coilovers not rotating at camber plate?

[Munch]

ok, so ive been searching for like a week for this, and normally i wouldnt post, which explains my low post count, but this is starting to bug the crap out of me.

I installed some stance coilovers on my s13 about two weeks ago, and i love em, but the front ones are giving my some problems.

for instance, when u turn the steering wheel, where is the coilover supposed to rotate?

Ide imagine it rotates in the ball joint or whatever in the camber plate, but mine is just rotating around the bottom of the spring. The spring perch and lock are locked to the body of the coilover, but the spring doesnt rotate, it stays still and the perch rotates underneath it.

(i just lifted the dust boot, and saw the threaded body of the coilover is rotating around the piston, while the piston stays stationary.)

It bugs me while driving because it makes a springy noise while turning, as if you hit the spring with something hard. (i know other people have had the same noise, found them in search)

When i first started getting this sound, i found a thread where someone suggested tightening the top nut on the coilover, which i found was pretty loose, so i tightened it. The sound went away, but now its come back. I cant really tighten the top nut any more cause it wont move. can it be too tight?

Should i perhaps just lube the ball joint or whatever up top?

I can get a video of it doing its thing if it'll help decipher my problem.

[Gearhead_42]

for instance, when u turn the steering wheel, where is the coilover supposed to rotate?

Ide imagine it rotates in the ball joint or whatever in the camber plate, but mine is just rotating around the bottom of the spring. The spring perch and lock are locked to the body of the coilover, but the spring doesnt rotate, it stays still and the perch rotates underneath it.

(i just lifted the dust boot, and saw the threaded body of the coilover is rotating around the piston, while the piston stays stationary.)

When i first started getting this sound, i found a thread where someone suggested tightening the top nut on the coilover, which i found was pretty loose, so i tightened it. The sound went away, but now its come back. I cant really tighten the top nut any more cause it wont move. can it be too tight?

Should i perhaps just lube the ball joint or whatever up top?


From my experience, try two things..

First, zip the top nuts a bit tighter with an air impact... you really can't torque those top nuts correctly without something to stop the shaft from turning, so that's the next best thing.

Second, you need some preload on your front springs. Two full turns at a minimum, assuming your stance are threaded like my KTS... just back the lower perch down, run it up snug on the spring by hand, then use the perch spanner to give it two more full turns. The spring should NOT rotate on the perch when turning your wheels...

As far as lube? Not sure, depend on the materials involved... maybe someone with more experience with stance can chime in?

[sean350z]

That's exactly what I would do....

Preload the springs slightly (basically until you can not move the spring on the perch)
Tighten top nut if preloading doesn't help.

[Munch]

ah, i guess i forgot to mention i already have some preload...probly around 1cm of preload measuring from where the perch touched the spring to where the perch is now. Not really sure how many turns that was, but it was a few.

[McRussellPants]

They'll do that when new.


eventually the heim loosens up and it will spin there.

[95Blue240sx]

On my tein HA there were some thin plates on top of the spring and between the camber plate. I kind forgot to put them in and now mine do this too. I was kinda worried about it cause i need to raise my car a little so there will not be as much preload as before. I guess I can always take it apart and put them in

[jmauld]

From my experience, try two things..

First, zip the top nuts a bit tighter with an air impact... you really can't torque those top nuts correctly without something to stop the shaft from turning, so that's the next best thing.



That's an EXTREMELY, (LET ME EMPHASIZE EXTREMELY) BAD thing to do to a strut.

[gotta240]

Fuck...you beat me to it....

DON'T FUCKING IMPACT THE TOP NUT... Does it say to do that in ANY manual for ANY strut you have ever seen?!?

[reaxion]

just got my stances 2 weeks ago, they did it after I first put them in.

they do it no more.

[Clawhammer]

My stances did it randomly when I first got them. Like if I turned the wheel all they way on a really cold day. Other than that they're fine.

[Munch]

Ok, so i think every time the spring shifts, its messing with my preload....or causing the spring to get wound up and try to rotate the caliper. When i turn and the spring moves, the car will start pulling in the direction i turned. If i turn the other way, it'll pull that way.

[gotta240]

When i turn and the spring moves, the car will start pulling in the direction i turned. If i turn the other way, it'll pull that way.

Lol... So let me get this strait... When you turn the wheel one way, the car goes that way? Holy shit, something is horribly wrong!!! lol... Sorry, i know what you mean but the description sounded funny. I usually expect the car to turn the way i turn the wheel.

[98koukile]

so theoretically if you turn it back straight, it'll keep going straight... no problems, just let them break in

[Munch]

well, sort of. After i turn and straighten the wheel, the car will keep pulling in the direction i just turned, even though the wheel is straight. Yknow, as if my alignment was jacked up (which it is, but isn't the cause of the pulling).

[Gearhead_42]

That's an EXTREMELY, (LET ME EMPHASIZE EXTREMELY) BAD thing to do to a strut.


When Munch says:

When i first started getting this sound, i found a thread where someone suggested tightening the top nut on the coilover, which i found was pretty loose, so i tightened it. The sound went away, but now its come back. I cant really tighten the top nut any more cause it wont move. can it be too tight?

he obviously has had the top nut loosen on him, yes? Since you can't torque a strut nut without holding the shaft fixed, a light application of impact is a good way to snug the nut. Notice I did not tell him to get the biggest impact he could find and torque the piss out of the thing till the piston shaft spins like a top...

If you have a reliable DIY method to grip the piston shaft without damaging it, please post it so we can use your method next time.

[jmauld]

When Munch says:



he obviously has had the top nut loosen on him, yes? Since you can't torque a strut nut without holding the shaft fixed, a light application of impact is a good way to snug the nut. Notice I did not tell him to get the biggest impact he could find and torque the piss out of the thing till the piston shaft spins like a top...

If you have a reliable DIY method to grip the piston shaft without damaging it, please post it so we can use your method next time.

Good shocks come with a smaller nut built into the top of the strut shaft. That's the proper way to tighten them. When I've used struts that didn't have that feature, I always retightened the upper nut after a few drives and I've never had them work their way loose afterwards.

If you impact the top nut, you risk damaging the seal that keeps the struts from leaking. If the strut has an adjuster mechanism that is accessible from the top of the strut, then you also risk breaking that rod that runs through the shaft.

To the original poster. The top hat needs to be able to rotate without binding. Jack the car up and watch your suspension as the steering wheel turns, you'll see why. If it's binding, something is wrong, and needs to be fixed since you could also be binding the strut shaft.

[Munch]

Ok so im getting pretty ticked off at these things.

After searching the other day for like 2 hours on various forums, i found a few suggesting lubing the ball joint at the top. So today i bought some white lithium grease and lubed up both ball joints pretty well...moved the strut around while it was still attached to the top so i could get at all of the ball joints.

The strut is still refusing to rotate at the ball joint, and instead, the threaded shock body rotates around the piston.

Im beginning to think ide be better off just trying to get another pair for the front.

[Chez]

have you contacted the manufacturer or atleast the distributer...they may have some recommendations for you also this way they are aware of the problem and will be more apt to suit your needs if you are unhappy after a few attempts at solving the issue. just some food for thought -Chez

BTW: I rebuild motorcycle forks at work all the time and I use a 3/8 cordless impact to take them apart as well as tighten them back up and as long as your carefull around the dampening rod you will have no ill affects. just as long as you dont sit there and spin the shaft once the nut is tight. just give it a few short bursts about a second long...that is if the person you talk to says to try and tighten the upper nut...

[93 240 s13]

my Stance's sometimes make the sprighy noise during slow turns...

also i cant seem to loosen the actual coilover to try to lower it... its jammed
that spanner wrenches bend so i tried usuing some channel locks, and still cant get them to turn... idont nkow if i like stance coil overs anymore ;(

[Gearhead_42]

Good shocks come with a smaller nut built into the top of the strut shaft. That's the proper way to tighten them. When I've used struts that didn't have that feature, I always retightened the upper nut after a few drives and I've never had them work their way loose afterwards.


Ahh, that makes perfect sense if your struts have a second nut, cool.


BTW: I rebuild motorcycle forks at work all the time and I use a 3/8 cordless impact to take them apart as well as tighten them back up and as long as your carefull around the dampening rod you will have no ill affects. just as long as you dont sit there and spin the shaft once the nut is tight. just give it a few short bursts about a second long...

That's pretty much what I was getting at, Chez said it better though. Glad I'm not as crazy as I thought :lol:

[Munch]

Ok...so running more then a few mm of preload is for losers.

I emailed stance the other day to see if they could suggest something to help me out. In their meager 3 sentence reply, they suggested i torque the top nut to 55 lbs, and that the coilovers dont need any preload.

I had about 1cm of preload, so today i torqued the top not properly, and set the preload to maybe 2mm from when the mounts contact the spring.

Afterwards, the annoying spring noise was reduced. The noise isnt completely gone, just masked somewhat. Because of the less preload, there isn't as much pressure on the spring when it jumps in the perches, so it doesnt make as much noise.

At least now i can drive my car without feeling like a dingus everytime i turn with that stupid loud popping noise. The front of the car also feels a bit softer now, not to mention i think it got even lower.

Im still concerned that the ball joint still wont rotate, and the threaded body is still rotating around the stationary piston, but i cant think of anything else that could possibly fix my problem.

BTW, for people looking for how to torque the top nut without the piston spinning. The way i did it was i got one of my spanner wrenches, put it in position on the upper spring perch, and wedged it up against the wall of the area where the shock goes. The wrench stops the piston from rotating so u can torque away.

[D1GP]

just something you may want to check is the how your struts are going through the 3 holes up top. if you look at it closely, there is only one way to correctly put it in, i havent checked to see if it will go in any other way but it is worth a shot checking them. hopefully this made sense.

[240love]

hope the ones i bought dont do that

[logik23]

Mine do it to, I've only had them in for 5 days or so and have only driven abour 300miles on them, but they make the sound, I checked them and same thing, the shock rotates instead of the pillowball mount. Also, my mounts were extremily stiff when I first got them, I couldn't barely move it even when the top plate was bolted to to the car.

[D1GP]

ive been daily driving on them for the past 3 months or so and they still make the sound. ive tried everything i could think of to remedy it, but it is still terrible. im still waiting for stance to get back to me which has almost been a week now... needless to say, fuck the hype, i'm never buying anything of theirs again.

[logik23]

How can they sell us this crap? We should start a class action law-suit.

[chuonthis]

Installed my GR+Pros this weekend and they are doing the same thing. Lubed the ball joints with lithium grease with no improvement. Springs are preloaded two full turns, as specified in the provided instruction sheet. Still need to torque the top nut. I'll post an update if I see any changes.

Do all Stance coilovers do this or are we just getting a bad batch?

Also, as far as impacting the top nut, I'm not saying I'm for or against it, but SPL's instructions for their KTS coilovers say to impact it on a light setting: http://www.splparts.com/doc/SPLCoilover/default.htm

[D1GP]

Do all Stance coilovers do this or are we just getting a bad batch?



seems like a good number of the later models are doing this.

here is my review that i have done on 240sxf.

1) the brand & model coilover you run
stance gr+ pro 8/6

2) the type of driving you do
spirited daily driving and touge

3) your feelings/impressions about them
very good quality only thing i dont like is the noise from the springs rotating in the perch on low speed turns. annoying as fuck.

4) are you happy with their customer service?
i was but... when i first got them, 9/7 springs did not come, i contacted autornd and they got me in touch with whoever i needed to talk to. springs were sent. last week, i sent them an email about the noise that won't go away. they recommended that i flip them upside down and if that doesnt fix it, they will send new springs...

EDIT - i flipped the springs like stance recommended but the noise still remained. i contacted them through email (not even asking for the springs they offered because 1. i dont want them to send me anything i didnt need and 2. i knew the spring itself was not the source of the problem.) and asked them whether or not they thought new springs and possibly adding the spacer on top would solve the problem.

a week goes by and i have yet to hear back so i send another email but this time i asked exactly why their coilovers were not rotating at the balljoint and why the shockbody was now spinning which will not allow me to tighten the top nut. i gave them a good 2 weeks before i lost faith.

i followed all procedures before i badmouthed their company. i made sure to deal with them personally and gave them more then adequate time to get it handled (3-4 weeks). from all the positive reviews of their service on zilvia, i was kind of surprised by this. a company that will not even back their product. don't buy into the hype. go kts and deal with kuah who actually gives two shits about his customers.

keep in mind that several other people are having the same noise problem which is a very LOUD groany sound at slow turns. kind of like a power steering rack with low or no fluid at all. it appears that the coilover is not rotating at the balljoint like it should. so i consider this poorly designed, not working properly, and the company refusing to take responsibility for it.

5) where you got them
autornd, great service

6) how much you paid
1200

7) good or bad customer service (if bought from a retailer who is not the manufacturer)
very good service. all pms replied within 24 hours.

this is a members logical input.
I do get the feeling that they are having a hard time keeping up with supply and demand. I got my Stance well before they blew up on the scene and service was amazing. I honeslty think they dont have the manpower to properly service the needs of all thier customes right now. Last I checked they only had 2 full time tech support guys.

I've heard of your problem on a lot of forums....2 of my friends have the EXACT same problem. It seems like they rushed out some shipments with bad pillow ball joints and now they are trying to keep up with the returns and unhappy customers.

They were back-ordered on parts for months and I figure they cut some corners tring to meet peoples orders. I have heard storys of them not shipping extra spring sets, forgetting to include camber plates, shitty pillowball mounts, etc....imo, just a case of growing too big too fast.

[EchoOfSilence]

Nemeguero has the same problem with his GR+'s, and he bought his months ago.

hmm.

[NemeGuero]

yeah, and have tracked them 2x

I did the 2 turns of preload too.

[240on430]

i had the popping noise with my cuscos also. the noise went away after messing with the pre-load.

edit: 0 pre-load

[D1GP]

i had the popping noise with my cuscos also. the noise went away after messing with the pre-load.

popping noise is pretty common with all c/o but this noise is like a rusty door creak.

[chuonthis]

Yeah, the noise is pretty bad. Plus it feels pretty dangerous. Like Munch said, after making a low speed turn and the spring pops, the steering has a bias towards the direction that you just turned to, even after straightening the wheels. I guess it's because the spring isn't seated properly and is twisted? After going over a small bump or turning a little the other way, the spring pops/creaks back into place.

Hello? Touge Factory? Recall please?

[karl wasabi]

I had the exact same problem with my JIC's. I did everything mentioned above, and then I thought that it might be something really simple. So, I put penetrating oil on the pivot ball, and all that noise went away completely. haha.

[240on430]

popping noise is pretty common with all c/o but this noise is like a rusty door creak.

i had the same noise...it was a creaking noise. my coilovers still have the popping b/c a worn out pilowball.

[misfitsfreak81]

i also have the same issues coming from the pillowball mounts. seemed to help for a little while when i hit them with silicone spray. but i have never been able to properly torque the top nut. the shaft has rotated in the shock body every time. this is the #1 way to destroy the seals and valving in the shock.

this is quite a disapointment seeing as how EVERYONE was raving about these coilovers, which is the main reason that i went with them. now im seeing that more than a few people have this same problem. has anyone gotten satisfaction from Stance?

im in the process of rebuilding a bunch of shit on my car right now, but if they are still making the shitty noise when it gets back on the road i think im going to call Touge Factory and see how they want to handle it. Scott at TF is the man by the way, those guys are great. i ordered my coilovers on a tuesday and they were on my door the very next morning, with standard shipping rates. Sick.

hopefully this issue gets resolved. if anyone has got the problem fixed please post here.

mike

[davidrools]

I guess I'll chime in on this one too:

I'm having the same problem on my Stance GR+ on a S13. I'm running about 1.25" drop. Symptoms: spring "boing" sound when turning, followed by pulling in that direction.

Attempts: Adding preload didn't help at all. I torqued the top nut dangerously tight and that didn't help at all either.

So then I completely removed the strut assembly from the camber plate/spherical bearing and lubed and moved the spherical bearing as much as possible to try to get it loosened up. That still didn't work.

Tomorrow or Wednesday I'm going to take off the camber plate and try to get that spherical bearing to rotate and do it as much as possible in an attempt to "break in" the bearing so the assembly doesn't have to rotate around the strut body.

A couple observations: the fact that the strut body rotates is bad not only for the damper's seals, but it also tends to loosen the spring perches, as it did on mine. Also, the caster angle changes during steering rotation and you can notice that moving at the spherical bearing, but the rotation doesn't happen. that is kind of odd. Finally, this seems to be a problem isolated to Stance kits that were shipped out within the last month or two, which makes me think they made a bad run of camber plates with spherical bearings that are way too tight/out of spec.

[davidrools]

(possible statement of the obvious for some, clarification for others)

For other people (particularly those with another brand of coilovers-cusco, mr, etc.) that have the same problem fixed with preload and/or top nut torque is that their spherical bearings are tight but not as tight as we're seeing with the stances. Adding preload and/or torquing the top nut could, in some instances, add the frictional force necessary to break the spherical bearing loose and allow it to rotate there instead of at the spring perches.

edit: adding preload actually won't increase the amount of force on a spring perch except when the corner is unweighted, which isn't the case when we're just turning slowly and hearing this sound.

[240on430]

^ did you try to reduce or eliminate pre-load?

[davidrools]

^ yes, with zero preload, the problem persists.

Sometimes lubricating the spherical bearing seems to temporarily makes the sound a little softer, but I haven't observed the proper rotation of the bearing in the camber plate, no matter how much I've tried to lube/break it in.

[2iv0 sx]

I plan to order my coilover within this month and this thread is giving me a second thought about buyin GR+...

I'm going to sit out for a while til there's a reasonable explanation on why those noises are occurring. There was another problem with the most recent purchases also.. iirc someone had ordered Stance Basic and it wasn't assembled completly.

I just think it was just a bad batch, it happens. But, I'm already sold on there coilcovers since there were very good reviews when they first made their appearance.

[D1GP]

I plan to order my coilover within this month and this thread is giving me a second thought about buyin GR+...

I'm going to sit out for a while til there's a reasonable explanation on why those noises are occurring. There was another problem with the most recent purchases also.. iirc someone had ordered Stance Basic and it wasn't assembled completly.

I just think it was just a bad batch, it happens. But, I'm already sold on there coilcovers since there were very good reviews when they first made their appearance.

unless you plan on super slamming your car, i would suggest going kts. its bad enough that i had to receive a bad batch but its pretty shitty when they dont even respond to my emails :( so much for cust service.

[!Zar!]

I plan to order my coilover within this month and this thread is giving me a second thought about buyin GR+...

I'm going to sit out for a while til there's a reasonable explanation on why those noises are occurring. There was another problem with the most recent purchases also.. iirc someone had ordered Stance Basic and it wasn't assembled completly.

I just think it was just a bad batch, it happens. But, I'm already sold on there coilcovers since there were very good reviews when they first made their appearance.

Just go ahead and buy them.

I think most of the problems are user error. People have chimed in with other companies besides Stance with this problem.

Right now one of my cars are rocking Stance and I've had no major peoblems.

unless you plan on super slamming your car, i would suggest going kts. its bad enough that i had to receive a bad batch but its pretty shitty when they dont even respond to my emails :( so much for cust service.
I've had both Stance and Kts. Both give about the same drop.
I've sent Stance a few emails myself and all were replied promptly... Maybe you should try and contact Touge Factory.

[D1GP]

Just go ahead and buy them.

I think most of the problems are user error. People have chimed in with other companies besides Stance with this problem.

Right now one of my cars are rocking Stance and I've had no major peoblems.

right.... because 2 pages of users so far are too retarded to setup their coilovers.


I've had both Stance and Kts. Both give about the same drop.
I've sent Stance a few emails myself and all were replied promptly... Maybe you should try and contact Touge Factory.

believe me, all emails of mine that were not relating to the noise were answered promptly. i guess they will help where they can but ignore the bigger problem. i will however, take your advice and contact TF directly.

[misfitsfreak81]

keep this thread alive. let us know how TF handles it. those guys have been super cool in the past and hopefully they back their product.

mike

[cgguy]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Stance is having a hard time keeping up with supply and demand?

I got my GR+'s when they were first introduced, infact I think they were the first ever set brought over to Canada. They have been 100% perfect since I installed them appart from slightly noisy pillowball mounts (a problem with some of the older units).

It seems every week there's another horror story regarding siezed joints, forgotten/uninstalled camber plates, no extra included set of springs, etc.

I wonder if they were rushed into shipping a buch of faulty units??? Remeber these guys blew up overnight and now they have to keep up with backorders and tonnes of unhappy customes. Last I checked they still only had 2 tech guys.

I have nothing but good things to say about my experiences with Stance, I've ordered replacement dampers and parts all without hassle....I hope in future they are able to keep all their new customes as happy as I am.

[gunluvS14]

this seems strange.. mine just came in this week, i haven't install mine yet

[D1GP]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Stance is having a hard time keeping up with supply and demand?

I got my GR+'s when they were first introduced, infact I think they were the first ever set brought over to Canada. They have been 100% perfect since I installed them appart from slightly noisy pillowball mounts (a problem with some of the older units).

It seems every week there's another horror story regarding siezed joints, forgotten/uninstalled camber plates, no extra included set of springs, etc.

I wonder if they were rushed into shipping a buch of faulty units??? Remeber these guys blew up overnight and now they have to keep up with backorders and tonnes of unhappy customes. Last I checked they still only had 2 tech guys.

I have nothing but good things to say about my experiences with Stance, I've ordered replacement dampers and parts all without hassle....I hope in future they are able to keep all their new customes as happy as I am.

i quoted your post from 240sxf on the first page, hope you dont mind :bigok:

[chuonthis]

I just got off the phone with David at Stance. He gave me the "torque top nut to 55lb-ft" and the "zero preload" advice, which I told him I already tried. Then he suggested a couple of things.

The first was to take the top nut off completely, reseat it, and torque it back on. He said sometimes the nut isn't properly threaded which can cause this problem.

The second was that if the first suggestion didn't work, I should try taking off the top hat and flipping the spring around (which it looks like D1GP tried without success). He said the springs sometimes won't make contact well with the top hat and flipping it might help.

He said if those things didn't help, they could try sending me a new set of springs and a spacer for use between the top hat and camber plate. Then if that still doesn't resolve the problem, he mentioned sending me a whole new assembly.

I'm not sure why he was so insistent that it is the springs' fault. I kind of asked him why but I don't remember what his answer was exactly.

Anyway, I'll try to work on it this weekend or next week and see what happens. If anyone else can try the suggestions above and let us know what happens, that'd be great.

[Nachtmensch]

hmm, i had GR's that i bought may of 06. i never had any problems like this. i picked them up from TF and Rob explained how everything went together (first time buying coilovers). the only problem i had was going too low with my car and rubbing away a harness, which was my problem.

the boys over at TF never gave me any problems and i would deffinately buy from again. hell, im trying to get a mr2 application from them.

[240on430]

got a set of gr pros last week...right before i read this post.

i want to return them and order a set of kts coilovers. i dont want to try to break them in and later find out i can't return them anymore. :mad:

was anyone able to get rid of the noise?

edited in: I was able to get rid of all noise on the drivers side with the top nut torqued. I flipped the spring and set it at zero pre-load.

I did the same on the right but noise was there, but barely. I check the pre-load and the spring was sagging so, I set it to zero but the noise is louder. Next, I'm going to re-flip the spring(I might have not flipped it) and/or add more pre-load.

[misfitsfreak81]

so has anyone found a way to keep the shaft from turning when trying to torque the top nut to 55ftlbs? if so what did you do? please let us all know.

mike

[240on430]

flipped the spring and cleaned up the friction points with wd-40 and the coils have been silent for the passed 2 days now. i also sprayed the upper mount joint and moved the joint around with a big screwdriver...i felt the effort to move(wasn't ever able to rotate) the ball around was getting lighter as I was moving it..

so when i finally got rid of the noise, i started stiffening the damping and im loving how they ride!

i hope everyone else gets to fix the noise.

[chuonthis]

Congrats! ^^^

I haven't tried flipping my springs yet but I did reseat the top nut. While the nut was off and with the top bolt out of the way, I stuck the nut into the ball joint and just used a socket wrench to move the ball joint around to hopefully loosen it.

Set preload to zero, without the extra two turns. The pinging was gone from the driver's side for a couple of turns, then it returned. Both sides are pinging lightly now. Will probably try the spring flipping within the next week.

[240on430]

^^^

when you flip the spring, you'll notice that the bottom of the last coil will have the black paint scraped off.

i guess the slippery paint was the reason the spring rotates and makes noise.

on another note, has anyone replaced the shocks with the new AL+s?

[cgguy]

^^^

i guess the slippery paint was the reason the spring rotates and makes noise.



Paint or no paint it still should not rotate at the spring perch. I greased the daylights out of all the contact points on my coilovers and they still rotate at the top mount where they're supposed to.

[240on430]

^^^how much did you pay for the shocks? which were replaced and how long until you wanted/had to replace the shocks? consider using the AL+ shocks as your next replacements?

Paint or no paint it still should not rotate at the spring perch. I greased the daylights out of all the contact points on my coilovers and they still rotate at the top mount where they're supposed to.

what did you use to lubricate the contact points?

[cgguy]

^^^how much did you pay for the shocks? which were replaced and how long until you wanted/had to replace the shocks? consider using the AL+ shocks as your next replacements?



what did you you to lubricate the contact points?

Damper replacement was $175 Canadian to my door (through my supplier). I'm pretty sure the rears are cheaper since they're not monotube .

One great thing about Stance is you can order any individual part you need down to single nuts, collars, adjusters etc.....that's pretty cool.

I only needed one so no, I didn't get AL+ .....I wasn't even aware there was a difference aside from the casing color/materal.

Used generic green grease for all the contact points and pillowball assemblys and white lithium spray grease to keep the threads lubed.

I've had 2 years of driving on them and no problems yet (aside from the busted damper which was my fault)

edit** ps. Anyone know what happened to thier external reservior coils? They aren't on the website anymore.....

[chuonthis]

Link to page (http://www.stance-usa.com/three.php) but since it's not linked anymore on their website, I'm not sure if it's still available. Maybe the webmaster accidentally replaced the link with the AL+ link instead of adding.

[240on430]

the GR+3's are discontinued

[misfitsfreak81]

so has anyone found a way to keep the shaft from turning when trying to torque the top nut to 55ftlbs? if so what did you do? please let us all know.

mike

so i will ask once again, how have you been keeping the shaft from turning when adjusting/removing the top nut. and please dont say you grabbed the shaft with vise grips. thanks.

mike

[cgguy]

so i will ask once again, how have you been keeping the shaft from turning when adjusting/removing the top nut. and please dont say you grabbed the shaft with vise grips. thanks.

mike


Impact wrench. Just dont go crazy on it and it'll be fine.

[logik23]

Ok, a breakthrough!!

After sending an unanswered e-mail a couple of weeks ago to Stance, I sent another a few days ago. Today I got a response stating that if I call them with the dealer info, they will gladly send me a new set of upper pillowball mounts under warranty.Finally, some closure!

So I'll call them later today when they open and I'll keep this updated until I receive my mounts.

They seem to have finally received some decent pillowballs, so you guys who are still under warranty should e-mail Stance to get your replacements!

[240on430]

Ok, a breakthrough!!

After sending an unanswered e-mail a couple of weeks ago to Stance, I sent another a few days ago. Today I got a response stating that if I call them with the dealer info, they will gladly send me a new set of upper pillowball mounts under warranty.Finally, some closure!

So I'll call them later today when they open and I'll keep this updated until I receive my mounts.

They seem to have finally received some decent pillowballs, so you guys who are still under warranty should e-mail Stance to get your replacements!

just called. you sure they're not sending you the same version of the mounts?rep said there aren't any replacements they are sending out.

[ewuzh]

Ok, a breakthrough!!

After sending an unanswered e-mail a couple of weeks ago to Stance, I sent another a few days ago. Today I got a response stating that if I call them with the dealer info, they will gladly send me a new set of upper pillowball mounts under warranty.Finally, some closure!

So I'll call them later today when they open and I'll keep this updated until I receive my mounts.

They seem to have finally received some decent pillowballs, so you guys who are still under warranty should e-mail Stance to get your replacements!

Let us know if that fixes the problem. I just installed the GR+ yesterday and I am getting the same spring binding noise.

[logik23]

Well they told me they are sending me new top mounts for the front. I don't think they are sending me the entire pillowball, just the top part of it. Anyways, hopefully it'll fix the problem. I'm suppose to get them in 3-4 days, so let us all pray. loll or not...

[240on430]

Well they told me they are sending me new top mounts for the front. I don't think they are sending me the entire pillowball, just the top part of it. Anyways, hopefully it'll fix the problem. I'm suppose to get them in 3-4 days, so let us all pray. loll or not...

I also emailed them and they are sending me front upper mount, which should be the entire pillowball mounts.ill be back w/an update when I get them in.

[D1GP]

I also emailed them and they are sending me front upper mount, which should be the entire pillowball mounts.ill be back w/an update when I get them in.

did u email tf or stance?

[240on430]

did u email tf or stance?

...stance. i bought them at a local store.

[ewuzh]

Called Stance today. They said they're waiting on the few of you guys to report back with results of the new pillowball/mounts before they do anything for me. Hurry and install them. I need an alignment lol :duh:

[2iv0 sx]

Sounds like they need to have a recall already.

Hopefully it's the upper mounts, I want to order my GR+ soon.

[chuonthis]

Emailed them on Friday about the replacement mounts. Got an email today saying the same thing that ewuzh said. They are waiting for results from the few people that were sent replacements and if the problem is fixed, they'd send me replacement mounts. So yeah, hurry and report back people!

[ilovecoupes]

Sorry this is kinda off topic but, on my front coilovers the dampening knob stoped clicking. So I can spin my dampening knob all day without is stoping, and I don't know what dampening setting I'm at.

anyone else have this problem?

[240on430]

Sorry this is kinda off topic but, on my front coilovers the dampening knob stoped clicking. So I can spin my dampening knob all day without is stoping, and I don't know what dampening setting I'm at.

anyone else have this problem?

how long have you had them? although i haven't had an adjusting problem, i think that should be fixed under the 1yr warranty.

Called Stance today. They said they're waiting on the few of you guys to report back with results of the new pillowball/mounts before they do anything for me. Hurry and install them. I need an alignment lol :duh:

I'm as anxious about the new mounts as anyone else. I'm installing the replacments the same day I get them in. hopefully the problem is fixed. they don't have/know someone with an s13?

[ilovecoupes]

how long have you had them? although i haven't had an adjusting problem, i think that should be fixed under the 1yr warranty.

I've had them for about 6 months.
Threw all my billing information away, so it looks like I'm screwed on that idea

[240on430]

I've had them for about 6 months.
Threw all my billing information away, so it looks like I'm screwed on that idea

have you had the noise a lot of us have within those 6 months?new shocks are about $100 each, which is not bad imo.

[ilovecoupes]

have you had the noise a lot of us have within those 6 months?new shocks are about $100 each, which is not bad imo.

ya, it started out really loud then just got quieter and quieter. I haven't drove my car for a while now, so i don't know if it completely went away. i also gave it a little more preload, like one or two more tuns.

[Munch]

Woah...didnt really expect to see this thread of mine explode like this.

Good (or actually bad) to know that its not just a few of us having this problem.

Im waiting to see how those new upper mounts theyre sending you guys works out. If they solve the problem, im gonna havta see if i can get them to send me a new pair too.

These past couple of months ive just been living with the noise, but of course, it still bugs me to no end.

[240on430]

Woah...didnt really expect to see this thread of mine explode like this.

Good (or actually bad) to know that its not just a few of us having this problem.

Im waiting to see how those new upper mounts theyre sending you guys works out. If they solve the problem, im gonna havta see if i can get them to send me a new pair too.

These past couple of months ive just been living with the noise, but of course, it still bugs me to no end.

the nose started again for me...i enjoyed the few days of silent turning. lol

i can't stand the noise! if the new mounts don't work properly, i will return these for a different brand.

i will let you guys know whats up tomorrow!

EDIT: i couldn't stand the noise any longer, so i greased the top and bottom of the pillow ball spacer on the that goes around the thread under the camber plate(left side). I didn't grease the right because I already greased it about 5 days ago and the noise went away.

[igot86]

Thank god I did a search and found this thread. I been having the same noise problems like everyone here and I couldnt figure out what that noise was. When someone describe the noise as a door creeking, or low power steering noise while truning at low speeds. It sounds like the same problem I'm having. But I don't have stances. I got a set of megan tracks. Had them for more then a year. Will check my front suspension tommorow and keep you guys updated. Gonna grease the fcuk out of it. I can't stand the noise.

[super240sx7185]

wow shouldve got megan coilovers no noises at all and superb handling/ride quality. but hope u guys get this prob fixed

[240on430]

wow shouldve got megan coilovers no noises at all and superb handling/ride quality. but hope u guys get this prob fixed

did you read the post above yours?

[D1GP]

did you read the post above yours?

lol that is the first time ive heard about a noise with MR's though... unlike stance. keep us posted on the pillowballs.

[igot86]

lol that is the first time ive heard about a noise with MR's though... unlike stance. keep us posted on the pillowballs.


Will do. Its funny I checked everything BUT the suspension. I was so sure it was my hub bearings that were bad. But they weren't. Checked the brake system they seem good, then thought it was my tension rod bushings so I replaced them with battle version rods. They needed to be replaced anyways due to cracked bushings.
I haven't read anywhere else that had people with megans have the same problem. Maybe I just got unlucky? Lol
Don't get me wrong these megan track coilovers serve its purpose. They're pretty good..for the price. And to super240sx7185 how long did you have yours.

[super240sx7185]

About 8 months now still just like new and i run them hard on the weekends too. I guess it just depends on road conditions,temp stuff like that but overall I'm very impressed by them for the price highly recommend .

[igot86]

Godamit!!! Greased that shit and it still makes the sound. So the springs AREN'T suppose to move while turning the wheel, pillow ball joint moves but is very stiff..someone clear this up becuase I'm about to throw this off a cliff

[D1GP]

its funny because everytime i wash my car (and spray the shit out of the coils and my under carriage), the noise will go away for a bit. anyone else noticing that?

[240on430]

...got the replacement mounts. they didn't send a new pillowball nut, just a plate. i see a couple differences...

studs are now flush with the plate and the camber plate is also a whole circle
http://i7.tinypic.com/4qp3whu.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/6h43p0p.jpg

I can easily flex, but not rotate, the plate around the ball joint easier than the old mounts that have been used for about 1 month. The steering is now lighter and I don't hear the springs going booooing!

here's a video showing the new plates being moved around easily...View My Video (http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=686z3w6)

Now, what I want to know is...who has the full cirlce camber plates and do they work ok? and who has the 2/3rds cirlce camber plates and do they work ok?

[igot86]

To the original poster. Could you post up a video of your dilema.
And 240on230 did u install them on yet

[D1GP]

...got the replacement mounts. they didn't send a new pillowball nut, just a plate. i see a couple differences...

studs are now flush with the plate and the camber plate is also a whole circle
http://i7.tinypic.com/4qp3whu.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/6h43p0p.jpg

I can easily flex, but not rotate, the plate around the ball joint easier than the old mounts that have been used for about 1 month. The steering is now lighter and I don't hear the springs going booooing!

here's a video showing the new plates being moved around easily...View My Video (http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=686z3w6)

Now, what I want to know is...who has the full cirlce camber plates and do they work ok? and who has the 2/3rds cirlce camber plates and do they work ok?

repped. those look a lot better, maybe with the lighter steering, the wheel will have an easier time returning to center coming out of a turn. i will check my camber plates tomorrow and report back.

[chuonthis]

I have the 2/3 circle camber plates and they have the spring binding issue.

240on430, just to make it clear, you didn't say if it fixed the problem or not. After replacing the plates, is the problem gone 100%?

[C0NAN]

I'm using KTS coilovers. I don't have any sound while turning but I have to "help" the steering wheel to go back to center position and every so often I have to re-tighten the spring lock nuts.

[240on430]

repped. those look a lot better, maybe with the lighter steering, the wheel will have an easier time returning to center coming out of a turn. i will check my camber plates tomorrow and report back.

you are right about the wheel going back to center. with the old mounts the wheel use to be straight sometimes and tracked sometimes.

[overb0ost]

i'm gonna call stance as well since i'm having the same problem.

i went to get an alignment and the place said that i have memory steer, as the wheel will continue to follow the same route as you were going (won't return back to center). but it only happens on one side....

then i read the rest of the posts on this thread and ppl are saying the same thing and also experiencing stiff steering.

any updates on the new hardware?

[240on430]

for the people that don't want to read my whole post...with the new replacement mounts, the noise went away, steering is lighter, and the the steering effort from left to right is the same....the problems were fixed with new front mounts.

[MrD]

Good to hear.
I guess I will wait a while before ordering my set.

logik how are yours doing?

[Munch]

To the original poster. Could you post up a video of your dilema.
And 240on230 did u install them on yet

Ok the video is posted on youtube. It lost a lot of detail being converted to youtube standards, but u should still be able to see that its not rotating at the top, and u can definately hear the spring.

This vid was taken 4/20/07 btw...not long after i bought them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk6zeAgka5g
(edit: woah...i didnt know u could embed youtube videos on this forum, thats pretty awesome)


for the people that don't want to read my whole post...with the new replacement mounts, the noise went away, steering is lighter, and the the steering effort from left to right is the same....the problems were fixed with new front mounts.


That is GREAT news to hear...i'm definitely gonna need to call them up and see if i can get some replacements...unfortunately the only documentation i still have is the packing slip that came taped to the box, not even the invoice. Hopefully they'll be able to do something. Hah, maybe they'll hook me up since i started this thread...ynever know.

[2iv0 sx]

OUCH

Sound like it hurts. Good to hear that the replacement solved it all!

[240on430]

That is GREAT news to hear...i'm definitely gonna need to call them up and see if i can get some replacements...unfortunately the only documentation i still have is the packing slip that came taped to the box, not even the invoice. Hopefully they'll be able to do something. Hah, maybe they'll hook me up since i started this thread...ynever know.

i'm assuming you have the 2/3 circle plate and not the full circle?

they didn't ask where or when i got the coilovers, but i told them i had them for a couple months.

the plate is defective and i'm sure they'll be glad to send you new mounts in exchange for your old mounts. they include a ups label in the box to return the old mounts.

[Munch]

i'm assuming you have the 2/3 circle plate and not the full circle?

they didn't ask where or when i got the coilovers, but i told them i had them for a couple months.

the plate is defective and i'm sure they'll be glad to send you new mounts in exchange for your old mounts. they include a ups label in the box to return the old mounts.


Yeah, i have the old style 2/3 plates.

Well, its also good to know that they didnt get all into trying to find your invoice number and stuff like that when u got yours.

Ill definately be getting in contact with them soon, then perhaps i too can be rid of this annoyance. Yay.

[chuonthis]

Ack, I emailed Stance yesterday about them since 240on430 reported his success. Got a response today saying they are waiting for responses from the 3 other testers before sending them out. Whoever you are (logik23, etc.), please try it out and respond to them. Thanks.

[240on430]

Ack, I emailed Stance yesterday about them since 240on430 reported his success. Got a response today saying they are waiting for responses from the 3 other testers before sending them out. Whoever you are (logik23, etc.), please try it out and respond to them. Thanks.

I'd like to know who has fixed the problem with the new mounts from stance also.good luck everyone...its been a few days and about 150 miles of driving and not one noise from the springs with the new mounts.

[logik23]

I got my new mounts, but they sent me 2/3 mounts, not full circle. I haven't installed them yet, but I'm going to try to do it tomorrow or Sunday, I work so much it's hard to find time. Anyways, I'll get back to you guys ASAP!

[240on430]

I got my new mounts, but they sent me 2/3 mounts, not full circle. I haven't installed them yet, but I'm going to try to do it tomorrow or Sunday, I work so much it's hard to find time. Anyways, I'll get back to you guys ASAP!

how does the top look? the same as the old mounts? the mounts you have mounted now are the 2/3 also?

[chuonthis]

It looks like this was their plan all along and it's the reason why they are not sending us the replacement mounts yet. Here's my theory:

They were originally using the full circle mounts which were great. You can see in KiDyNomiTe's review (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?p=918079#918079) (4th and 6th pictures) that the mount has the full circle. Then somewhere along the line, they decided to change to the 2/3 circle (reducing the materials = cheaper and/or lighter?).

Then it turns out that the 2/3 circle mounts have seized ball joints. I'm guessing they don't have S13s/S14s at their disposal for testing so they are sending out some full circle and some 2/3 circle mounts as replacements. They're probably going to hear that the full circles fixed the problem and the 2/3 circles still have the problem.

Well, that's my theory anyway.

[logik23]

It looks like this was their plan all along and it's the reason why they are not sending us the replacement mounts yet. Here's my theory:

They were originally using the full circle mounts which were great. You can see in KiDyNomiTe's review (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?p=918079#918079) (4th and 6th pictures) that the mount has the full circle. Then somewhere along the line, they decided to change to the 2/3 circle (reducing the materials = cheaper and/or lighter?).

Then it turns out that the 2/3 circle mounts have seized ball joints. I'm guessing they don't have S13s/S14s at their disposal for testing so they are sending out some full circle and some 2/3 circle mounts as replacements. They're probably going to hear that the full circles fixed the problem and the 2/3 circles still have the problem.

Well, that's my theory anyway.


That is most likely what happened.

The ones I had originally were 2/3. one is way to tight and the other doesn't move at all. Now I installed my replacement mounts (2/3) and they are worst, neither of them move at all this time. I'll call them after the weekend and get them to send me some full circle mounts. Fucking idiots use me as a test subjet for their crap. I have better things to do then take my coils apart every week.

[240on430]

That is most likely what happened.

The ones I had originally were 2/3. one is way to tight and the other doesn't move at all. Now I installed my replacement mounts (2/3) and they are worst, neither of them move at all this time. I'll call them after the weekend and get them to send me some full circle mounts. Fucking idiots use me as a test subjet for their crap. I have better things to do then take my coils apart every week.

that's fucked up. they should give you 50% off coupon for shocks or something.I was thinkinging the same about the guinni (sp?) pig testing.I just hope I don't have the first batch of prototypes that people had reported premature wear on. anyone know the diff between the prototypes and the new full circle design?

[chuonthis]

That is most likely what happened.

The ones I had originally were 2/3. one is way to tight and the other doesn't move at all. Now I installed my replacement mounts (2/3) and they are worst, neither of them move at all this time. I'll call them after the weekend and get them to send me some full circle mounts. Fucking idiots use me as a test subjet for their crap. I have better things to do then take my coils apart every week.
+rep for you for testing them out. At least it seems we got to the bottom of the problem. In a way, we were all guinea pigs for their 2/3 circle mounts since we heard such great things about their product which had the full circle mounts and they made the switch without us knowing.

Also, it shouldn't take too long to replace the mounts. Just jack up the car, unbolt the top nut, slide the strut out of the mount, unbolt the mount, bolt in new mount, slide strut back in, bolt on top nut. No need to take the coilovers out.

[91gst]

I have gr+pro's on my s13 and Ive been having the binding problem since day one and Ive been on the phone with Stance at least once a week trying to fix the problem. So I finally got them to send me new mounts after trying everything I could think of and everything they suggested.

So, i just received my new mounts in the mail and they are still the 2/3 circle mounts. I guess Ill put them in anyway and see what happens. Im gonna be pissed if I have the pull the coilover out one more time, this is rediculous after paying $1200.

[91gst]

Sorry this is kinda off topic but, on my front coilovers the dampening knob stoped clicking. So I can spin my dampening knob all day without is stoping, and I don't know what dampening setting I'm at.

anyone else have this problem?

I also noticed that this might a problem with mine pretty soon. I noticed that it will click sometimes and other times i wont feel it click when I turn the knob. I really hope its not getting screwed up.

[logik23]

Yeah, you don't need to take the coilovers out, just undo the top 3 bolts on both sides, pull them both down (you can't really pull them down one at a time because of the sway bar). Then undo the 4 little allean key bolt, then undo the top nut, it's pretty easy. You could just undo the allen key bolts and leave the top plate attached to the car, but I find its harder to line up the allen key bolts them to line up the top bolts in the hole of the strut tower.

By not undoing the bottom bracket, you don't lose your allignement. (As long as you put the allen bolts back in the same place, but thats easy, just count the lines.

[240on430]

+rep for you for testing them out. At least it seems we got to the bottom of the problem. In a way, we were all guinea pigs for their 2/3 circle mounts since we heard such great things about their product which had the full circle mounts and they made the switch without us knowing.

Also, it shouldn't take too long to replace the mounts. Just jack up the car, unbolt the top nut, slide the strut out of the mount, unbolt the mount, bolt in new mount, slide strut back in, bolt on top nut. No need to take the coilovers out.
removing the away bar links is a hassle to me though. some setups might be able to do what you suggested.but why send another 2/3 if they already knew the one change they made to the new batch of coilover before there weren't many complaints?

[91gst]

well i installed my new mounts(2/3 circle replacements) today. It definitely isnt clunking anymore the way it was but it does it randomly but not as loud.

But now I have another problem...At a standstill when i turn the wheel the steering wheel vibrates but it doesnt clunk as loudly. Its too late now but Ill double check everything tomorrow to make sure its tight.

Also, I noticed that the wheel isnt pulling as much after a tight turn.

[logik23]

Full circle is the only way to go. It seems thats not only is the 2/3 defective, but they have varrying quality. Some are partialy seized, some are almost seized and some are completly seized.

[D1GP]

240on430, have you tried adding any preload?

[240on430]

240on430, have you tried adding any preload?

I haven't added preload, but there is a small amount preload already.so if anyone is about to install full circle mounts, add more than a couple rotations of preload and let us know if you have any noise problems.if nobody reports back...ill have a good amount of time to add more preload on wednesday.

[916S14]

I just installed a set of GR +'s and having the same exact problems everyone here has. But my coilovers for some reason make a clunking noise when i turn and when i drive over a bump. Any bump i hit it makes a really loud nasty clunking noise like something is loose. Anyone have that problem?

[D1GP]

I just installed a set of GR +'s and having the same exact problems everyone here has. But my coilovers for some reason make a clunking noise when i turn and when i drive over a bump. Any bump i hit it makes a really loud nasty clunking noise like something is loose. Anyone have that problem?

check your exhaust. having the stiff suspension destroyed one of my grommets which allowed the exhaust to clunk.

[240on430]

check your exhaust. having the stiff suspension destroyed one of my grommets which allowed the exhaust to clunk.

is the noise coming from the front? did you torque down the pillow ball nut?

[916S14]

i know its not the exhause for sure because its coming from the front, it sounds like the strut is moving... but i know its no because i had my friend drive my car while i checked everything out, i have no yet torqued the top nut down yet, so i'll try to zap it lightly with a torque gun.

[916S14]

well zapped the top nut with the impact once, and the noise went away, thanks 240on430. Now to get rid of the clunk when i turn. I emailed Stance about it, but they didnt get baclk to me. And i also bought mine at a shop near San Francisco. so hopefully they dont hassle me about where i bought it. i'll post how it goes.

[240on430]

i know its not the exhause for sure because its coming from the front, it sounds like the strut is moving... but i know its no because i had my friend drive my car while i checked everything out, i have no yet torqued the top nut down yet, so i'll try to zap it lightly with a torque gun.

fwiw, I can see 4 threads left after tightening the top nut down on the old and new mounts.

[916S14]

yeah i tightened mine and you can see about 4 or 3 1/2 threads. Thanks man.

[240on430]

well zapped the top nut with the impact once, and the noise went away, thanks 240on430. Now to get rid of the clunk when i turn. I emailed Stance about it, but they didnt get baclk to me. And i also bought mine at a shop near San Francisco. so hopefully they dont hassle me about where i bought it. i'll post how it goes.

they might be waiting for the other people to report back.

[916S14]

Hey 240on430, you said you bought yours from some shop right? not from the actual Stance company? So when you called to get your new mounts, they didnt ask where your bought and if you had warranty or not?

[240on430]

Hey 240on430, you said you bought yours from some shop right? not from the actual Stance company? So when you called to get your new mounts, they didnt ask where your bought and if you had warranty or not?

ya i told them where and when i bought them.

they didn't ask about a warranty.

[916S14]

sweet, thank you man, i'm trying to get a hold of them, but its labor day, so yeah. Tomorrow hopefully. I'll post results.

[chuonthis]

Called Stance earlier today. They said they'd send out my replacement mounts today or tomorrow. They had my name and address on file because I emailed them before but they did ask where I got them from but that was it. Will report back when I get them.

[NemeGuero]

Can someone PM me the contact info you guys used to get ahold of stance to express your issues?

I'm having the same problems but I have the full circle mounts. WTF

[916S14]

Still no reply from Stance =(. But today i noticed a new problem. Every time i drive into a steep driveway or make a hard turn the BACK coilovers make that sounds. It sounds the same as the "boing" from the front, but now its coming from the back. I did the 2 turns of preload and all that BS. Dont know whats happening.... Any ideas? thanks.

[ewuzh]

Called Stance earlier today. They said they'd send out my replacement mounts today or tomorrow. They had my name and address on file because I emailed them before but they did ask where I got them from but that was it. Will report back when I get them.

Coo. They just told me they are sending me a set too. I hope it fixes everything.

Can someone PM me the contact info you guys used to get ahold of stance to express your issues?

I'm having the same problems but I have the full circle mounts. WTF

I just went to their website, Stance-usa.com. The contact info is all there.

[916S14]

Can someone PM me the contact info you guys used to get ahold of stance to express your issues?

I'm having the same problems but I have the full circle mounts. WTF

I called Stance and they said that it doesnt matter which mounts it is, the full of 2/3 cirlce ones. They said thats its a bad bearing and they are replacing everyones that calls in. Good luck.

[NemeGuero]

I called Stance and they said that it doesnt matter which mounts it is, the full of 2/3 cirlce ones. They said thats its a bad bearing and they are replacing everyones that calls in. Good luck.

sweet, thanks for that.

[240on430]

Still no reply from Stance =(. But today i noticed a new problem. Every time i drive into a steep driveway or make a hard turn the BACK coilovers make that sounds. It sounds the same as the "boing" from the front, but now its coming from the back. I did the 2 turns of preload and all that BS. Dont know whats happening.... Any ideas? thanks.

do you have the rear helper springs? I also hear a noise from the coilovers in the rear when going up or down a driveway on 3 wheels. I think its the helper spring compressing all the way and the metal to metal makes the noise we hear. it doesn't bother me though.I can't remember if I hear the noise when the 4th wheel goes off the ground or goes down.

[916S14]

No i dont have helper springs. And yeah it makes that noise when the rear wheel goes off the ground. Makes a BOING sounds like the spring is settling in there or moving around or binding.... still trying to figure that one out. any help would be great! =)

[davidrools]

Still no reply from Stance =(. But today i noticed a new problem. Every time i drive into a steep driveway or make a hard turn the BACK coilovers make that sounds. It sounds the same as the "boing" from the front, but now its coming from the back. I did the 2 turns of preload and all that BS. Dont know whats happening.... Any ideas? thanks.

any chance you're driving a HICAS equipped s13?

[davidrools]

so i will ask once again, how have you been keeping the shaft from turning when adjusting/removing the top nut. and please dont say you grabbed the shaft with vise grips. thanks.

mike

if you don't have an impact wrench, a big (i mean BIG) pair of channelocks will let you hold the top spring perch (gold piece) which is fixed to the shaft/male threads. kind of awkward to get up there, i haven't tried it myself but just wanted to offer that suggestion. big channelocks also work great to compress a brake piston when you're replacing pads.

[916S14]

any chance you're driving a HICAS equipped s13?

nope... driving an s14. Still having that noise issue. Tried to look at it yesterday, but cant figure it out. Can it be the rear top mount be messed up too?

[Munch]

For people still looking for ways to torque the top nut on the shocks, refer to an earlier post i made.


BTW, for people looking for how to torque the top nut without the piston spinning. The way i did it was i got one of my spanner wrenches, put it in position on the upper spring perch, and wedged it up against the wall of the area where the shock goes. The wrench stops the piston from rotating so u can torque away.

[misfitsfreak81]

if you don't have an impact wrench, a big (i mean BIG) pair of channelocks will let you hold the top spring perch (gold piece) which is fixed to the shaft/male threads. kind of awkward to get up there, i haven't tried it myself but just wanted to offer that suggestion. big channelocks also work great to compress a brake piston when you're replacing pads.

yeah i have airtools and all that. zapped it with the impact gun till about 4 threads show. still have the noise, not as bad though. i have the full circle mounts as well. anyone else starting to wish they had a gotten different coilovers?

im calling them tomorrow to try and get replacement mounts.
mike

[D1GP]

For people still looking for ways to torque the top nut on the shocks, refer to an earlier post i made.

Originally Posted by Munch View Post
BTW, for people looking for how to torque the top nut without the piston spinning. The way i did it was i got one of my spanner wrenches, put it in position on the upper spring perch, and wedged it up against the wall of the area where the shock goes. The wrench stops the piston from rotating so u can torque away.

when i originally done that months ago, it worked in stopping the piston from spinning but when i tried it most recently (after i tried flipping the spring upside down), i was no longer able to keep that piston from spinning even with the spanner wrench jammed up there. any clue to what is happening?

[Rocklobster]

Hey guys,

I found this thread from a reference.

Us FC3s RX-7 guys are having the same issue with our camber plate top pillowball mounts. Seems like a batch of systems shipped late july and through Aug all have siezed or bad pillowballs.

It's not just your nissan setups.

Sounds like stance is working hard to resolve this though. They said they would send out replacements as soon as they had them in....

[240on430]

^^^

thanks for posting. are you rx guys hearing the noise on the rear also?

can you post the link to the stance coilover problems thread?

[Rocklobster]

I've not had any abnormal noise other than the springs poping and binding in the front end from the bad pillowballs.

I guess i should say that between race exhaust, poly motor, subframe, and trany mounts. Intake noise and all the other stuff that transmits more noise to the cabin i havnt noticed anything that stood out. I'm used to noisy car, but i could tell this issue with my front suspension wasnt right not just fromt he horrible noise created by the coils binding and loading axially but also from all the wicked steering side effects.

[chuonthis]

I just got off the phone with Stance. I asked them to check on the status of my replacement mounts which they said they would send out last Tue or Wed. They said they hadn't sent them out yet because they didn't have any in stock and were waiting for a shipment of them which would be in "within the next week." Grr...

The real reason I called though was because my coilovers are so bouncy. Not sure if I should use this thread to describe it but here it is: even on the smoothest roads, I am bouncing up and down, especially when I'm driving under 40 mph. It's sometimes like a teeter-totter effect. Other times, it's just the whole car bouncing. With any stiffness setting of 1-7, I pretty much bounce nonstop throughout all roads and freeways. With a setting of 8-13, it's not as bouncy but it's still there, "just stiffened". It's pretty embarrassing driving in a parking lot now since I'm basically bouncing through the parking lot and then when I turn, the springs pop. I've ridden in other S14s with Stance coilovers and they were all normal. Has anyone else had this problem?

I'm guessing I have a blown damper somewhere but I can't really see anything in my visual checks. I was going to test out the front dampers when I replaced the front mounts but now that's gonna be at least another 2 weeks, so I guess I'll just check them sooner. ::sigh::

[Rocklobster]

One other thought, i doubt that the 2/3 vs full circle has anything to do with this problem. It looks to me like the "cut" edge of the circle might be a newer design feature to maximize camber adjustability on your cars. And perhaps when they changed the design they changed the manufacturere and the tollerances got messed up. This is all just my guess.

[Rocklobster]

I just got off the phone with Stance. I asked them to check on the status of my replacement mounts which they said they would send out last Tue or Wed. They said they hadn't sent them out yet because they didn't have any in stock and were waiting for a shipment of them which would be in "within the next week." Grr...

Stance is telling me the same thing. But hey, at least they are after it and going to help, and responded to my e-mail the same day.


The real reason I called though was because my coilovers are so bouncy. Not sure if I should use this thread to describe it but here it is: even on the smoothest roads, I am bouncing up and down, especially when I'm driving under 40 mph. It's sometimes like a teeter-totter effect. Other times, it's just the whole car bouncing. With any stiffness setting of 1-7, I pretty much bounce nonstop throughout all roads and freeways. With a setting of 8-13, it's not as bouncy but it's still there, "just stiffened". It's pretty embarrassing driving in a parking lot now since I'm basically bouncing through the parking lot and then when I turn, the springs pop. I've ridden in other S14s with Stance coilovers and they were all normal. Has anyone else had this problem?

I'm guessing I have a blown damper somewhere but I can't really see anything in my visual checks. I was going to test out the front dampers when I replaced the front mounts but now that's gonna be at least another 2 weeks, so I guess I'll just check them sooner. ::sigh::

This is a classic symptom of too much preload on the springs. Also adding preload will never do anything to cure the problem of a siezed pillow ball or one with too litle clearance and in fact wont help at all. Becauset he car loads the springs the same amount when the car is on its tires regardless of preload.

The shaft nut being too loose can cause the same kind of springs rotating in thier perches problem. It could also be a blown damper but, if the system is relativly new it's more likely that there is too much preload.

The only reason you preload the springs at all is so they dont shift around when the suspension unloads (when the car is on a lift or something) thus changing your alignment.

Your suposed to only have enough preload so you really have to muscle the springs with both hands to get them to turn in the perches when the tires are off the ground.

[chuonthis]

^^^ Running zero preload all around. Each spring barely can't move up and down. Before all this spring popping, I had it at 2 full turns of preload (as recommended in the install sheet) and same problem. I have GR+Pros with helper springs in the rear but I'm pretty sure they compress all the way on load.

[overb0ost]

i've read that 1/4" preload is probably the max you should go on these springs.

however, stance recommends 0 preload.

im running 1/4" and i find it alright.

[Rocklobster]

I see. Then your probably right, and have one or more blown dampers.

To be honest that is what worries me the most about this issue. Is that all the axial spring loading and having the shaft turn in the damper when steering will prematurely tear up the dampers seals, etc.... I was also worried it might potentially yield the springs in some way.

What a mess......ugh....

[overb0ost]

how does the seized pillowball affect the suspension? i know it messed up the steering making it harder to turn and making the wheel not center back etc.

anything else?

would the damage also occur when turning at high speeds or is there enough force to keep the spring from moving and force the pillowball to move instead.

i only hear the spring binding a bit, it has gotten better over the few months i have driven on them (since april). i hope the dampers aren't damaged too much, or i'll have to call and ask them to replace them while warranty is still good.

[240on430]

One other thought, i doubt that the 2/3 vs full circle has anything to do with this problem. It looks to me like the "cut" edge of the circle might be a newer design feature to maximize camber adjustability on your cars. And perhaps when they changed the design they changed the manufacturere and the tollerances got messed up. This is all just my guess.

someone that was sent full circle replacements had the noise spring noise problem still.

is stance sending out replacements to everyone that needs them?

[916S14]

hey guys, i still have that rear noise issue. it happens whenever one of my tires go up in the air, and it happends on the side of the tire that is in the air. I took my shocks apart and saw nothing wrong. They were torqued correctly, everything looks fine. I really have no idea whats wrong. Someone please help. Any help at all would be great!

[Munch]

hey guys, i still have that rear noise issue. it happens whenever one of my tires go up in the air, and it happends on the side of the tire that is in the air. I took my shocks apart and saw nothing wrong. They were torqued correctly, everything looks fine. I really have no idea whats wrong. Someone please help. Any help at all would be great!


Are the springs drooped int he rear or anything? Ive never heard any noises from the rear so ive got no solutions for you.

[916S14]

the car is dropped like an inch and a half. It doesnt sound like the spring. I jacked my car up took the wheels off and put the jack under the strut. Everytime i jacked the strut up and dropped it, the clunking noise would appear. Its sounds like its coming from the top. Can the rear upper mount be bad too? Suggestions would still be helpful! THANKS.

[patsilvia]

This is my first time of this forum.
I feel i'm so lucky see this thead because I'm waiting for stance coilover
to be instock at stance-usa and buy it.
This thread make me think of the other make of coilover at the same price range.
Should I stick with stance or go for other route cusco zero-1 or greddy..etc.
pls. suggest.

[D1GP]

The real reason I called though was because my coilovers are so bouncy. Not sure if I should use this thread to describe it but here it is: even on the smoothest roads, I am bouncing up and down, especially when I'm driving under 40 mph. It's sometimes like a teeter-totter effect. Other times, it's just the whole car bouncing. With any stiffness setting of 1-7, I pretty much bounce nonstop throughout all roads and freeways. With a setting of 8-13, it's not as bouncy but it's still there, "just stiffened". It's pretty embarrassing driving in a parking lot now since I'm basically bouncing through the parking lot and then when I turn, the springs pop. I've ridden in other S14s with Stance coilovers and they were all normal. Has anyone else had this problem?


Are they still relatively new? Because mine are about 5 months old and were bouncy ever since I've got them. I've looked at the shock dyno and the rebound are terrible on these.

[fantasya98]

man, i just installed my coilovers, w/the 2/3rd upper mounts too and am getting the same problem. i wish i read this thread before ordering, kts..

[EDacIouSX]

before ordering KTS? I dno't get it. My stance's are perfectly fine, no problems at all.

[916S14]

So all the people that got the new mounts have fixed their problem? AND PLEASE HELP ME WITH THE REAR NOISE. its really driving me crazy.

[D1GP]

So all the people that got the new mounts have fixed their problem? AND PLEASE HELP ME WITH THE REAR NOISE. its really driving me crazy.

make sure you tighten the top nuts and mess with the preload to see if it can remove or minimize the sound. give the helper springs a few turns as well.

[916S14]

I have no helper springs, and i tightened and messed with the preload like 4 times now.... help...

[EDacIouSX]

I have no helper springs, and i tightened and messed with the preload like 4 times now.... help...

did you check the nut on the top hat? Mine was loose before. I think its a 13mm or a 14mm for the rears. front i believe is a 17 or a 19mm. possibly 21 but im pretty sure it's not that big.

[240on430]

hey guys, i still have that rear noise issue. it happens whenever one of my tires go up in the air, and it happends on the side of the tire that is in the air. I took my shocks apart and saw nothing wrong. They were torqued correctly, everything looks fine. I really have no idea whats wrong. Someone please help. Any help at all would be great!

i also hear the noise still. it does not bother me much, but i'll try to tighten the top not.

fyi, the front top nut is a 21mm.

The real reason I called though was because my coilovers are so bouncy. Not sure if I should use this thread to describe it but here it is: even on the smoothest roads, I am bouncing up and down, especially when I'm driving under 40 mph. It's sometimes like a teeter-totter effect. Other times, it's just the whole car bouncing. With any stiffness setting of 1-7, I pretty much bounce nonstop throughout all roads and freeways. With a setting of 8-13, it's not as bouncy but it's still there, "just stiffened". It's pretty embarrassing driving in a parking lot now since I'm basically bouncing through the parking lot and then when I turn, the springs pop. I've ridden in other S14s with Stance coilovers and they were all normal. Has anyone else had this problem?

what settings are you running on front and rear? b/c it sounds like you have the front too soft.

[chuonthis]

Front nut is 21mm, rear nut is 17mm (will need deep socket).

I previously tried running any and all damper settings to fix my bounciness problem. 0-13 clicks matched all around, and basically, 0-13 clicks in front and +/- 1-4 clicks in the rear. Nothing really helped. I ended up driving at 10 clicks all around since that was overall the best but still bad.

I took out the coilovers to test the shocks to see if they were blown last week. While I was at it, I decided to change to the 9/7 springs since I was using the 8/6 springs and everyone else seems to be running 9/7 or stiffer. I only had time the first night to take out the fronts so I was running 9/6. I took it for a test drive and it was soooooo much better. No more bouncing out of no where. No more teeter-tottering. I had it at the softest all around and I almost felt like I was in a luxury car...except when I was going slow. Going slow over bumps was still a little bouncy. So I thought when I tested the rears and made the swap to 7k springs, it would be perfect. So I did that the next night and the bounciness returned! I tried playing with different damper settings but couldn't get the bouncing to go away. (None of the shocks were blown.)

So for some reason, my car doesn't like the 8/6 or 9/7 spring combinations but feels great at 9/6. I have the fronts dampers set to 8 and the rears set to 4 right now and it feels really good--comfort and handling. So if anyone has an excessively bouncy ride like I did, they may want to give the 9/6 combination a try. Would it help if I tried 10/6? I have an S14 btw.

As far as the rear noise, I have it too. It's most evident when making a right turn into a driveway/parking lot. The rear passenger coilover will clunk. Top nut is tightened, as much as I can anyway. Happens with zero or some preload. I never have any droop in the springs. Right now, I have the helper springs removed to see if that helps but it doesn't.

When I called Stance three weeks ago and told them about the replacement mounts, they said they were going to wait until the testers reported back. When I called Stance two weeks ago and told them about the replacement mounts, they offered to send the replacements right away (they said they would ship that day or the next). When I called Stance one week ago, they said nothing had shipped yet because they ran out and were waiting for a shipment of upper mounts. So I don't think anyone has been shipped replacement mounts except for the testers.

[mtx450]

When I first got my stance coilovers in....it made that noise...it was due to the spring perch actually being TOO tight..

[916S14]

Hey guys back again, this time i tried to loses the top nut just a bit in the possibility that it was too tight, nope, than i tried the spring perches.....nope...this noise seems like its coming from the top mount... i used the jack while my car was in the air to jack the control arm and drop it and it produces the same noise as on the road. Problem is i have no freaking idea what it is. I have 8/7 and ran 8/6 before, i had no problems with the bouncies and whatever. These are great coilovers and all, just the noise is making my teeth cringe. So could the top mount be bad in the rear also? suggestion still appretiated.

[fantasya98]

before ordering KTS? I dno't get it. My stance's are perfectly fine, no problems at all.

no i meant that if i knew about this i wouldve ordered the kts. anyways, i hope this gets resolved and ill prob. be calling stance soon also.

[D1GP]

Hey guys back again, this time i tried to loses the top nut just a bit in the possibility that it was too tight, nope, than i tried the spring perches.....nope...this noise seems like its coming from the top mount... i used the jack while my car was in the air to jack the control arm and drop it and it produces the same noise as on the road. Problem is i have no freaking idea what it is. I have 8/7 and ran 8/6 before, i had no problems with the bouncies and whatever. These are great coilovers and all, just the noise is making my teeth cringe. So could the top mount be bad in the rear also? suggestion still appretiated.

on the bottom mount of the rear spring, one side of the bushing is longer then the other, you might want to try flipping them around or maybe swapping the left to the right to see if that does anything.

[240on430]

chuonthis, thanks for posting.

how tight should the rear top nut be torqued(ft-lbs)?

[chuonthis]

I set my torque wrench to 55 ft-lbs but I could never reach it since the shaft would spin, so my guess is as tight as you can get it.

As for the rear bottom mounts, during one of my calls to Stance, I asked them about it and they said the longer side should face out towards the wheel. I had them the other way but spinning them didn't help with my bounciness problem.

[916S14]

wait, are you guys talking about on the bottom end of the rear strut, where it bolts up to the car, it has that little rubber bushing, the longer side should be facing out? Mine are facing in, i though that was the way it was suppose to be... But i will try that as soon as i can. Thanks guys, and stance is taking forever about getting those replacement mounts in, been almost a month now.

longer side facing out towards the wheel means facing you right? when you look at the strut straight on?

[xanavi_D]

what a bummer.... after all the hype i figured this coilover was the way to go. mine makes the boing noise in the rear and i cant tighten the top nut on the front cause the shaft will just start to spin. the top nut comes loose allllllll the time tho, making a horrible clunking noise but i cant tighten it down for good.

[chuonthis]

Well, maybe you guys should double-check with Stance. When I called and asked, the guy put me on hold for a second and came back and said the longer side "faces out towards the spindle". Maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about so he had to ask someone?

I had longer side facing in but with the longer side facing out, it does even out the spacing between the coilover and the RUCA (MAX parts) so I left it at that.

[240on430]

what a bummer.... after all the hype i figured this coilover was the way to go. mine makes the boing noise in the rear and i cant tighten the top nut on the front cause the shaft will just start to spin. the top nut comes loose allllllll the time tho, making a horrible clunking noise but i cant tighten it down for good.

I think you just need to find a way to stop the shaft from spinning.As for the rear mount, I installed them with the longer end in, the opposite of what that stance rep. suggested earlier in a post.And for bounciness, I had some excessive movement in the front. I ran zero preload, just to hold the springs, because I wanted to first test out the new mounts I got in. Yesterday, I added preload, and the bounciness is gone. The front hardly moves now, only in bigger bumps. Even though I added more preload, it isn't a lot harder than with zero preload. now I can set the damping softer in the front....im just glad the front pillowball noise when turning went away!

[916S14]

it was weird, when i was taking off the top nut in the rear, one of the shafts didnt spin and one side did. I used an impact, and LIGHTLY zapped it, i compared the one i did by hand. I think its ok to use impact as long as you dont go insane and sit there for a minute tighting the nut until something snaps and hits you in the eye. As for the mounting of the bottom mount on the rear.... i'm still confused, SO stance said that the longer side should be facing OUT towards the oposite wheel? i'm gonna call em.

[240on430]

it was weird, when i was taking off the top nut in the rear, one of the shafts didnt spin and one side did. I used an impact, and LIGHTLY zapped it, i compared the one i did by hand. I think its ok to use impact as long as you dont go insane and sit there for a minute tighting the nut until something snaps and hits you in the eye. As for the mounting of the bottom mount on the rear.... i'm still confused, SO stance said that the longer side should be facing OUT towards the oposite wheel? i'm gonna call em.

the longer part should be facing the wheel/spindle from what chuonthis posted.

[916S14]

the longer part should be facing the wheel/spindle from what chuonthis posted.

if thats the case, thats the way i have it. It looks like its common sence putting it that way, by that way i mean the longer side facing you. So still need advice on the clunking noise in the rear. :hahano:

[logik23]

It's so easy to tighten the top bolt on the front.

All you have to do is hold the top mount (at the top of the spring) with one of the spanner wrenches while you are tightening the nut. You can use a torque wrench this way.

IT'S EASY!! lol

[D1GP]

has anyone received their replacements pillowball mounts recently?

[916S14]

^^^ thats what i'm asking. I've been waiting for over a F&&KING month.

[ewuzh]

I haven't gotten anything yet, not even an update. Stance is really lagging it in terms of support and service. Shoulda got those Tanabes....

[916S14]

i called stance today, and told me the same thing they told me everything i called, "we'll send them out as soon as we get them" DO THEY GET SOME ONCE A YEAR OR SOMETHING?

[overb0ost]

yes! i got the new revised stance pillowballs

i'll take pics later when i come back home

they are 2/3 but stance reassured me that its not the style of the mounts, its the bearings inside of them.

ps: most of you guys should have got yours or at least very soon. I live in Canada so i would think i would be the last to get them

[240on430]

yes! i got the new revised stance pillowballs

i'll take pics later when i come back home

they are 2/3 but stance reassured me that its not the style of the mounts, its the bearings inside of them.

ps: most of you guys should have got yours or at least very soon. I live in Canada so i would think i would be the last to get them

a lot more people should be getting the new mounts then. let us know how it goes.

btw, how long have you had your stances?

[KiDyNomiTe]

I talked to the guys at Stance today after seeing this thread. Here are the facts. There were small numbers of pillowball bearing seat for the front of s13, s14 coilovers that were slightly over torqued when they were manufactured. Usually they free up and loosen up after normal driving, but some of them have not. They are aware of this problem and working to resolve it as soon as possible. The reason why its taking long is that these are made in house and they want to send out new ones with the correct torque specs. production time + shipping inbound+ shipping to you = 3-4wks

Don't worry if you have the half moon type or full circle type, they are same. half moon allows more camber adj., doens't affect s chassis too much.

You guys complaining about support, do some research and you'll appreciate the guys at stance alot more. I have 2 friends with JIC that leaked within weeks, JIC told both of them that it was install error and refused to warranty. My silkroads rusted and could not get any replacement parts. 2 friends with Tanabe DD rear shocks blew, could not get any replacement parts.

I'm not trying to bad mouth any of these products, just my experiences and facts. I know for a fact that the guys at stance take afterservice seriously. So chill out and give the guys at Stance some break.

Almost every coilover with pillowball bearing type makes noise, Ive been in cars with Zeal, tein, tanabe, jic, silkroads, stance, bilstieins. I had one of the front top bolt come loose on my stance and started to clunk, took me 2 mins to tighten the top nut and noise went away.

[KiDyNomiTe]

For the guys that are saying you don't want to get Stance because of this issue, this thread should let you know that you should get stance more. Not too many companies in this industry will admit problems and go out of their way to fix problems.

Don't worry, you didn't buy hype! Hype does not create champions. There are more, but these are just few highlights. Most of these cars are using off the shelf shocks. Some of them are using custom valved setups.

N.A.S.A Time Trial R Class 2007 ( This is no limit, all out modified class=hella fast cars)

DTM Motorsports 2007 TTR Champion ( Overall champion )

Midwest Cup Series Champion - 2007

Rob Riter: 2007 MWC Champion

NOPI Drift - 2007 ( Overall champion)

Bill Sherman (Enjuku Racing) - Champion

NOPI Drift Pittsburg - July 29, 2007

Bill Sherman (Enjuku Racing): First Place

NOPI Drift Denver - June 24, 2007

Bill Sherman (Enjuku Racing): First Place



Canadian Touring Car Championship - May 12, 2007

Sasha Anis (SG Motorsports): 1st Place

Redline: Time Attack! Button Willow April 29, 2007 ( This car competes in street and unlimited and placed in top 6 in almost every event)

Unlimited Class RWD:
Scott Bush (Relentless): 2nd Place 1:58.551

Redline: Time Attack! Button Willow April 29, 2007

Street Class AWD:
Frank Lin (Mach III): 3rd Place 2:05.343

Redline: Time Attack! California Speedway February 11, 2007

Street Class RWD:
Scott Bush/Mike Bonnani: 1st Place 1:18.464

[overb0ost]

to answer your question 240on430 i had them since around May.

and great post KID, everytime i call stance they help me as much as they can with answering my questions with all the knowledge they possess. I don't regret buying stance at all. This is probably one of the few companies that will send out replacement parts, FOR FREE. FREE SHIPPING.
sorry, but i don't know any other company that would do this to fix such a problem. also as KID said, admitting to it shows they got balls and want to fix this error asap.

+1 for stance

[D1GP]

to answer your question 240on430 i had them since around May.

and great post KID, everytime i call stance they help me as much as they can with answering my questions with all the knowledge they possess. I don't regret buying stance at all. This is probably one of the few companies that will send out replacement parts, FOR FREE. FREE SHIPPING.
sorry, but i don't know any other company that would do this to fix such a problem. also as KID said, admitting to it shows they got balls and want to fix this error asap.

+1 for stance

that's great... start to fix shit when enough ppl start to complain to the point where it would affect future business but leave me with my thumb up my ass in the early stage of the problem. *applause*. i'm glad the problem is getting resolved now but even that one lowly customer matters. it would've been nice to hear back from my early emails even if it was just a "we are working on this problem and will get back to you soon".

[vvtisupra]

sometimes when coilovers are assembled they could have the spacer washer on the bottom when the yshould be on top. It was like that on a set of apexi coilovers i had a while ago on my s13. This is referring to the whole top hat assembly

[chuonthis]

Received my replacement pillowball mounts today. They're the 2/3 circles and they're black instead of gold. Took about 45 minutes to replace them. Binding seems to be gone on the passenger side but my driver side still has it, just not as much. I'll give it a couple of days for it to break in before I call them. =T

[240on430]

those black mounts might be from the new al+ coilovers. let us know If they don't loosen up.sometimes when coilovers are assembled they could have the spacer washer on the bottom when the yshould be on top. It was like that on a set of apexi coilovers i had a while ago on my s13. This is referring to the whole top hat assembly

I don't see where else the spacer can be installed. on mine, its under the pillowball, on top of the upper perch.btw, still no noises other than the rear while driving up driveways on 3 wheels. I still haven't rotated the rear shocks to get the longer part of the mount towards the outside/wheel.

[ewuzh]

I finally got my mounts yesterday and installed them. Same ones as you, chuonthis, except my spring binding is completely gone now and the steering is buttery smooth. I hope it stays this way *knock on wood.*

[916S14]

I still didnt get anything from stance. I saw the UPS truck today and i was hoping really bad he would knock on my door but he kept going. And i dont know guys, everytime i call stance they dont really help out that much.... all they say is "We'll send them out as soon as we get them" I asked how long that can take and they hung up on me. so yeah

[240on430]

flipped the rear lower mounts and the rear noise while 3 wheeling is still there.

it doesn't bother me, but if someone finds a fix...

on a side note, i think i want to replace the pillowballs with rubber bushing mounts. i drive in san francisco a lot and want a quieter ride.

[overb0ost]

i installed mine and didn't take too long either

ya mine were black as well.

the binding was basically 95% gone compared to before (wasn't binding THAT much to start with) so i'm pretty satisfied. (i'm not even sure if its a binding sound because its so feint, im running 17x9s +19 (235s) on stock s14 body. i think its more of a rubbing issue since i only hear it closer to full lock. no binding sound inbetween tho)

the steering also feels more smoother and lighter

my camber seems to be fucked up tho...the alignment guys moved one side of the plates to one side..and the other side looks like it was untouched.

so my memory steer is still there, not sure if its because of the camber screw up (affecting toe and caster) or maybe its the U-joint at the steering rack.

i only drove on them for less 2hrs so they could still use some "loosening up"

[ewuzh]

Hmm speaking of which, I also have a small bit of memory steer, but that may be because my alignment is all jacked up again. I noticed the lock nut on the RUCA was loose last weekend :-\

[BigPawr]

Now the question is...Where can I get a set of Stance Coilovers that I can be sure come with this new replacment part? I don't want to buy them and get the old version with ball joint issue and then have to call stance and wait.

[Sir]

TF just got some in yesterday :D
Hoping mine won't be an issue

[overb0ost]

hrmmm i'm getting a weird noise from the rear, not sure if its normal

whenever i turn from lock to lock when not moving, near lock on both sides i hear a similar binding noise, but more of a faded noise. anyone get some type of sound when doing this? open your windows and see if you can hear it.

[Munch]

Got my replacements yesterday and installing them tomorrow. We'll see how it goes for me.

[240on430]

hrmmm i'm getting a weird noise from the rear, not sure if its normal

whenever i turn from lock to lock when not moving, near lock on both sides i hear a similar binding noise, but more of a faded noise. anyone get some type of sound when doing this? open your windows and see if you can hear it.

I had that noise, but it went away by itself.

[Munch]

So im having problems with my install here...one side seems to be going well, but the other side, i cant get the top nut to unscrew. Everytime i try to move it, it along with the piston move as one. Holding the top spring perch with the coilover wrench doesnt help because the top nut, ball joint, and piston will just move together without the top perch.

So im kinda stuck as to how im gonna get the piston to stay still while i unscrew the top nut.

[240on430]

So im having problems with my install here...one side seems to be going well, but the other side, i cant get the top nut to unscrew. Everytime i try to move it, it along with the piston move as one. Holding the top spring perch with the coilover wrench doesnt help because the top nut, ball joint, and piston will just move together without the top perch.

So im kinda stuck as to how im gonna get the piston to stay still while i unscrew the top nut.

gotta be done with imact. take the assembly and the new mounts off the car to a shop.

[Munch]

Managed to get it apart with quite an assortment of tools holding various things...but now im having trouble getting the top nut detached from the ball joint...its like theyre fused together or something.

[overb0ost]

ok heres my review after going to a drift event.

the night before the event, i just wanted to spray some oil to lube it up so it could settle in overnight.

i sprayed oil...and the binding is at an unbearable stage right now. even if i'm going 30km/hr i can hear it pop when i make a turn.

when i put the new pillowballs on the coilover, they did not EASILY move. most of my force had to be put to move it and it definetely did not move smoothly.

my old mounts were way better then this. i don't know how oil made it worse. before the oil/lube was put, i didn't hear any binding sounds. unless it was REAL bad that the twisting of the piston happened without making any noise (i don't think thats possible?)

so...i'm going back to my old mounts. screwed up my drift competition event cause of the inconsistency in steering.

i kinda wish i bought KTS coilovers now.......

[Munch]

Managed to get the joints swapped over to the new ones, and no improvement in my issues. Im not saying the new mounts are bad, theyre probably in fact better then my old ones, but i think my coilovers have been working incorrectly for so long; rotating the threaded body around the piston, that it physically CANT rotate the ball joint like it should.

I think my coilovers are just too worn out around the seal to have enough friction to turn the joint. I can rotate the piston and threaded body separately by hand, its so worn.

Owell.

Im just grateful Stance took the effort to send me a new joint, even if it didnt fix my problem.

[overb0ost]

^^ ask them for replacement parts for the worn out ones, under warranty of course.

[Munch]

Ide need completely new shocks, or for them to rebuild mine for them to work right i believe.

[overb0ost]

i'm curious in finding out if this binding issue changed the preload on the spring.

when i was at my event and the binding was so loud, i checked the springs and moved things around to make them tighter. i had 1/4 preload b4 and the spring wouldn't move so easily. i tried moving it and the spring twisted with hardly any effort.

maybe it was the grease that came down from spraying it on the pillowball? also causing the spring to rotate cause of the added grease instead of at the ball joint?

[fantasya98]

i'm curious in finding out if this binding issue changed the preload on the spring.

when i was at my event and the binding was so loud, i checked the springs and moved things around to make them tighter. i had 1/4 preload b4 and the spring wouldn't move so easily. i tried moving it and the spring twisted with hardly any effort.

maybe it was the grease that came down from spraying it on the pillowball? also causing the spring to rotate cause of the added grease instead of at the ball joint?

it does affect preload, my car had about 1cm of preload and it actually went down to 0 after a week of driving. I set it to extra preload because after the initial install where i set 0 preload, the perches got loose and I had negative preload on one side! I hope this fixes the problem, instead of spending my time "tuning" the coilover settings, ive been having to make sure my suspension wont cause me to crash. This is not including the wear on my tires and events ive missed.

[240on430]

i'm curious in finding out if this binding issue changed the preload on the spring.

i didn't hear any noise with or without pre-load on the front coilovers with new mounts.

[fantasya98]

one the defective one, i can say there is noise w/ and w/o preload

[overb0ost]

a suggestion to whoever gets replacement mounts, before putting everything back. make sure these mounts can EASILY rotate. like they should literally be able to flop around without any effort to move them

i did some research to see if there were any other cars having this problem and the RX7 guys are as well. not just a couple of them, A LOT of them.

i clearly remembered that it actually took quite a bit of force to move these NEW mounts, so i will call stance tomorrow telling them that these mounts are garbage.

if anyone else has any problems with these new mounts, update us.

[articdragon192]

Actually, on my S13, the top mounts did not rotate that easily. They did require a lot of force to rotate, but they did rotate. They didn't just flop around. And this was on Tein Flexes.

[davidrools]

I got my new spherical bearings around 10/4/07 and installed them tonight 10/7/07 and after a couple laps around my driveway, the spring noise is still there. I'm going to give them some time and see if they loosen up, but so far, no improvement.

The bearing felt tight before installation, couldn't be turned by hand, and took some force to move to align them w/ an alignment tool (a rod about 10" long). Unladen (front wheels off the ground), the strut assembly still rotates around the spring (spherical bearing aka pillowball did NOT rotate). Still bound after being loaded, on the ground. Top not torqued w/ impact wrench and checked with a torque wrench. Next step will be to make sure my spring perches are clean and not oiled or anything, but I figure if there's enough force to make the spring bind and release, that should be plenty of force to rotate the spherical bearing.

[davidrools]

it was weird, when i was taking off the top nut in the rear, one of the shafts didnt spin and one side did. I used an impact, and LIGHTLY zapped it, i compared the one i did by hand. I think its ok to use impact as long as you dont go insane and sit there for a minute tighting the nut until something snaps and hits you in the eye. As for the mounting of the bottom mount on the rear.... i'm still confused, SO stance said that the longer side should be facing OUT towards the oposite wheel? i'm gonna call em.

OUT means outward from the centerline of the car (i.e. away from the differential)

[overb0ost]

i called stance and they said many other ppl have had problems with these new replacements as well

call stance or email them to let them know this problem is not solved yet.

the more they hear complaints, the more they will try and solve this issue.

[BigPawr]

Honestly, not anything in bad respect to Stance, but I think I'm going to go with KTS. I've been looking at Stance and KTS the past couple months. And being at a time ready to purchase, I think I'm going to go with KTS. I just can't afford to have coilovers not functioning properly, no matter how great of steps Stance is taking to try and fix their issue. Unfortunately it just isn't in the right time. I just feel bad for Stance as it seems they have a good company going.

[240on430]

that's fair ^

they fixed the problem with my noisy front top mounts. if you got new mounts, please take pictures of the top of the mount.

did you guys notice the differences in shape?

[chuonthis]

I think I've lost faith in these coilovers. At first, I thought, no problem, Stance has great customer service, they'll fix it. After being told a dozen times to tighten the top nut and to set preload to zero, I still thought, no problem, they'll figure it out. After being told that replacement mounts were on the way and waiting 3-4 weeks for them, I still thought, great, once these are in, it'll be smooth sailing. After installing them and still hearing the noise on the driver side, I thought, no problem, they'll loosen themselves up. After still having the problem 3 months after buying them (noise is worse on driver side and noise on passenger side came back), I think I'm finally giving up.

I've put in way too many hours taking these things apart. I might as well have bought $2000 coilovers for the time and effort spent. And let's not forget the inconvenience of the spring binding noise (where everyone stares at you and asks what that noise is) or of the memory steer coming out of a turn.

So my options are, 1) live with the noise/memory steer and wait for Stance to fix the problem, which they probably will eventually, or 2) buy different coilovers and try to get rid of the Stances. The worst part of option 2 is that (unless I take a huge loss) no one in their right mind would want to buy these since they can go with KTS or PBM coilovers for about the same price and without the headache.

Okay, I'm done with my rant.

240on430, I don't have any pictures but when I was swapping out my mounts, I put the new and old mounts back-to-back and they are the same shape/size in those dimensions. However, the new black plate is definitely thicker by like 2mm and the ball joint sticks out less.

[240on430]

I think I've lost faith in these coilovers. At first, I thought, no problem, Stance has great customer service, they'll fix it. After being told a dozen times to tighten the top nut and to set preload to zero, I still thought, no problem, they'll figure it out. After being told that replacement mounts were on the way and waiting 3-4 weeks for them, I still thought, great, once these are in, it'll be smooth sailing. After installing them and still hearing the noise on the driver side, I thought, no problem, they'll loosen themselves up. After still having the problem 3 months after buying them (noise is worse on driver side and noise on passenger side came back), I think I'm finally giving up.

I've put in way too many hours taking these things apart. I might as well have bought $2000 coilovers for the time and effort spent. And let's not forget the inconvenience of the spring binding noise (where everyone stares at you and asks what that noise is) or of the memory steer coming out of a turn.

So my options are, 1) live with the noise/memory steer and wait for Stance to fix the problem, which they probably will eventually, or 2) buy different coilovers and try to get rid of the Stances. The worst part of option 2 is that (unless I take a huge loss) no one in their right mind would want to buy these since they can go with KTS or PBM coilovers for about the same price and without the headache.

Okay, I'm done with my rant.

240on430, I don't have any pictures but when I was swapping out my mounts, I put the new and old mounts back-to-back and they are the same shape/size in those dimensions. However, the new black plate is definitely thicker by like 2mm and the ball joint sticks out less.

if you've had them for less than year, return them.

[D1GP]

if you've had them for less than year, return them.

question is, will they take them back?

[ewuzh]

In the same boat as you. My replacements are BAD again, and Stance just keeps telling me to check the preload and if the coilover is assembled correctly. My preload set to zero, but the binding happens when there is droop and when there is prelaod. And what's the point of having the ability to adjust preload if the only setting I'm allowed to do is zero preload?

Also, the place I bought them from refuses to take them back. They told me it's ultimately Stance's decision, and that they've rarely (read: never) taken back a return for coils that have already been installed, for any reason because Stance "will back any defects if any."

[gotta240]

edit...............

[240on430]

question is, will they take them back?

they've admitted they sold bad mounts, so i would think they would take them back.

[D1GP]

they've admitted they sold bad mounts, so i would think they would take them back.

that would be the honorable thing to do lol. we will see. if these new mounts still suck, i'm demanding my money back. i do not have time to fuck with this problem anymore.

[overb0ost]

i'm with you guys.

ill give them one more chance and if nothing, i will demand my money back as well.

i totally forgot about the memory steer issue. i always thought it was my car. after getting an alignment, they told me i have some memory steer issues that i've never had before....

only time will tell what stance will do

[D1GP]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/D1GP/240sx/StanceNewPillowball1.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/D1GP/240sx/StanceNewPillowball2.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/D1GP/240sx/StanceNewPillowball3.jpg

just got these in tonight. pillowball is really dirty... i couldn't even budge them with a screwdriver but we will see when i swap them out thursday.

[ewuzh]

The "new" mounts they sent me were also very dirty at the pillowballs and impossible to rotate.

[articdragon192]

it fixed your problem though right?

[ewuzh]

Nope, read post 224. I posted about it

[D1GP]

it fixed your problem though right?

dont look like it. check post 224.
i will be really outraged if after the swap i still get the noise and memory steer.

[articdragon192]

Oh damn.

Might this help until a proper solution is discovered?
http://www.swiftsprings.com/products-thrust_sheets.html

[240on430]

just got these in tonight. pillowball is really dirty... i couldn't even budge them with a screwdriver but we will see when i swap them out thursday.

thanks for posting pics. anyone else have pics of their mounts?

i got the mounts with the top plate and they did not look used that in the pics.

here's a pic of good mounts...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/dsjordans/DSC05606.jpg

[overb0ost]

thanks for posting pics. anyone else have pics of their mounts?

i got the mounts with the top plate and they did not look used that in the pics.

here's a pic of good mounts...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/dsjordans/DSC05606.jpg


these mounts definitely look different than the black ones, which i have as well

and which top plate are you talking about? the noticeable difference i see from yours and the black ones are that the mount surrounding the pillowball is different all together. the edges on ours are cleanly cut and not round like yours and also thicker/wider. our pillowball is silver while yours is a shiny gold.

hrmm

[240on430]

these mounts definitely look different than the black ones, which i have as well

and which top plate are you talking about? the noticeable difference i see from yours and the black ones are that the mount surrounding the pillowball is different all together. the edges on ours are cleanly cut and not round like yours and also thicker/wider. our pillowball is silver while yours is a shiny gold.

hrmm

top plate...i mean the part that is mounted against the top of the strut tower.fwiw, my old bad mounts had sharp edges around the pillowball.now, did anyone get mounts that look like the one I posted and still have the problems?

[Shaminii]

I received the new mounts from Stance a week ago. Stance was nice enough to send me two new mounts and a new shock for free. The mounts looked exactly what D1GP has posted. I just installed the new mounts a couple days ago and they still make the same spring noises. I haven't noticed too much memory steer yet, but I've only got to drive the car for a day.

I'm tired of getting on the highway and my steering is trying to go in the direction that I turned into the highway. It would stay in that direction the whole way until I'm off the highway.

Has anybody tried out the thrust sheets yet?

[m tr4nch]

wow this sucks.. i actually just got a set of gr+'s today in the mail that i ordered last week.. and from what i can tell, i got the POS upper mounts on the fronts :mad: and you know i thought stance would have corrected this problem in all the new sets they would be sending out... wtf...

i wont be installing them anytime soon, so hopefully stance can get their ish together by the time i can get my car on the road. and if worst comes to worst i guess i can always send them back (..? from what i'm reading in this thread about the 1 year warranty or whatever.. right? as long as i dont mount them?)

i will definitely keep an eye on this thread, so please post your updates.

oh and heres what mine look like, check out the corrosion... they wont budge at ALL..

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u53/mtr4nch/cars/DSC01782.jpg

[blu808]

Why is this thread soo long. Seized uppers = a seized pillow ball mount bearing.

Done.

[ewuzh]

Why is this thread soo long. Seized uppers = a seized pillow ball mount bearing.

Done.

This thread is so long because Stance still hasn't sent anyone replacement mounts with working pillow ball bearings.

[blu808]

Well lets get some fat hookers to convince them.

[240on430]

m tr4nch (http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=33695), those look just like the original set of mounts I got with my coilovers.

This thread is so long because Stance still hasn't sent anyone replacement mounts with working pillow ball bearings.

:hyper:...i got good replacement mounts.

[m tr4nch]

m tr4nch, those look just like the original set of mounts I got with my coilovers.

yeah they are the same. what bothers me most though is that it's been a known problem for months now and they go and send me a set of coilovers with these bad mounts LAST FRIGGIN WEEK.. wtf is up with that? i would have thought they would at least check the damn things before they sent them to me... i guess i'll be calling as well to get some new ones sent out. if anyone from stance is reading this, all i can say is what the hell??

[240on430]

yeah they are the same. what bothers me most though is that it's been a known problem for months now and they go and send me a set of coilovers with these bad mounts LAST FRIGGIN WEEK.. wtf is up with that? i would have thought they would at least check the damn things before they sent them to me... i guess i'll be calling as well to get some new ones sent out. if anyone from stance is reading this, all i can say is what the hell??

I don't think parts can be ordered directly from stance. where did you order them from? maybe the place you bought them at stocked the coilovers with bad mounts.

[D1GP]

got the replacements in. still got noise turning right and memory steer is still there. seriously, fuck this.

[m tr4nch]

I don't think parts can be ordered directly from stance. where did you order them from? maybe the place you bought them at stocked the coilovers with bad mounts.

i got them from 240sxmotoring.com. they were drop shipped directly from stance though.. the box came from elk grove village, IL, with "stance" on the shipping label... i think i'm probably gonna send these back for a refund and just go with kts or something :-/

[240on430]

i got them from 240sxmotoring.com. they were drop shipped directly from stance though.. the box came from elk grove village, IL, with "stance" on the shipping label... i think i'm probably gonna send these back for a refund and just go with kts or something :-/

def. send them back. get kts :rant:

[overb0ost]

i guess we just have to keep calling to get some answers and a PROPER solution

will they only take them back if they havn't been mounted?

[916S14]

Man damn it, i also put the so called "NEW" mounts in and they did absolutely shit. I'm gonna try greasing the shit out of the mounts. The car is not mine anymore but still, i'm helping the guy fix it and its not going so well.