first tase of drifting!!! i think

[stil bil]

i was coming around a turn that is about almost 360 degrees
(almost completely around...but not quite maybe 300 degrees) and the road is wet so i cut the wheel hard and get on it hard the sob came around on me i had the wheel already turned back the other way but then i lost my grip and back straight i went....all i could think about was yoshi and what happened to his car...haha

but nun the less it was awsome....i have to get better at it and try it again!!!!!!!!!!!

[aqwkmf]

keep it safe though...dont go doing stupid shit on public roads....its not worth the thrill. you could kill someone or lose ur licensce. i know its hard to resist the temptation <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

[BEISSEN]

Yeah be carefull and dont do that stuff on a public road cus someone or you can get hurt.Read the post by boosteds14 about the skylines and look at the blue one imagine that being your car or someone elses.Just keep it safe.

[NervGS]

Ummm...

Wouldn't this be called a f*ck up? &nbsp;Drifting is done on purpose, this sounds like your more or less did it on accident which is pretty easy to lose rear-end traction on a 240 in the wet...

-glenn

[aqwkmf]

yea....theres a differnce between sliding through a intersection making a left <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> on purpose &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> &nbsp;and losing control in the wet like sliding 25ft on wet pavement on accicdent.....both from personal experince(sp?)

[mbmbmb23]

I think the "Gen-Y" generation has no idea what it means to drive a RWD car. &nbsp;If you've driven your moms FWD minivan or Honda for your entire "driving career" (3-4 yrs?)...and then you step into a RWD 240sx on a rainy day...and gun it around the corner....sure it may seem like a drift...but....all you are doing is losing control....and drifting is all about control. &nbsp;Real drifting is done on closed courses, with controlled conditions. &nbsp;When you try and "drift" on loose dirt, or on wet pavement.....you are at the mercy of nature...not the mercy of your driving skill + cars potential. &nbsp;Anyone can break the rear wheels loose, but not everyone can make the car go where they want it to once the rear end kicks out.

-M

[Nerfdude]

gee, i wish i was old so i could harness the knowledge old people have of rear wheel drive.j/k =) my dad's got a '67 Galaxie, that's where i learned RWD... but anyway... how can a turn be 360 degrees? that's a circle.

[riot]

Yep...I remember my first real "drift"...I was turning left onto the frontage road up in Dallas and I jerked the wheel nice and hard while stuffing the throttle...rear end came out and I kept it loose through the turn...counter steered...corrected...shifted to 3rd and off I went. &nbsp;What a rush. &nbsp;Dangerous...yes...should I have done it...no. &nbsp;I am super easy on my cars on public roads...I have limits and obey them...but I make exceptions once in a while.

I totaled the car two days later when some asshole decided to stop at a railroad track (because he saw a school bus stopping). &nbsp;Boy I miss RWD...Im in a del Sol I picked up about a week later. &nbsp;The 240 is in the garage being fixxed. &nbsp;http://www.riotdesigns.com/240sx/teardown

-ryan

[SR240DET]

hey RIOT… technically thats power sliding… a drift is sliding your car through a set of opposed and grouped turns without having rear wheel traction as your car moves laterally through the turns

[sil80]

Normally I dont get excited about threads or someones post... well ok tnord can usually get me all hot(hahaha shut up.) but mbmbmb23 re-read your post and think about what your saying.
"I think the "Gen-Y" generation has no idea what it means to drive a RWD car. " - Dont catogrize people people based on there age. This comes down to how much time you spend driving either FR or FF. Obviously if you spend a lot of time in one vs the other then your going to have better skill. So just cause someone is 19 doesnt mean they will not have good amount of skill/car controll, expecially if that is there goal and there out practicing all the time.
"When you try and "drift" on loose dirt, or on wet pavement.....you are at the mercy of nature...not the mercy of your driving skill + cars potential." -- Actually this has a lot to do with driving skill + cars potential. If you know your car and how it responds then your chances of recovering from a spinout/powerslide/loose of traction is increase dramatically. What do you think rally drivers run into every time they race? Wet roads/dirt/gravel/snow..... they have to use experiance to overcome these conditions. OO ya rally drivers usually race on the same roads that public uses(obviously closed off at the time). Same thing with circuit drives in wet conditions... its all about your ability, either on the street or track. This is why I love auto'xing cause it has save me serveral times on public streets when I was acting stupid and driving like a nut.

Stil bil - what you did was a power slide.. uncontrolled power slide. Be very carefull in the rain doing this though because 9/10 times your front tires will brake loose and you will go into a four wheel slide. Then you will slam on your brakes and slide even quicker <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>
Next time it rains on the weekend find a empty parking lot(avoid popular spots) and practice.
Good luck and drive safe.

Sorry for all the misspelling... hooked on phonix didnt work for me.

[Yoshi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ July 16 2002,7:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i was coming around a turn that is about almost 360 degrees
(almost completely around...but not quite maybe 300 degrees) and the road is wet so i cut the wheel hard and get on it hard the sob came around on me i had the wheel already turned back the other way but then i lost my grip and back straight i went....all i could think about was yoshi and what happened to his car...haha

but nun the less it was awsome....i have to get better at it and try it again!!!!!!!!!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
in my defense, I wasn't drifting when I wrecked, I'd like to make that clear <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> hehee

you had your first powerslide technically, but you get a very similar feeling... just try to stay off public roads <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;Glad u enjoyed the rush <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Thorpedo]

Im glad to say that ive never driven a fwd car..regularly(unless it was a friends car or for a very short amount of time) I intend on keeping it that way as well <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[91red240hicas]

Just be careful drifting public roads. &nbsp;I stopped doing that for the most part. &nbsp;I was drifiting a turn and was clear in the direction coming, cop was about 300 feet down the road though I didn't know it was a cop (brown intrepid) as I passed him I saw his outfit and the lights in the grill. Saw his face too, pissed off, scared, and not knowing wtf was going on. My friend behind me held him up enough for me to dip into a funeral home and hide. He went by sirens blaring. &nbsp;I parked the car for a few hours at a movie theatre. &nbsp;I'm jsut saying I could have lost my liscence for this. &nbsp;Or the cop could have jsut beat the shit out of me (which I would have accepted given the choice of loss of liscence or asskicking). &nbsp;Drifting is fun but its best saved for parking lots. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[240meowth]

now a 300 degree turn... humm... i think u ment like 180... 'cause a 300 degree turn really have no point...

[DrDubbleB]

Uh oh, here we go with the definitions of what drifting is and isn't again! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sleeping.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzzz:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sleeping.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzzz:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sleeping.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzzz:'>

BTW...I'm thinking he was on an on/off ramp and that was almost 360 degrees.

[tnord]

for the love of god make this trend stop &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[Griffon2k]

Congratulations stil bil on your first powerslide...

Never mind the definitions of drifting people are putting up in here. As it was said, yes drifting is "getting your car lateral through a turn without the traction of your rear wheels." That is true. But I believe the purpose of your post was to relate the thrill and excitement of what you went through. I feel you on that, because losing traction of my rear wheels is what taught me how to drift.

My first experience was with a powerslide coming out of a car wash. My wheels were wet, I pushed the gas to hard...the ass of my car leapt out like a cheetah before i could line up the front...it SCARED the shit out of me and at the same time was almost as good as sex. After that, I started trying to make that happen. Already a speed demon with my 240, i would throw the son of b*tch into a sharp turn at like 65-70mph and feel it glide sideways before launching back into a straight line and peeling off, its an adrenaline rush i tell you. So if you really enjoyed what happened and want to really drift, find somewhere off road, and go at it.

Here is something to keep in my mind however-

*Please don't drift on public roads. No matter how skilled a driver you are, when you are drifting mistakes can happen just like in everything else, the one difference is drifting can cause a mistake that could cost your life, someone else's life or the life of your car and license. &nbsp;

*Keep in mind that drifting can take its toll on your vehicles suspension, don't do it if you can't afford to replace tie rods, bushings, shocks, struts, axles, you get the point...Of course you can always beef up the suspension now to handle drifting and prevent all of that.

*Be sure to buckle up, make sure no foreign or blunt objects are loose in the vehicle..."A pencil is harmless by itself, but a pencil aimed at your abdomen at 60 mph is a deadly weapon."

-okay there's my public service announcement for community service....now i can get back to the fun stuff..

There is nothing wrong with having a lil fun with your car man, we all do. Just take note of the risk you are taking. Now learn how to drift for real so we can exchange some war stories....

[aqwkmf]

me car go sideways.......wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
man dats sum crazy drifin son.

[stil bil]

thank you Griffon2k you got it all correct

as i said in the subject "i think" &nbsp;but it was a ruch

Now learn how to drift for real so we can exchange some war stories &nbsp;

how do you do it???

[mbmbmb23]

sil80-

All Im saying about the "Gen-Y" generation is that, unless they get handed a "tossable rear ended, yet inexpensive" car like the 240sx...from the moment they turn 16, they, as a whole, will be less likely to have experience with RWD cars than generations in the past. Unless you were born in the 60's and earlier, I guarantee the CAR you drove in drivers ed WAS NOT RWD (unless you went to some private and expensive driving school that had Ford Explorers or something). Sure some kid might go fooling around in his dads RWD sports car or truck on the weekend....but thats not what I'm talking about here. Yeah, sure it all comes down to what you have more experience driving with....but that all depends on your "first car".

With my generation, most common first cars for Gen-Xers was probably RWD V8's (buicks, caprice, etc), and although most of those cars dont have sporty RWD handling characteristics (LSD, close front to rear weight ratio,etc)...it was RWD nonetheless, and those of us who had to suffer through midwest winters in a dumpy RWD V8 w/o ABS will have a different appreciation of controlling a RWD car.

With the Gen-Y generation, most kids are getting their moms FWD (w/ABS) hand-me-down (taurus, acclaim, civic, saturn, etc)...thus...will have most of their driving experience in a FWD car. My point wasnt about the age of the driver, it was about car trends here in the USA, and the generations who live through those trends. In this country today, FWD is the standard.....RWD is the exception....and RWD w/Limited Slip Diff (for all the drifting wannabes out there) an even rarer exception. My point is, the rarer the "exception", the more it costs...and the less young drivers will have experience with it because they cant afford it unless they are rich. Thats why the 240sx is such an oddity as a "1st car" for many young drivers. Its cheap, RWD w/LSD, 52/48 weight ratio, torquey, tight suspension, highly upgradible with JDM parts. How many other cars in good condition can you find with all those characteristics....for $3k?

As far as comparing some newbie Gen-Y driver to a rally car driver....thats apples and oranges. Besides being professional drivers, they have navigators who've scouted the track prior, plus...when they powerslide...they know what they are sliding on and they use the parking brake. When referring to the younger drivers, we're talking about some kid who guns it in a corner, and not realizing that there is dirt there....or even how his "drift" will be altered after hitting dirt....wrecks...then brags about wiping out while "drifing".

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">mbmbmb23"When you try and "drift" on loose dirt, or on wet pavement.....you are at the mercy of nature...not the mercy of your driving skill + cars potential." sil80-- Actually this has a lot to do with driving skill + cars potential. If you know your car and how it responds then your chances of recovering from a spinout/powerslide/loose of traction is increase dramatically.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You ARE at the mercy of nature (maybe I should have said "physics vs. nature" instead of nature)....no matter how good of a driver you are. Have you ever hydroplaned your car? Hit a slick spot during a controlled drift on dry pavement? I dont care how good of a driver you are, or even if you have AWD....you're along for the ride if you lose control. I watch WRC rally races all the time on speedvision, and theres at least 1 wipeout per race.....due to the fact that the professional driver (in a professionally built and track-specific-tuned car) failed to navigate "nature vs. physics" in a turn, resulting in a powerslide into a ditch.


-m

[DrDubbleB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ July 16 2002,11:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">how do you do it???</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Things like this are upsetting to me. &nbsp;If you are trying to learn how to drive over the internet, you should not have a driver's liscense.

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DrDubbleB @ July 18 2002,02:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ July 16 2002,11:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">how do you do it???</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Things like this are upsetting to me. If you are trying to learn how to drive over the internet, you should not have a driver's liscense.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ROFLMAO <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp; That's good shit. &nbsp;Tears came to the eyes <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[miata_man]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ July 16 2002,9:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i was coming around a turn that is about almost 360 degrees
(almost completely around...but not quite maybe 300 degrees) and the road is wet so i cut the wheel hard and get on it hard the sob came around on me i had the wheel already turned back the other way but then i lost my grip and back straight i went....all i could think about was yoshi and what happened to his car...haha

but nun the less it was awsome....i have to get better at it and try it again!!!!!!!!!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that is not a drift. try drifting a miata, sonny!

[MrMigs]

Everything always gets flamey when people talk about drifting. Ever notice that?

[Rikadyn]

I've only ever driven a Fwd twice...once during drivers ed, the other was when i drove my moms 96 Monte Carlo...all the other times in Drivers Ed were with rwd suvs and in my own time has been with my 240sx, which is my first car <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[uiuc240]

true Migs, true. &nbsp;I just like it when it's raining and I go slow in 1st and slow in the first part of 2nd, then roll onto the throttle HARD. &nbsp;Then when boost hits and it's making good power up top, the rear just lets go and I start going sideways down the road. &nbsp;I'm sure other drivers think I'm weird...but I don't care.

Eric