dispute about s14 vs s15 turbo please help

[khoadogg]

I advertise a S15 bb turbo and needs rebuild and buyer buys it.

Turns out it's a S15 bb A/T turbo which is the same as a S14 bb turbo.

I told him it's not a specR turbo before he gets it which is fine by him.

He doesn't like it, now wants a refund because a S15 a/t is not a tru s15 specR turbo. What do you guys think?

Sold it for $150

Now I told him to find me articles and good evidence it's not a s15 turbo and i'll refund it no prob. otherwise, sell it for more, i sold it for cheap because i want to run a STOCK ecu w/o tuning.

[Dousan_PG]

FUCK YOU
is what i would say
a s15 turbo is stil a s15 turbo even if it is the same as s14, it was off of an s15 motor which was stock on a s15 engine and therefore, an s15 turbo, not s14

so eat a dick.

[pr0ject TRUENO]

S15 AT/MT same shit, doesn't matter.

[pr0ject TRUENO]

BTW go ahead, refund his money. I'll buy it. That's a good price.

[arkive43]

fuk yea 150.00 and hes complaining. i'd slap a dumass.

[brainfood]

hrmm I though bb center sections couldnt be rebuilt?

[LB.Motoring]

Serious

Khoa,

tell him to eat dick.

he sounds like a kiddy anyways complaining and shit.

[Dousan_PG]

they cant be rebuilt
thats prbably why he wants his money back, no one can do it.
haha

[irax]

did you list the sale as all sales are final? i wouldnt fully refund his money because its not like your a business and it was well discribed before he recieved the part. Its a s15 BB turbo that came off a S15 sr20 that came out of a S15... it's not like you lied to him. honestly fuck it, give him part of his money back and im sure anyone here would buy it for 200 easily... shit for 200 shipped to sd ill buy it and put it on a fucking cressida and not even fully hook it up because i want the turbo sound LOL!

yeah the ball bearing center cartidge can't be rebuilt but easily replaced

[Wei240]

??? you said you told him before it's NOT a spec r, he's fine with it, and then when he got it, he wants his money back because it's not spec r???

if he says it is lameness, go ahead and kick him down a well...

[ronmcdon]

Buyer should have done his homework before hand, but then again some of these subleties are difficult to anticipate. prior to this, i would have thought all S15 turbos were the same.

I dont think you the seller did anything wrong, and i dont think you would be in the wrong to refuse giving the buyer his money back. However, it would be nice if you did. If it were me, I would give the buyer his money back out of courtesy (but not out of obligation, as there really is none imo).

OT just curious, how much does it cost to rebuild that S14 turbo?

[khoadogg]

thanks for all the support y'all, zilvia's humor cracks me up. hahah. if i refund it back, i'd have to post that he's a bad buyer but he can easily resell it. you can't rebuild it but you can replace the center which is rebuilding the turbo as a whole. i just didn't like the idea of him demanding his money because it's not what i advertised. check my threads, i'm always a good seller and lowballin' buyer, hahah.

He should just repost it and sell it because if i refund it, i'll be stuck selling, shipping and the hassle isn't worth it for me. I have homework to do!!!!

[Wei240]

isn't the cost of rebuilding a bb turbo the same as just buying a new one, since it's pretty much replacing the entire cartridge assembly?

[Wei240]

blah, beat me to the punch

[wootwoot]

Thats an expensive ass paper weight tell that much. a CHRA costs the near the price of a new turbo if you can even find one

[khoadogg]

There's a site that sells them for $300 maybe less. The best thing is that it'll be a brand new turbo.

[DJ_Sunrise]

whats the website? yea, the s15 had two different turbos.. the SPEC R has inconel blades, so they are a bit more durable.. and a little itty bitty shroud seperating the exhaust blades from the wastegate..nothing to bitch about IMO, 150 is a great price...

-Bart

[Flybert]

Yeah, that's bullshit. Keep your money.

[CKAMC]

have the guy read this thread

[koukie180]

ok i am the buyer of this turbo and also a seller on zilvia. i have a sold quite a few stuff and have had good feedback. i bought this turbo already knowing its not spec R, don't care if its spec R or not, and planning to just replace the center cartridge. now i got the part number 14411-69F00 from the CHRA on the turbo and if you know your stuff, you know that 69F00 is s14 part number. i bet that the seller (name is khoa) can't even guarantee me that this turbo actually came off of a s15 motor. irregardless, the turbo itself is still s14 turbo, not a s15 turbo which has part number such as 75F or 85F. even if the turbo is on a different car, it is still an s14 turbo.

i am not trying to create nething wit this seller, but i believe i was wronged. i know it may not be the sellers fault for not knowing, but i did my research and know my hw. i will take pics and even a video and show you guys wut kind of a turbo he had sold me.

i have also went to FRSport to reconfirm, and as you know FRSport is a big vendor on zilvia, and these ppl definitely know a lot. they even told me that the part number is an s14 turbo.

btw he didn't even mention broken turbine wheel, bent shaft, messed up center cartridge, blown main seal. it leaks oil and the turbine wheel hits the wall when rotated. shouldn't the seller be as honest as he can be? all i got from him was "yea, it may need a rebuild cuz i like everything stock and new on my car". so ill let you guys be the judge.

now for those who don't know nething, don't even try to flame me. if u were in my shoes u wouldn't even be saying nething.

** theres the CHRA **
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8291/image003fp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


** notice the turbine wheel. i already knew it needed a rebuild, but this is beyond a rebuild or replacement for that matter **
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2894/image001xv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


** notice the spacing from the wall of the wheel on top and bottom, the top spacing is so close to the wall, that it grinds against it and i can hear it **
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5708/image002eo4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


** heres a video for ppl who can't imagine it **
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2018093935

thas the turbine wheel with shaft, turbine cover plate, and center cartridge looking at turbine side.
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9614/image007lv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

turbine wheel all chewed up, i thot it was bad jus looking at from the outside, but the inside is even worse.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4443/image001bi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

whatever went through the turbo ate the groove of the main seals and destroyed it.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4194/image002sz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thas the turbine cover plate, with plenty of grinded sh*t and dirty oil
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7645/image003iy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

center cartridge, check out the journal inside that holds the ball bearings, bunch of little balls fell out when it took out the shaft.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1002/image004jk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

side shot
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8747/image005yr6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

wow, check out that turbine housing, you think u can reuse that after its been grinded down?
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3317/image006yd3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[koukie180]

it is not same turbo. s15 MT is 14411-91F00 and s15 AT is 14411-69F00

S15 AT/MT same shit, doesn't matter.

[koukie180]

he doesn't even know if it came from s15, for all i know it could've came from s14. look at my pics. do you still want to buy that for 200? and you're right you can only change the center cartidge, but not rebuild.

did you list the sale as all sales are final? i wouldnt fully refund his money because its not like your a business and it was well discribed before he recieved the part. Its a s15 BB turbo that came off a S15 sr20 that came out of a S15... it's not like you lied to him. honestly fuck it, give him part of his money back and im sure anyone here would buy it for 200 easily... shit for 200 shipped to sd ill buy it and put it on a fucking cressida and not even fully hook it up because i want the turbo sound LOL!

yeah the ball bearing center cartidge can't be rebuilt but easily replaced

[brokeAs240sx]

Turns out it's a S15 bb A/T turbo which is the same as a S14 bb turbo.
...
Now I told him to find me articles and good evidence it's not a s15 turbo and i'll refund it no prob. otherwise, sell it for more, i sold it for cheap because i want to run a STOCK ecu w/o tuning.

Well, is there good evidence that it's the S15 bb a/t turbo rather than an s14 turbo? Not that it should make much of a difference, but still seems to me the same as you making him prove it's not an s15 turbo...

I guess if I were selling it, I wouldn't have advertised as "needing rebuild" if I knew they couldn't be rebuilt... but rather that it needed a new center cartridge and turbine wheel (looking @ the pic above, the wheel looks pretty bad).

You advertised as needs rebuild, and it can't be rebuilt (and it seems you know it can't be rebuilt), so I see some justification in the claim.

And when I was getting quotes from local shops that rebuild turbos, replacing the turbine wheel was not mentioned as part of a rebuild. Not sure if you described to him the exact condition of the turbo and shaft play/etc.

Just my 2 cents, I guess. Hope you guys work this out.

[delinquentracer]

mistake on post, read below.

[delinquentracer]

If the turbo is BB, no one will touch it to "rebuild" it. You need to buy a new center section. The turbine wheel is trashed, and if either of the wheels have touched down a lot, then it may even need new housings. Which would mean, time for a whole new turbo.
Looks like something went through the turbo. I.e. engine parts. Something flew around in there and ate up that wheel. Thats usually what they look like when that happens.
That turbo is beyond "rebuild." Only because of the fact that if its BB. If it is Standard bearing then its possible that it could be rebuild, with new wheels and internal parts, as long as the bearing housing is in spec.
Ive bought stuff from khoa before, met him. Hes a cool guy, although maybe a little misinformed on that turbo. Its in a lot more need of just a rebuild. (if its BB.)

[koukie180]

yea he is a koo guy, ive talked to him many times on aim. but all throughout those times, he never even mentioned how bad it was. i just want to work this out within manners. btw i believe it is BB from what i can tell. If number of bolts holding the center cartridge to turbine is 4, then it is "brush" type, if it is 6 then "ballbearing" type. the turbo has 6 bolts. i can't guarantee how accurante that information is tho, cuz i got it from another forum.

[khoadogg]

Rrebuilding the bb turbo means replacing the center cartridge how else can you rebuild BB? The buyer knew it could use a rebuild. He was anxious because he thought it was a specR so that's why he jumped on it but i told him it wasn't. If it was a spec R and there was the clip in the turbine wheel, it'd be gravy and no complaint. The housing does NOT need to be fixed, geez c'mon guys.

I'm just saying that I sold a legit item, the part number PROVES my post was legit and the condition of it was reflected in the price. I am no way obligated to refund the money and doing so would be accepting his claims. If I do decided to send back any part of the money, it would be out of courtesy which would have to be acknowledged.

I just want the forum members to help with a decision here, I don't have any intentions to scam anyone because sooner or later, we'll all meet somewhere, hah. The buyer can either repost it for sale, send it back for me to sell and I'll refund the money, or just send it back with a partial refund.

thanks y'all!!! when are the drift events coming up to the bay!??!?

delinquentracer:::: how have you been man!? any pics of those wheels?!?! how's the gf treatin' ya?

[koukie180]

hehe khoa, you didn't even know you can't rebuild BB until i told you. you're like "oh really? i didn't know that" and this turbo is more than just a replacement cartridge, thas also a wheel replacement, maybe another turbine housing. beyond rebuild/replacement. basically new turbo like delinquentracer said.

the PART NUMBER does not prove that your turbo actually came off a s15 now does it. it can also mean s14.

i just talked to you on aim right now, our conversation goes:

d4ydr33m3r (6:52:19 PM): sup
d4ydr33m3r (6:52:34 PM): so i read the thread
SOARIN STRONG (6:54:24 PM): what do you think
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:22 PM): ur giving me a big headache man
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:25 PM): haha thas wut
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:35 PM): since u started the thread
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:38 PM): ima wait it out
d4ydr33m3r (6:54:41 PM): we'll see
SOARIN STRONG (6:54:44 PM): just send it back
SOARIN STRONG (6:54:49 PM): i'll refund your money
d4ydr33m3r (6:55:38 PM): ur serious right?
d4ydr33m3r (6:55:54 PM): i don't want to be going back and forth
SOARIN STRONG (6:56:05 PM): wait, let me read what you posted
d4ydr33m3r (6:56:14 PM): k
SOARIN STRONG (7:02:21 PM): let me post a few things and let it marinate
d4ydr33m3r (7:02:50 PM): wut do u mean by that

so your backing out of your decision just like that? com on man. keep your words.

[jspecusa]

Why don't you guys carry more used turbo, LSD, and coilover?
There are plenty of cheap used coilovers in Japan, but most of them are blown or bent due to accident
. Just like battery all those item will need replacement as time goes by(depend on abuse).
We suggest NEVER buy used turbo,LSD, and Coilover anyone can just BS you about the history of them.

PS. I rather not sell them due to all this headache this guy is having over $150.

[TiNMAN]

buttseks .

[lmananT]

Man the turbo looks so bad, I wouldn't even think about selling it. Just give the man back his money.

[!Zar!]

Umm.

Guys...

That's a s14'k's/s15 spec-r w/auto tranny. Turbo

[lmananT]

Umm.

Guys...

That's a s14'k's/s15 spec-r w/auto tranny. Turbo


You got facts to back that up?

[!Zar!]

So folks, I figure that while I'm pink I may as well be useful.
Here's a quick EDU regarding S14 and S15 turbines, and how to tell them apart.

First, here's your part numbers:
'S14' turbo: 14411-69F00
'S15' turbo: 14411-75F00

Here's an 'S14' turbine.
This turbine came on S14 K's and S15 Spec-Rs with automatic transmissions.

Inlet:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7056/s14inlet2lu.jpg

Outlet:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7417/s14exh1cu.jpg

Part number:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/156/s14partno6sq.jpg

Here's an 'S15' turbo. These came only on S15 Spec-R with manual transmission.

Inlet:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3083/s15inlet7kx.jpg

Outlet:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5522/s15exh9db.jpg

Part number:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5930/s15partno0cq.jpg

As you can see, they're nearly identical in construction. The face of the compressor housing has the same markings, even.
The housing do have slight differences in their castings, and other small details. The greatest difference between them is the presence of a divider wall in the outlet of the S15 Spec-R MT turbine.
This is the greatest giveaway (besides part number).

Jap PS13 14411-50F00
AU/NZ S14 (pre-facelift) 14411-75F00
AU/NZ S14 (facelift) 14411-75F00

Jap S14 (pre-facelift) 14411-69F00
Jap S14 (facelift) 14411-82F01
Jap S14 (Autech/270R) 14411-RP801 (Same as S15 early MT turbo)
Jap/ NZ S15 (early*) 14411-91F00 Manual model only
Jap/ NZ S15 (early*) 14411-69F00 Automatic models

Jap/ NZ/ AU S15 late* 14411-75F00 Same as NZ S14 and same for both Auto and manual

What's the difference between S14 and S15 SR Turbos? (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=108125&highlight=s15+turbo)

Damn. I straight bombed this thread like iraq.

[lmananT]

car wash!!!! l8ez~

[!Zar!]

Um...

No.

Because it is a s15 turbo.

It just happens to have been used on a s14.

[irax]

The buyer knew it could use a rebuild.


no no no no.... there is a BIG difference between COULD USE a rebuild and ABSOLUTELY NEEDS a rebuild. YOU CLEARLY used the wrong words. Because that turbo ABSOULTELY NEEDS a rebuild. If I saw those picture I would of backed out of the sale.

'could use a rebuild' implies that the overal condition of the internals of the part is unknown but the visibily there isn't anything decernable. May leak oil internaly, but has all fins there.

'ablsolutely needs a rebuild' implies that condition of the internals is known to be faulty or bad IE chunks mission out of the fins, leaks oil externaly

[DP_Michelle G]

^^ Refund what it's still an s15 turbo. it's just not a spec r

[lmananT]

ahha ok...u win bro...ne wayz...car wash l8ez!!!have fun disputing i tried? haha

[lmananT]

no no no no.... there is a BIG difference between COULD USE a rebuild and ABSOLUTELY NEEDS a rebuild. YOU CLEARLY used the wrong words. Because that turbo ABSOULTELY NEEDS a rebuild. If I saw those picture I would of backed out of the sale.

'could use a rebuild' implies that the overal condition of the internals of the part is unknown but the visibily there isn't anything decernable. May leak oil internaly, but has all fins there.

'ablsolutely needs a rebuild' implies that condition of the internals is known to be faulty or bad IE chunks mission out of the fins, leaks oil externaly

you guys should see it in person...it looks worst!

yea man just refund it doode...you'd want a refund if this happened to you...

[khoadogg]

[QUOTE=lmananT]Man the turbo looks so bad, I wouldn't even think about selling it. Just give the man back his money. [QUOTE]
quit vouching for your friends :loco:

using the work "implies" itself is up for debate which nullifies your post. Its still an S15 turbo and i told him it is not a specR turbo. buy a cartdridge for $300 and have a $350 fresh turbo. $150 for an S15 reflected the condition of it :bigok:

[!Zar!]

Bah.

I don't even see why this thread is still open.

Dude came in with two things.

1 being that the turbo wasn't off a s15.
Just proven wrong.

2nd being that it needs to be rebuilt.
He was told it needs to be rebuilt.

Now wtf is this even being disputed?

California has no cooling off period.

So all you can do is take your loss or whatever and deal with it.

Don't come around trying to be a buster because you're regretting what you bought.

[irax]

it is the turbo he says it is, but it is deffinatly not in the condition he said it is. A center cartridge would include the fins and gaskets so it would be fine. But thats about $400 cost thrugh one of my suppliers (i sell rebuilt stock US SPEC turbos) a total cost of 550 still isnt bad for what becomes a brand new turbo. If I was the guy I would keep it, but at the same time I would have been patient enough to see pics first. After seen pics I only would buy it still but at like 100 shipped. But If I did not have access to parts and rebuilders thrugh my job I would not of bought it if I knew that it NEEDED to be rebuilt. Like I said could use a rebuild would make me feel like I can run it for like 5-6 months before rebuilding it.

[koukie180]

Bah.

I don't even see why this thread is still open.

Dude came in with two things.

1 being that the turbo wasn't off a s15.
Just proven wrong.

2nd being that it needs to be rebuilt.
He was told it needs to be rebuilt.

Now wtf is this even being disputed?

California has no cooling off period.

So all you can do is take your loss or whatever and deal with it.

Don't come around trying to be a buster because you're regretting what you bought.

now you did posted pics and of the sort to show, but how can you tell me that this specific turbo actually came off of a s15, it couldve be taken off s14 for all i kno correct?

and btw this is not a rebuild. its buying everything new and replace. the word rebuild means replacing gaskets, seals, or rebuilding what is there already. but this is like replacing everything, and might as well as a new turbo.

i do appreciate the fact you posted pics tho, that somewhat helps, but the part numbers already show the same.

i don't care if this is california or nevada or florida, money is money, and i'll stand for what i believe in.

Don't come around trying to be a buster because you're regretting what you bought.

don't be a hypocrite and say something that contradicts your own actions. everyone in their lifetime regret something that they bought for certain reasons.


buy a cartdridge for $300 and have a $350 fresh turbo. $150 for an S15 reflected the condition of it

lol the center cartidge is worth at least $500, iono where you got $300 from. not only its just that $500, but you gotta buy new seals and gaskets. and ~$500 is not so far from $650 for a brand new s15 turbo.

[CKAMC]

To back up Mel even more and what Kevin took effort into... screen shots from the parts catalog

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/2243/s14turboph8.th.jpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s14turboph8.jpg)
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8302/s15turbosm1.th.jpg (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s15turbosm1.jpg)

[womenbeshoppin]

damn, Dousans intense.

[Wei240]

~$500 is not so far from $650 for a brand new s15 turbo.

so when is a brand new s15 turbo for 650, links?

[koukie180]

thas my hook up price. not for you :)

[Wei240]

then you should just buy it then, 650 is cheap for s15 t28 new

and especially when you knew it's a busted non spec r turbo, why bother messing around...

[koukie180]

haha isn't that too late already. im over it. it took me whole two days to get my car running again and i went back to stock t25. i even upgraded to 550cc and z32 mafs w/ new ecu tune. but this turbo is more than just a rebuild in IMO, so in turn i can't use it. after all this i aint even gonna take my turbo off again for another 6 months. forget it... im too tired.

[khoadogg]

offered buyer a refund of $100 but he has decided to keep the turbo. I still believe nothing wrong and he got a deal on the turbo. moderators please close this thread!

[koukie180]

haha here is what i paid for.. good deal huh? lol oh well, i took it apart for learning experience. if you or anyone who's gonna buy from khoa in the future, make sure you think twice. this turbo is oviously beyond rebuild or replacement of parts for that matter.

thas the turbine wheel with shaft, turbine cover plate, and center cartridge looking at turbine side.
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9614/image007lv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

turbine wheel all chewed up, i thot it was bad jus looking at from the outside, but the inside is even worse.
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4443/image001bi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

whatever went through the turbo ate the groove of the main seals and destroyed it.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4194/image002sz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thas the turbine cover plate, with plenty of grinded sh*t and dirty oil
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7645/image003iy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

center cartridge, check out the journal inside that holds the ball bearings, bunch of little balls fell out when it took out the shaft.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1002/image004jk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

side shot
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8747/image005yr6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

wow, check out that turbine housing, you think u can reuse that after its been grinded down?
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3317/image006yd3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[steve shadows]

whats more amazing and sad than anything is that anyone would buy any turbo for 150 bucks regardless of rebuild or not....

I mean IMO if you didnt get the s15 turbo off the clip or in great shape to begin with its worthless.

I start from 2871R .64 housing and go from there, I dont even want to see a t25 again ever, t28 even BB, bah, screw that.

I cant even follow this dispute but thats my .02 random cents.

ps. you guys are arguing about a bottm mount oem used pile of crap, and between s14 , 15 bb, they are the same fucking turbo. its a GT2860R...

thats what it fucking is, not a space shuttle, just a good ole BB 60 trim based t28 turbine housing bottm mount internal gated pile of vrap.

what the hell is going on here?

[khoadogg]

i'm refunding his money, that turbo sux ass. the rebuild and part number dispute didn't do it but that condition is beyond a simple cartridge fix or part number argument. please send it back! I apologize again :bash:

[koukie180]

alrite so i sent a request for refund through paypal, lets see if mr. khoadogg keeps his words.

[koukie180]

still waiting....

[Ian]

it mighta not gotten there yet

[Inland180]

buyers mistake by buying a used turbo in "might need rebuild" status.
but mainevent212 might be right...he might have not received the turbo yet. stop crying over $150 like you said.. take it as a learning experience on buying used turbos!!

[bloodangels13]

i say you took the damn thing apart you bought it... i wouldnt have offered you a refund........ y buy used? save your money and buy new instead of hoping the old ass turbo isnt ganna take a shit while your driving down the road

lsauto.com has the best price ive seen avail to the general consumer

[spdfreek0o]

There is only slight differences between gt2560, gt28r, s14 t28, and s15 t28. You would not notice a differnce in performance at all.

[bigOdom1]

are you serious there s a huge difference in performance between those check some dynos and you will see to the extent of 50hp and 1000rpm spool

[koukie180]

hey money is money, wutever needs to be done, will be done. you might be right, but I used the same address on the return slip on the box, so that shouldn't be a problem and fedex tracking number confirmed it. as he promised he would refund. if not i got other ways.

buyers mistake by buying a used turbo in "might need rebuild" status.
but mainevent212 might be right...he might have not received the turbo yet. stop crying over $150 like you said.. take it as a learning experience on buying used turbos!!

[khoadogg]

OK, khoadogg is a lying son of a b*tch. He promised he would refund my money if I send back the turbo. I sent it back and its been a week now since he hasn't responded. BEWARE FOR THIS SELLER, SHADY, SLY, and THE WORST.

Hey Vu,

I haven't been online because of school and haven't been at my parents house to see if the turbo got in. I'm refunding you because I feel bad for you, I'd appreciate it if you refrain from the name calling and making yourself look like an ass before I say screw you and I go send back the turbo you bought and then you'd have to deal with it with your "other ways" Fixed your posts before I send out the money or leave it and I"ll send back your turbo. Send me your number again so I can call you because noone is avoiding you. BTW, stop sending my so many pM's because my box is full and I can't accept anymore.

Thanks,
Kho-ah

[koukie180]

well after a lot of headaches and msgs back and forth, khoadogg showed his honest side. thanks for refunding and able to make time out of your busy schedule.

[khoadogg]

hi y'all!!! just to keep this dead thread alive.... there's a shop in Texas you can send it to to rebuild ball bearings. They just replace the center w/ dual or single ball bearings. Cost... $450.. hahah