Lining up the pedals

[Danio]

How do I raise my gas pedal so that it lines up with the brake and clutch pedals?

[Titan]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that is somewhat of a safety feature. The brake pedal is raised as to make it more prominent over the gas pedal, so it is less likely to mistake them.

As for actually altering the height, I have no idea, sorry.

[mrdirty]

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Well i wouldn't just because it would really make heel-toe difficult...

If you want to regardless, cut the pedal arm, weld in an extension, weld pedal back onto arm.

I really don't suggest this though, is there a particular reason why you want the throttle up farther? Maybe we can help u better if u tell us what u want it for...

[HippoSleek]

I'm with them ^^^

The height of the gas pedal should be slightly below the brake pedal under moderate pressure and perhaps even at a FULL stab (i.e., lock up). &nbsp;W/ well bled brakes, that's about the location from the factory on the 240. &nbsp;Of course the idea is that we don't want any accidents! &nbsp;If the gas were too high and the pedals too close a) panic stops would be even more panicy; and b) heel/toe would be adversely affected b/c you would lose the first XX amount of pedal travel and you would minimize the feel of the "roll" of the foot onto the gas. &nbsp;As far as height goes, our car was about perfect from the factory - many others have to buy pedal covers and shim the brake pedal at install to equal our OEM set up <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

If however, you need to change relative heights for some reason, that is how to do it. &nbsp;Pedal covers and washers as shims.

[Danio]

I find that with the current setup, I can only heel-toe if I use the middle of my foot on the brake pedal so that the heel can actually reach the gas pedal. If I brake like I usually do, using the area right behind the toes, my heel would hit the ground before it can even reach the gas cuz it's too far.

I know that it's the way it is because of safety, but personally I don't like it. =\ When the brake pedal's fully depressed, it's lined up with the gas pedal. That means the only way to heel-toe is to use the side of the foot, rather than the heel. (Maybe my foot's too big? Size 11 shoes.) In the driving videos that I've seen where people heel-toe (and also the ones where they don't), the pedals are always lined up equally and the driver lifts the heel to hit the gas.

Oh well, guess I'll have to get pedal covers sometime. Thanks for the suggestions.

[HippoSleek]

When you see driving videos, they shouldn't be at the same height. &nbsp;Trust me. &nbsp;At a school recently, the chief instructor (former Porsche 962, etc. driver FWIW) had a rant about learning to heel/toe.

First, he stated the correct height for the pedals as I did above. &nbsp;Remember - the brakes are for stopping and the engine is for going - heel/toe is just so that when you are transitioning from stopping to going you aren't stuck in an odd gear or a delay b/f accelaration after coming off the brakes. &nbsp;In other words - you should only be doing it when you have the brakes NAILED (i.e., pedals at same height).

He also made a point to emphasize the need for some type of pedal or cover on 99% of cars - just so that the distance wasn't so great.

Along w/ the need for pedal adjustment, he relayed something that I should have know - that heel/toe was impossible in 99.9% of all modern cars. &nbsp;The concept of heel/toe came about back in the day when the pedal cluster was mounted on the floor. &nbsp;While the top mount clusters found in modern cars are safer, they are impossible to heel/toe. &nbsp;Instead, one has to use the side of their foot to acomplish the feat. &nbsp;(I say I shoulda realized this b/c I used to own a 67 VW bug w/a floor mount cluster - heel/toe was so easy I can't believe it). &nbsp;In other words - its not your big feet or lack of ability - its just that you can't really "heel/toe" in our cars b/c of the cluster - you have to use the sides of your feet.

Finally, to practice, he recommended finding a true clover leaf and just going around and around.

Hope it all makes more sense now.

[Danio]

Interesting. Guess I should try the side of my foot for now. I was thinking of a couple Option videos I've seen where the pedals are lined up... Or they might have been Best Motoring... Plus this mpeg clip from my friend which I've been watching over and over again. =P Not saying your chief instructor was wrong or anything. A couple other people have also told me that stock pedals are the best to learn with and to use the side of the foot. Anyway the mpeg clip is Koguchi in his S13 (which has been modified to death so maybe the pedals have been adjusted, even thought they look stock) and I just noticed that he does have his foot higher on the brake pedal when heel-toeing. His gas pedal is definitely not lower than his brake pedal though, and when he's on the brake pedal it's a couple inches lower than the gas pedal. The file was sent to me as guchifootwork.mpeg. It's pretty interesting to watch if you can get that file, not just for the heel-toe parts.