bf8fb4a96771b5a1.jpg

Z32 2+2 approx 49”
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/136f36f226381a3b8c461e81f719285e.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/dbade85b089135a2981dab2ab3b099c5.jpg


Gktech approx 54”

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/0047f1a620b106f6fadcbd297a1b4d5c.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/3ccec1f37f9b0bf2a0333920409a99d8.jpg

R33 2dr approx 54”
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/be0f20c921517d0930672ef9a937b9e5.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/7ac5c3c8ac5b53111768ad0cf3650468.jpg

[japslapsilvia]

Hi. I’m only bumping this thread because I have new information.

Gktech now sells brand new ebrake cables. They are advertised as being the same length and identical to r33 2dr ebrake cables.

https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/gktech-drum-e-brake-conversion-cables-for-nissan-240sx.html

They are advertised as being direct bolt on for s14/15 (with z32 drum ebrake) or, s13 (with z32 drum ebrake) provides you use an “extension plate”

Like this one.

https://frsport.com/street-faction-engineering-z32-cable-brckt-z32-e-brake-cable-brackets-default-title?gclid=Cj0KCQjwsvrpBRCsARIsAKBR_0Kn5Omcc1AAPb x-LFMLKXTsjq7In6Hq3oJS-CC1Ff1aOrrawpQU5coaArQbEALw_wcB

I purchased these GKtech cables, they are very high quality, but they are FAR too long to use on s13. At least 5” too long.

I have tried every method possible to route them, but they are simply too long.

If you have an s13, what you need is z32
2+2 cables. You also need an “extension plate” like the one I linked above. You can easily make one from Home Depot for far cheaper.

The part numbers for z32 2+2 cables are
36531-32P10
36530-32P10
(I sourced mine new from Z1 for around $200)

Below are photos and lengths of

Z32 2seater cables, z32 2+2, GKTech, and R33 2dr


Z32 2seater approx 44.5”


Z32 2+2 approx 49”



Gktech approx 54”



R33 2dr approx 54”



I just got these in the mail yesterday, they are long but they do fit fine on S13. Im using the GKtech mount, and their R33 lines. ill snap some pics when i get home. The GKtech Mount is Specific for the R33 Cables to s13

https://us.gktech.com/s13-240sx-drum-e-brake-cable-conversion-plat

[brndck]

I just got these in the mail yesterday, they are long but they do fit fine on S13. Im using the GKtech mount, and their R33 lines. ill snap some pics when i get home. The GKtech Mount is Specific for the R33 Cables to s13



https://us.gktech.com/s13-240sx-drum-e-brake-cable-conversion-plat



Yeah, but to add issues on top of issues, I’m using the PBM rear knuckle,

https://store.partsshopmax.com/shop/silvia/MultilinkSteering/RKNUCLB.html#panel-product-description

which requires you to swap ebrake assemblies from left to right side, so now the ebrake cable inserts from the top of the backing plate instead of the bottom of the backing plate. The only way I could possibly route the cables made them run like this,

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/40a50dda738937c671bb3708eef7efab.jpg

So no matter what bracket/mount plate you use, it was still far too long.

For me, the z32 2+2 cables fit perfectly, line up perfectly, mount perfectly, they’re just way more expensive than the GKTech ones were.

[japslapsilvia]

Yeah, but to add issues on top of issues, I’m using the PBM rear knuckle,

https://store.partsshopmax.com/shop/silvia/MultilinkSteering/RKNUCLB.html#panel-product-description

which requires you to swap ebrake assemblies from left to right side, so now the ebrake cable inserts from the top of the backing plate instead of the bottom of the backing plate. The only way I could possibly route the cables made them run like this,

So no matter what bracket/mount plate you use, it was still far too long.

For me, the z32 2+2 cables fit perfectly, line up perfectly, mount perfectly, they’re just way more expensive than the GKTech ones were.


Ah, ok makes sense with the set up you are using, mine follow a similar path (green line) but no where near that far back. Ill snap a pic later when i get home.

[brndck]

Ah, ok makes sense with the set up you are using, mine follow a similar path (green line) but no where near that far back. Ill snap a pic later when i get home.


Yeah the green line is a bit exaggerated, it’s probably closer to the blue line, but I didn’t like having it routed further towards the rear of the car at all.

With the z32 2+2 cables, it follows the red line and is the perfect length.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/903c9dca9f07f49bf4039314b4ce4b38.jpg

[JrDarknes]

Hmm weird, They should work even with PBM Drop knuckles. Well it worked for me at least. I just installed them on mine two weeks ago. I had used that little gold bracket the lines come with to bolt part of the line where the original e brake mounted at and then bolt the end of the line to the gktech bracket.

I should probably take a pic when I get a chance



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[brndck]

Hmm weird, They should work even with PBM Drop knuckles. Well it worked for me at least. I just installed them on mine two weeks ago. I had used that little gold bracket the lines come with to bolt part of the line where the original e brake mounted at and then bolt the end of the line to the gktech bracket.

I should probably take a pic when I get a chance


i'm def curious to see how they route on your car,
for me the 2+2 cables were the perfect fit

[japslapsilvia]

Here is how mine fit. Gktech r33 cables and mount https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190730/9689e1fef94e4108e9fb8f9dbff4ffd1.jpg

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