View Full Version : H.I.D.'s on a S13? Stock front end...
SiCNastyS13
12-09-2006, 08:08 PM
I just bought a 1990 240sx Fastback and I would like to put a set of H.I.D.'s for the headlights, now I'm new to 240's and I've done some research on them but cannot find anything, so do they make them for the flip up headlight's? Links or pictures to a site to buy them would be nice. Thanks Guys
Chris
smelly240
12-09-2006, 08:15 PM
please look at this link ...
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=119134&highlight=lighting
its a long thread explaining why its a silly idea - and dangerous - and ricer - and lots of reasons why u just plain shouldnt.
next time serach - and ye will find.
mostly - dont put HID lights in the front of ur 240 unless u retrofit housings into the stock stuff - you'll spend like 1000$ easy on that.
articdragon192
12-09-2006, 08:29 PM
For HIDs youll need an H4 conversion, but HIDs in pop ups are gay because you'll hella blind incoming traffic.
smelly240
12-09-2006, 08:53 PM
its bad... mmmkay
SiCNastyS13
12-09-2006, 09:01 PM
Haha, thanks guys. I was just wondering about the HID's in the stock s13 flip ups... Im leaning towards buying a s13 Silvia front end conversion, Ill just do the HID kit on the Silvia front end, Anyone got links/ pics of a place that has good prices on the conversion front ends.
Chris
smelly240
12-09-2006, 09:05 PM
ok - thats even worse - there is no HID retrofit or housing made for that front... if u use HIDs in it you will blind people and still not be able to see... the silvia lights have hte worst cutoff/lighting ever - i know i had them for a long time and now went back to flipups
im guessing you didnt read through that link - or you would have read that all already.
articdragon192
12-09-2006, 09:11 PM
Haha, thanks guys. I was just wondering about the HID's in the stock s13 flip ups... Im leaning towards buying a s13 Silvia front end conversion, Ill just do the HID kit on the Silvia front end, Anyone got links/ pics of a place that has good prices on the conversion front ends.
Chris
Even worse. Those projectors point towards on coming traffic.
smelly240
12-09-2006, 09:24 PM
you just plain shouldnt use HID's without an oem housing made for HID's. HID doesnt mean good... the link i gave you has some info there that you must have felt was unrelated. good housings and good bulbs make good lighting - not HIDs... they made those add in HID conversions illegal for a reason.
to post an exceprt from daniel stern lighting consultation...
When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are *the* driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses: You can probably make them fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly.
here is the entire page since you didnt read through the last link (others might like htis - its good material and backed up everything ixfxi told me :)
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
SiCNastyS13
12-09-2006, 09:28 PM
Ya i had the same problem when i owned a 2002 Ford SVT focus, I had projectors on it and the lighting never really hit the road good. When i go for the silvia front conversion ima go with the halogen setup and not the projector style front lights.
Chris
smelly240
12-09-2006, 09:29 PM
that wont change the fact HID's dont work with it (i had bricks and projectors and they both blow cock)
CKAMC
12-09-2006, 09:55 PM
only mike at clearcorners will be able to provide LHD silvia front's if you really want that...but it is still expensive.
all those front end conversions are made for RHD...
you can try this if you like it since you just need to find the right projectors and aim the correctly
http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/ni18hekit.html
ohh when i said lhd and rhd i was talkin about beam pattern
articdragon192
12-09-2006, 10:03 PM
Ya i had the same problem when i owned a 2002 Ford SVT focus, I had projectors on it and the lighting never really hit the road good. When i go for the silvia front conversion ima go with the halogen setup and not the projector style front lights.
Chris
Bricks are even worse. It's still RHD "cutoff"/ beam pattern and they suck ass at lighting. Either stick with some quality H4s with good lights and updated wiring, or go Silviaprojectors up front with HID retrofit with OEM USDM projectors/HIDs.
SiCNastyS13
12-09-2006, 10:35 PM
I mainly want to convert the front end to the Silvia for the Looks of its, Lighting is nice, but isn't really much of my worrys. I'm not a drifter, i will not drift my 240. I'm building this one for the 1320 my friends. SR will come soon after the front end conversion.
Chris
drew935
12-09-2006, 10:50 PM
I have HIDS in my pop-ups. Mine don't blind since I have LHD cutoffs. And yes they still go down. I just need to get bixenon bulbs.
smelly240
12-10-2006, 12:04 AM
who said anything about drifting? we're talking about you blinding my mom and her hitting a deer... and if u think HIDs in normal H4 housings are not blinding people - u r mistaken... theres a reason they're illegal.
either pay up for 1000+$ retrofitted TL or BMW housings fitted into your stuff or dont do HID. to quote our resident lighting specialist : "Modern type housings with a competition bulb or even a Good bulb with a harness will rival any proper HID"
SiCNastyS13
12-10-2006, 12:06 AM
I was just saying that I'm not too worryed about the lighting and how it reflects. The silvia front end just looks so much cleaner.
Chris
smelly240
12-10-2006, 12:20 AM
then you arent driving the car on the street??? then wtf do you want HID's for? car shows? The problem isnt whether YOU can see... its whether you blind other people. If its a track car - you dont use the headlights anyway.
The track has its own lights...
silverarrow27
12-10-2006, 12:32 AM
I had one of those HID retrofit kits put on my very first s13 back in 2002. Still on the s13, lighting is better than stock and from experience it does not blind oncoming traffic.
SiCNastyS13
12-10-2006, 12:32 AM
Truthfully you'll only be blind for a sec. when you past me on the street, so basically it don't matter to me if i blind you with my lights...haha
Chris
Dousan_PG
12-10-2006, 12:33 AM
he doesnt get it smelly
hahahaa
its funny
do what this guy did: http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18619&sid=0687491a231ff473541c1d4dd44d788e
you need to register to see the thread. TSX projectors 4300K OEM bulbs = awesome results.
Results:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4886/dsc026373pc.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5709/dsc029320hq.jpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5927/dsc029472gs.jpg
!Zar!
12-10-2006, 01:14 AM
MUST READ before getting a drop-in HID kit! (http://www.zilvia.net/f//showthread.php?t=71415)
S13 Silvia Headlamp bulbs FAQ READ ME FIRST (headlight bulb projector halogen fog) (http://www.zilvia.net/f//showthread.php?t=38783)
S13 silvia HID question. (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=125112)
S13 Quality Lighting?? (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=119134)
This was from less than three days ago.
Why couldn't you search?
mistaanime
12-10-2006, 01:55 AM
really...why lag this thread so much..just search..want better lighting? just drive during the day!
articdragon192
12-10-2006, 02:19 AM
The projectors in the H4 unit looks like ass.
Retrofits don't cost that much if you DIY. Prices have gone down from back in '03 when I actively retrofitted.
OEM Bulbs and Ballast = $200 tops.
Projectors $100-$300
Misc. $50 tops.
So there you have it. $350-$550+ for a retrofit. I personally snagged deals on ebay and got mine done with Lexus RX330 projectors for $200 (everything).
In the HIDplanet thread, the OP stated that he lost his flip-up function. Not good, because you know you'll get jacked! The best way to retrofit would be to stick a projector into the silvia double/triple projector housing. It's been done many, many times. I've seen 2.5" TSX projectors stuck in the silvia housing, but i'm personally going for the 3" ZKW / TL Hybrid projector. Hopefullllly it fits when I gather enough money. In the case of the silvia housings, since there is a seperate high beam, you don't need bi-xenon projectors. You can rock single xenon and still have a high beam.
Oh yeah, back when I retrofitted into a popup headlight housing, I had to
watch clearance from behind the headlight. This was on a 3rd gen prelude, however the concept is still the same. Aside from space constraints, another major problem you'll have is HEADLIGHT SHAKE. I haven't personally examined the assembly, but i'm sure that old 240's will have loose and/or worn out parts in the retractor assembly, so the beam flickers up and down. Combine this with the sharp cutoff of an HID projector, and you've got trouble. Aside from the fact that it looks like you're constantly high-beaming people, you'll attract attention from the police.
Bad attention.
Really.
smelly240
12-10-2006, 10:22 AM
retrofit this :cj:
it looks like terdsauce, and this guy isnt going to retrofit the Silvia lights anyways...
he doesnt car if his car sucks - so why should we (cept for the fact hes gonna blind someones mom and shes going to hit a tree)...
he wont do any of this stuff anyway... if hes building a 240 for drag - whatever... i think its all a pipedream.
SoSideways
12-10-2006, 10:32 AM
I think it's funny that the thread starter's playing the e-thug card and all this and all that, and claims he's building his 240 for the 1320.
If it's being built for the 1320, why is he worrying about lighting and Silvia front ends and stuff? That $1000+ could easily be put into building a badass SR or KA and be well on its way to 600+ rwhp.
But nope, Silvia front conversion comes first guys.
KiDyNomiTe
12-10-2006, 11:08 AM
The projectors in the H4 unit looks like ass.
Ya, I was about to buy some cheapo H4 projector housing but I couldnt stand to look at them, and I keep my headlights up all the time.
I like my crappy but brighter than stock lighting. I have yet to kill anyone
FaLKoN240
12-10-2006, 12:10 PM
Basically everyone on this forum is an HID specialist now because they listened to what Mike from clearcorners.com said. If you want to get the real deal and some good advice go to HIDplanet.com or Clearcorners.com
(I don't care if someone already said that.)
Walperstyle
12-10-2006, 02:43 PM
Like I was telling some guy on NWN, as the regular lights, HID's are stupid.
HID's should be used when you are by yourself, as a high-beam with the regular lights and proper scatter.
This way you dont piss other people off and you have a good range of lighting. But if you do setup hi-beam as a HID light, PLEASE DO NOT FLASH THEM (you'll destroy em)
smelly240
12-10-2006, 02:54 PM
such a pointless thread posted by another 240sx dreamer...
Walperstyle
12-10-2006, 03:13 PM
^its good to have idea's and ask questions. It could be worse. He could have thrown on some retarded bright lights on there and killed someone. Or just kill his battery.
Like I was telling some guy on NWN, as the regular lights, HID's are stupid.
HID's should be used when you are by yourself, as a high-beam with the regular lights and proper scatter.
This way you dont piss other people off and you have a good range of lighting. But if you do setup hi-beam as a HID light, PLEASE DO NOT FLASH THEM (you'll destroy em)
HID kits with no cutoff are stupid. OEM hid with perfect cutoff are right. They don't blind anyone. Unless the car is like coming up at an angle. There's alot more to automotive lighting technology than throwing bulbs in a housing.
smelly240
12-10-2006, 08:50 PM
^its good to have idea's and ask questions. It could be worse. He could have thrown on some retarded bright lights on there and killed someone. Or just kill his battery.
i dont disagree that its good to ask - but acting G* like "i dont care" when told over and over its not right or legal (not that silvia fronts are legal anyway) and making up excuses why he's gonna be good to go with his HID's in this "drag car" is really not cool... When people try to help and promote the right way to do stuff (including links and material to help a guy that asked) and then the asker gets all 9yr old "i want hids cause they're perty for my supa fast racing car" it wastes all of our time. In case you didnt notice he doesnt care that he can blind people.
Think of other people a lil bit when u pick out ur lighting - and remember the safer they are - the safer u are driving beside them on the road.
SiCNastyS13
12-11-2006, 12:41 AM
Whoa sry guys, didn't know that was "G" talk... First off, i took and read everything you guys posted and said about lighting and learned more about HIDs 2nd off, here comes the dislike of my "drag" build 240 instead of the "Everyone that has a 240 slidin into a tree b/c everyone else is doing it..." And your right about me wanting my "600whp SR ..street car.. to look good while going down the drag strip. Like I've already stated I like the look of the Silvia front end. Now to do HIDs the right way...I will do it..THE RIGHT WAY! I dont half a$$ stuff. So please dont try to be an a$$ to someone who just asked some things about HIDs...Thanks
Chris
Thread's done. OP learned what he needed to know.
retrofit this :cj:
it looks like terdsauce, and this guy isnt going to retrofit the Silvia lights anyways...
he doesnt car if his car sucks - so why should we (cept for the fact hes gonna blind someones mom and shes going to hit a tree)...
he wont do any of this stuff anyway... if hes building a 240 for drag - whatever... i think its all a pipedream.
Stop being a jackass. Simply because you are a donating member, you are NOT the shit.
So stop acting like it.
ixfxi
12-11-2006, 01:19 PM
Basically everyone on this forum is an HID specialist now because they listened to what Mike from clearcorners.com said. If you want to get the real deal and some good advice go to HIDplanet.com or Clearcorners.com
I dont agree, actually. I think people are just THINKING and UNDERSTANDING some of the things I've said, thats all.
There are some forums, with people who just dont care OR listen - like Miata.net or the Corolla forums. People install RHD headlamps and match it with an HID kit, or they just install an HID kit and thats that - they think its good, OEM lighting - its not.
I am happy that people on there are listening, thinking, or atleast trying to understand. You dont need to be a specialist or a pro, you just need to understand the difference between right and wrong.
The other day another S14 owner came by and I talked him out of going HID. Instead, he purchased some bulbs for his 97-98 S14 that were a million times better than the cheap blue coated overpriced shit some vendor had sold him. So, thats money in his pocket from avoiding an H1 shit-retrofit-kit, and money that he'll have should he decide to bite the bullet and go with a REAL lighting setup.
Why do I say REAL lighting setup? Well, because local customers have the luxury of coming to our office and SEEING stuff first hand, in person, where we can compare cheap shit, mediocre, and good stuff all side-by-side.
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