Holden Commodore = Pontiac G8

[exitspeed]

Don't know if you heard, but the new Holden Commadore is coming here as the new G8. Yea we all know the GTO was a commercial failure (mostly cuase they called it a GTO), but it was a pretty BA car. My dad recently retired from GM after 26 years and still gets his discount. This may end up being my DD in a year or so. I really like it. And before you wonder if it's any good. It just won COTY in Australia.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/exitspeed/4-2006-2007-holden-ve-commodore.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/exitspeed/8-2006-2007-holden-ve-commodore.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/exitspeed/43-2006-2007-holden-ve-commodore.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/exitspeed/57-2006-2007-holden-ve-commodore.jpg

[CylonFrakker]

looks hot! I like it

[sean350z]

It looks like it weighs 4000lbs and it's a Pontiac....It's probably a good daily driver if you have to drive less than 20 miles a day, I'm sure it's gas mileage will suck. But if you are getting a good deal on a new car, righty oh mate.

[cdlong]

them aussies love their RWD v8 sedans. looks like a nice car. i would go for a smaller v6 version, like a g35 sedan with more sport and less luxury.

[exitspeed]

It looks like it weighs 4000lbs and it's a Pontiac....

It does weigh alot, but they said they plan to loose some weight for the US version. And it's a Holden badged as a Pontiac. There's a difference.

them aussies love their RWD v8 sedans. looks like a nice car. i would go for a smaller v6 version, like a g35 sedan with more sport and less luxury.

I priced out a G35x and that bitch was $40,000+. This'll probably max out at $35,000. Plus a few grand off from my dads discount and it's a good deal.

But you're right, I'd much rather have a G35 Sedan for a DD.

[staygold24]

I like those a lot but how much they weigh and handle on the test drive would determine it for me. Do they have the ls1 in them as well?

OT: does anyone know what cars they use in the australian supercar races? It says ford but tail lights look unfamiliar.

[180sExy]

wow thats hot!

[exitspeed]

^
More info here. Looks like it'll cost more then I thought. Oh well it was a thought.

http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HTML/holden_commodore_ssv_ve.html

[Frosty_spl]

The car will be revealed next month at either the NY auto show or Chicago auto show. (I forget which one)

The front of the car was shown on some ABC news program. It looks better than the orange holden in the pics above!!!

My old bosses GTO got 25mpg, so maybe this one won't be so horrible.

[bamaboy]

I don't think I like it...... doesn't do it for me

[SimpleS14]

I was going to make a post about this...but didn't think anyone would be interested.

I personally like the car and I hope it will be a success here in the states.

This video clip gives a sneak peek: http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2832510

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/1-g8-preview.jpg
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/3-g8-preview.jpg

Those wheels and front brakes look HAWT!!

[EAGLE 5]

I'm getting one of these new "Grand Prixes"when they come out :)

I've always been a fan of Holden cars now that we're getting them I'm going to jump on it.

[20 til 3]

haha, they'll be drifting before we know it on team red bull

[Unholy S14]

will it be that body ?

because that version just came out there.

[Frosty_spl]

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/1-g8-preview.jpg
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/3-g8-preview.jpg

HOT!

[cdlong]

IOT: does anyone know what cars they use in the australian supercar races? It says ford but tail lights look unfamiliar.

ford falcon among others i think. another car they should bring here. it may end the trend of ford suckiness.

[lucky7]

i am not at all a GM fan, but i kinda like this. the interior is baller. i would love it if ford brought over an FPV or 2. or even the euro focus. anything would help their sales more than what they are doing now. they even had a big badass concept sedan at the auto show. rwd, 427 powered, manual trans, rwd. it was sweet.

anyhow, back to the G8. btw, i hate the names. g6, g8... too european sounding. corny IMO.

[Unholy S14]

well its kinda funny how you say you aint a GM fan but like this. And thats fine.

its an australian car, big difference from GMs US market.

[lucky7]

there is a big difference in almost everything, i realize that. but it is still 'GM'. personally, i loved the GTO. i thought it was a great car. sad to see its run so short. but for some reason, ive always prefered ford over the general.

check out these 'fords':
http://www.fpv.com.au/index.aspx

[Unholy S14]

Ford is planning on bringing their european cars here and honestly i dont know what took them this long

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Ford/Mondeo/sedan/Official2/Bond_Mondeo_4_small.jpg

[bryce with a y]

i can dig it.

[exitspeed]

will it be that body ?

because that version just came out there.

Yes it will be that body. Since they are planning on doing very little changes GM said they can bring this car here right away. I'd expect to see'em on sale no later then September.

[Unholy S14]

last i heard we are getting the VE commodore, thats the VH.

[Unholy S14]

anyways if we get a 5 speed with the LSX I would buy it.

[exitspeed]

last i heard we are getting the VE commodore, thats the VH.

Uhhh, the VH was made October 5, 1981–February 1984....:ugh:

We are getting the current gen which is the VE. The info i read said we will get a 326hp version. Which will probably be called a G8 GTP going with their current nomenclature.

[Unholy S14]

haha my bad.

isnt this car also called chevy lumina ? in other parts of the world.

[exitspeed]

haha my bad.

isnt this car also called chevy lumina ? in other parts of the world.

Yep it sure is. I believe it's in China. Thing sells like hot cakes everywhere it;s sold. I expect no less here.

[BC240]

That thing looks huge, especially lengthwise. Ive always liked Pontiacs, recently they have kinda gone to shit but so have all domestics. I work for Ford and all our cars are fugly IMO even the Mustang. Anyways personally id spend the extra $$ and get the G35, but im in love with those cars

[exitspeed]

That thing looks huge, especially lengthwise. Ive always liked Pontiacs, recently they have kinda gone to shit but so have all domestics.

I think GM is headed int he right direction now. They are axing all the FWD models in the Pontiac line-up and replacing them with RWD cars. The next G6 will be RWD and the replacement for the G5 (Sunfire) will also be RWD. Theya re also planning on adding a coupe version of the Solstice. This will finally make Pontiac the sprty division it was meant to be.

A Solstice coupe would be so drop dead gorgous.

[axiomatik]

awesome, it's nice to see one of the domestics getting their act together.

[S13 Charlie]

ford falcon among others i think. another car they should bring here. it may end the trend of ford suckiness.

Yeah, they use Ford Falcons, Holden HSV's (i think) as well as some other international brands. Their V8 Supercar series is so sweet, it's like NASCAR but with road courses and Fuel Injection!

slightly off-topic but you reminded me about it - The Ford Falcon XR-6 is/was an awesome car. Twin-turbo straight six (sound familiar) putting out over 300 hp! THE reason we'd never see those cars from ford here is the mustang, they wouldn't ever want to cut into the sales of their halo car.

I used to work with a bunch of Aussie's, which is where I heard about all the great FR cars they have there.

[wootwoot]

I just want Ford to bring diesels over here. I want a focus with a turbo diesel damnit!

[theicecreamdan]

I like those a lot but how much they weigh and handle on the test drive would determine it for me. Do they have the ls1 in them as well?

OT: does anyone know what cars they use in the australian supercar races? It says ford but tail lights look unfamiliar.

They won't have the LS1. They get the LS2.

[Frosty_spl]

Shots have been leaked!!! Looks pretty good, 7.5 out of 10.
http://jalopnik.com/cars/chicago-auto-show/oh-noes-gm--did-the-pontiac-g8-just-leak-234106.php

[SimpleS14]

Those pics spread like wildfire: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/02/05/aw-snap-pontiac-g8-revealed-by-chicago-auto-show-webcams/

They really don't need the hood scoops and those taillights...other than that...its a good car.

[cdlong]

THE reason we'd never see those cars from ford here is the mustang, they wouldn't ever want to cut into the sales of their halo car.

i really hope ford doesn't think of the mustang as their halo car. it's far from it. no halo car should be an option for college students in any trim level. maybe that's why they're in trouble, their concept of what a good car is is skewed. they need a real halo car and just consider the mustang as the blue collar sports car that it is, like the 350z.

[exitspeed]

I really like it. I'm curious to see the sticker price.

[SimpleS14]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/06/2008-pontiac-g8/

[ASIA]

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/2-leak-2008-pontiac-g8.jpg

Wow, leave it to GM to butcher this car. Hoods scoops, grille, ricer taillights = FAIL. They shoulda kept it the same.

[cdlong]

it's almost identical. i think the changes make it look better. i actually like it, if it wasn't such a pig and the v6 was avaliable with a manual, i would consider it if shopping for a new car.

[1Via!]

I want them to bring the Ute over.
'Twould be badass.

http://www.capa.com.au/pics/photos_drift_ute_1024.jpg

[exitspeed]

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/2-leak-2008-pontiac-g8.jpg

Wow, leave it to GM to butcher this car. Hoods scoops, grille, ricer taillights = FAIL. They shoulda kept it the same.

I agree the front is not as nice anymore. But the tails are the same tails as the Aussie version.

[two240s]

digging up an old thread here....but I thought it was interesting. Motor Trend said they would compare this car to the last generation M5. I think that says alot .....could be a very interesting.

[exitspeed]

This car should not be underestimated. I stated earlier in the thread that it just won Aussie's car of the year award. No matter what that isn't givin based on power alone.

[infinitexsound]

nice car, i dont think i would buy one tho, honestly i still prefer the cadillac..

[theicecreamdan]

As long as we have somebody importing the ADM front bumpers over. Shit's hot

[exitspeed]

As long as we have somebody importing the ADM front bumpers over. Shit's hot

Yea that would rock. Muscle car front end conversion. :bigok:

[S13Eye]

The Ford picture someone posted is completely irrelevant. I would just like to give my .02 here because i truly believe Ford should be out of business. The picture is of a euro Focus built on the C1 platform. Its actually a Volvo S40 (P11), and it has a Volvo I-5 motor B5244S4 which they bastardized with a Duratec badge. Regardless, the car is garbage. I own one of the first S40s to hit our shores and its a really unpleasant car to drive and it breaks a lot. I would stay away from Ford, Mazda, and Volvo altogether. The C1 platform is either FWD or AWD, making the picture irrelevant.

[chmercer]

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[illvialuver]

looks cool i dont know why the gto was a failure it looks nicer than any of the cameros produced over the past 20 years.

and that new comador, looks liek a short stout, ass kicker, like it reminds me of the charger but shorter.

[exitspeed]

Check out this new commercial for the G8. Even if you don't like the car (which I don't know why our community wouldn't) the commercial is rad as hell!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/14/video-pontiac-g8-invades-spy-hunter-circa-1983/

[Dutchmalmiss]

Check out this new commercial for the G8. Even if you don't like the car (which I don't know why our community wouldn't) the commercial is rad as hell!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/14/video-pontiac-g8-invades-spy-hunter-circa-1983/

I love the car. I'd rock it over an M5 only because I could afford it haha.

[IIIXziuR]

The G8 is hot, I loved it last year at the NY Autoshow.
Mel you still gonna get this baby>?

USA needs Ford Falcons

[exitspeed]

I love the car. I'd rock it over an M5 only because I could afford it haha.

Shit for $32k you get a fully loaded 362hp GT. I love this car. But I doubt I'll be getting one.

[SiI40sx]

You can get the bumpers imported..... :love:

[exitspeed]

^
Uou'd need the Holden hood too.

[WilloW]

Looks much better than some of the crap they've been pushing. I wouldn't mind driving one, + for you.

[shade]

The first two pictures kind of make it look like the new EVO. It looks likes a less aggressive looking version of it from afar. I'm glad theres even more competition now, meaning more selection. Love it.

[exitspeed]

Holden is talking about releasing as uber version of the Commodore with the ZR1 engine in Australia. I can GUARANTEE we won't get that version, but that means that the engine fits. I know if I had that kinda dough I'd be keeping my eyes open for the first crashed ZR1 next year.

[SW20Racer]

cool car, but i wonder what a two door would look like? someone pm me a photochop! please...

[exitspeed]

I want them to bring the Ute over.
'Twould be badass.

http://www.capa.com.au/pics/photos_drift_ute_1024.jpg

Lutz recently stated they are brining that over here. But whether or not it's going to be a version of the G8 or another car is still up in the air.

[alindeman1989]

i love the look of it. everything but the wing.

[silviaguy240]

Lutz recently stated they are brining that over here. But whether or not it's going to be a version of the G8 or another car is still up in the air.

that and a possible magnum-esque sport wagon too.

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/autoliar/g8wagon.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9840/copyof600xvewagonwg3bf6.jpg
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/10/holden_sportwagon.jpg

more pics http://jalopnik.com/cars/australian-international-auto-show/holden-reveals-ve-commodore-sportwagon-309602.php

[SiI40sx]

Lutz recently stated they are brining that over here. But whether or not it's going to be a version of the G8 or another car is still up in the air.

Ive actually seen that car TWICE in Los Angeles, once on the 10east near San Gabriel and again at irwindale like 2 weeks ago. Isnt it a GTO truck???

[S14DB]

I'd so do a ADM conversion

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Pontiac-g8-1.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/2007_Holden_VE_Calais_V-Series_01.jpg


I'd so rock the Ute if I had the $30k.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/2007_Holden_VE_Ute_SS_V-Series_01.jpg

[silviaguy240]

Kinda..its the Holden Ute, kinda like a modern el camino.

http://img.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/09/21/Holden_ute_SS-V_m_m.jpg

[hellaflush]

i dunno what you guys know or think

but everyone who owns an import in australia... hates holdens

it is the no.1 selling car manfacturer in the country with ford a close second

everywhere you look yu will see a commodore...

and the ute - 1000hp of crap... everyone hates bolger and the holdens he builds - all with 50 crossbars in cages, tubs (which he doesnt need as he always grips and still gets wins) and more power than 5 cars would need to competitively slide

he took his monaro over to the states for the d1 international all star event

and failed

[ryguy]

Here's some more info on the Ute, apparently GM is close to green lighting it and it also says that GM might seriously call it the El Camino in the states.

http://jalopnik.com/366699/2010-pontiac-g8-sport-truck-the-el-camino-is-back

Theres TONS of pictures and info here, and I mean TONS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNars9kjTw

[jackjack]

yeah, i dig the ute. i'd buy it.

[muddafakka]

Last time I read, Lutz said there was no market for that Commodore wagon over here in the States. The wagon is pretty decent looking. As for the Ute, supposedly they're bringing it over as the Pontiac G8 Sport Truck (G8ST) instead of a Chevy El Camino or GMC Caballero.

[IIIXziuR]

Holden is talking about releasing as uber version of the Commodore with the ZR1 engine in Australia. I can GUARANTEE we won't get that version, but that means that the engine fits. I know if I had that kinda dough I'd be keeping my eyes open for the first crashed ZR1 next year.

I would probably just cry if I saw a crashed ZR1, hahaha.
Probably mad bread for the powertrain.

[SimpleS14]

The GXP is hot: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/15/new-york-08-preview-2009-pontiac-g8-gxp-packs-402-hp-and-a/

[ryguy]

Last time I read, Lutz said there was no market for that Commodore wagon over here in the States. The wagon is pretty decent looking. As for the Ute, supposedly they're bringing it over as the Pontiac G8 Sport Truck (G8ST) instead of a Chevy El Camino or GMC Caballero.

If you read that link above you theyre not calling it the G8 ST because GM doesnt like how it sounds. Its probably going to be called the Pontiac El Camino.

[BustedS13]

so... here's the spy hunter ad. since the other thread got locked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO6ER2K65sE

[muddafakka]

If you read that link above you theyre not calling it the G8 ST because GM doesnt like how it sounds. Its probably going to be called the Pontiac El Camino.

Yeah I know...that's why I said "last time I read."

I'm getting around to reading that article now.

[exitspeed]

i dunno what you guys know or think

but everyone who owns an import in australia... hates holdens

it is the no.1 selling car manfacturer in the country with ford a close second

everywhere you look yu will see a commodore...

and the ute - 1000hp of crap... everyone hates bolger and the holdens he builds - all with 50 crossbars in cages, tubs (which he doesnt need as he always grips and still gets wins) and more power than 5 cars would need to competitively slide

he took his monaro over to the states for the d1 international all star event

and failed

So, because people who own imports in aAustralia hate Holdens, we are supposed to?

That's ridiculous. Probably why everyone ignored your comment.

I don't know what you KNOW or THINK, but we don't have a ot of RWD, V8, cheap cars here in the states. So when we get one that's pretty bad ass, we tend to like it.

[BustedS13]

i dunno what you guys know or think

but everyone who owns an import in australia... hates holdens

it is the no.1 selling car manfacturer in the country with ford a close second

everywhere you look yu will see a commodore...

and the ute - 1000hp of crap... everyone hates bolger and the holdens he builds - all with 50 crossbars in cages, tubs (which he doesnt need as he always grips and still gets wins) and more power than 5 cars would need to competitively slide

he took his monaro over to the states for the d1 international all star event

and failed

everyone who owns an import in america hates ford and chevy. but that's not because ford and chevy make bad cars. it's because of ignorance and strange automotive bigotry.

[SimpleS14]

I prefer the V6 model taillights over the rest of the variants....

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/january2008/pontiac-g8-3.jpg

[silviaguy240]

gah the base model v6 is so weak...seen one in person and it looked like ass.

[S14DB]

I can only hope that Ford will import the Falcon if this is successful.

[exitspeed]

Oh this thing just keeps getting sweeter and sweeter! LOL, cause it's basically a GTO, but I'll bet my rep that it sells like hot cakes compared to the GTO.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/g8_cpe_450.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0331/pontiac.g8.coupe.concept.r34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0331/pontiac.g8.coupe.concept.act.f34.500.jpg

I can only hope that Ford will import the Falcon if this is successful.

AJ, we're not going to see a true Falcon here. Unlike the Holden's, Ford doesn't make a LHD version of the Falcon at all. So it's not even a possibility.

However accordingly to Edmunds (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=125413) Ford Aus is working closley with Ford NA is developing the new RWD platform that will be used on the Mustang, Crown Vic, and Town Car.

Who knows. I've read so many rumors about what direction Ford is going lately. It's been really hard to speculate about it.

[Dutchmalmiss]

^^ Man Pontiac's been looking mighty sexy to me over the past couple of months.

[SimpleS14]

The coupe is just a rumor for now....well being stateside at least.

[exitspeed]

The coupe is just a rumor for now....well being stateside at least.

Yes it is. But I can see this thing selling really well. G8 Coupe > Mustang.

It's great seeing GM finally doing justice to the Pontiac brand. The Grand Prix should have always been a RWD car and should have always came as a coupe. FINALLY, they figured it out.

[Skay]

Not sure how right I am but car was LS1 (went from 5000cc to 5700cc to do so)and switching LS2.Grew up on holden but have been in Japan 18years now so a little out of the loop although I drool very time I go back home.Have long considered the commodore to be a chevy/opel product as it is really a mixture of both.The ute (Mooloo) is also nasty and had pleasant surprise a few years back while surfing web here to see holden here in Japan now.Big prob though is the price (and I love holden).Could buy a GT-R skyline for same coin.Hard to justify.....
Ford has dominated V8 Supercars last couple of years down under and this year.....
Each to there own and new to posting.Enjoy reading and look forward to enjoying the site more!

[S14DB]

The G8 Ute was at the NY auto show last week and is going to make the auto show rounds.

[trsilvias13]

ANy know how much the Ute going to cost roughly? I haven't been keeping up with it. I am looking for a new car in the near future and I would use like something like the Ute.

[iwishiwas-all*]

i love the new g8 i think it will be a hit and the rwd sport sedan will be a big car in general for americans this yea im sure. Ford allready lost, the falcon was a sweet (still is) ass car over there and they took too long lolly gagging to get it over here, when as it seems gm and chrysler prior have allready been rocking the rwd v8 sports sedans. i feel sorry for the people at ford man.. they are taking way too long to implement a good plan, one which should have happened many many years ago.

[S14DB]

ANy know how much the Ute going to cost roughly? I haven't been keeping up with it. I am looking for a new car in the near future and I would use like something like the Ute.

Won't be be out still 2010 model. GM is still fighting amongst them selfs on what brand will get it and what it will be called.

[KA-T_240]

I love the new G8. Except for that ugle fender vent.

[exitspeed]

i love the new g8 i think it will be a hit and the rwd sport sedan will be a big car in general for americans this yea im sure. Ford allready lost, the falcon was a sweet (still is) ass car over there and they took too long lolly gagging to get it over here, when as it seems gm and chrysler prior have allready been rocking the rwd v8 sports sedans. i feel sorry for the people at ford man.. they are taking way too long to implement a good plan, one which should have happened many many years ago.

Yea, but their new plan with the EcoBoost engines is a very good one IMO.

Won't be be out still 2010 model. GM is still fighting amongst them selfs on what brand will get it and what it will be called.

The fact that we're seeing the G8 version of it in nearly production ready trim leads me to believe it's gonna be a G8. Plus, it will be most cost effective to keep it a G8 ie a Chevy version will need a different fascia, rear, etc. So more development costs.

[S14DB]

The fact that we're seeing the G8 version of it in nearly production ready trim leads me to believe it's gonna be a G8. Plus, it will be most cost effective to keep it a G8 ie a Chevy version will need a different fascia, rear, etc. So more development costs.

I think it was more they already had the G8 face so the bolted it onto a Commodore Ute. The only difference is the face and some Pontiac stickers. GM was quick to say that it was NOT the production model or design that it was to test peoples response to a Ute.

With today's RPD they can easily make a El Camino face and bolt it on there. It will take longer for the brass to approve a design.

[exitspeed]

I think it was more they already had the G8 face so the bolted it onto a Commodore Ute. The only difference is the face and some Pontiac stickers. GM was quick to say that it was NOT the production model or design that it was to test peoples response to a Ute.

With today's RPD they can easily make a El Camino face and bolt it on there. It will take longer for the brass to approve a design.

I know they said it's not the production version, but it's pretty damn close.

I'm just basing my prediction off of what I'm seeing. I'm obviously no expert, but I'm usually spot on. ;)

[S14DB]

I know they said it's not the production version, but it's pretty damn close.

I'm just basing my prediction off of what I'm seeing. I'm obviously no expert, but I'm usually spot on. ;)

Yes it's a Production front end. Not the one that is going to be on the Ute.

Pontiac already got the G8. GM doesn't want to give them the Ute also. High probability that another brand will get it.

Also, El Camino name has been mentioned by many outlets so there is some pressure to make it that.

[exitspeed]

Yes it's a Production front end. Not the one that is going to be on the Ute.

Pontiac already got the G8. GM doesn't want to give them the Ute also. High probability that another brand will get it.

Also, El Camino name has been mentioned by many outlets so there is some pressure to make it that.

I'd love to see them offer a whole line-up of G8's. Sedan, ute, and a coupe. That would really flesh the Pontiac brand out well. Next step would be a RWD G6, then a restyled G5 GT(Cobalt SS Turbo), and a Sostice Vert/Coupe. Get rid of the goddamn Torrent. Pontiac would be one hell of an enthusiast brand.

But yes I agree on the El Camino return. As long as they stick with something like an aggressive Malibu front. Which I believe they would.

[Yuri]

I drove a G8 last week, and was impressed with the car.
I can't wait to see how the Corvette powered manual GXP stacks up.

[ryguy]

I drove a G8 last week, and was impressed with the car.
I can't wait to see how the Corvette powered manual GXP stacks up.

I saw some outside of the Pontiac dealer by my house, did a double take and almost crashed. I had no idea they were selling them already.

[0100]

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Holden/concepts/Coupe60/Holden_Coupe_60_main02.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Holden/Concepts/Coupe_60//Holden_Coupe_60_027.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Holden/Concepts/Coupe_60//Holden_Coupe_60_019.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Holden/Concepts/Coupe_60//Holden_Coupe_60_013.jpg

Didn't see this posted but may have missed it.

I want this car!

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/concept-cars/pontiac-mulls-coupe60-based-g8-gxp-coupe/

[0100]

Oh and hands down, holden has the best emblem.

[SimpleS14]

Oh and hands down, holden has the best emblem.

I do agree the Holden emblen is pretty nice. I also like the Vauxhall emblem...

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/vauxhall-logo_web.jpg

[AJ-TrueStreets]

Or L76 VVT. I figure they didn't use the LS2 to keep the price lower, but why not L76 VVT? It can run with lower compression, has a better power band, makes a bit more power and probably saves a bit on gas. I mean I see one key distinction all the L76 VVT (or LY6s for that matter) versions found in all the SUVs and trucks are built in Michigan while the only L76 non-VVT is built in Silao Mexico. So I guess it was a cheaper alternative? Is it too expensive to have the Silao plant upgraded to make the L76 VVTs?

[0100]

How about a better question...

Why didn't you post this in the g8 thread?

[SimpleS14]

^--- agreed...i'm guessing its his first post and he didn't search before posting.


The G8 is not made in North/Central America...it's made in Australia. So that might be a factor...

[0100]

Well in that case hang him.

Nah man welcome to zilvia!

[DOOK]

well how about someone inform us non domestic guys what motor does come in the G8... I kind of assumed the G8 GT 6.0 was an LS series...

[Z33dori]

yea i thought it was LS2 also....

[exitspeed]

Merged into the proper thread. :)

[DOOK]

come on Mel... you're the expert... what motor does the GT version of the G8 have?

[AJ-TrueStreets]

My bad, I didn't think there would be a G8 thread =/

The G8 GT comes with the Non-VVT version of the L76 which is found in a lot of GM's Trucks and SUVs, the G8 is the only vehicle not to get VVT as all others get it. Originally I thought it was also a detuned LS2 and I was browsing one day and found that it wasn't and also it looks like the only LS2s in production are in the Blazer SS and the Saab clone. They'll probably phase out the LS2 soon and just spread the LS3 around. One thing I noticed, but forgot to mention is that the Non-VVT L76 has a higher compression ratio and needs Premium fuel (as per GM) but the VVT version can make the same power (or slightly more) with a flatter power band and be able to use regular gas since it's only has a CR of 9.6:1. Oh yea, forgot to mention also the L76 used in the G8 got the LS3 intake because the hood is kinda low.

[Daniel.]

<300whp on a dynojet :(

http://www.neweraperformanceparts.com/Images/dyno%20graph%202.JPG

This is more like it though

304whp/315wtq bone stock. 335whp/348wtq with just a tune

on a Mustang Dyno


http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/users/bryan/misc/G8TUNEFINAL.jpg


325whp / 301wtq on a dynapack

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imagehosting/2647db80bc1eaca.jpg


People are reportedly running [email protected]

360hp and 4000lbs...

not tooooo bad

From what im reading the autos are dynoing much lower than the manuals. we'll have to wait and see when the gxp comes out.

[exitspeed]

^
Are the mauals out? My cousin works at a dealer and he SWEARS they are not available yet. I coulda swore they were.

[Daniel.]

^
Are the mauals out? My cousin works at a dealer and he SWEARS they are not available yet. I coulda swore they were.

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

I meant to say that the vette's with the same engine with the manual tranny are dynoing more than the auto G8's

We're talking a difference of about 15whp or so.

For the record, this is a car that I would consider trading in my Evo for. It's just badass.

[AJ-TrueStreets]

i'm confused when you are comparing vette and G8 motors? Only the GXP will have a Vette motor?

[exitspeed]

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

I meant to say that the vette's with the same engine with the manual tranny are dynoing more than the auto G8's

We're talking a difference of about 15whp or so.

For the record, this is a car that I would consider trading in my Evo for. It's just badass.

Do you know if the stick available right now?

And yea, this car is super BA. I get the GM discount too (my dad worked for Delphi for 27 years), so it makes it even more tempting. I'll probably wait 4 years and get one before the next generation one comes out. Usually the kouki (can I use that term when talking about this car) versions of cars are more cleaned up style wise and mechanical wise.

[AJ-TrueStreets]

I'm pretty sure the stick is not available yet.

[axiomatik]

That coupe concept is the hotness, love the hood vents. new wallpaper for me.

can a mod correct the spelling of the title? it's been driving me nuts.

[SimpleS14]

So the G8 will get a turbo 4 in the future....what do you guys think about that?

I'd consider it as long as its peppy for quick lane changes or nice corners.

[AJ-TrueStreets]

Turbo 4? You mean putting in the LNF motor? Or are they putting in something else? Seems kinda weird... I rather see just an economical V6, performance should come from the V8s.

[SimpleS14]

Turbo 4? You mean putting in the LNF motor? Or are they putting in something else? Seems kinda weird... I rather see just an economical V6, performance should come from the V8s.

LNF motor?

I'm talking about a variant of the turbo I-4 used in the Solstice, Cobalt SS, and Sky Redline. There is already a prototype floating around on the next gen LaCrosse...which is considered a 'big' car.

[DOOK]

standard G8s are not availible.... as of now, the G8 and corvette don't share any motor, that is until the GXP version comes out and that has been covered... as for a turbo 4 cylinder coming in them... I hate the idea, car is too big and bulky for a turbo 4... the solstice and sky are a lot smaller and lighter vehicles and can utilize that motor, unlike the G8 with it's ginormousness.

[exitspeed]

standard G8s are not availible.... as of now, the G8 and corvette don't share any motor, that is until the GXP version comes out and that has been covered... as for a turbo 4 cylinder coming in them... I hate the idea, car is too big and bulky for a turbo 4... the solstice and sky are a lot smaller and lighter vehicles and can utilize that motor, unlike the G8 with it's ginormousness.

I don't understand this argument. If it's producing the same amount of HP and similar tq as a V8 and it's lighter, why is it at a disadvantage.

I think it's just the fact that people don't want to hear of a 4 cyl in a 'muscle car'. These aren't the same muscle cars as the 60, and 70's. These are high tech performance machines.

[DOOK]

turbo 4 doesn't say muscle to me... just doesn't. that is my only argument. I'm not saying it couldn't perform just as well, I'm just saying I would personally rather see a large displacement engine in a "muscle" car.

[300hp owen]

there was a rumor of a turbo V6 for the G8 platform, possibly twin turbo, to get on the heels of the new Bimmers and bring back some life to the Buick GNX fanbase.

I hope we get a G8GTcoupe and a ttV6G8 and a watered down ZR1motorG8SS type of beast.

but who knows how well this platform will do, rising gas prices is a major hurdle especially if the displacement on demand technology doesnt really gain a huge mpg jump, I think its sad it doesnt get even better mpg and its sad the G8 weighs so damn much. why it couldnt be 3200 pounds I'll never know... did GM use all of their aluminum on the vette, dont they have any leftover?!?!?

[AJ-TrueStreets]

yea I agree, just seems awkward, why I would rather have a fuel efficient V6. The LNF is the turbo found in those cars. The only other Turbo 4 that GM has is the one they put into the saabs but those are the detuned version of the LNFs called the LK9s. LK9s only make around 210hp.

[AJ-TrueStreets]

but who knows how well this platform will do, rising gas prices is a major hurdle especially if the displacement on demand technology doesnt really gain a huge mpg jump, I think its sad it doesnt get even better mpg and its sad the G8 weighs so damn much. why it couldnt be 3200 pounds I'll never know... did GM use all of their aluminum on the vette, dont they have any leftover?!?!?

the idea is suppose to be have the V8 make the hype and provide a tone of economical V6s. Like the 300C

[AJ-TrueStreets]

I don't understand this argument. If it's producing the same amount of HP and similar tq as a V8 and it's lighter, why is it at a disadvantage.

I think it's just the fact that people don't want to hear of a 4 cyl in a 'muscle car'. These aren't the same muscle cars as the 60, and 70's. These are high tech performance machines.


turbo 4 car making same power as a V8 doesn't feel the same, nor does it sound the same either. Just a different experience.

[s13Dr1ft]

I drove 2 G8's yesterday, pretty decent cars. Between the v8 and v6, I would get the v8, it felt better than the 6.

It has a very nice ride feel to it, seats are pretty comfy. The car in itsself doesnt feel too big (im also a big guy).

Im tossing up on trading my 01 blazer with 61K miles in for one of these or trading it for a beautiful is300...hmmm

[S14DB]

I don't understand this argument. If it's producing the same amount of HP and similar tq as a V8 and it's lighter, why is it at a disadvantage.

I think it's just the fact that people don't want to hear of a 4 cyl in a 'muscle car'. These aren't the same muscle cars as the 60, and 70's. These are high tech performance machines.
I got some pics of a 70's Firebird with a factory 4cyl in it lol. :keke:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/TRR/2004-11-26024.jpg

[drift freaq]

I got some pics of a 70's Firebird with a factory 4cyl in it lol. :keke:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/TRR/2004-11-26024.jpg

Uh AJ thats a 60's Firebird and thats a 6 cylinder. Pontiac did not actually have a 4 cylinder engine in the 60's.

[S14DB]

Uh AJ thats a 60's Firebird and thats a 6 cylinder. Pontiac did not actually have a 4 cylinder engine in the 60's.

Yeah it's a ' 67 with a I-6. But, we couldn't all be there to see it roll off the showroom floor like you. :P

Point was that muscle cars didn't only come with v8's in the 60's-70's like some peoples memory's selectively forget.

[exitspeed]

^
I'm well aware they didn't.

I don't have a problem with a 4cyl option for the G8. It's not the 60 or 70's anymore.

Just like the Camaro. The alternative is no G8 at all.

[drift freaq]

Yeah it's a ' 67 with a I-6. But, we couldn't all be there to see it roll off the showroom floor like you. :P

Point was that muscle cars didn't only come with v8's in the 60's-70's like some peoples memory's selectively forget.

LOL Touche AJ hahahhahhahahahhaha

[Phil703]

I'd rather drive a honda civic as a DD... Than this big ass tank.

[AJ-TrueStreets]

there's another AJ on these forums??? o.0 There's always been a 6 cyl option for all muscle cars I thought. But 4 cyl? And if it was a turbo 4 making the same power as a V6, I'd imagine it would cost more kinda defeating the point of getting a cheaper less gas eater big car. Maybe like someone else said, they don't want this to be a "muscle car" but just a larger sports sedan that is more affordable then most cars on the market.

[axiomatik]

there's another AJ on these forums??? o.0 There's always been a 6 cyl option for all muscle cars I thought. But 4 cyl? And if it was a turbo 4 making the same power as a V6, I'd imagine it would cost more kinda defeating the point of getting a cheaper less gas eater big car. Maybe like someone else said, they don't want this to be a "muscle car" but just a larger sports sedan that is more affordable then most cars on the market.

Why would that be surprising? Zilvia has over 50,000 members.

The point of the turbo'd engines is to give the power and performance of the larger engines while getting better gas mileage. In the face of drastically higher CAFE standards, car makers are looking for ways to provide the performance consumers have come to expect while acheiving the required corporate EPA-rated fuel economy. Those that are willing to shell out the gas money for a big V8 will still have that option.

[AJ-TrueStreets]

Although I've only come across a few people that were named AJ. It's not a common name like John, lol, so it still surprises me =P. Turbo motors are more deceiving in terms of gas saving. If they were great gas savers then basically all cars would have a turbo integrated into the design. Cars would have 1 liter 3 cyl motors with turbos making same power as a standard 4 cyl and supposedly be getting more MPG than a N/A motor making the same power. If you have a low revving N/A motor VS. a low displacement turbo motor making the same power, my money is going to be on the N/A motor in terms of gas saving. Direct injection motors is the way to go with cylinder deactivation and new technology needs to be developed, possibly a full time continuous valve train, like with each valve getting it's own coil pack to completely vary the valve duration rather than having a couple different sets, it would also remove moving parts like cams and timing chain.

[exitspeed]

Pontiac's ads for this car have been top notch.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/16/video-another-pontiac-g8-ad-that-goes-after-our-childhood/

I seen one at the grocery store yesterday. It wasn't even a GT, but it still looked effin bad ass.

[ZX88]

i saw one of theses last week looks nice but still huge as fuck.

[status:one]

I like the styling of it... interior is nice too imo.

[muddafakka]

Even though these aren't in America and aren't exactly GM/Holden-related, I thought you guys might wanna check these out anyways:

2008 Ford Australia FPV F6
http://seriouswheels.com/cars/2008/top-2008-Ford-Australia-FPV-F6.htm
2008 Ford Australia FPV GT E
http://seriouswheels.com/cars/2008/top-2008-Ford-Australia-FPV-GT-E.htm
2008 Ford Australia FPV GT-P and GT
http://seriouswheels.com/cars/2008/top-2008-Ford-Australia-FPV-GT-P-and-GT.htm

[S14DB]

Even though these aren't in America and aren't exactly GM/Holden-related, I thought you guys might wanna check these out anyways:

2008 Ford Australia FPV F6
http://seriouswheels.com/cars/2008/top-2008-Ford-Australia-FPV-F6.htm
2008 Ford Australia FPV GT E
http://seriouswheels.com/cars/2008/top-2008-Ford-Australia-FPV-GT-E.htm
2008 Ford Australia FPV GT-P and GT
http://seriouswheels.com/cars/2008/top-2008-Ford-Australia-FPV-GT-P-and-GT.htm


I brought up the Falcon earlier. Ford is dumb. They thought the 500 was a better idea.

[exitspeed]

This would be an awesome conversion. THis has a Z06 Engine and will be $150k! I like their tails better too.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-hsv-w427/668451/

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/02/hsv_w427_hi001.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/02/hsv_w427_hi003.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/02/hsv_w427_hi004.jpg

[axiomatik]

not feeling the design. performance should be bitchin, but i don't care for the looks. I prefer the original holden sheetmetal.

[muddafakka]

Finally saw a dark gray G8 GT in person the other day.

Looks a lot better in person, much sleeker.

It looks a bit longer too.

[SimpleS14]

So the G8 GT will finally get a manual....

CarDomain recently sat for lunch with GM car czar Bob Lutz, and one of the topics that came up was the ever-vanishing manual transmission. Lutz explained that modern automatics are no longer the less efficient option by default, and with CAFE dictating so much nowadays, carmakers can actually improve their fleet average fuel economy more by going with automatics that can be programmed to deliver maximum efficiency (as far as the EPA is concerned, at least). He then went on to state that there will be manuals available in both the Camaro and the 2009 Pontiac G8 GT, which gets a 6-speed unit from Tremec. So if you waited on Poncho's new muscle sedan, your patience will be rewarded. Of course, your patience will also got you a price increase too, but at least those dopey digital auxiliary gauges will be gone, as well.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/20/lutz-09-pontiac-g8-gt-gets-optional-tremec-6-speed-stick/

[exitspeed]

So the G8 GT will finally get a manual....



http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/20/lutz-09-pontiac-g8-gt-gets-optional-tremec-6-speed-stick/

That's what I've been waiting for. Not that I'm buying one right away, but this is up there on my list of next cars.

[exitspeed]

Pontiac G8 ST is official. (http://www.autoilluminati.com/?p=137)

Looks pretty bad ass. I'm glad they went with a Pontiac and not a Chevy. Just makes sense.

[Unholy S14]

yea the HSV W427 is sickness

I have HSV tails on my GTO

[exitspeed]

GXP HO is official. 415! Fuckin SICK!

Article here. (http://www.autoilluminati.com/?p=249)

If the GT would JUST come in a 6 speed.

[SimpleS14]

Yea, so sad they scrapped the idea for 6-spd in the GT.

Oh wells....i ended up getting a M35x, I couldn't wait for the GXP :|

[ZX88]

ive driven both the commodore and the falcon they are both fun cars but they weigh alot basically they feel like a gto.

[The ROMAN]

This stuff always reminds me of that top gear clip, "We need some sophistication here, let's call the Australians."

YouTube - Top gear: What if the Camaro turns out to be great? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X1bJjIF8Mg)