Gumball 2003 Preperations

[SR20Fastback]

Well after weeks days (maybe a week) of planning, my friend Andrew and I have decided to participate in the gumball next year from San Fransisco to Miami. We're still trying to get ahold of a few people from last years event to find out where to register, because I think the registration is in August. So now you know whats going on, but we're still trying to plan out all the preperations for the car, and ourselves for that matter.

We still need many sponsors! Anyone is welcome to send me an email if you're intrested [email protected] Donations are welcome too &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Well theres gonna be a lot of questions coming from me lately. As of now I've been making up a list of things we will need for the trip. I need some advice on some products to buy for the car so far the list of stuff I havent decided what company I want are:

Intake Filter
Boost Controller
Turbo Timer
Clutch
Injectors
Fuel Rail
Fuel Pump
Fuel Pressure Regulator
TURBO UPGRADE (very important)
Intercooler (I sorta have this narrowed, i really want the HKS Type R for the S14 but I dont think it fits the S13)
Radiator
LSD

Im still open for suggestions for other stuff I didnt list. Thats not the entire list, but the stuff I didnt mention I already have narrowed down.

Also does anyone know if the ECU from the SR20DET has a speed limiter as well? Just need to know so Im not stuck at 115 the whole way &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>


Well all questions/comments/suggestions are welcome. Thanks for the help.

[onebadm5]

one thing: RELIABILITY. however you build your car, keep in mind that being conservative could save your ass. 3000 miles in 5 days is gonna put a lot of stress on a powertrain, let alone a heavily modified. one thing i learned from listening to dado is speed and reliability go hand in hand. think about it. If you blow a boost fitting in kansas cause u decided to run .1 bar more psi, you'll be kicking yourself.

oh yeah, i wouldnt go alone. get together with some other guys, cause there is safety in numbers.


definitely buy a V1 if you already havent. also consider investing in a police scanner.

good luck raising the 9 grand or so. kick some ass! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[SR20Fastback]

haha thanks, yeah me and Andrew already plan on buying the Uniden BCT12 scanner it looks like a detector. Also a Valentine detector. So you talked to dado too? I sent him an email, trying to find out where the registration is at, but still no response in 3 days. Oh well thanks for the help.


EDIT: anyone know of a good kit (I was thinking cwest) to hopefully keep me on the ground at those high speeds...? OR anything else for that matter that would help stabalize the car at such high speeds?

[silviasichigo]

JUst to answer your question the Stock SR ECU has a speed limiter. 190 Kph. You should get an apex Power Fc it has no limiter and well almost has no limits. If you can't get your hands on one I will get you one with the commander for about $700. Have fun but becareful. I need to sell thoes windows. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[SR20Fastback]

Alright thanks for the advice man. Since I would probably be getting a Jim Wolf, would it eliminate the speed limiter? I thought I read that. Oh, I'll get the money to you on the 11th of August (when I get paid &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>) I can pay pal it or somethin or just plain mail it whatever you prefer?

[240 2NR]

Just don't forget to remove your rear view mirror.

It's the first rule of Italian driving- "What is behind you, doesn't matter"

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240 2NR @ July 26 2002,09:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just don't forget to remove your review mirror.

It's the first rule of Italian driving- "What is behind you, doesn't matter"</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
HAHAHA! &nbsp;Yeah Steve! &nbsp;

Make SURE you've watched that movie (the Gumball Rally) before you go on the rally...it would be wrong not to!

Eric

[Natty]

Good luck raising the registration fees.
For each sponsor sticker on your car, I do believe you have to pay a huge amount to the gumball people. Not to mention money for bribes, no joke. You will need it or face geting your liscense jacked.

As for the car, redo the cooling system. You are going to be going very fast for very long periods of time. The fuel tank should be good. A taller 5th gear might me nice, if they make one. I am not saying it can't be done, but I would be slow to do this in a 4 cylinder. You're going to need an engine designed for high speed crusing. That is why you see alot of german cars. Running a 4 cylinder to it's limits with a turbo would not be the best idea.
Good luck &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> Make us proud &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
Jeff

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Natty @ July 26 2002,08:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Good luck raising the registration fees.
For each sponsor sticker on your car, I do believe you have to pay a huge amount to the gumball people. Not to mention money for bribes, no joke. You will need it or face geting your liscense jacked.

As for the car, redo the cooling system. You are going to be going very fast for very long periods of time. The fuel tank should be good. A taller 5th gear might me nice, if they make one. I am not saying it can't be done, but I would be slow to do this in a 4 cylinder. You're going to need an engine designed for high speed crusing. That is why you see alot of german cars. Running a 4 cylinder to it's limits with a turbo would not be the best idea.
Good luck <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> Make us proud <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
Jeff</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Alright, sounds good. I didnt know you had to pay more for each sticker you had though? That blows, Oh well I just need microsoft to sponsor me then <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> Do you think it would be smarter to run the race in my friends 85 300zx Turbo? I've been sorta debating that too. I've also looked into transmissons made by HKS. There is a nice 6spd for the RPS13...but then again its $9,800 Hmm anyone wanan donate so I dont have to pay for stickers?? Haha Well thanks for the advice, please keep it coming, after all this is gonna be my hard earned money spent <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[pornallstar]

I feel your pain. &nbsp;My dad and I are planning on going in his 911. &nbsp;But he locked up the engine. &nbsp;So we now have to find a replacement and break it in for the "Race". &nbsp;My dad set up a few sponsers for us. &nbsp;They are all local though. &nbsp;Bernicks Pepsi And Coburns. &nbsp;But we are still looking for major ones also. &nbsp;Hope to see you there!!

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (pornallstar @ July 26 2002,2:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I feel your pain. My dad and I are planning on going in his 911. But he locked up the engine. So we now have to find a replacement and break it in for the "Race". My dad set up a few sponsers for us. They are all local though. Bernicks Pepsi And Coburns. But we are still looking for major ones also. Hope to see you there!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Wow, you got pepsi to sponsor?? Thats really great, I gotta find some sponsors period. How much are they donating, or are they doing other services? Hope you get that car fixed or replaced soon. Registration isnt for a while I guess, I heard wrong about August being the deadline.

[pornallstar]

Yeah it is the distributor for Central MN. &nbsp;My dad was telling me that we have a total for $15,000 in cash and merchendice sp? from sponsers as of last week. &nbsp; I will have to talk to him about it when he gets back in the middle of next month from Germany about it though.

[SR20Fastback]

Oh right on. I really need some ideas for sponsors. I want big name sponsors so i have less stickers and pay less to enter, but I dont think microsoft would realisticly sponsor 2 poors kids from a suburb of Seattle. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;I guess I can start goin door to door. I was also thinking maybe Zilvia.net could sponsor us? I would be proud to where that sticker, and then members could donate to a fund or something? Hmm West, what do you think?? Haha just a suggestion. I need a good paying job badly &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[PSI240SX]

Please tell me you already know the registration/entry fee is just over $7,000.00

I have a rich friend with a bad ass car but I cant come up with my half of the $7,000 entry fee plus all the money I will need for bail/tickets. People have been arrested 7-10 times during one rally. Not to mention the wear and tear on your car. Let me just say that judging by the posts on other forums about last years event, you will not keep up with them at all. A guy in an Aston Martin V8Vantage siad that he was averaging 160mph. He said he past a Lambo at 210 at one point. Not trying to rain on your parade just letting you know all the facts. It would be the greatest thing I would ever do in my life and I would do it in a heartbeat in a car that could top some of those speeds. And provided I had the cash as well. If you go to www.bmwm5.com they have a gumball forum, read some of the stories, you'll see what I mean. Good Luck!

[SR20Fastback]

Yeah Jay, I know how much the entrance fee is $8,700. We've been planning on making the car able to do speeds in excess of 160 mph though. There is a 6spd transmission (not S15) that hks makes, really short gearing with a long final drive... That'll help along with the like 80 item list of stuff we're getting for the car. My friend Andrew who Im doin the event with, him and his dad are starting a buisness, so a lot of that stuff we would get for wholesale. I think even if I couldnt keep up, it would still be a lot of fun. Im just hopin the car will stay on the ground at that speed. Im sitll trying to come up with some sponsors. No one answered my question if they thought it would be better to do it in an 85 300zx turbo?

[SR20Fastback]

Comon kids, you have to have some thoughts or recomendations on something to keep me on the ground at 160 mph? Or some good deals on some of the things I need?

[240 2NR]

Well none of us really spend that much time at those speeds to require that type of research. &nbsp;Before you go adding wings, and body kits, etc, look into doing some searching yourself on under car ground effects to reduce lift. &nbsp;I understand the basics, but I don't have near the knowledge nessasary to prescribe a method for you to take and guarantee that at 160+ you will remain stable. &nbsp;I really doubt any of us do.

Personally, I'm hoping your friend and his dad know more about this than you appear to, as the speeds you are talking about are lethal to you and others you share the road with, and I get the feeling you have NO track experience at all. &nbsp;Driving at fast STREET SPEEDS, is nothing at all like DRIVING AT THE LIMITS of your car. &nbsp;Spinning out at 30mph in the rain is one thing when you screw up. &nbsp;You figure out what you did wrong, and try not to do it again, and hope the curb didn't screw up your wheels too badly. &nbsp;A spin at 160mph+ and you won't have the chance to learn from you mistakes unless you believe in an afterlife. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

[uiuc240]

I 2nd what Steve (240 2NR) said. &nbsp;Something else to remember is that the 240 was NEVER engineered as a top speed car. &nbsp;And you need big speed to be able to AVERAGE 150+ on this trip. &nbsp;When I drive to Chicago, I can usually only average about 70-75, and that's with a significant amount of time spent going 90-100. &nbsp;Construction slows you down a LOT. &nbsp;You need to be able to go close to 200 (180+) to be able to hang with these guys. &nbsp;Buying an expensive 6 speed isn't the answer. &nbsp;Spend your money on high horsepower and a new set of rear gears. &nbsp;Get a really low ratio...like 3.3:1 or something. &nbsp;Test this setup out on GT3 first to get some idea of your top speed.

But honestly, I say quit dumping money in the 240...get your hands on a Skyline or something equivalent. &nbsp;At least with that you'll have some chance of hanging with the pack. &nbsp;

240s are cool...but they don't have shit on an Aston Martin or a Lamborghini or a 911 Turbo or a Ferrari 360. &nbsp;There is a reason those cars cost 10 times as much, and there is a reason they win events like this.

Eric

[SR20Fastback]

Thanks for the advice eric. Im starting to take that into consideration. Maybe I should have all the sponsors donate like 110 grand &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> Then it would be R34 time &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[240 2NR]

I still hold a greater desire for an R32, not sure why, I just think the styling was the most aggresive. &nbsp;

hell, if you have people throwing $110k at you get a Mclaren F1 and seal the deal.

[SR20Fastback]

F1's are more than 110 grand though &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> damn I need microsoft to sponsor me

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240 2NR @ July 30 2002,2:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I still hold a greater desire for an R32, not sure why, I just think the styling was the most aggresive.

hell, if you have people throwing $110k at you get a Mclaren F1 and seal the deal.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the Bugatti Veyron 16/4 smashes the McLaren.

1001 hp

top speed 254 &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

Eric

[240 2NR]

I thought you were saying each sponsor was chipping in the $110k, so all you'd need is 9 sponsors. &nbsp;

It's not very realistic anyway. &nbsp;I'm still unclear why someone would want to sponsor an illegal event that isn't televised and gets very little press, and basically targets a select few people who see the cars sitting still.

[SR20Fastback]

If I got 110 grand from each sponsor....ugghh id be in heaven. I think there is some good publicity from what I ready about last years event. But I bet with a few sponsors I could afford another car that would be somewhat realistic running in the even... M3?? Gotta get more sponsors.

[240 2NR]

I didn't know the Bugatti was even available yet? &nbsp;I only heard a little tidbit about it and assumed it would never be made. &nbsp;

Maybe you should just get an Escudo. &nbsp;They whoop ass in GT2/3.

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240 2NR @ July 30 2002,2:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I didn't know the Bugatti was even available yet? I only heard a little tidbit about it and assumed it would never be made.

Maybe you should just get an Escudo. They whoop ass in GT2/3.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
well, i've read that it'll be a 2003 model. &nbsp;but then i also read that the new management at VW is killing off things like that (since they own Bugatti now). &nbsp;so i don't think it's gonna happen. &nbsp;but still....what a car, eh?

Eric

[SR20Fastback]

Well those cars are sorta unrealistic for me, but I figure with the right sponsors, maybe I could buy something more affordable?

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ July 30 2002,3:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well those cars are sorta unrealistic for me, but I figure with the right sponsors, maybe I could buy something more affordable?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
to me, the idea of "affordable" and "Gumball Rally" don't go together at all. &nbsp;it's about big money and going insanely fast. &nbsp;and not caring if you get caught. &nbsp;sorta like in James Bond's The World is Not Enough when the chick says "What is living, if you can't really feel alive?" &nbsp;then she drops a mil on one hand of cards. &nbsp;That's Gumball.

Why not do the Car and Driver One Lap of America?click here (http://www.onelapofamerica.com/) &nbsp;
Or the $2003 Grassroots Challenge? &nbsp;click here (http://www.grmotorsports.com/challenge.html)

I think you would have much more fun in something like this. &nbsp;The people that do the gumball LAUGH at getting hauled off to jail for going 150 in a 55. &nbsp;Is that you? &nbsp;Do you have a spare $20k for arrests and tickets? &nbsp;Do you really think this is a wise decision?

Eric

[SR20Fastback]

yeah eric you're right. We had talked about this nevada race too next summer. Its perfectly legal, but I guess it should still be fun. 100 mile race with diff classes. I could just be that sleeper mofo in the back. gotta paint the front mount black I guess...

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ July 30 2002,4:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah eric you're right. We had talked about this nevada race too next summer. Its perfectly legal, but I guess it should still be fun. 100 mile race with diff classes. I could just be that sleeper mofo in the back. gotta paint the front mount black I guess...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
of course i'm right &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

but seriously, do what you want. &nbsp;i just wanted to hand you a reality check.

oh, BTW...love that avatar. &nbsp;the part of the video with the drifting front-end loader (or whatever it was) is the best part.

Eric

[Tuck&Poke]

theres a few things you can do for downforce. &nbsp;a front adjustable spoiler is always a good thing. &nbsp;they look pretty simple. &nbsp;a rear diffuser to accelarate the air coming out of the car is also going to give you some good downforce. &nbsp;where youre gonna find one of those is beyond me. &nbsp;a gt wing will help if you get one that was actually like...windtunnel tested and crap. &nbsp;other than that i really dont know what else you could do to the car to give you downforce. &nbsp;btw why the f!@#$ is it so expensive to register? &nbsp;is it to keep out the little guys?