just curious. vq35de 240 questions

[twofortyrida1388]

I don't plan on doing this and if I did it would be years in the future. I did quite a bit of searching here and on google. I have a few questions out of sheer curiosity. I read the vq35 weighs nearly same as ka, t/f. Since it is shorter in length and height compared to other 4 cyl's and sits further back to firewall does it give a 240 a close or 50/50 weight distribution. If all this is true with the 6 speed tranny that could be a reliable n/a beast. If you have done it and I'm sure some of you have please link me to some pics and I would love some vid. Thanks

[OptionZero]

freshalloy's 240sx sections...multiple guys have done it, search there

v8 swap probably takes similar amount of effort with even more potential

[skate07]

i will sell you a VQ motorset when your ready, 3k plus the ship

[drift freaq]

^^^^ he needs more than just a VQ motorset lol.

and just to clarify a V8 swap does wind up costing more.

[carnal_c30]

i will sell you a VQ motorset when your ready, 3k plus the ship

can you do 1500? :squintd:

[skate07]

^^^^ he needs more than just a VQ motorset lol.

and just to clarify a V8 swap does wind up costing more.

i never said thats all he would need, i was simply saying that i have a few spare motors.





and to carnal

its a brand new motor and trans.... i could do 2300 plus the ship

[twofortyrida1388]

What did Nissan do to the 05+ VQ35's to put them at 300hp. I think it is pretty damn cool. Nissan motor+very smooth+tons of torque+aluminum block that can handle 500hp w/o being sleeved and the new GTR engine is in same family etc, etc. The VQ family is the only series to have been in Ward's 10 Best Engines since it was conceived. I am just waiting until I get a garage and more tools. If I were to do something like this it would def have to be done right the first time. This is only good vid I could find of VQ35 S13. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/bf6ed458-2a2a-4662-9284-98620170f7a9.htm

[OptionZero]

shifted the power band and raised the rev limit IIRC

the "Rev-up" engines make more power but they aren't really that much faster because of the lost torque

[twofortyrida1388]

What kind of power can be expected out of that thing with even a T25 TT setup and good tune. Something very basic.

[djp.]

this might be kind of off subject but here is a pictue of how it looks on an s14
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p5/sr20det4mys13/vg.jpg

and here is a link of one being built
http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/60.aspx

[PoorMans180SX]

Hey look up Fred Allen Burge on here, or go to his website, www.engineswaptech.com to find out all you need to know about this swap. I plan on doing this myself.

Actually that video you found is of Broaner, and he has a VQ30DE from his Maxima in his coupe. He's tube framing the front end now. Cool guy.

[twofortyrida1388]

Damn that means I didn't find a vid of a VQ35 S13. Thanks a lot though. I have heard nothing but good things from this motor and I would love to keep it in the family. I see people talking about LS1 this LS1 that cool. Take that LS1 and keep it in the camaro and drift that or put it in a cavalier or something. I know true car fanatics don't car what motor goes in what but I couldn't bring myself to do that. Especially the whole V8 bandwagon.

[PoorMans180SX]

same here man, same here.

[twofortyrida1388]

When I saw your post on main page I was expecting an attack but I'm glad someone agrees.

[Bushido]

this is a cool vq project ive been following for a while:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/siluty/vqwired005.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/siluty/vqwired004.jpg

VQ30DET in s14.
http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/5/1352/ShowThread.aspx

[twofortyrida1388]

I read all those engineswaptech posts and their idea for a vq is insane. A 3.2L VQ with Z33 6MT that hits 9K. That would be a fucking insane N/A street car. What about the QR25DE? Is there a RWD tranny that can be put on it?

[BigVinnie]

Always remember VQ's love to burn oil, especially if it's a 5w-30.
I talk to 350z owners all the time, that is the one major complaint, most move up to a 10w-40 for less burning.
My friend Dave that works at Nissan blew an engine already with his Greddy turbo set up. My friend Shan at infinion ( we run 1/4 mile times) blew his N/A motor at 45,000 miles. He also received a replacement motor and it continues to burn lighter weight less viscous to colder temperature oils.
VQ is a great engine but definitely wasn't designed for 5W oils....

[1Via!]

Who runs 5W anyway? :D

I wouldnt touch a QR for a swap with a 10ft stick. Nissan is (supposedly) doing a silent recall on them.

[zugoi]

Niiiiicccceeee

[skate07]

Who runs 5W anyway? :D

I wouldnt touch a QR for a swap with a 10ft stick. Nissan is (supposedly) doing a silent recall on them.

haha yep, budddy at a dealership found that the rings were getting so much carbon buildup that they were eventually siezing and shooting out of the side of the blocks. Only rememdy was to replace the rings.... such a hassle for a 20 dollar set of parts, made me laugh

[twofortyrida1388]

Now that you mention it I have heard of many problems with the QR. I saw the weight of some Nissan engines on that engineswaptech site and the VQ only weighs a few pounds more than the KA. I would not have even considered this but since there have been sooooo many 350z's and maximas and just about every newer Nissan, parts and the motor itself is plentyful. Even if you leave it how it came you strill have a 250hp/300hp depending on what year and model it came out of.

[PoorMans180SX]

pretty much. I absolutely can't wait for my car to be done. Another benefit [if you use the VQ35 block] is you can upgrade to VQHR heads. I'm hoping to twin-turbo mine eventually.

[twofortyrida1388]

I saw a 350z in modified mag or something like that and the torque is insane. It had like 483hp and 511lbs of torque. Like V8 torque. With the VQ32 setup how do they do it. VQ30 crank in VQ35 or what. Like I said a 6speed tranny with 300+ hp and 9000rpm in a 27-2800lb car is :wackit:

[PoorMans180SX]

yeah, it's preferable to get a VQ30DET crank, as the crank has larger journals and is a bit stronger. Get some DET sized H-beam rods and you're good for VQ32. I'm PoorMans180SX on engineswaptech.

[twofortyrida1388]

What kind of work actually goes into a VQ32? I know its not as simple as dropping a VQ30 crank and rods into a VQ35. What other components besides customs pistons will be needed?

[PoorMans180SX]

Not much else really. Rods and Crank. Pistons are the same size as VQ35, but you're right, custom for compression reasons, or you could get longer rods. You'll want to get valves/springs/retainers so you can rev higher than the stock heads can. and some cams to make power higher up.

[twofortyrida1388]

How will the ECU handle it though. What kind of tuning would be necessary for a 9K 3.2L monster? I have always been the guy to know the easier mechanical parts but wiring and tuning I'm just not there. Is learning how to tune the same as everything else? Trial and Error?

[CKAMC]

ECU? Haltech!

QR 06 motors have a burning oil issue as well, got lucky with old DD that it was built in late 05 before they tried a new idea with the motor before scrapping it for the MR series.

NA Vq's are fantastic choice, light weight, lots of possibilities. Top Secret is still messing around with them. Yeah the I6 was great but well... V6's pass emissions so easy now....

[PoorMans180SX]

Yeah, you'll definitely need to go to a standalone ECU.

[Bushido]

i dont really see the appeal in a 3.2 setup... just to rev higher? the vq35 is set up for a long flat tourque curve and has an excellent powerband stock...
for me, i'd love to have a factory Y33 VQ30DET in my S13, intercooled with a T3/4 complete with factory ecu, nats module and key, throttle by wire, etc the... the VQ30DET above made 375 rwhp and its stock with a T3/4.

[PoorMans180SX]

because with a 9k rev limit, the gearset in the 6-speed gearbox is about perfect. It's basically for fexibility.
I was originally planning a VQ30DET, but I like the fact that the VQ35 heads flow better, and have VTC, not to mention the option of upgrading to VQHR heads later.

[BigVinnie]

yeah, it's preferable to get a VQ30DET crank, as the crank has larger journals and is a bit stronger.


It's been proven larger journals although being stronger can consume more friction. Friction equals HP loss. Us KA guy's are looking into reducing journal size from the cranks to increase rev.
Just like NISMO does with there fully counter weighed cranks.

Here is some use full educational material on how cranks are designed to increase HP.
www.circletrack.com/techarticles/ctrp_0608_crankshaft_technology/

[PoorMans180SX]

True, but are we gonna worry about that minute amount of friction loss on the street? Not really. I guess it's your preference.

KA's are totally different compared to VQ30's, which can rev to 9k.

[drift freaq]

shifted the power band and raised the rev limit IIRC

the "Rev-up" engines make more power but they aren't really that much faster because of the lost torque
Rev-up engines were short lived. The New 2007 350z VQ is a whole redesign. Reinforced and strengthened block, lengthened stroke to square up the bore and stroke for higher revs i.e.7500 rpm redline. Symetrical dual intake and exhaust. 309 hp stock. The jury is out on the oil burning issue from previous engines which actually was 2005-2006 engines. The current engines are so new they have not had data back yet, the engine has only been out since January. On paper the New VQ is sick and primed and ready for Turbo or Supercharger.

[BigVinnie]

On paper the New VQ is sick and primed and ready for Turbo or Supercharger.


I don't know to much about the new VQ, is it adaptable and easier to boost from variable compression????.
My boy Dave blew up his 2005 350z when he twin turboed the damn thing (that compression wasn't meant for boost), it blew up before it hit the freeway....He's just lucky to be a fleet manager at one of the nissan dealerships.

[twofortyrida1388]

Thanks for all the info. When I started this thread I was very curious about this swap but now I really want to do it. I have always loved my 4 cyl's but to me it makes more sense for this engine, its light, can rev higher, shorter length and height, more torque and new technology. The VQ as sad as it is to say it has surpassed the RB26 and 2JZ in max hp. The damn thing has hit 1800hp and still rising. 350z's are fast but imagine taking a 1000 pounds off it and then compare. There is a reason the 350z has been named import car of the year. On average how much do you think this swap would be if me and some fellow 240 lovers did the labor and just bought the parts? I know it all depends on luck and pateince but just an estimate.

[BigVinnie]

If you and friend did it the swap will cost around $5500. Theres a guy on NICO that just did the swap he charges $7500.....It's not a cheap swap. It's also a lot harder than you think. You have to change out the speedo/cluster, and also program the electric TB, and add an electric foot pedal. You alsohave to retrofit the transmission for the shifter. It's not an easy swap, and unless you are a Nissan tech you won't have all the rite equipment to finish the job.

[twofortyrida1388]

Thanks man. My freinds are the electrical and tuning experts and I'm pretty good with the mechanical. Welding, measuring, a wrench. It won't be soon but I am def going with this swap. I would love to be pushing around 7lbs of boost on it too.

[Emp123]

About how legal is this swap? I know it will pass smog, as its sold in the US, but what are the laws on throwing an engine in a car that is from the same manufacturer and newer? Is there a law (or part of one) that states that the engine had to be sold in the model its being put into for it to be completely legal? (Im in Cali if that matters, and it probably does)

[drift freaq]

About how legal is this swap? I know it will pass smog, as its sold in the US, but what are the laws on throwing an engine in a car that is from the same manufacturer and newer? Is there a law (or part of one) that states that the engine had to be sold in the model its being put into for it to be completely legal? (Im in Cali if that matters, and it probably does)
The law states any engine sold in the U.S. that is newer with all its smog equipment is a legal swap. That is California law.

[Bushido]

If you and friend did it the swap will cost around $5500. Theres a guy on NICO that just did the swap he charges $7500.....It's not a cheap swap. It's also a lot harder than you think. You have to change out the speedo/cluster, and also program the electric TB, and add an electric foot pedal. You alsohave to retrofit the transmission for the shifter. It's not an easy swap, and unless you are a Nissan tech you won't have all the rite equipment to finish the job.

its actually not as hard or expensive as you're making it out to be...
VQ's can be had for next to nothing. i've seen maxima VQ's go for extremely cheap... if you got the interest and drive to do the swap, i say go for it.

the easiest way to get a VQ into a s13/14 is:

standalone engine mgmt
convert to mechanical throttle body
weld bellhousing from vq tranny to sr/ka tranny and bolt to VQ
bolt in engine using 33 GTR engine mounts
convert speedo: http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/post/744.aspx

i can understand wanting to run the 6sp, especially since they can be had for only a couple hundred bucks, but it does require shifter linkage modification, custom driveshaft, and tranny mount, which complicates things a bit.
KA 5spds are plentiful and cheap. it probably wont last that long, depending how you drive it, but you can always swap another and it makes the swap alot less expensive.

[kenshinS14sks]

The law states any engine sold in the U.S. that is newer with all its smog equipment is a legal swap. That is California law.


i thought it was an engine that had come in the car ... not just any newer engine from the US ...

[twofortyrida1388]

If you are from Cali with their crazy emissions I understand but here in NC nothing is a problem. We are basically givin inspection stickers.

[Emp123]

The law states any engine sold in the U.S. that is newer with all its smog equipment is a legal swap. That is California law.
But wont it like not pass the visual inspection? Or are they just checking to see if there are any turbos/all the emissions stuff is there?

[Emp123]

The more I look into this, the more I want to do it.

[PoorMans180SX]

Heck yeah man, it's such a sweet option that everyone overlooks. For a budget swap you can use a VQ30 out of a Maxima, with it's easier-to-tune ECU and mechanical throttle body. Look up Broaner, he has the first VQ(30) powered coupe in the States. I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in already.

[BigVinnie]

its actually not as hard or expensive as you're making it out to be...
VQ's can be had for next to nothing. i've seen maxima VQ's go for extremely cheap... if you got the interest and drive to do the swap, i say go for it.

the easiest way to get a VQ into a s13/14 is:

standalone engine mgmt
convert to mechanical throttle body
weld bellhousing from vq tranny to sr/ka tranny and bolt to VQ
bolt in engine using 33 GTR engine mounts
convert speedo: http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/post/744.aspx




O.k so what engine management would he need to run that isn't over a grand, it would make the build more expensive, than using all the existing OEM equipment and ecu.....

FYI here is the the entire build Spec D racing has done....
It's finished now..
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=207033
ISCARIOT....


I appreciate your input, and yes, the Maxima Engine is cheaper, but there's more to a FWD conversion than I think you know. I have done the math and it is more expensive to use a FWD block. If you care to argue pricing and standalones, open a new thread for that. This thread is being posted to show how to do the swap with the Z ecu, make it run, and do it without a dyno. For 99% of the those reading this....this would be the way they would/will do it.

Again, your input is never unnappriciated, all input is good to show others different prespectives.

[Emp123]

This swap looks much more complicated than a SR swap, but the power gained is crazy.....if only this swap brought a smile to my face like the RB25DET/RB26DETT swap does.

[twofortyrida1388]

I love the RB's and all the 4's but this motor will get eaisier and easier the more it is done. Shit it is just as light as the KA but makes twice the power. The RB26DETT is godly and a beast but the VQ35 is lighter and makes just about the same power N/A (05' and up 350z,G35). You do a basic turbo setup and you got a beast. The center of gravity and 50/50 weight ratio with VQ35 will be better than RB25 and 26 because it sits lower and further back. There are some people already making a custom linkage for 6MT to sit where the KA's does. Thanks for all the input it makes me glad I started this thing.

[Bushido]

O.k so what engine management would he need to run that isn't over a grand...

Megasquirt.

msglngth

[Emp123]

twofortyrida1388 I totally agree, but theres something about having a Skyline engine that makes me really happy. Despite this, Ill probably go for the VQ. Awesome power, awesome weight, awesome price.

[BigVinnie]

Megasquirt.

msglngth


Still isn't cheaper than an OEM ecu for $100. Plus like the man said that did the swap. OEM is gauranteed to make the power with no dyno tuning, you can start adding up the cost if you like. OEM is the cheapest route.....

[BigVinnie]

twofortyrida1388 I totally agree, but theres something about having a Skyline engine that makes me really happy. Despite this, Ill probably go for the VQ. Awesome power, awesome weight, awesome price.


Not to burst your bubble but the VQ is a skyline engine.......

[Emp123]

Not to burst your bubble but the VQ is a skyline engine.......
Just not the Skyline from my youth. Although, I guess you could argue that the new Skyline is the Skyline of my youth.....

[brainfood]

Couple missconceptions in this thread that should be clarified.

VQ will not give you a 50/50 wieght distribution. If it wieghs a little more than a ka and we know the 6sp wieghs more than a ka trans. Even if it lower and pushed back slightly ka cars are usually 58/42 Even sr cars are only 54/46 most of the time or at most 52/48. If it keeps getting repeated in this thread that going VQ will give you 50/50 then it will go down as the word of god on internet forums even though it is a false statement. (if someone has a vq powered s14 and wants to prove me wrong please put it on the scales I am dieing to see it)

Also using a ka or sr 5sp is not a better option than using the 6sp. If you have to cut and weld a custom bellhousing how is that easier than cutting and modifing the linkage. The modifications that I have seen done on already swapped cars with z33 6sp doesnt look that bad, I would lots rather do that than Cutting and welding a new bellhousing.

Drive by wire should be eliminated for this swap into an schassis, there may be running drive by wire cars out there but its overcomplicating the swap. Just get a tb that is cable driven and make a custom bracket its pretty easy. Other than that awesome swap and anyone has done it I aplaud because its a pretty badass swap. I cant wait to see a built vq32 n/a monster locally so I can drive it :)

[Kyosuke]

im too lazy to read all this right now but ill read later anyone see that 1 car ? ill post some pics in a min

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/saceboi/240sx.jpg

[Emp123]

I saw a video of that thing revving, it didnt sound to good, which is surprising because the engine sounds really clean in the G35/350z

[Bushido]

Still isn't cheaper than an OEM ecu for $100. Plus like the man said that did the swap. OEM is gauranteed to make the power with no dyno tuning, you can start adding up the cost if you like. OEM is the cheapest route.....

no doubt it cheaper... but is it worth the hassle installing the NATS system and associated immob bullshit? can you say wiring nightmare? good luck getting it all going without a Consult II. I'd rather just spend a couple hundred more for a fully programmable system and bypass all the bullshit.

Also using a ka or sr 5sp is not a better option than using the 6sp. If you have to cut and weld a custom bellhousing how is that easier than cutting and modifying the linkage. The modifications that I have seen done on already swapped cars with z33 6sp doesn't look that bad, I would lots rather do that than Cutting and welding a new bellhousing.

no, the 5sp is not the better option, but it IS the easier one. using the 5sp allows the VQ to bolt right in. meaning no custom engine mounts, no custom tranny mount, no custom drive shaft, and no modification to the shifter position.



found these guys the other day: http://vqswap.com/index.html
they make kits that address all the problems above and are also working on a plug and play ecu solution

[PoorMans180SX]

sick link bro! posi! I'm pretty darn sure you'll still have to use custom engine mounts with the 5spd though.

[PoorMans180SX]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/cars/DSC01157.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/cars/DSC01156.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/cars/DSC01154.jpg

Pics of their swap they sent me. I think I'll mount mine a little farther rearward, but looks pretty good.

[drift freaq]

VQswap.com is how should I say it not my cup of tea. My friends have inspected that setup and its shall I say not appealing. They want good money for a less than desirable kit, IMHO. The only thing they did thats nice was the the shifter bracket mod. They also work with Chris Kregorian aka Milano motorsports. that scares me . Do a search on Milano and Chris Kregorian if you wonder.

On the smog, you guys can read up on it yourself. Its on the web. If you swap in a newer engine sold in the United states with all smog equipment and take it to the ref they will clear it for smog and use. It will get a sticker and yes it will pass visual all the smog tech will do is look for all the required visual equipment.
If you eliminate throttle by wire it will not be smog legal as the system needs to see that to not throw a cel.
As far as engine weight goes. The engine itself is lighter than a KA the transmission is heavier. Though the transmission being the mid area of the car its not over critical. I will not claim a different weight balance setup. Until I have the swap done and have corner weighted the car. I.E. yes folks I am planning on doing the VQ swap.

[PoorMans180SX]

I just got this from the guy at vqswap.com:
i dont know the guy on zilvia we have a very nice kit you can see for yourself i also own sandimasauto.us and we tune chris milanos 350 BUT we do not have any relationship to him regarding our buiseness or any other products we have i have registered on zilvia and will post as soon as they let me but if you would like to post this for me that would be great thanks

[Bushido]

sick link bro! posi! I'm pretty darn sure you'll still have to use custom engine mounts with the 5spd though.

nah, that vq30det s14 with v mount above bolted everything in using the 5sp.

R33 GTR engine mounts
stock tranny mount
stock driveshaft
no mods to the subframe
hood clears fine.

[drift freaq]

I just got this from the guy at vqswap.com:
i dont know the guy on zilvia we have a very nice kit you can see for yourself i also own sandimasauto.us and we tune chris milanos 350 BUT we do not have any relationship to him regarding our buiseness or any other products we have i have registered on zilvia and will post as soon as they let me but if you would like to post this for me that would be great thanks
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and can you really expect the person selling the kit to say nothing less than they have a nice kit? Give me a break.
Its good he clearly states having no relation with Chris Milano. Yet, the car on my VQ swap was the back up car for Chris's Car at the Formula D Long Beach. hmmmm no relationship ok.
I have a first hand report on his mounts from someone that talked to him in person and checked out his swap in person. I am sorry but from the description I got I don't like it. Thats my perogative. I am not going to say any more here.

Oh yeah and least I forgot San Dimas Auto is all over Chris Milano's cars which basically means Chris is sponsored by San Dimas auto. hmmmm no relations or relationships? Ya, ok.

[PoorMans180SX]

I gotcha, that's actually what I wanted to know [if you had that info] by posting that. Thanks.

[twofortyrida1388]

[QUOTE=brainfood]Couple missconceptions in this thread that should be clarified.

VQ will not give you a 50/50 wieght distribution. If it wieghs a little more than a ka and we know the 6sp wieghs more than a ka trans. Even if it lower and pushed back slightly ka cars are usually 58/42 Even sr cars are only 54/46 most of the time or at most 52/48. If it keeps getting repeated in this thread that going VQ will give you 50/50 then it will go down as the word of god on internet forums even though it is a false statement. (if someone has a vq powered s14 and wants to prove me wrong please put it on the scales I am dieing to see it)

I didn't literally mean a perfect 50/50 ratio just referring to how close it could be with the VQ. I can't say what it would be w/o actually doing the swap and weighing it like some others posted. I'm sure it has to be better than the KA being it sits a little lower and is 1 piston shorter in length. Thanks for input I love this thread.

[brainfood]

I think that the vqswap.com parts look pretty good actually and I wouldnt hesitate to buy the 6sp shifter relocater and crossmember from them. I think I would do custom motor mounts though. But for $800 it looks like a pretty good setup. I assuming that it uses stock z33 mounts, and will it work with stock headers for smog reasons? I might think about this swap in the new car, gotta start piecing it together. Would make for a great daily setup in my s13

[twofortyrida1388]

If any body does this swap. Please put up a build thread that would be awesome. Thanks

[BigVinnie]

FYI smog isn't legal without the OEM ecu......
Just to clarify for people doing the swap......

[drift-it]

wheres ib at hes putting one in his 240 right now

[irax]

[QUOTE=brainfood]Couple missconceptions in this thread that should be clarified.

VQ will not give you a 50/50 wieght distribution. If it wieghs a little more than a ka and we know the 6sp wieghs more than a ka trans. Even if it lower and pushed back slightly ka cars are usually 58/42 Even sr cars are only 54/46 most of the time or at most 52/48. If it keeps getting repeated in this thread that going VQ will give you 50/50 then it will go down as the word of god on internet forums even though it is a false statement. (if someone has a vq powered s14 and wants to prove me wrong please put it on the scales I am dieing to see it)

I didn't literally mean a perfect 50/50 ratio just referring to how close it could be with the VQ. I can't say what it would be w/o actually doing the swap and weighing it like some others posted. I'm sure it has to be better than the KA being it sits a little lower and is 1 piston shorter in length. Thanks for input I love this thread.


although a lot of the weight balance issues can be cleared up by suspension, there is no way out of the box that it would be 50/50. I will weigh mine once its running to give you a proper weight. But I HIGHLY doubt it will end up heavier than a KA by more than 40 pounds... 40 pounds is the stock car battery and you can move that shit around.

[drift freaq]

I think that the vqswap.com parts look pretty good actually and I wouldnt hesitate to buy the 6sp shifter relocater and crossmember from them. I think I would do custom motor mounts though. But for $800 it looks like a pretty good setup. I assuming that it uses stock z33 mounts, and will it work with stock headers for smog reasons? I might think about this swap in the new car, gotta start piecing it together. Would make for a great daily setup in my s13
Ok since your going to go there. Lets look at this objectively. First off look closely at the engine install pics. You will see that the engine sits way forward, in fact its almost, if not farther forward than where the stock KA sits. So much to the point, that he had to make swaybar spacers for the oil pan and block to clear the sway bar. Hmmmm, excuse me we are not talking about a RB here. The VQ is a short engine. You should not even have to do that on a install.
Next up, yes his shift bracket does look really nice, but useless if you want to set the engine in your bay as it should be and not how he has done it. I.E. with the proper install it would be to long.
This is just looking at his swap and how its done. I have associates that have inspected it in person.
I am not even getting into the whole denial of the San Dimas auto sponsorship of Chris Milano and total involvement with him.

His whole swap from a mechanical standpoint, while it has some ok points still does not meet the criteria of being able to be sold to people IMHO. Nor does it meet the criteria of an ideal VQ swap, due to the stated reasons above.

P.S. I have experience in selling engine swap kits that work and are worth selling to the public.

[brainfood]

Well I went back and looked at the pics and the oil pan from what I can see (pics arent the best quality) restricts moving the motor much further back same with the intake manifold in these pics. You have to have enough room to tilt the motor back to get the transmission out when you want to do a clutch job. Granted if you were looking for ideal vq swap you could cut and box the subframe and also cut into the firewall or run a custom intake manifold to provide more clearance there. But then you are talking about a lot of extra work. You might as well do another swap for all that work ls1/1jz, something cheaper and more reliable with more stock power. Kinda defeats the point of the vq swap if you are going to go to such great length to set it further back. These are all my opinions and they are based on the pictures in this thread and vqswap.com website I have not examined the car in person so I dont know anything other than what I can see from the pics. I am thinking for a easy reliable setup for cheap its not a bad kit. I am curious to see the mounts because I think if I did it I would make custom mounts. But other than that I am sure the kit is a solid kit and will be a good option for most guys.

Edit: I am not even going to get into the milano thing, I would never buy this kit if it was designed made by milano. Point of his response to that was it is not, San Dimas is not Milano auto just one of his sponsors, maybe he should sponsor somone with a little more tact in representing the industry/scene/sponsors but it really has no direct effect on the quality of the kit or the reliability of the company making the kit.

[NeedCAforS13]

edit: nevermind. missed the link in your first post... neat swap.

[eastcoastS14]

wondering if anyone has had a chance to check out this months modified yet...kouki with a VQ 6spd in it and a turbonetics turbokit on it....the thing is putting down 340whp @ 4psi:ugh: they said they didnt dyno it at high boost yet but they expect 650whp...kinda stupid cause they claim its probably the first VQ swap in the country any way its pretty nice

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/maxlopes/featurecar.jpg

[irax]

Bryan, If your are ever in san diego you can come by and look at my engine bay and completely retract your statement. There is alot of room in this swap, pictures dont do it justice. Like litteraly the way the VQswap guys have it, you have soo much room you could change the clutch by just poping the hood, it is just that ridiculous. The way my (fred allen burge) have the swap it fits very snug against the fire wall while still having easy access to all sensors and clearance.

[PoorMans180SX]

This thread is full of great stuff guys. Thanks again for all the info. This is why I like Zilvia, knowledgeable guys that are straight to the point.

Speaking of the intake manifold clearance, I was thinking of getting an aftermarket one, or maybe fabbing one that faces angularly-forward, especially since I'm eventually going turbo, as this would cut out a few feet of IC piping.

[brainfood]

Bryan, If your are ever in san diego you can come by and look at my engine bay and completely retract your statement. There is alot of room in this swap, pictures dont do it justice. Like litteraly the way the VQswap guys have it, you have soo much room you could change the clutch by just poping the hood, it is just that ridiculous. The way my (fred allen burge) have the swap it fits very snug against the fire wall while still having easy access to all sensors and clearance.


Do you have their mount kit Ib? I would like to check it out and I would be the first to admit that all my opinions are based on those picks and not actually seeing the car in person I cant say anything for sure.

[irax]

for that I would look into using VQ30 intake manifold and modify it so the throttle body faces the front of the car and not the rear.

bryan no I have a fwd block they don't have a kit for that yet. I have bought Fred's swap but you can come by my house and check it out and check the clearance I have vs pictures. honestly it will be easy to see once you see what I have in person because it is a big difference.

[PoorMans180SX]

I was thinking about that, but it seems like it has a too small of runners and plenum for a high-rpm turbo motor. I think maybe I'll test that one out, and then fab a new one and compare the two. Will the 30 intake even fit the 35 though? I was told it wouldn't.

On the custom one, I thought of making the intake runners similar to the Kinetix SSV manifold but with a tapered plenum and angled throttle body, like you would see on an RB aftermarket manifold.

[drift freaq]

Bryan, I am in the process of getting ready to do the swap myself. I am going to be doing my own custom setup. There is a good chance a kit will come out of it. I can say, it will sit as ideal as I can get it and as far back as I can get it. From all the information I have gathered the VQ engine itself is as light or lighter than a KA. The transmission is definitely heavier, hence the desire in doing this swap to set the engine back so as to keep the extra wieght more towards the center of the car.

[brainfood]

Bryan, I am in the process of getting ready to do the swap myself. I am going to be doing my own custom setup. There is a good chance a kit will come out of it. I can say, it will sit as ideal as I can get it and as far back as I can get it. From all the information I have gathered the VQ engine itself is as light or lighter than a KA. The transmission is definitely heavier, hence the desire in doing this swap to set the engine back so as to keep the extra wieght more towards the center of the car.


I gathered that you were doing the swap, I cant wait to see it I am sure it will be the best positioning possible without major mods. You are keeping the 6sp? and just customizing the linkage? Any plans to mod the subframe or firewall?

[BOROSUN]

does the frontier shorter rear linkage bracket work? has anyone tried it yet?

[PoorMans180SX]

Screw VQswap, I'm waiting for drift freaq's kit to come out. RWD or FWD drift freaq?

[irax]

I'm sure he will make a RWD kit first, and with my help IE him using my car as a basis he will be making a fwd kit.
BTW RWD upper pan + FWD lower pan = great clearance.

[drift freaq]

I gathered that you were doing the swap, I cant wait to see it I am sure it will be the best positioning possible without major mods. You are keeping the 6sp? and just customizing the linkage? Any plans to mod the subframe or firewall?

yes, keeping the 6 speed makes sense. I will just run J30(3:92:1 gears) differential which has the ABS sensor to run the speedo already built in. I will install a clutch pack LSD in it(hehehehehehe).
Done right their should not be a need for firewall modification. Again this is a short V6 not a straight inline 6. Subframe modification? No reason seen at the moment.
Like Ib speculated RWD will be the first order. Of course having IB around with his car will allow looking into a FWD block work around as well.
Just to show how serious I am about this whole thing. My RB car is technically falling into the for sale catagory. I figure I would rather mover forward with somethng new.

P.S. As far as other peoples kits are concerned, I have seen people coming up with great ideas. I have not seen any one of them put something together that was cohesive in all areas of the swap IMO. Though some have come close. I applaud their efforts in these areas and in the whole thing overall.

This is not something I thought of doing this late in the game either. This has been on my mind for a long time, though I was sidetracked by other projects and work.

[irax]

Yeah in a few weeks I'm taking my car to Powered By Max and they are going to finish up the cooling setup,exhaust, transmission cross member for me. the way it is right now is the flipped s14 trans kmember and 1 bolt in on each side, which isnt bad but my car is deffinatly going to be abused and lots of clutch kicking so they are going to modify mine.

[carnal_c30]

i've seen the vqswap.com setup up close and I thought it was pretty cool, they do have the only complete kit right now, and I have to say it looked good and I was impressed with some of the smaller details like the 350z cluster and the hoses, wiring, etc. Maybe there are a few things I might have done differently like the mounts, but honestly I cannot really say too much about their setup as I have not done a vq swap yet and maybe there are some problems that will creep up during the process

I just thank everyone whos doing swaps right now because with each one we're learning better ways to do things.

[PoorMans180SX]

I love how VQswap is trying to bash me on engineswaptech because I told people that I gotten info from a reliable source that the setup was a little messed up and that a higher quality kit was coming out.

His original thread:
http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/2669.aspx

Thread where he bashes me:
http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/2699.aspx

[4thHorse]

Hey Drift Freaq, are you going to try to make this swap smog legal or is that a plan for something down the road maybe.

Also not directed at Drift Freaq just a general question. I was looking at the s14 with the vq swap in Modified Mag and something bothered me, so I throw this to you guys.
Does the Oil pan sit low on that car or is it just me?

[irax]

mine sits above the cross member but yeah its pretty low.

[brainfood]

My sr with greddy pan sits almost level with the x-member and I have had no problems and I like to 4x4 sometimes at the track so I wouldnt stress it as long as its not lower than the x-member.

[irax]

I just ordered my steering column off eBay, and on the 02 maxima that is where the NATS devices is. All I need left is the ECU and to finish my harness and it should be good to go. As dumb to this kind of stuff(swap) is, the parts guys at Mossy Nissan in Poway were helpfull in telling me the info i needed.

[4thHorse]

Well here is a link to the car, looks about an inch off the ground and the car is also on 19's

http://www.modified.com/modifiedmag/modifiedmagpreview.html

[twofortyrida1388]

A lot of you are from Cali arent you? Where I live I can get inspection stickers like a pack of cigs. I n all out seriousness how much will this swap prolly run if done right? What kind of power can be exspected? I know 05+ VQs make 300+/- depending on car. A front facing TB work be very benificial.

[4thHorse]

Yup to many tree huggers in this state. Your car can pass smog all day long, but with out a c.a.r.b sticker/number on the part it dont matter. A sr20 will pass smog, but not visual. It sucks but the amount of hot girls make up for it.

[twofortyrida1388]

We got girls in port city too. Its worth it. Any swap we want in any form with ZERO emission worries.

[drift freaq]

Hey Drift Freaq, are you going to try to make this swap smog legal or is that a plan for something down the road maybe.

Also not directed at Drift Freaq just a general question. I was looking at the s14 with the vq swap in Modified Mag and something bothered me, so I through this to you guys.
Does the Oil pan sit low on that car or is it just me?
well, not wanting to put all my cards on the table just yet. I cannot say to much more than I already have. I would say keep your fingers crossed. :D

P.S. for clarifications sake. I worked with Syko Performance marketing their stuff and my S13 was the car used for the Prototyping and the Prototype RB25DET install kit. I am not the owner of Syko Performance that is Gary Narusawa.
I have since parted ways with Syko,because we have different goals and idea's.
None the less I have the same level of desire for excellence that Syko extols. I am very well known for selling some of the cleanest S13's out there and several members can personally vouch for that because they bought my cars.

[twofortyrida1388]

Does anyone have any more pics not already posted? Video would be badass. Or an exhaust clip. With custom exhaust it has to sound so much meaner and louder than a 350z. I'm sure it loud as fuck as well. Thanks

[irax]

yeah i plan on putting a modified dart izumi exhaust on my car when its done

[BOROSUN]

Does anyone have any more pics not already posted? Video would be badass. Or an exhaust clip. With custom exhaust it has to sound so much meaner and louder than a 350z. I'm sure it loud as fuck as well. Thanks

have you seen these?
some contain exhaust sounds
http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w47/110octane/?action=view&current=CIMG0371-reencoded.flv

broaners vq30
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/broaner/0/bf6ed458-2a2a-4662-9284-98620170f7a9.htm


gwad a sc vq. mmmm breast milk
http://i18.tinypic.com/29ct5kh.jpg

[twofortyrida1388]

I'm talking about the 35. I saw the streetfire one before and the black one sounds nasty. But thanks.

[irax]

yeah that vert sounds WAAY sick.

[Emp123]

No news? msglngth

[irax]

well I just got my ecu, and the maf i ordered was wrong. so I need to get a correct maf and a fuel pump and my car should be hitting the streets with CEL's forever!

[twofortyrida1388]

get us some pics or vid that would be great.

[irax]

sure, let me barrow your camera!

['90RPS13]

twoforty: NC is the shit when it comes to swaps. I would have to hear/ride in a VQ to consider the swap. I am not sure, but think they look sexy as hell in a S14.

[twofortyrida1388]

I'm more of a s13 guy. It seems like the majority of cool swaps is done in the s14 and would like to see them in an s13. Like the full race r14 the turbo vq s14 in modified mag and etc. I wouldn't mind getting a 97-98 s14 or a 300 though. Yes NC is the shit when it comes to emissions.

[98koukile]

Its a VQ vert with a Kouki front end... that makes it an S13

[irax]

i thought the r14 was a rb26dett awd s14 chassis, and not vq powerd????

[PoorMans180SX]

Like the full race r14, the turbo vq s14 in modified mag, etc.

He forgot his commas.

[vvtisupra]

new intake manifold and dual throttle bodies iirc


What did Nissan do to the 05+ VQ35's to put them at 300hp. I think it is pretty damn cool. Nissan motor+very smooth+tons of torque+aluminum block that can handle 500hp w/o being sleeved and the new GTR engine is in same family etc, etc. The VQ family is the only series to have been in Ward's 10 Best Engines since it was conceived. I am just waiting until I get a garage and more tools. If I were to do something like this it would def have to be done right the first time. This is only good vid I could find of VQ35 S13. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/bf6ed458-2a2a-4662-9284-98620170f7a9.htm

[irax]

no, the 05s still have single throttle, but the 08/09's will have the dual throttle like the GT-R

[twofortyrida1388]

I dont really like the VQ's current intake mani. How it faces to the rear and has that sharp curve to it. How about the new modified S14 Vq, that thing is insane.

[irax]

that intake manifold is a simple design, I'm actualy designing an intake manifold that would best suit the swappers needs. and maybe do a dual throttle body. Its going to use the stock lower intake manifold. By lower I mean middle intake manifold because its a 3pc design.

[twofortyrida1388]

That sounds cool man. Dual TB's that pretty cool.

[irax]

yeah as far as I understand the best intake manifolds hold the same amount of displacement as the engine. and that pentagonal intake plenum looks like it holds less than a 2ltr bottle of coke!

[twofortyrida1388]

I agree. Like the KA's intake mani blows. It is literally shaped like a perfect c. It goes from head all the way back to the block.

[blu808]

We actually have 2 complete vq swap kits in stock right now. Includes, mounts, tranny crossmember, headers, ds, etc.

pm me if your interested.

[ryan hagen]

i got a vq that i have been messin with from a pathfinder. the throttle body is in the middle, it has a intake similliar to a stpck rb20/25, with 3 runners to each side and points to a side over only 1 valve cover, it has varriable intake runners, with long runners that switches to short runners.

[irax]

thats cool post some pics of that manifold! I'm thinking about pickin that up and using it instead of the 350z. All VQ35DE's have a variable intake setup

[twofortyrida1388]

Does anyone have an estimate of what it cost them to do the swap?

[irax]

so far I have spent 3k on the motor set, 200 for ecu, ignition lock, key, emobilizer, 60 for the maf, 100 for fuel pump. If I get really lazy its going to be about 500 to pay some else to wire it, 50 bucks for megan test pipes and y pipe.

3260 is what I have into it, and that is everything I need to DIY add another 1k if I goto joe schmoe wiring guy and have him wire it up. so for 4k if your a smart shopper, shop s mart!

[blu808]

you realize we have a full swap kit right? $800 for the mount kit and we also have headers, ds, etc

[irax]

thats cool... If you have a wire harness for the s14 obd2 with vq35de using 02 maxima ecu ill buy that.

[Emp123]

Just to clarify, this is a totally CARB legal swap right? Its a newer engine produced by the same manufacturer and it (the engine) meets all of todays emission laws. I am currently looking into my options for a legal swap that will offer lots of power and Id prefer to use a newer engine as opposed to the SR/RB (there are people trying to make them CARB legal, the thread is in the Tech section) which are kinda getting old.

[DP_Michelle G]

^^ No it is not a "CARB legal" swap. For it to be a legal swap you will need all the vq emissions parts and then take it have it checked out by the ref.

[irax]

It is a legal swap if you swap over ALL the emissions equipment.

[UfoZ8myCow]

So... Put on the stock headers and cats and a conservative exhaust and Im sure youll pass the ref. After you get it legalized youll be free to go crazy on it.

[irax]

no, you have to hook up the evap lines, and charcole canister is hooked up. Just because you got a legal motor it doesnt mean you got a free pass for turbos, no cats, and supper polluter. no you still gotta rock that shit. otherwise LA will be supper smoggy again!

[Emp123]

Is it difficult to keep all the emissions shit? I don't have a problem keeping them, I figure the 300hp the engine offers is good enough for me (until I get more money.....then weeeee)

[irax]

It shouldnt be difficult but i'll let you know

[McRussellPants]

lol super polluter.

if every car in the usa had zero emmisions it would still be less than 3% of world greenhouse gas production.

caring about car emissions is stupid.

[irax]

yeah that is true but about quality of air

[drift freaq]

lol super polluter.

if every car in the usa had zero emmisions it would still be less than 3% of world greenhouse gas production.

caring about car emissions is stupid.

ya but everyone with an attitude like yours is why we have more pollution than we need. So your not caring about car emissions because you consider them a low contribution to the overall problem, is a stupid rationalization. It pretty much means your looking to feel better about the polluting you do.

[McRussellPants]

ya but everyone with an attitude like yours is why we have more pollution than we need. So your not caring about car emissions because you consider them a low contribution to the overall problem, is a stupid rationalization. It pretty much means your looking to feel better about the polluting you do.

Or I don't delude myself into thinking that even ten-thousand vehicles with 15% less emmisions in a 243,023,485 pool (passenger vehicles only). thats polluting less than 3% of the world product will effect anything other than my pretentious-ness level, which, is already high enough thank you.

power plants produce 60%, but nobody thinks about those, since thats not as trendy as the latest ZZZZZZXLEV that carb is touting as the saviour of everything.

Global Warming is 100% sensationalist. all the big problems are being ignored for the "pat yourself on the back you're helping by running that 40 watt bulb for 10 seconds less each day".

and to make this post on topic.

Theres a VQ swapped 240 in Modified or something this month. Its pretty hilarious since they dropped the front subfame to do the swap. subframe is 1in off the ground, front bumper is 5in off the ground. Go check it out and rofl.

[drift freaq]

Or I don't delude myself into thinking that even ten-thousand vehicles with 15% less emmisions in a 243,023,485 pool (passenger vehicles only). thats polluting less than 3% of the world product will effect anything other than my pretentious-ness level, which, is already high enough thank you.

power plants produce 60%, but nobody thinks about those, since thats not as trendy as the latest ZZZZZZXLEV that carb is touting as the saviour of everything.

Global Warming is 100% sensationalist. all the big problems are being ignored for the "pat yourself on the back you're helping by running that 40 watt bulb for 10 seconds less each day".

and to make this post on topic.

Theres a VQ swapped 240 in Modified or something this month. Its pretty hilarious since they dropped the front subfame to do the swap. subframe is 1in off the ground, front bumper is 5in off the ground. Go check it out and rofl.
touche, I applaud you on the good comeback. I don't disagree with a lot of what you wrote above either. Although global warming is here and in a funny way its about time we started realizing that shit.
Yes to keep it on topic that swap in modified was pretty ugly

[irax]

LOL! yeah I looked at the swap, I don't understand why they would do that other than more clearance for turbos? it must handle pretty funn, i mean the engine sits really close to the crossmember and that shit is on the ground. I bet he hits his pan changing lanes! my oil pain sits above the cross member and directly behind the anti-sway bar. so it will be nearly inpossible to hit my oil pan.

[twofortyrida1388]

That is dumb unless the car is used for track only. With the pan as low as that one is, good luck driving it on the street.

[ryan hagen]

i have a pic, how do i post it, i havent posted a pic in a couple years

[twofortyrida1388]

I can't do it right either.

[Emp123]

Any new news?

[irax]

well, untill i can afford the time to do the swap the carb legal way or have serious answers quickly, I think I'm going to get the AEM computer + wiring harness from vqswap.com. I talked with Andrew at the track today and I would much rather have a running car, than to keep slowly working on it.

[twofortyrida1388]

How do you swap harness. Like how does all the accessory things work with a vq, the map light or power locks shit like that.

[GSXRJJordan]

I'm soooooo glad Drift Freaq is in this thread layin down answers ~ he has more knowledge than most, and a perfectionist bug that makes me trust whatever he uses himself to be more than enough for me :)

Lets see that kit and a price/parts breakdown D, and IB we can't wait for you to finish your car!

[irax]

I'm soooooo glad Drift Freaq is in this thread layin down answers ~ he has more knowledge than most, and a perfectionist bug that makes me trust whatever he uses himself to be more than enough for me :)

Lets see that kit and a price/parts breakdown D, and IB we can't wait for you to finish your car!


yeah I really can not wait either thats why im going with vqswap stuff.

Their wiring harness that works with AEM is 400 bucks but you also need the injector harness for the 350z
and the AEM computer is 1950?
and then a GM map sensor that was like 25 bucks?

there was a few more parts but Andrew said his kit and setup is doing 275 hp but I'm not 100% sure because they were playing music WAY to loud at the track and it was very hard to carry on our conversasion.

[twofortyrida1388]

Is that aem setup standalone?

[blu808]

We have the vqswap.com install kits in stock.

Pm me if anyone is interested.

Luke

[irax]

Is that aem setup standalone?

yeah it is the standalone. I'm going to keep my stock stuff so that later on down the line when i can afford the downtime to figure out how to make it stock i wont have to buy all new stuff.

[twofortyrida1388]

oh ok I understand. Standalone is the shit if you can tune it or have the cash flow to buy it and get someone else to tune it for you.

[drift freaq]

oh ok I understand. Standalone is the shit if you can tune it or have the cash flow to buy it and get someone else to tune it for you.

Standalone is the shit for any engine setup. Problem is its completely not smog legal worthy. I don't know about the rest of you guys but the whole point of the VQ exercise(for me) is to run a light High HP engine thats perfectly legal. You start sticking standalone setups on it, putting on aftermarket stuff etc..., just to make it simpler to get it running and you defeat the purpose. You might as well just toss in a S14 or S15 SR or a RB at that point.

[irax]

if there is a standalone that hooks up to the obd2 scanner or consult2 that would be worth it.

[axiomatik]

i have a pic, how do i post it, i havent posted a pic in a couple years

I can't do it right either.

a bit late, but since I just posted this info in 2 other threads, why not.

Host your pic on a 3rd party site such as photobucket (http://photobucket.com/) or imageshack (http://imageshack.us/) and then copy the link into your message using tags.

Example:
[IMG]The URL of your pic goes here

[UfoZ8myCow]

Standalone is the shit for any engine setup. Problem is its completely not smog legal worthy. I don't know about the rest of you guys but the whole point of the VQ exercise(for me) is to run a light High HP engine thats perfectly legal. You start sticking standalone setups on it, putting on aftermarket stuff etc..., just to make it simpler to get it running and you defeat the purpose. You might as well just toss in a S14 or S15 SR or a RB at that point.

Exaaaaactly... That is the main reason Im interested in doing a VQ swap. Street legality is the name of the game. Otherwise why bother with the uncharted territory? Just throw in your tried and true SR or RB and be done with it.

Im pretty much just waiting on you guys that are being the guinea pigs to get your cars going before I jump in with mine. Props to you guys for doing something new and different!

[NiZMo1o1]

Here is a link to our Local forum , Local guy that was a Ex- KA-T that was already do low E.T.s deicde to go VQ35

http://www.floridastreetscene.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13180

Its almost finsh as hes working on it.. Custom intake manifold , Twin Turbo....

Im debating on doing a VQ in a s13coupe or s13vert...

But im also keeping my s14

[Emp123]

Exaaaaactly... That is the main reason Im interested in doing a VQ swap. Street legality is the name of the game. Otherwise why bother with the uncharted territory? Just throw in your tried and true SR or RB and be done with it.

Im pretty much just waiting on you guys that are being the guinea pigs to get your cars going before I jump in with mine. Props to you guys for doing something new and different!

Go guinea pigs, go!

[twofortyrida1388]

I can't wait to eventually do this thing.

[twofortyrida1388]

How much do you think it would cost to pay someone to wire it up. Putting the motor and tranny in wont be too difficult w/ those custom linkages and mounts but the wiring looks like a nightmare.

[twofortyrida1388]

On a scale 1-10 and dropping a Ferrari 6.0L V12 in an s13 is a 10 and putting the same exact ka back in is a 1; what would the vq30de fair against a vq35de. If the vq35de requires special dealer tools to get running than fuck it. A stand alone can run what $1000-$2000 no freaking way. I'd rather put a vq30 in and put a small turbo on it and some springs/bc cams and call it a day. Something making enough boost for a hacked maf. Actually how much power do you think a stock vq30 can support (I know a walbro 255 is already necessary for swap), injectors, maf, rail, or what. The ka gives out stock at what 220?

[irax]

no, a good KA will give out around 300 w/o fuel pump

VQ30DE-T is good for power on a good build considering they come stock turbo on the cefiro?

[steve shadows]

That would be a fucking insane N/A street car. What about the QR25DE? Is there a RWD tranny that can be put on it?


No, but you can always fab something, also the coolant jacket/ports would be positioned into the firewall so you would have to run a line all the way aroudn to the front for radiator.

The stock ring lands are horrible for turbo applications.

The overall motor is not the best suitable from engineering standpoint for turbo, less so than the KA.

[irax]

No, but you can always fab something, also the coolant jacket/ports would be positioned into the firewall so you would have to run a line all the way aroudn to the front for radiator.

The stock ring lands are horrible for turbo applications.

The overall motor is not the best suitable from engineering standpoint for turbo, less so than the KA.


your an idiot there is a rwd QR25DE transmission, and if your going to do a rwd QR25DE swap use engine and trans from frontier

[Emp123]

Why bother with the QR25DE? Minimal power gain, and the engine has had a few serious issues in its short lifetime, just doesn't make sense to me.

[UfoZ8myCow]

Somehow a Sentra powered 240 just doesnt strike as much fear into my heart as a VQ35 powered 240. :lol:

[irax]

a qr25de was originally going to be my swap but, since i was able to get the vq n everything allot sooner im going with that.

seriously the QR25DE is not that bad of an engine once you remove the ballance shafts. Easy 200ish wheel horse power without opening the engine at all.

[twofortyrida1388]

no, a good KA will give out around 300 w/o fuel pump

VQ30DE-T is good for power on a good build considering they come stock turbo on the cefiro?

With the ka I ment injectors and everything. It can really support that muchin stock form and just turboing it? What do you thing the vq30 is capable of stock with turbo?

[irax]

yeah its a good idea to change injectors unless you want to spend alot of time tuning the turbo setup so its just undermax output. seriously it is a safe thing to say that you should not make hp more than the injector size for the most part. that is just what i heard. I think the VQ30 is capeable with good tune on stock bottem end somewhere around 400

[twofortyrida1388]

400 is way way plenty. In stock form with minor mods what does the vq30 produce? So for a VQ30 to be used I will need the engine, obvious senors, Z33 6MT, Z33 oil pan, harness, ecu, custum shifter linkage, custom or rb25 mounts, custom headers/exhaust, and a profound knowledge of wiring. Oh and can the maxima gauge cluster and dash harness be used If I got it from same car the engine came from?

[irax]

VQ30DE engine, Z33 trans & oil pan, custom shifter linakge or just got a hole in the trans tunnel. custom mounts. z33 headers. FSM and coloured wiring diagrams. Maxima gauge cluster would be nice but not needed at all.

[twofortyrida1388]

Would the cluster make it easier instead of tracing each wire to each gauge in the cluster. What about the speed signal?

[twofortyrida1388]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999-Nissan-Maxima-Instrument-Cluster-78_W0QQitemZ130129249650QQihZ003QQcategoryZ33675QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Looks like it would almost fit if not perfect. I'm having a time trying to find some non jwt cams and springs for the vq30. Oh jwt wants 1100 DOLLARS for just the cams!!!!!! WTF!!!

[tuner777]

i was wondering if VQ35HR would be a street legal setup in CA.. i have '97 240sx.. i love the engine.. and i hate the KA.. puttin SR in california means u gotta get a trailer and a truck to tow it.. cops are hella crackin down on that kinda swap.. and u cant pass SMOG..

[irax]

SR HELLA SUCKS!

if you read any part of this thread you would know how to make the VQ35HR legal in your s14.

[twofortyrida1388]

Yeah theres tons of info on this thing. I've went back throught this thing quite a few times.