help need assistance pleace!!!!

[DrifteRs13]

ok just a few minutes ago my car started making this weird noise then all of a sudden it droped to 2500 rpm and the started to shake reallly violently, so i shifted same with 3 and 4 and 5th i only max out at 25000rpm and then it shakes, i took it to a shop and they said my catalck converter may be cloged or my maf isnt working right pelase help me!!!

[smelly240]

sounds like the maf might be unplugged... thats like safe mode or somethin. I know with stock inj my car used to run under 2500 with the maf unhooked, then at 2500 it farted out...

got a friend with a maf? u made sure hte maf was hooked right? check contituity from the maf to the ecu? check ref voltage at maf? check if maf ground is good? check your signal voltage out of the maf (there are 3 wires on a 93KA or SR one should be 5v, one should be ground and the other is signal out)


please remember - this things connected to the ecu - use a Digital Multimeter/volt ohmeter... analog bad

[DrifteRs13]

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[DrifteRs13]

ok this is the part that looked brok one day when i unhooked it, but this isnt a 240 so i knwo you know what i mean i just lookedhttp://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j308/taylorhitme/untitled.jpg one of the progs were broken. please i really need to get this fixed and will it hurt my car to drive it like that, one of my friends said that a ball joint may have shot or somethign because iot happend wile i was driveing.

[PKaBooo69]

that is your maf. in what way does it look broken (i cant really see the pic)? if its a wire then its not to hard to reconnect. If its a prong (Ithink thats what you were trying to say) see if you can open the harness housing and replace the pin or try using a pin extractor from the back. if it doesnt look broken you can always try cleaning it. take off the airbox and spray some carb cleaner in there under rev. (good idea to do reguardless)


you got a bigger pic so I can actually see it? how bout a pic of the prong?

[DrifteRs13]

no that is a diff car i was just giveing an example, but yeah one of the prongs are bent. so do i have to buy a new one or just end up geting a z32 maf instead

[PKaBooo69]

if the prong is just bent then straighten it and make sure the wire is still connected to it on the inside. how did the prong bend? did you maf harness get disconnected when you were driving? Im a little confused. Depending on what happened and how it happen it may or may not be fixable.

a z32 maf would be a better route to go in the long haul anyhow. I'd replace with one of those. But if you are a little more descriptive or can give me a picture of what you are talking about I can try n help you fix it

[DrifteRs13]

i dont have a camera that works sorry but, i was trying to see before i knew anythign about maf sensors and stuff i unhooked the piece and i bent it , i replaced it and it worked again fine afterwards, but all of a sudden wile i was driving its starts shaking very badly (the whole car) SO THEN I SHIFTED AND IT KEPT DOING IT THReW ALL THE Gears.

[MasterOFDrift]

check that plug make sure it is connected.

If you want to upgrade to z32 maf you will need some type of Fuel control such as the apexi SAFC.

[PKaBooo69]

or flash your ecu for it, i'll see if i can find a write up on how to do that. its been i long time.

[DrifteRs13]

thanks alot........
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[smelly240]

wtf is ........

i told you what to check - what is the problem ? I explained it quite easily -

stick a t pin in the back of the wires goin into the maf plug - theres a white a black and a black and white... the black and white should be 12 volts - the white should give off voltages between 0 and 5 volts (car running - duh) and the blak should be grounded... if that isnt your case - read what i wrote before and check it all...

sounds to me like that bent prong isnt gettin continuity... diagnose the thing as i just explained - and if its related to your bent prong - solder a new plug from a same year car and get a new maf (junk yardin is fun - if u see a j30 or z32 get the maf, brakes (q45 too) or whatever else.

retuning a DOHC ecu requires a daughterboard - you cant just flash it

if u get a z32 maf you can use i believe 2 in and 5 out if im not mistaken on a KA with stock inj. (SAFC)

ford maf pic - good times./

[DrifteRs13]

the ... was because i wanted the post deleted but i count so i just used those to edit out the text. ok i will try that thanks.

[PKaBooo69]

wtf is ........
retuning a DOHC ecu requires a daughterboard - you cant just flash it




not so. we ran mine z32 maf with a stock ecu. we got it to run fine i just cant remember how. I'll have to check with ol boy at stock garage or find the write up. we also ran bigger injectors (550s) with the stock ecu. they never worked perfectly (found out later the ecu thought they were bigger than they were) but he had a 13 that did. I still have that ecu in the garage down stairs somewhere. want it?

either way i quit wit the riggin n run a power fc now. but it can be done

[Dream240]

not so. we ran mine z32 maf with a stock ecu. we got it to run fine i just cant remember how. I'll have to check with ol boy at stock garage or find the write up. we also ran bigger injectors (550s) with the stock ecu. they never worked perfectly (found out later the ecu thought they were bigger than they were) but he had a 13 that did. I still have that ecu in the garage down stairs somewhere. want it?

either way i quit wit the riggin n run a power fc now. but it can be done

Okay I'm trying to understand why he would get a Z32 MAF to put on a supposedly stock KA? That would cause him to run incredibly poorly wouldn't it? I don't know much about the difference in the two MAFs but I would think on a stock car, get a stock replacment. Problem solved.
As far as the bad prong on the MAF.....how the hell did that happen? did you jam it with a screwdriver, or drop kick it? those thing aren't easy to bend due to the recessed setup of the prongs in the housing. Wierd. I would just go to your local junk yard and source one out. Best choice....if you've got 50 bucks laying around that is.

[DrifteRs13]

when i put it back in my friend hit it wiht a screwdriver to get it to set right , but idk it still worked after that,

[MELLO*SOS]

Your car only revs to 2500 because it is in limp mode, because the ECU cannot read signal from the MAF sensor. It will stay like this until you fix the problem... Try it on your buddy's car, unplug the MAF and start the car, I bet you can't rev past 2500.

You said the connector was broken or damaged, try to fix it if you can and if not just buy a replacement MAF or connector. Don't get a Z32 maf, without proper install/tuning it'll make your problems worse not better.....

[Dream240]

Don't get a Z32 maf, without proper install/tuning it'll make your problems worse not better.....

WERD, AS I THOUGHT... :bigok:

[DrifteRs13]

ok i called the shop and they said it MIGHT be the disributor, dose that sound like a posiblity?

[aznpoopy]

dude. they already told you what the problem is like 4 times.

sounds like the maf might be unplugged... thats like safe mode or somethin. I know with stock inj my car used to run under 2500 with the maf unhooked, then at 2500 it farted out...

Your car only revs to 2500 because it is in limp mode, because the ECU cannot read signal from the MAF sensor. It will stay like this until you fix the problem... Try it on your buddy's car, unplug the MAF and start the car, I bet you can't rev past 2500.

[MELLO*SOS]

Check out your MAF wiring & test with another MAF sensor before looking at the Distributor.

What makes these people think it's your distributor, clogged cat, etc? Anyone who knows Nissans, knows that if the MAF unplugged the car is put into limp mode with a 2500rpm rev limiter. Start there dude. GL

[turboboost12004]

yeah its your MAF, just try to fins a buddy with another 240sx then, swap out MAFs, if it works great! if it dosent well........

[DrifteRs13]

i checked the cat, actualy i pulled my hole exhaust off and only running headers. still didnt work. well i will go down there and check it out they arnt open on the weekends so. sucks really bad

[Edgar]

sounds like the maf to me

something must be disconnected or leaking air

[smelly240]

OMG DUDE! I gave you specific instructions how to diagnose the car. I also told you its not the cat... It is something to do with the maf.

TO QUOTE MYSELF :

stick a t pin in the back of the wires goin into the maf plug - theres a white a black and a black and white... the black and white should be 12 volts - the white should give off voltages between 0 and 5 volts (car running - duh) and the blak should be grounded... if that isnt your case - read what i wrote before and check it all...

sounds to me like that bent prong isnt gettin continuity... diagnose the thing as i just explained - and if its related to your bent prong - solder a new plug from a same year car and get a new maf






its really easy - and you keep ignoring the fact that its the friggin maf or the maf wiring.

you even have a "known" bent pin - and you still keep looking at other stuff.

[aznpoopy]

this thread makes me lol.

person 1: maf
person 2: maf
person 3: maf
person 4: maf
original poster : hay guyz i chek the cat and it still no work wat is wrong/ lol

[DrifteRs13]

hah yeah funny, the shop said distributor because i already rulled out the maf, it worked, all air was getting to needed places. so again would a messed up distributor put the car in limp mode as well. This thread was created to help me not flame on something i ruled out almost 10 min after reading the fist responce.

[smelly240]

i dont have a camera that works sorry but, i was trying to see before i knew anythign about maf sensors and stuff i unhooked the piece and i bent it , i replaced it and it worked again fine afterwards, but all of a sudden wile i was driving its starts shaking very badly (the whole car) SO THEN I SHIFTED AND IT KEPT DOING IT THReW ALL THE Gears.

you realize you messed up the maf right there... you didnt check the maf with a dmm did ya? air getting to the maf does not mean its working. 2hrs after you replied you still hadn't checked the maf. if you wanna change the distributor - do it - its your car, but i tried to walk you through this and you refuse to accept my advice.

[DrifteRs13]

i dont have it the shop dose i aprecieat the help trust me, but i think when i bent the prong, after driving it it just loosend and fell off. when i looked it wasnt there and i have been trying to find another one.

[smelly240]

so wait - if you dont have a prong on the maf - why the heck are you trying to find the problem without fixing that!??!

If you took the car to a shop - they should have fixed it already. Like 10 people told you to get a maf, and you still want a distributor or a cat, or something else to blame even tho you know u have a bad maf.

i am sorry, but i cant help you...

[koukimonster139]

omg this kid has ADD i swear

[bamaboy]

25000rpm and then it shakes

Dude if your KA is spinning 25000 rpms then you have 1. either figured out something the whole world wants to know, or 2. you're a moron. I'm going with 2 because you can't read or comprehend.

[McRussellPants]

Ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[smelly240]

was i like speaking another language or something?

[DrifteRs13]

ok the prong was bent, didnt do anythign to my car still ran fine, i dont want a distributor, i just want what is gonna fix it and i wanted some opinions so thanks i did fix it. i just needed a new cable for the maf sensor.

thanks guys i appriciate all the help.
just needed to make sure it wasnt somehting costly.

[airsoft]

^hahahaha

good job.

but i believe it was explained a long time before somewhere on teh 2nd post on page one.

oh well, cars fixed. On with the show!

[smelly240]

:aw: no way! :aw:

;)

[MELLO*SOS]

OMFG it was the MAF after all?! :rofl:

;)

Glad you, uh, got it fixed. Sorry your shop had you waste time on the Distributor and Cat/Exhaust. I'd find a new shop who knows Nissans a little better.

[reflexdb]

Glad you, uh, got it fixed. Sorry your shop had you waste time on the Distributor and Cat/Exhaust. I'd find a new shop who knows Nissans a little better.

I would find a shop that knows anything. Most every car, built since the 80s, has a MAF sensor.

[DrifteRs13]

i know that is why i took it there, siad in big letters WE DO IT ALL lol car still not fixed i just need the actual part that plugs into the maf anyone know where to get one?

[DrifteRs13]

ok if i got a n60 maf sensor would that run poorly without a diffrent fuel system? all i need is the harness fot mine but i cant find one anywere?

[Kn1ves]

Junkyard x30

there, i already said it 30 times


watch out for his next thread/post, which is sure to be
'whats that red dot thing mean below my post count'

[Dream240]

ok if i got a n60 maf sensor would that run poorly without a diffrent fuel system? all i need is the harness fot mine but i cant find one anywere?

Where do you live, so I can avoid the idiot epidemic that's sweeping your hometown?

Sheesh. Listen guy, you already admitted that you have a damaged MAF sensor. Let's get something straight.

THE MAF SENSOR IS NOT THE SAME AS THE PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE MAF SENSOR. THESE ARE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE PARTS!!

The plug is part of an electrical harness that is connected to various components, namely the MAF sensor. If you have a missing prong inside the MAF sensor then you don't need to replace the wiring harness or the connector that hooks up to the MAF. YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE MAF SENSOR!!! It's that entire metal piece that fits in between your intake piping just after your filter. DO NOT START CUTTING THE WIRING HARNESS AND LOOKING FOR A REPLACEMENT, YOU DON'T NEED THAT PIECE.

I'm sorry for yelling but it seems like you either lack the ability to understand what you read or maybe you only have a 2 second memory and conveniently forget the last helpful post that had the answer you need.

Now this might confuse you but try to keep up.

If you have a faulty wiring harness connector, then you can go to pretty much any local junk yard, find out if they have any 240s, and go cut the MAF sensor connector from the wiring harness off, but make sure you cut it so that you have about 3 inches of wiring to work with. Then go home and butt splice the matching color wires together from where your old connector used to be. This should solve the connector problem (if that's what you have).

GL

[smelly240]

thank you for clearing that up for him (i thought i did that like 10 times LOL )

[Dream240]

You did....I just figured he could use one more information salvo.....

[DrifteRs13]

no i compleatly understand i dont think you understand, i found one that comes wiht everything new harness and sensor all i aked was if i got a n60 would it run poorly? simple quesations to you people and you guys make them complicated because you think you know who i am or somehitng like that. i havent been working wiht nissan that long, sorry, i use to own alot of hondas and they dont have mafs on the intake. so if you want to critisize go ahead do it to somone who is honistly stupid not someone who just hasnt hade the exp. yet.

[Dream240]

no i compleatly understand i dont think you understand, i found one that comes wiht everything new harness and sensor all i aked was if i got a n60 would it run poorly? simple quesations to you people and you guys make them complicated because you think you know who i am or somehitng like that. i havent been working wiht nissan that long, sorry, i use to own alot of hondas and they dont have mafs on the intake. so if you want to critisize go ahead do it to somone who is honistly stupid not someone who just hasnt hade the exp. yet.

Okay easy answer. I'm only responding to your posts! You never stated in full detail what you had in your possesion!

ok if i got a n60 maf sensor would that run poorly without a diffrent fuel system? all i need is the harness fot mine but i cant find one anywere?

That is not the same as saying you found one that comes with everything. You need to learn to be more specific from the get go. Giving us fragments of info post by post will easily get the other posters frustrated thus, the flames.

As far as knowing you, obviously i don't personally know you nor do I care to. Hence the flames. Dude you gotta understand that a forum is meant for impersonal bashing. If you take this stuff seriously then you got some serious personal issues. Really WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT SOMEONE ON HERE SAYS ABOUT YOU!! Will I ever meet you? NO.

It's the same as driving on the I-5 coming from San Fran. and getting caught picking your nose by another driver. It's embarrassing but who the fuck cares?? You'll never see them again in your whole life. Let it go!!

And i don't know what hondas you drive but if they came from Japan and not Mars they have MAFS. Most, if not all, of them are located somehwere on the intake pipe. I'm talking stock cars here not heavily modified space shuttles.

Peace

[DrifteRs13]

i hear you dude its just frustrating trying to get this damn car to work when ppl are just flaming and not helping or getting mad they dont have to post, and no the maf in under the intake manifold not the actual intake. but anyways. do you knwo of any place that sell aoem maf for cheep

[DrifteRs13]

<ok if i got a n60 maf sensor would that run poorly> and yes i did specify the sensor then i said all i neeed it the harness

[Dream240]

Just check ebay. There's quite a few on there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-240SX-Stanza-MAF-2-4L-mass-air-flow-sensor-90-92_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33557QQihZ018QQitemZ 280061901579QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991-1994-240sx-ka24de-dohc-nissan-MAF-Sensor-Intake_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33557QQihZ009QQi temZ190063851080QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

BAM done.

[inertiaticism]

Cut the harness off of a wrecked car.
Then put it onto your car. Now your harness is not bad anymore.

If you end up needing a MAF, just buy a regular KA MAF until you get your problems sorted out, then maybe upgrading to an N60 would be a good idea later on when you get some supporting mods done.
That way you've got a spare stock MAF hanging out if you need to return it to stock, or if your new MAF takes a dump and strands you.

[smelly240]

an n60 maf wont work without something to change your compter or the maf signal (tune or a AFC)

and an n60 maf wont give you any performance at all... it's used to exceed 275HP (the stock maf tops out there), not to make more power.

theres a thread on FA about this - by Enthalpy from years ago. Read it.

[DrifteRs13]

all i need is somethign to pull it out of limp mode not more power but i just bid on a oem one on ebay. thanks

[MELLO*SOS]

Dude you need to use the same exact MAF as what was on the car originally. Just replace it with another KA maf and you'll be good to go. Note the DOHC and SOHC mafs are different, please be sure to get the right one!

This thread is fun and I'm bored, so I'll give you a MAF explanation so you can learn why this is. And have a better understanding of what's going on...

MAF newbs read up!

Each MAF sensor (ka/de, ka/e, n60, z32, q45, etc) has a unique calibration. This calibration translates an airflow measurement (#kg/s worth of air) into a voltage between 0v and 5v for the ECU. The ECU has a matching calibration table stored in it's memory (called a VQ table), so that it can quickly translate the voltage back into a measurement (kg/s of air).

Lets assume your stock KA maf was reporting 3.5v @ 5000rpm to the ECU. If you were to replace the MAF with a differently calibrated MAF, such as a Z32 or n60, it may only report 2.5v @ 5000rpm for the same amount of air. The ECU doesn't have any way to know you swapped the MAF, so when it looks up 2.5v in the VQ table for the stock MAF, it will only allocate fuel for "2.5v" worth of air, instead of the actual 3.5v! Obviously this is going to create a very lean mixture since you're short changing the motor on needed fuel.

Now during idle and part-throttle cruise, the ECU runs in "closed loop" mode, this means it continuously monitors the O2 sensor to see if the mixture is a little too rich or a little too lean. The o2 sensor is a fine-tuning adjustment. It uses this feedback information to fine-tune the mixture (short and long term fuel trim) a little richer or a little leaner.

But! During higher load & wide open throttle runs, the ECU switches into "open loop" mode. This means it completely ignores the O2 sensor output, and completely relies on the MAF sensor (well, along with RPM, TPS %, ECT temp, etc) to calculate fuel delivery!

What this means is that the ECU will have no way to know it's running too lean (except excessive knock & elevated engine temp, which will cause it to retard ignition spark timing which seriously reduces power output). It will most likely in due time melt a hole in your piston, or otherwise destroy the motor from knock/pre-ignition. Leaner mixtures burn hotter, and leave more heat in the combustion chamber for the next cycle to deal with.

Of course if you have a magical tool that lets you reprogram the VQ table in the ECU, then you have the freedom to use just about any MAF sensor you can get your hands on. This is how people are able to use N60 or Z32 maf on their "stock" ecu -- it's been chipped or reprogrammed somehow. Instead of reprogramming the ecu, some guys will run the Apexi S-AFC to use the z32 maf with stock ecu. This is a somewhat half-assed approach to tuning, since the ECU still has the wrong VQ calibration table. (sorry if anyone is offended, but you know it's the truth)

So for these reasons it's important that you use the exact same MAF as the ECU is expecting, otherwise you'll confuse it and it'll end up costing you your motor. In a less extreme case, you may not burn a piston, but you'll definitely have a bad idle, sputtering, trouble starting, poor acceleration and terrible fuel economy.. All from try to use a n60 maf when you should have just stuck with the KA maf.

The same logic is true for injectors, you can't just slap in a new set of 550cc injectors when the ECU is expecting 270cc's... Things have to be calibrated to work with each other, you can't just throw stuff together and hope it works. The ECU and it's sensors don't work like the USB port on your computer. If you install a new or different piece of "hardware" you need to put a new "driver" on the computer!

GL I hope you learned something about MAF sensors with this thread.

[DrifteRs13]

thanks, i like i said imnew to the 240sx and nissan stuff so i just gotta get some trial and error down. again thanks

[!Zar!]

There was zero need for trial and error.

You stated a problem.

Everyone and there mother gave you the info you needed to fix it.

You wasted more money/time on random bs.

Then you finally gave in and checked your maf out, you fixed it.

Lesson for the day. When you have 10+ people all telling you the same thing, then chances are they are rite.

[MELLO*SOS]

Yep. Check out my post & the others in here and it should help you understand a little more.
Obligatory note: This kind of info has been covered quite a bit also, be sure to search around next time before asking!

GL on you project & happy holidays.

[DrifteRs13]

same to you peace

[DrifteRs13]

on that ebay like for the 91 maf will that fit on my 93 it looks diffrent?

[!Zar!]

Wtf are you speaking.

They are the EXACT same.

Please for the love of all things, learn how to speak english.

[Dream240]

on that ebay like for the 91 maf will that fit on my 93 it looks diffrent?

Actually yeah, even though he listed it for a 91-94, now that I look at it, it looks like a SOHC MAF.

So in your case NO, neither one of those will fit your car. Sorry.

Just type in a search on eBay "240sx MAF", and sift through the listings. You're bound to find one for your car.

GL

[!Zar!]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/images/reputation/reputation_balance.gifhelp need assistance... | 12-22-2006 07:35 PM | DrifteRs13 | you learn to speek english


You just proved to me you fail at life.

[Dream240]

Actually yeah, even though he listed it for a 91-94, now that I look at it, it looks like a SOHC MAF.

So in your case NO, neither one of those will fit your car. Sorry.

Just type in a search on eBay "240sx MAF", and sift through the listings. You're bound to find one for your car.

GL

Okay now that I look at the MAFs listed and my own.......They're the same one! so you're good to go. That MAF will fit any 91-94 DOHC KA24DE. And since you have a 93' you're golden.
So bid, pay, receive, and get back on the road.

GL

[aznpoopy]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/images/reputation/reputation_balance.gifhelp need assistance... | 12-22-2006 07:35 PM | DrifteRs13 | you learn to speek english


You just proved to me you fail at life.

irony ftw lol

[Wykydtron]

To everyone that posted more then 100 characters per post in this thread and all that is lol'ing,

This kid is the reason why mechanics make 65$+ an hour XD

[bamaboy]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to A-Tech_Weapons again.

I couldn't agree more!!

[smelly240]

what mechanics make 65$ an hour?!!? because im workin at the wrong shop!

we dont actually get the 65$ an hour you get charged for labor - i mean flat rate you can make 65 in an hour - but i dont know anyone that makes 65$ an hour as their rate...

[bamaboy]

what mechanics make 65$ an hour?!!? because im workin at the wrong shop!

we dont actually get the 65$ an hour you get charged for labor - i mean flat rate you can make 65 in an hour - but i dont know anyone that makes 65$ an hour as their rate...
That's true...should've said that's why mechanics charge $65 an hour

[DrifteRs13]

ok i got the new maf it works great now, but now the engine is getting the regualr amount of fule and i have no exhaust and it shooting flames when idoling. timing is alittle off as well, and i haver a semi big oil leak, not good.If i got the new exhaust, would that stop the flames.

[Dream240]

No, set the timing first. Then see what happens.

20 deg. BTDC.

[DrifteRs13]

iight thanks. wait ehat is 20deg. btdc

[aznpoopy]

oh gosh.

#1 get timing gun
#2 hook it up. it connects to the battery and has a clip for spark plug #1 wire.
#3 start car
#4 point the timing gun at the crank pulley
#5 pull trigger, timing gun will flash with sparkie #1
#6 now turn the distributor until the pin lines up with 20 degrees, using the flashing light from the timing gun to see.

this picture shows you where 20 degrees is.
http://www.240sx.org/faq/articles/pics/timing01.jpg

[DrifteRs13]

were do i get the gun at?

[MELLO*SOS]

your auto parts store.....

And to set the timing properly, you need to warm the engine up, then unhook the TPS sensor connector (near TB), rev the motor to a few times then adjust the distributor.. When done tighten the distributor bolts and reconnect the TPS. When you unhook the TPS it forces the ignition timing to base timing, so you can observe and/or adjust it... Otherwise it'll look wrong, and move around as the engine idles.

Did you get a copy of the FSM yet?

[DrifteRs13]

not yet........
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[stealthsr20]

i think this guy is just having a good laugh screwing with you guys. He probably has already pulled his windshield washer tank thinking that might fix it. P.s. Check your blinker fluid and muffler bearings, sometimes that will cause it? :) Could Be a rotator widget maybe? just my 2 cents

[stealthsr20]

It's supposed to shoot fire from the exhaust.. thats your afterburner vroom vroom

[Dream240]

Hey genius, this thread is from 2 YEARS AGO!! Stop bumping old ass threads with useless info. Someone's gonna punish you.

Lock please.