1st cheap rwd coupe hits US in 08'

[Baka Sama]

And its 1 liter... Oh Snap!

Clever packaging makes the most of the space. Just one engine will be offered in the U.S. — a 1.0-liter, three-cylinder developing 71 horsepower and 68 pound-feet of torque — and it's mounted under the trunk floor, just in front of the rear axle. The steeply raked rear hatch provides a surprisingly spacious load bay. There are 7.8 cubic feet of cargo space, which gives it an edge over the Mini. Occupant space is also generous. The passenger seat is positioned slightly behind the driver seat to optimize shoulder room, and this 6-foot-4-inch scribe had no trouble getting comfortable.

In America, the Fortwo will be distributed by the United Auto Group, a U.S. dealer group owned by racing legend Roger Penske. It will start with the Pulse at around $11K, which will have steel rims and no air-conditioning. The more upmarket Passion will cost around $13K and add air, alloys and a transparent polycarbonate roof. Topping the range will be the $15K convertible, which boasts an electrically folding soft top that can be opened or closed at any speed.


http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/imageSnag/smartev.jpg
http://www.torq-o.com/Images/Blog%20images/SmartForTwo_coupe2.jpg
http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/x1pdXMbD-RMMPwb6eGGtZWRapO16kVXvDYHonnff-cW6F7pOlSySr6f1M2Ls6LVJ3tSPpTVN9Oh9e0IB07qmtcYPkcK e6Bw4OeQTOnVO8r9QzPomipMLzG7tg

No word yet if we're getting the Roadsters as well.. :)

http://www.carsonpaper.nl/smart01.jpg

[arkive43]

allright!! were getting smarts!!!!!!















:( too bad theres too many nondriving soccer moms in huge trucks flying around.

[GSTracer05]

Thats the biggest p.o.s. car to hit the market in 2008. I'd much rather use the 11k and buy a decent used car. Imagine pulling up in front of nice restaurant with your date in that. lol

[arkive43]

hahahahaahahahaha

[WILDACEX187]

doesnt that guy look like a fag driving that car lawl. i saw one the other day zip by me i was like "WTF was that"? dont they have a turbo version making like 100 hp?

[Baka Sama]

Turbo version makes 84hp I believe :keke:

[WILDACEX187]

awesome lawl

[TheSquidd]

Crash tests it does great, gets awesome mileage, 84 hp on something that weighs as much as a couch? fuck yeah.

I'd drive it.
I'd drive a girl around in it.
I'd pull up to restaurants in it.

Wtf who CARES what you drive up to a restaurant in?? Are you that vain that you think people actually care what you look like?

It's a nice car for someone who lives in the big city, you can get around easily, go places others in their SUV's can't, park anywhere.

How long until we see a Sr20det in one of those ? Any bets?

[Dutchmalmiss]

brabus ftw...

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5913/smartfortwo541024fj3.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7668/smartbrabus101061024yg2.jpg

roadsters are pretty cool too..

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3800/smartroadster021024vi3.jpg

[WilloW]

I think there's a video of some guy in germany that swapped a Hayabusa engine into one of those little box and drifted.

[BC240]

Haha id be afraid of people tipping my car over

[wootwoot]

I'm excited about that!! 1 liter super bike motor swap! or if you're baller Busa and zx14 swap. bwhahah


zx14 makes 113lb feet and near 200hp. I dare someone! They did something similar with a stunt show at Disney's MGM Orlando

[TheSquidd]

Roadster is pretty slick. I'll wait for those.

Crash test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biYLn47VwJs

[silverarrow27]

The roadster looks like an RX8, but still sweet nonetheless. So which company is behind this little car?

[Akiros]

hmm wow, this is gonna be the new popular, cheap dorifto machina! i can see it now, fn01rc's in 3 lug. (sarcasm)

on a side note, a gsxr swap would be cool, but Im really not feeling this car.

[clutch kick drifter]

id drive one , and bets are a SR will go into one of these shits soon or a B18 or soemthing haha.:tweak:

[irax]

ill buy a roadster, then make some 3 lug to 5lug wheel adapters... and then start hard parkin with some 22' on the bish!

[95zilvia]

holy shit
3 lug
HAHAHA
it's cute
if it was cheaper, i'd get it!
like, 8k :P

[markyboi]

looks like:
1. shiet
2. will tip over
3. if you get into a rear end accident...your paralyzed/dead

[r2d2]

throw some "D"s on that SH*T lol

[Baka Sama]

Weight is estimated at 1600lbs and Daimler Chrysler is behind this madness. For all those that think its underpowered, sleep on this... Its faster in a 1/4 mile than a stock 240sx :doh:

Im waiting for the roadsters to cross over! Cheap, fun, and very stylish.

[kouki_s14]

looks like:
1. shiet
2. will tip over
3. if you get into an accident...your paralyzed/dead

yea true since every other person on the streets drives a SUV or truck, you're pretty screwed. Maybe not if you get hit in the front, but the rear and sides probably have less protection, not to mention a suv's front end might slam into the side window going over the cage, or worse yet run over the roofless car.

Then again gas is crazy expensive, so it will probably sell, maybe reducing the number of SUVs out there.

[s13gold]

someone put a siccck swap in that thing.

[markyboi]

they should make those wheels in 4 lug..lol

[drift freaq]

The roadster does look a tad interesting. :D

[kouki_s14]

The roadster does look a tad interesting. :D

reminds me a bit of a lotus
just turbo it using stock sr20 turbos, everyone seems to have one laying around. that should be plenty for that car

[drift freaq]

yea true since every other person on the streets drives a SUV or truck, you're pretty screwed. Maybe not if you get hit in the front, but the rear and sides probably have less protection, not to mention a suv's front end might slam into the side window going over the cage, or worse yet run over the roofless car.

Then again gas is crazy expensive, so it will probably sell, maybe reducing the number of SUVs out there.
Heh, whatever takes out all the excess SUV's on the road more power to it. lol

[TheSquidd]

looks like:
1. shiet
2. will tip over
3. if you get into a rear end accident...your paralyzed/dead

And thus, and SUV owner is born.

[Dutchmalmiss]

oh shit! watch out suv owners!

http://www.desktopmachine.com/pics/Smart_forfun_65_1024x768.jpg

http://www.desktopmachine.com/pics/Smart_forfun_63_1024x768.jpg

[Munch]

Ide heeeecckaa drive one of those roadsters. Theyre freakin cool! I just wish that if we get em, we could get the awesome brabus version. Continuing on the dreaming....i wanna drive one of the awesome brabus-tuned turbo v6 models, over 200 hp i think.

[WILDACEX187]

to they even come manual? hayabusa engine in that would be sick

[ThatGuy]

5 minutes of fun.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6943929304503696419&q=Smart&hl=en

and

Smart "Diablo" vs. Ferrari
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5292341112610385808&q=Smart&hl=en

[LB.Motoring]

Thats the biggest p.o.s. car to hit the market in 2008. I'd much rather use the 11k and buy a decent used car. Imagine pulling up in front of nice restaurant with your date in that. lol


hahaha even worse, Imagine you pulling up to a nice resurant in a s13 :ugh:

[lucky7]

the normal looking one in the hatchback looks really cool. i remember seeing one on topgear about a year or so ago. if the MPG is decent, and the fun-factor is there. i dont see why i wouldnt have to investigate purchasing one. the only downfall i see is practicality. im interested in getting a legacy GT wagon just because it can do it all. this on the other hand, is not quite the same.

i would prefer to say that Smart is to Mercedes, as Scion is to Toyota. i just dont like to think of it as having anything to do with chrysler. haha.

[SimpleS14]

The roadster does look interesting...but that micro car fits the European market better due to smaller roads in cities built on existing layouts from centuries ago.

[wootwoot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLVQtK04lig


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv0AI3hjc7k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KEfkDO6hlA

[klohiq]

Weight is estimated at 1600lbs and Daimler Chrysler is behind this madness. For all those that think its underpowered, sleep on this... Its faster in a 1/4 mile than a stock 240sx :doh:

Im waiting for the roadsters to cross over! Cheap, fun, and very stylish.

lol The 240sx is slow and underpowered too...what does that prove??? OMG ITS THE FASTEST SLOW CAR IN ALL OF THE WORLD!!1!!!!111ONE!!!

Looks alright, but is basically has as much use as a motorcycle and it's way the fuck slower so why bother with it???

And to anyone thinking a motorcycle engine would be awesome, why not just buy a used hayabusa for like 6 grand? At least you can wheelie that thing and it will run 9s bone stock...

2wheels > 4wheels

[GSTracer05]

Hahaha. You can swing by with a S13. Some of these guys pull of some clean S13s. As long as your bumpers are not being held together by zip-ties. I've driven the S14 once in a blue moon or the Eclipse but I mostly use the company car.

And hell yes I'm vain when it comes to showing some class in a classy establishment. I'm not pulling up to Boa, Cut, Koi etc. in some car that can be found in the bottom of a cereal box. That may work in Ontario where the Black Angus is considered the top of the line dining establishment but in Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Los Angeles, it wont fly :)


hahaha even worse, Imagine you pulling up to a nice resurant in a s13 :ugh:

[Baka Sama]

And hell yes I'm vain when it comes to showing some class in a classy establishment. I'm not pulling up to Boa, Cut, Koi etc. in some car that can be found in the bottom of a cereal box. That may work in Ontario where the Black Angus is considered the top of the line dining establishment but in Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Los Angeles, it wont fly :)

And thats why people from California suck. :keke: "Dont look at those people, everyone look at me! Look at me!!" hahaha

[ALTRNTV]

"Throw some D's on that bizzzzzzz!"

[WILDACEX187]

lol The 240sx is slow and underpowered too...what does that prove??? OMG ITS THE FASTEST SLOW CAR IN ALL OF THE WORLD!!1!!!!111ONE!!!

Looks alright, but is basically has as much use as a motorcycle and it's way the fuck slower so why bother with it???

And to anyone thinking a motorcycle engine would be awesome, why not just buy a used hayabusa for like 6 grand? At least you can wheelie that thing and it will run 9s bone stock...

2wheels > 4wheels

if u live in cold weather than u would know why this is better than a bike

[wootwoot]

2wheels>4wheels???

what the fuck are you talking? Motorcycles? I thought this was a car forum and the discussion was on cars. Cut the salt out and shut your face

[SochBAT]

Those roadsters are retardedly sick.

[atom]

The roadster was discontinued by smart over a year ago theres no way the US is gettin it. Some company bought the rights to it and were gonna re-release the design under a new name but I don't know whatever happened to it.

[TheSquidd]

Hahaha. You can swing by with a S13. Some of these guys pull of some clean S13s. As long as your bumpers are not being held together by zip-ties. I've driven the S14 once in a blue moon or the Eclipse but I mostly use the company car.

And hell yes I'm vain when it comes to showing some class in a classy establishment. I'm not pulling up to Boa, Cut, Koi etc. in some car that can be found in the bottom of a cereal box. That may work in Ontario where the Black Angus is considered the top of the line dining establishment but in Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Los Angeles, it wont fly :)

I don't even know where to START.

In fact I wont. I think you just said all that needed to be said about yourself.

:loco:

[SilviaNinja240]

I always thought it was a great idea to have kei-class cars in America. I'm really happy they are starting to make them there too. I hope to see more like them, I really wish they would bring the Copen to America

[DriftSpecS14]

i feel a two wheel motion coming on!!!!

[drift freaq]

Hahaha. You can swing by with a S13. Some of these guys pull of some clean S13s. As long as your bumpers are not being held together by zip-ties. I've driven the S14 once in a blue moon or the Eclipse but I mostly use the company car.

And hell yes I'm vain when it comes to showing some class in a classy establishment. I'm not pulling up to Boa, Cut, Koi etc. in some car that can be found in the bottom of a cereal box. That may work in Ontario where the Black Angus is considered the top of the line dining establishment but in Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, Los Angeles, it wont fly :)

not only vain but a wannabe, lol. come back when you really are a celebrity till then stop posing.
Oh ya and you assume a lot about people and area's, that you have no clue about as well.

[BustedS13]

hahaha even worse, Imagine you pulling up to a nice resurant in a s13 :ugh:

:rofl:

i'd swerve one. not quite cheap enough though- you can buy a brand new cobalt for that much (yes cobalts suck, but you'd be driving a normal looking car with four seats). a few grand less and it'd make more sense to buy the two seater dinkmobile... and if i bought one, it'd definitely be a hardtop. people would be flinging drinks at you all day if you had a convertible smart car, and were a dude.

[klohiq]

if u live in cold weather than u would know why this is better than a bike

I live in maine and I ride in the snow, rain, slush, whatever. As long as it's not freezing rain or ice a motorcycle does quite well. That car looks to have a wheelbase nearing some motorcycles and it's rwd, so imo it's barely a step up in terms of stability or control in poor road conditions.

nothing a car can do compares to what you can do with a bike...look at this video - drifting (also called "backing it in"), endos (stoppies), wheelies, etc
http://www.teamxmx.com/video/teach.wmv

And to anyone who tells me that this isn't a bike chat forum...it's O-fucking-T so it's for anything from bikes to this poor excuse for an automobile. I pity anyone who pays 11k for this when they could have a brand new Ducati 1098.

http://www.ducati1098.net/gallery/albums/bmottershead/1098_3_4_view.jpg
http://www.ducati1098.net/gallery/albums/diablo/IMG_3382small.sized.jpg

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

http://www.turboforum.net/forums/files/smart01_956.jpg


i think my s13 is small enough, as it is.

[Munch]

^^^ ouch.......talk about pancakes.

[irax]

http://www.turboforum.net/forums/files/smart01_956.jpg


i think my s13 is small enough, as it is.
Did they burry the sponge? or did the cremate it?

[illvialuver]

the roaster reminds me of a mazda. looks alright. but yeah not that cool i can see them as cooler than a prius. esp the roadster

[MURPHY]

yea ive already seen one running around here. actually 2. pretty neat

[TheSquidd]

?

i think my s13 is small enough, as it is.


That's retarded. An S13 would be just as destroyed, hell an SUV that hit a Semi head on would kill everyone involved.

Don't be lame.

[Baka Sama]

I live in maine and I ride in the snow, rain, slush, whatever. As long as it's not freezing rain or ice a motorcycle does quite well. That car looks to have a wheelbase nearing some motorcycles and it's rwd, so imo it's barely a step up in terms of stability or control in poor road conditions.

nothing a car can do compares to what you can do with a bike...look at this video - drifting (also called "backing it in"), endos (stoppies), wheelies, etc
http://www.teamxmx.com/video/teach.wmv

And to anyone who tells me that this isn't a bike chat forum...it's O-fucking-T so it's for anything from bikes to this poor excuse for an automobile. I pity anyone who pays 11k for this when they could have a brand new Ducati 1098.



1. You dont need a helmet to drive a car... but you do to race :)
2. Some people dont like to get rained/snowed on
3. Cars have AC/Radio/leather int/Tv's/etc...
4.You can carry more people in a car
5. Cars feel safer/More closed in
5. None can see what your doing in a car w/ tints
6. You always have the option of ramming someone

And the best reason....

7. Sex on the go :2f2f:

PIMP...
http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/images/stories/fortwo/89832813_1113476940.jpg
http://www.mltuning.de/photo/smart_fortwo/fortwo_s_05_klein.jpe
http://www.mltuning.de/photo/smart_fortwo/fortwo_s_06_klein.jpe
http://www.der-autoladen.de/Smart%20ForTwo%20Drift16-294.jpg

[Frosty_spl]

dude those brabus models cost like 25k.:ugh:

[Jpooks_S13]

looks like a wicked wheelie machine!

[KwKouki]

First saw them in Quebec, I will own one when they hit stateside. They are very fun to drive around town.

[irax]

it better have disc brakes all around.. none of that drums bullshit.

[Addicted2Kouki]

its an expensive go-kart.

[klohiq]

1. You dont need a helmet to drive a car... but you do to race :)
2. Some people dont like to get rained/snowed on
3. Cars have AC/Radio/leather int/Tv's/etc...
4.You can carry more people in a car
5. Cars feel safer/More closed in
5. None can see what your doing in a car w/ tints
6. You always have the option of ramming someone

And the best reason....

7. Sex on the go :2f2f:


1. You don't need a helmet on a motorcycle..but I wear mine 99% of the time. It takes two seconds to put on...hmmm about the same time as a seat belt...so not really that much of a PITA.
2. There is such thing as a jacket...it really helps with avoiding snow and rain.
3. Don't need A/C, windchill effect is more than enough with proper gear. There are bikes with radios. Who cares about a leather interior when you're driving fast???? Why are you watching TV while driving?
4. Depends what car. Mclaren F1 can carry one more person than a motorcycle while an mr2 can carry the same amount. Most track cars carry one less than a motorcycle.
5. If you're worried about safety, you shouldn't be on zilvia...you should be on the camry forums :fawkd:
6. You can lane-split (some places it's actually legal) so there is no need to ram another vehicle and mess up your own...you'll already be home drinking beer :D
7. Refer to that old ass Aerosmith video...sex on a bike is possible
8. Whether you drive a harley or a crotch rocket I'm willing to bet nearly any women finds it far more appealing than nearly any car dollar-for-dollar...so even if sex on a bike isn't possible...you will get sex at your house/apartment more often. Plus a lot of girls don't even have any idea about most cars other than they think BMWs, audis, and mercedes are nice and it shows you have money. Seriously to a lot of girls a 240sx and a sentra are nearly the same car...while most girls know a bike has two wheels and shows you obviously have some skill if your still alive after riding a few years. I've seen my buddy who doesn't have any game get laid a lot...all he does is let a girl ride on the back of his bike...5 minutes and she's amazed so the rest of the night is cake for him. Getting laid isn't everything, but it's definitely a side benefit. Plus all the massive motorcycle rallys like sturgis and laconia (which is less than an hour away).

I'm not telling everyone to go out and buy a bike. There's a lot of people on this forum that couldn't handle one. The only thing I'm saying is for the price, this thing sucks. I wouldn't drive this thing if it was free...sorry I'm not like one of the previous guys saying that you can pull up to a fancy resturant/club with an s13...but I like the styling far more and that's what's important.

I love 4 wheels, but if you actually try a motorcycle you will understand my perspective.

[TheSquidd]

I love 4 wheels, but if you actually try a motorcycle you will understand my perspective.

The absentminded perspective that somehow, you just tried to justify that a motorcycle is

A. as safe as a car
B. as convenient as a car
C. has more "sex" appeal than a car.

Sure, motorcycles are cool. They get good gas mileage, they can cut lanes, and they're fast. I know tons of motorcycle drivers, my father is one, tons of my co workers are riders. None of them would argue that a motorcycle is safer or AS safe as a car. None of them think they are convenient at all, and none of them has gotten ANY ass from being a motorcycle rider.

1. A helmet sucks to wear, I know, I've worn many at events. They suck, they suck at comfort, they suck at vision, they suck. They're to protect your head and that's it. A seat belt doesn't suck in any way IMHO. I wear a 5 point, and that is a PITA dailying, but a standard 3 point OEM belt is comfortable, and does nothing to hinder a driver in his normal duties.

2. Yes, wear a jacket in the snow and rain, that'll keep you 100% dry like a vehicle will. :loco:

3. I believe his point was that the amenities in modern cars today make for a much more enjoyable experience for both the driver and passenger vs. riding on a bike.

4. Yeah way to use a McLaren F1 and an MR2 as your basis of argument, they are SUCH common cars that EVERYONE drives.

5. I'm very much concerned for safety, and I feel I'm a pretty standard member of Zilvia. I have a bucket seat which I made sure was FIA tested and approved, I have a FIA standard 5 point camlock harness and an SCCA approved 4 point roll bar. Because I own these to protect myself in high performance driving situations, I should not be a member of Zilvia? Do people in Camry's only do this?? I don't get it.

7. Totally the last place I'd ever want to have sex is on a bike or in a car.

8. Who the fuck cares. If you ride a bike, or drive a car because you expect to get ass with it, then you have much greater problems than how many wheels your sitting on. You definitely sound like someone who has the entire female race REALLY figured out, I mean spot on. The women that sleep with you because you simply ride a motorcycle must be classy folk.

Despite all this, yeah I'd love a bike. I think they're cool city. But I would never get rid of my car, a bike simply just can't DO as much, and a car is just far easier to drive. IMHO.

FYI I love to debate.

[wootwoot]

this motorcycle bullshit is ruining the thread which is why I did not retaliate. Really, if you wanna contest this, start another thread about motorcycle vs car. We're talking about an extremely economic small car here

[ms!3]

That's retarded. An S13 would be just as destroyed, hell an SUV that hit a Semi head on would kill everyone involved.

Don't be lame.

agreed, id drive one due to gas an there kinda neat looking, dont be afraid of a semi hitting you, if thats the way its supposed to happen, itll happen, no way around it.

[klohiq]

The absentminded perspective that somehow, you just tried to justify that a motorcycle is

A. as safe as a car
B. as convenient as a car
C. has more "sex" appeal than a car.

Sure, motorcycles are cool. They get good gas mileage, they can cut lanes, and they're fast. I know tons of motorcycle drivers, my father is one, tons of my co workers are riders. None of them would argue that a motorcycle is safer or AS safe as a car. None of them think they are convenient at all, and none of them has gotten ANY ass from being a motorcycle rider.

1. A helmet sucks to wear, I know, I've worn many at events. They suck, they suck at comfort, they suck at vision, they suck. They're to protect your head and that's it. A seat belt doesn't suck in any way IMHO. I wear a 5 point, and that is a PITA dailying, but a standard 3 point OEM belt is comfortable, and does nothing to hinder a driver in his normal duties.

2. Yes, wear a jacket in the snow and rain, that'll keep you 100% dry like a vehicle will. :loco:

3. I believe his point was that the amenities in modern cars today make for a much more enjoyable experience for both the driver and passenger vs. riding on a bike.

4. Yeah way to use a McLaren F1 and an MR2 as your basis of argument, they are SUCH common cars that EVERYONE drives.

5. I'm very much concerned for safety, and I feel I'm a pretty standard member of Zilvia. I have a bucket seat which I made sure was FIA tested and approved, I have a FIA standard 5 point camlock harness and an SCCA approved 4 point roll bar. Because I own these to protect myself in high performance driving situations, I should not be a member of Zilvia? Do people in Camry's only do this?? I don't get it.

7. Totally the last place I'd ever want to have sex is on a bike or in a car.

8. Who the fuck cares. If you ride a bike, or drive a car because you expect to get ass with it, then you have much greater problems than how many wheels your sitting on. You definitely sound like someone who has the entire female race REALLY figured out, I mean spot on. The women that sleep with you because you simply ride a motorcycle must be classy folk.

Despite all this, yeah I'd love a bike. I think they're cool city. But I would never get rid of my car, a bike simply just can't DO as much, and a car is just far easier to drive. IMHO.

FYI I love to debate.

lol...I have never used a vehicle to sleep with a girl...I've been with the same girl for almost 3 years, before that I was with one for 6 months and before that almost 4 years. I'm no expert, but I'm definitely not an idiot when it comes to women or motorcycles.

If you look at the negatives you can make anything seem useless and a waste of time. And mr2s are actually quite common, if you look at production numbers they are more common than a 240sx...and it's not the only 2 seater...300zx (except for some that are 2+2), rx7 (except for some that are 2+2), fiero...many performance cars offer the same amount of seating as a motorcycle, just more storage space.

You seem like you've never ridden a motorcycle or at least never owned one so your argument means nothing...the enjoyment of a motorcycle far outweighs the negatives which is why they still exist even with these amazingly superior machines like the 240sx and the POS this thread was created about.

[klohiq]

this motorcycle bullshit is ruining the thread which is why I did not retaliate. Really, if you wanna contest this, start another thread about motorcycle vs car. We're talking about an extremely economic small car here

lol


2wheels>4wheels???

what the fuck are you talking? Motorcycles? I thought this was a car forum and the discussion was on cars. Cut the salt out and shut your face


As you put it, cut the salt out and shut your face...it's a car forum and this thread was about your thoughts on the car...my thoughts are it sucks.

If your initial response to my post was a bit more polite I may have respected your wishes.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

That's retarded. An S13 would be just as destroyed, hell an SUV that hit a Semi head on would kill everyone involved.

Don't be lame.


bah, it was an interesting picture, don't rain on my parade. :smash: :rofl:


anywho, this thread is massively off-topic. klohiq, just STFU. no one else cares if you want to daily a motorcycle. and a point for you: the motorcycle came before the car. if it really was the end all of transportation, the car would have never gotten past patent motorwagen stage. but it isn't. get over it and stop cluttering this thread.

[SimpleSexy180]

the roadster owns all of you.

[RiversideS13]

have you guys seen the video of smart vs S-class? btw, i saw a transport truck loaded with smarts on 91 freeway. i never seen so many cars on the truck lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02eghIfyHP0

[klohiq]

bah, it was an interesting picture, don't rain on my parade. :smash: :rofl:


anywho, this thread is massively off-topic. klohiq, just STFU. no one else cares if you want to daily a motorcycle. and a point for you: the motorcycle came before the car. if it really was the end all of transportation, the car would have never gotten past patent motorwagen stage. but it isn't. get over it and stop cluttering this thread.

Never said it was "the end all of transportation"...you guys need to read before you write, all I said was this particular 4 wheeled vehicle is IMO not any better than many 2 wheeled vehicles.

With your thought process a v6 is better than an i4...so everyone with a 240sx needs to swap in a v6 because an i4 is a POS and it's worthless and it's gay.

Didn't the tricycle come after the bicycle? GO RIDE A BIG WHEEL ASSHAT :keke:

What you all don't understand is I would STFU if you guys didn't
A) misinform the board
B) put words in my mouth

[iwishiwas-all*]

and I thought the 240sx was a death trap, shitttttttttt, that crashtest is insaine, any 6 ft + american would have died in it no joke, the roadster might be better since it has a longer hood better to displace crash forces.

[TheSquidd]

and I thought the 240sx was a death trap, shitttttttttt, that crashtest is insaine, any 6 ft + american would have died in it no joke, the roadster might be better since it has a longer hood better to displace crash forces.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if a passenger would survive that crash. The cabin remained intact.

[Gepeto]

My review of a smart cabrio:

Interior: Seats are kind of nice. Rest is OMG SUX. Dash is OMG SUX. There is NOTHING displayed, you have to cycle through **** to see ****.

Taking off:
The automatic manual transmission ****ing blows.
There is no clutch pedal for take off, so the car manages declutching itself, and if you dont take off super fast, it ****ing vibrates cause the engine gets so ooo very close to stalling.... with a take off pedal it would be much smoother.

Shifting: I used it in semi auto mode which isn't bad, cause there is a clutch, it's not the feeling of no-control that shiftronics have. In auto mode, it's ok, but it feels weird when it shifts from 1st to 2nd, cause the car slows down a bit (the shift is rather slow)

Acceleration: 0-60 was better than expected. 90 to 120 takes absolutely forever.

Handling: Bumpy ride. Almost as bumpy as my 240 with the koni shocks. Handling is absolutely terrible. Carrying a coffee in Montreal proved to be a ****ing impossible mission.

Driveability: On University(pretty steep hill road in Montreal), it ****ing sucked to take off, because the hill is steep and the auto declutch thing sucks. You have to smash the gas else it just slips the clutch. The auto declutch doesnt work well in Reverse, you have to give it a lot of gas on a small hill else it starts moving forward...

Automatic roof: That is pretty sweet. one button and it goes down, push it in the trunk and bam, gayest car on earth.


Bottom end: I'll take a yaris at 7l/100km way before a Smart at 3l/100km. The seats in the smart are better. Everything else blows. However, I got more attention in there than I would in a pink lamborghini. Driving it is ok on the highway, but in the city, it blows because it's not smooth shifting, it bounces everywhere, and accelerating is a pain in the ***.

[wootwoot]

its an expensive go-kart.


you got me thinking about this....most race karts are more expensive then that damn thing ya know!!!

and regarding the crash test..I was also impressed. The cabin held up very well

nice to see a constructive review of the car as well!

[ThatGuy]

My review of a smart cabrio:

Blah Blah Blah *********** Blah Blah Blah


Either substitute intelligent words into your post, or use the actual curses. Your post is annoying as shit to try and read with all the damn *** all over the place.

[wootwoot]

Yeah this is Zilvia dangit, you can say whatever you want as long as it is not offensive to a minority or race. I'd love to give examples ala Lenny Bruce but that might land me in the shit.

[Gepeto]

Actually I copy pasted from a censored forum. The original version had real curse words. The car is a piece of shit.

[mdigiamm]

if u drive that your an asshole

[OperationSr20]

Funny thing. I was going to ask if that was the WII Car, from the WII Commercials. Just to verify I went to google and typed in WII Car and this was actually one of the cars that popped up on the first page haha... The Roadsters for some reason made me think RX8...

[Gepeto]

if u drive that your an asshole
Company car heh.

Uses about 35l of gas (that is less than 10 gallons for you imperial guys) for a Montreal-Toronto roundtrip (1100km/660miles), so even though I really don't like the way it drives, I can accept that a company wants one, especially since it's a good platform for advertising.

[theicecreamdan]

Wtf who CARES what you drive up to a restaurant in?? Are you that vain that you think people actually care what you look like?



Are you so naive that you think they don't? The key to pulling it off is not caring what they think.

Car vs motorcycle isn't a debate... nobody is saying that any car is better than any motorcycle. Bikes are cheaper because they cost less to build. People buy fucking cobalts and sentras for more than a good bike costs. But they do it.

This car is not built for performance. Its built to carry a couple of people around town with a little bit of cargo. and do it cheaply, easily and relatively safely. A car's size does not make it safe or dangerous. Your own brain is your primary safety device. If you get hit head on by a semi, then it is PROBABLY your fucking fault. So if the fact that a semi creamed a smart head on is your reason to not buy the car... then you suck. Just don't hit semi trucks head on and you probably won't die.

I'd say a large minority of people (maybe 49%?) are intelligent enough to keep their own asses out of the way of some of the retards we allow on the streets in SUVs. If you're one of those people, then buy whatever car you like and suits your needs. If you can't, then buy your SUVs and Volvos and stop trying to convince the rest of us that X car or any motorcycle in the world is a deathtrap.

[klohiq]

The key to pulling it off is not caring what they think.


i think the real question now is...are you apathetic enough to roll up in this thing??

http://tanetane92.web.infoseek.co.jp/052561.jpg

[Dopefish]

I hate the Fortwo but the Roadster is pretty sweet, somewhere in between a Mazda RX-8, a Lotus Elise and a MicroMachine, with a motor swap it could rock my world.

_Kris

[klohiq]

I would be more interested in a car about this size. I believe the wheelbase is slightly shorter than the 240, but not by a massive amount. The interior looks like shit though, way too futuristic. Kinda like the 350z interior...

http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/603/603623/nissan-sport-concept-20050412113009733.jpg

I guess someone may find a car that small useful, but I drive on the highway a lot so it makes no point to use something that probly tops out at 60mph :keke:

[RoyalFlush]

klohiq...shut up.

[Baka Sama]

I would be more interested in a car about this size. I believe the wheelbase is slightly shorter than the 240, but not by a massive amount. The interior looks like shit though, way too futuristic. Kinda like the 350z interior...

Insert Concept Car Here

I guess someone may find a car that small useful, but I drive on the highway a lot so it makes no point to use something that probly tops out at 60mph :keke:

Smart tops out at 90mph which is good for Highway and city driving. Yeah that concept car is nice but thats about it. Im so sick of these car companies that make such nice concepts just to do nothing with them! Mazda and Nissan are big on that. "Oh this concept will have design elements that we will emulate into up and coming cars.. blah blah blah" STFU and make the damn car already!! Also I embrace the futuristic stlying of cars. Leave that plastic mid/late 90's garbage to the 30+ crowd. Bring on the future!!

[wootwoot]

"In the automotive world you're either growin or your dyin there aint no third direction"

[ALTRNTV]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s

[theicecreamdan]

i think the real question now is...are you apathetic enough to roll up in this thing??

http://tanetane92.web.infoseek.co.jp/052561.jpg


I'd rock that car harder than I rock your mom's world.

[WILDACEX187]

was driving my mom home from work today and showed her one at a dealer by my house. she laughed all the way home lol :D

[klohiq]

Smart tops out at 90mph which is good for Highway and city driving. Yeah that concept car is nice but thats about it. Im so sick of these car companies that make such nice concepts just to do nothing with them! Mazda and Nissan are big on that. "Oh this concept will have design elements that we will emulate into up and coming cars.. blah blah blah" STFU and make the damn car already!! Also I embrace the futuristic stlying of cars. Leave that plastic mid/late 90's garbage to the 30+ crowd. Bring on the future!!

I was a little blunt...the car can make it up to 90 and I have little doubt about that. What I do doubt is that it comfortably drives anywhere near that speed. I imagine the car gets blown all over the road by semis and crosswinds.

Nissan and Mazda both have came through with some of their nicer concepts, most notably the 350z and RX8 respectively. Though I do agree they hype quite a few concepts, yet they never make it into production.

[iampachino]

So what company is going to produce these cars. I think The rodster or coupe would be a great daily driver.

Aaron

[Rennen]

I was a little blunt...the car can make it up to 90 and I have little doubt about that. What I do doubt is that it comfortably drives anywhere near that speed. I imagine the car gets blown all over the road by semis and crosswinds.

I have driven a SMART Roadster in Germany, toped out in 6th gear for most of the trip (109mph), it was incredibly smooth but a little loud. It had excellent dynamics at any speed. the thing was a blast to drive, and if they ever offered it with a real transmission stateside, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

I also drove it here: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=60933 SMART review at bottom

My foggy memory review of it is:

Pros:
-I fit in it! All 6'4" 240lbs of me fit inside the car with top up, and I could see traffic signals. suck it miatae!
-very light and nimble, it had go-kart reflexes, but without the steering ever getting light
-3 cyl turbo motor made all the right noises to make the drive more fun. While it will never be mistaken for being fast, it seems quick and involved when flogging it around town. + points for cool BOV noises.
-Great Headlights. Has Hella 90mm conversion lights seen on various 240s. They kept up with the car maxed out on the Autobahn.
-Unique profile: You won't get lost in a sea of camrys at your local grocery store.


Cons:
-Transmission: jerky clutchless manumatic. You had to anticipate the lethargic shifting, and lift for upshifts, and blip for downshifts. It also refused to hold a gear mid corner on the Ring. Also, diving into corners and firing off a few downshifts was often rewarded with bogging on entry, and an untimely downshift causing oversteer on the exit.
-Transmission: I hated it in general, it really ruined the spirit of the whole car, and was the only thing that killed the fun.
-Transmission: you get the point
-Key location: next to the flappy stick gearbox on the floor, and apparently if you don't remove it correctly it will lock up the starter. I mistook this for a dead battery and practiced the phrase "Haben Sie Starten Kablen? Mein Battery ist Kaput."

Summary:

Like a 1st gen MR2... with a warranty. If they made it with a real transmission, it'd be fun to flog everyday on my way to work within the realms of speed limits and without breaking the bank on gas. I'd think hard about getting one if they sold it here.

-Matt

[AFSil80]

These things were all OVER England. I saw one at RAF Mildenhall that had every body panel painted a different color of the rainbow. I can't see this car being taken seriously in the states.

[irax]

Cons:
-Transmission: jerky clutchless manumatic. You had to anticipate the lethargic shifting, and lift for upshifts, and blip for downshifts. It also refused to hold a gear mid corner on the Ring. Also, diving into corners and firing off a few downshifts was often rewarded with bogging on entry, and an untimely downshift causing oversteer on the exit.
-Transmission: I hated it in general, it really ruined the spirit of the whole car, and was the only thing that killed the fun.


sounds to me like its a motorcycle engine and transmission.

[Yuri]

In regards to pulling up front of nice restaurants.
I think most people would be impressed in the LA area. Just because a Smart would be trendy and chic.

The Smart seems like a really good idea for a second car for a lot of people.
I see nothing wrong with Mercedes relability and build quality, 40mpg, and brisk performance in a $12-$15k car with a warranty.
You have to be insane if you didn't want something with these characteristics to supplement your beat-down 18-9-year old S-chassis.

It's biggest obstacle is ignorant people who can't open their mind to anything that doesn't fit their archaic notions of what consitutes a "real" car.

The only reason I probably won't get one is that I already own 3 cars.
Otherwise, I would have put down the $99 for a reservation spot on www.smartusa.com for a red and black Passion coupe.

[TheSquidd]

It's biggest obstacle is ignorant people who can't open their mind to anything that doesn't fit their archaic notions of what consitutes a "real" car.



But MAI SUV CAN RUNS OVER IT YAR HAR HAR! AND I LUK COOLZ RULLING UP TO DA CLUBZ!

:loco: