Should I attempt the swap....

[wheresthaboost?]

Alright so based on the replies of my other thread I want to go back to my original idea which was to do the rb25 swap myself. Im 15 turning 16 in march, I got an avererage (prob below average here on zilvia :D ) amount of knowledge of motors in general and what it takes to do a swap, I got a shitload of time, and I'de be willing to get the tools I need. I'de def. be getting alot of help from here on zilvia and hopefully from any locals who have done the swap. Also, ever since I moved to P-cola I havent really had shit to do so I would be pretty dedicated to it. So, from those of you who've done the swap, should I even attempt it?

Edit: Taking everyones advice, im looking for a stock zenki and I plan on making suspension mods and such until im ready for the rb. Thanks for the help guys, I hope everyone who replies to the thread has read this 1st..

[TipStylez]

DO IT!

Just make sure you have everything to get it running, and rember...Mark all the bolts in a zip loc or them lil storange containers so you dont lose them or end up figuring out what bolt goes were in the end...

[qwikspool]

yeah go for it. it feels good at the end that you did the job your self.

[CarloSR]

Go fot it.

1231344

[Phlip]

I say go for it.
AFTER:
1) buy running stock car
2) learn the car
3) suspension/brakes
4) RE learn the car
5) see if you can get some seat time in a controlled environment in someone's car with power level similar to what you seek
6) do not rush the swap, do it right the first time, it'll be more cost-effective in the long run.


... yes, I am mainly saying this because of your age.

[wheresthaboost?]

I say go for it.
AFTER:
1) buy running stock car
2) learn the car
3) suspension/brakes
4) RE learn the car
5) see if you can get some seat time in a controlled environment in someone's car with power level similar to what you seek
6) do not rush the swap, do it right the first time, it'll be more cost-effective in the long run.


... yes, I am mainly saying this because of your age.

yeah my moms now in the process of getting a second car for lengthy trips she takes every once in a while (long story) and that'll become my "beater" while im working on the swap :naughty:

In addition, im pretty firm with my decision to go with the swap now after reading through kouki s14's and Tenchuu's write-ups. Im probably going to be lookin for a front clip in the next month and aquiring all the parts I need (mounts and shit), although i still need an s14 :D Wish me luck guys and if you know of a stock kouki in my area hit me up.

[theicecreamdan]

If you can pull off the swap yourself, and still keep time for studying and doing good in school then go for it. But if you waste too much time swapping engines instead of getting into college, then in a couple years you won't have your parents money to spend on cars anymore. Remember that.

[Phlip]

yeah my moms now in the process of getting a second car for lengthy trips she takes every once in a while (long story) and that'll become my "beater" while im working on the swap :naughty:

In addition, im pretty firm with my decision to go with the swap now after reading through kouki s14's and Tenchuu's write-ups. Im probably going to be lookin for a front clip in the next month and aquiring all the parts I need (mounts and shit), although i still need an s14 :D Wish me luck guys and if you know of a stock kouki in my area hit me up.
No, you missed what I said, I mean buy a stock 240SX and do what I said, in the order in which I presented it.

[Jefferson]

You really should buy the car BEFORE you buy your clip.
What if you drive the car stock and have to fix it but don't have the money because you blew it all on the swap that you can't put in now?
Also some advice from experience make sure you have like an extra grand chilling in the bank because something unforeseen always happens while doing a swap(like shit breaking, missing...)
Either way good luck on your project and you shouldn't have trouble finding help

[wheresthaboost?]

You really should buy the car BEFORE you buy your clip.
What if you drive the car stock and have to fix it but don't have the money because you blew it all on the swap that you can't put in now?
Also some advice from experience make sure you have like an extra grand chilling in the bank because something unforeseen always happens while doing a swap(like shit breaking, missing...)
Either way good luck on your project and you shouldn't have trouble finding help

Sorry if you misunderstood but yeah ill def be buying the car before the clip, thanx though..

[theicecreamdan]

edit: nevermind you answered that.

I wouldnt bother swapping to RB until after you either blow up the KA or at least put some effort into the driving of said car. Drive with KA, lower the car, get nice wheels, good tires, and a diff.

Its gonna suck having a beast under the hood that can only get moving on one leg.

[lilredstiffy]

I'd do it. You'd be the coolest guy at your high school

[ThatGuy]

Buying the car first = Good idea

Performing a swap and putting more power into a car a car you don't know = Bad Idea

As was stated...
Buy Car
Learn Car
Fix Car
Re-Learn Car
Then think about more power

[wheresthaboost?]

No, you missed what I said, I mean buy a stock 240SX and do what I said, in the order in which I presented it.

ohhhhh yeah sorry I misread, Ill prob have the car for about a month before I start the swap but I wont be getting much more seat time than that (atleast not in the 240).

[theicecreamdan]

how much experience do you have driving anything?

[Phlip]

ohhhhh yeah sorry I misread, Ill prob have the car for about a month before I start the swap but I wont be getting much more seat time than that (atleast not in the 240).
That is the polar opposite of what I suggest someone your age and experience level do. No, I do not doubt your ability to follow instructions enough to actually complete the swap, and I am not going to spend even a moment on where the money for it will come from.
What I am saying is that the swap should be the LAST thing you do. Buy a car with working KA and learn to drive it well, then you upgrade EVERYTHING except the engine (suspension, brakes, differential), then learn to drive the car again (yes, it IS that different), THEN you go for the engine swap.
Jumping into a swapped car with little/no experience at that power level and without necessary supporting modifications is the recipe for another "240SX wrapped around a telephone pole" story.

[wheresthaboost?]

That is the polar opposite of what I suggest someone your age and experience level do. No, I do not doubt your ability to follow instructions enough to actually complete the swap, and I am not going to spend even a moment on where the money for it will come from.
What I am saying is that the swap should be the LAST thing you do. Buy a car with working KA and learn to drive it well, then you upgrade EVERYTHING except the engine (suspension, brakes, differential), then learn to drive the car again (yes, it IS that different), THEN you go for the engine swap.
Jumping into a swapped car with little/no experience at that power level and without necessary supporting modifications is the recipe for another "240SX wrapped around a telephone pole" story.

I gotcha now and I think I am going to take your advice, for right now im still looking for a kouki but I dont think I'll worry bout swapping until schools over (around june/july). Thanx for all the help guys...

[s13speeddrft]

you still jsut dont get anything these guys are trying to tell you. You are 15 so have you ever had any significant seat time in anything? It will take longer than till july to buy suspension and all that stuff that comes before the swap and learn the car enough to boost up in power. You need more seat time than that.

[wheresthaboost?]

you still jsut dont get anything these guys are trying to tell you. You are 15 so have you ever had any significant seat time in anything? It will take longer than till july to buy suspension and all that stuff that comes before the swap and learn the car enough to boost up in power. You need more seat time than that.

I know how to drive, never driven anything rwd though, I thought 6-7 months would be a good enough time to wait to get aquainted with the car...

[ThatGuy]

That's enough time to acquaint yourself with a stock car. But you have to relearn some things once you upgrade the brakes, and the suspension, put in a better diferential, etc. etc. :duh:

[NemeGuero]

rb25 isn't a motor.
its an engine


First.. outdrive the limits of the stock 240. Then modify.

[aznpoopy]

I know how to drive, never driven anything rwd though, I thought 6-7 months would be a good enough time to wait to get aquainted with the car...

you still not getting it.

they don't mean learn how to drive as in driving out to the supermarket or going to school in the morning. they mean learn how to drive as in getting your ass on a track and leanring to drive fast without spinning out and killing yourself.

if you can't manage that in a ka24de, you sure as hell won't be able to handle a rb25det.

motorswap is the last thing you should worry about. if you buy a s14 and put a rb25 in it, what do you have? you'll have a high hp car on old ass stock brakes, crappy stock suspension, stock wheels with skinny rubber, with a inexperienced driver.

the car is a system. more power requires wider rubber, which requires wider wheels and bigger brakes, and at the minimum refurbished suspension.

if all you want to do is build a car, then you will need the money to buy the car, do all the mods listed above and then have money left over to do the rb25. that's alot of freakin money.

and all of that is still useless if you don't have a driver who knows what he's doing.

[!Zar!]

But dawg you don't be felling me. I gots to have a hella sick s14 with a hella sick engine you don't even be fellin me mang! I don't drive like dem otha boyz I know my stuff!


I suggest purchasing a 95 zenki, because it's utterly pointless to purchase a kouki which will most likely have a low mileage ka which you'll be essentially throwing away.

So with the money you save, you can have more money to get the car up and running and then purchase a kouki front later.

Who fed info to you that the ka is crap?

You're going about this all in the wrong way.

You haven't even gotten the car are you are setting pretty high standards.

First do exactly what PHLIP said.

1) buy running stock car
2) learn the car
3) suspension/brakes
4) RE learn the car
5) see if you can get some seat time in a controlled environment in someone's car with power level similar to what you seek
6) do not rush the swap, do it right the first time, it'll be more cost-effective in the long run.

What made you choose the rb25?


Wait a second...

WTF did you start a thread which is a damn near clone of your other one?

It's not like what was said in that thread is any different.
Hows this s14 for my first car? (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=127141)

[infinitexsound]

buy a motor set fuck the front clip..... buy a stand alone... and the mounts to make the swap work.... and one of those cheap ass ebay fmic kits... and ur good to go..... id rather wire in a stand alone then a stock oem harness... from the money u save from not buying a front clip.. it should be adequate.... microtech,haltech,motec,autronic, even the ghetto SDS efi.. anythings better then the oem harness.. i say..

[wheresthaboost?]

But dawg you don't be felling me. I gots to have a hella sick s14 with a hella sick engine you don't even be fellin me mang! I don't drive like dem otha boyz I know my stuff!


I suggest purchasing a 95 zenki, because it's utterly pointless to purchase a kouki which will most likely have a low mileage ka which you'll be essentially throwing away.

So with the money you save, you can have more money to get the car up and running and then purchase a kouki front later.

Who fed info to you that the ka is crap?

You're going about this all in the wrong way.

You haven't even gotten the car are you are setting pretty high standards.

First do exactly what PHLIP said.


What made you choose the rb25?


Wait a second...

WTF did you start a thread which is a damn near clone of your other one?

It's not like what was said in that thread is any different.
Hows this s14 for my first car? (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=127141)


lol Ive already decided that ill be looking for a zenki and eventually putting a kouki front on, I never said the ka is crap and I just wanted to see what everyone thought of someone my age and with my experience attempting to do an rb swap. I like the rb because I wouldnt have to modify it to have relativley good power and I could keep it stock. Also, the thread that you mentioned is totally different, I started it to get opinions on the s14 I was looking into and have now dismissed...

buy a motor set fuck the front clip..... buy a stand alone... and the mounts to make the swap work.... and one of those cheap ass ebay fmic kits... and ur good to go..... id rather wire in a stand alone then a stock oem harness... from the money u save from not buying a front clip.. it should be adequate.... microtech,haltech,motec,autronic, even the ghetto SDS efi.. anythings better then the oem harness.. i say..

If I do do the swap im not gonna be fucking with the wiring...

[gotta240]

well, i do give you respect for not flipping out at everyone putting your ideas down...

They do have a point though... Regardless of your age, even if you were 40, i would recomend driving and getting used to the STOCK car first. RWD is a lot different, and everytime you change a part on ANY car, it will take getting used to

[S14DB]

I say own the car for a year before attempting any major modifications such as an engine swap.

I also say allow 3 months of owning the car before doing anything but a tune up. Then get into Suspension and I/H/E allowing at least a month to pass between each upgrade. By the time you have the suspension built you should be ready to swap.

[yokotas13]

if you cant swap it, you shouldnt drive it

[theicecreamdan]

i disagree with that. Your ability to install an engine has no bearing on whether you can drive it or not. Mechanical knowledge is not driving knowledge.

[!Zar!]

So you have 8k to spend on the swap?

And another 4~k for a s14?

I'd suggest upgrading your car in terms of handeling first.

Just because you can drop a engine in doesn't mean the car can handle it.

Stop fast to go fast. Get z32 brakes or some form up upgraded brakes.

Then get suspension.

Then further down the road get power.

Look into a ka-t setup.

It's ALOT cheaper.

[yokotas13]

i disagree with that. Your ability to install an engine has no bearing on whether you can drive it or not. Mechanical knowledge is not driving knowledge.
look at it this way

If you can put it in, you know what was done when it went in
You can take it out to fix it
Repair your own shit

save $$$$$$
more trackdays, nad parts and tires, and stuff in general

thats what i meant to say


and your mechanical ability DIRECTLY relates to if you make it home after a wreck or not

[kouki_s14]

its not a HARD swap, you just gotta be a good problem solver, because you will run into problems that will force you to be creative.
be prepared with at least $6,000 to pay for everything (this amount includes motor and bunch of stuff you need) Greddy intake manifold will cost more.
i cant tell you what to do about the swap, you'll probably do it regardless of what people say on the forums, but i do agree you must learn to drive the car first. Considering the fact that you're 15 years old, you dont have your license right? which means you dont have too much driving experience unless you drive without a license.
Do what makes you happy, just be careful and dont crash such an expensive project. Be smart about things, thats all i have to say. Good luck with everything

[Phlip]

lol Ive already decided that ill be looking for a zenki and eventually putting a kouki front on, I never said the ka is crap and I just wanted to see what everyone thought of someone my age and with my experience attempting to do an rb swap. I like the rb because I wouldnt have to modify it to have relativley good power and I could keep it stock. Also, the thread that you mentioned is totally different, I started it to get opinions on the s14 I was looking into and have now dismissed...



If I do do the swap im not gonna be fucking with the wiring...
Dude, I have spoken back to the text in your post here with EVERYTHING I have responded with. I am not telling you NOT to do it, I am telling you how to do it if you plan to have the car any longer than a month after getting the engine in it without killing yourself and/or the car in the process.
You're not even 16 yet, but you want to undertake the engine swap and look to do the work yourself, I applaud your fervor, but I have and will continue to tell you that your focus is in the wrong place at the wrong. Have you not been paying attention to what you're being told? Learn to drive the car first, then modify the driveline for more power, THEN learn to drive the car modified, THEN aim for more power. It has been stated several times here, I don't know if it can be stated any more succinctly without the posts in response becoming more "flames" in nature, I actually commend my own and others' patience with this thread.

[S13FREEAAK]

Ok, I have some experience in your situation. I'm 18 now, I was in your shoes when I was 15. I got my first 240 3 months before I turned 16. I drove it stock for that whole summer, I learned how to drive it. I attended every AutoX in my area that summer. You won't believe how much fun the stock 240 is, they have plenty of power for someone to learn to drive hard with. you won't really want a swap right away after you actually drive the car in an event or something. The next spring I put coilovers, some 16s with 245/45/16s, 5 lug, q45 brakes. Then I ran the car until August like that. And believe everyone on here, the car felt completely different. I had to relearn it and it was soo much fun. Then in August I built the KA and turboed it. It was aroung 350-400whp. And I highly suggest you don't have a turboed car for awhile. And now the car has a full cage more suspension, bigger wheels, and its getting a ~550hp set up. Doing it this way is awesome, gradually build your car. I now have a built S13 and a stock S14 for a daily. I haven't been in a single accident, and I credit that to autoxing once I got my license.

So in short, get a stock 240, leave it stock. Attend a bunch of Autox's and HPDE's, do suspension, wheels, brakes, do more events, then worry about power.

[psychoblue23]

So you have 8k to spend on the swap?

And another 4~k for a s14?

I'd suggest upgrading your car in terms of handeling first.

Just because you can drop a engine in doesn't mean the car can handle it.

Stop fast to go fast. Get z32 brakes or some form up upgraded brakes.

Then get suspension.

Then further down the road get power.

Look into a ka-t setup.

It's ALOT cheaper.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to !Zar! again."
+1 for you sir.. thats the best idea I can think of.

I dont want to jump the gun and assume anything about your driving skills.. but it always helps to make sure you can 1. Handle the power and 2. Stop it from going out of control. Do that then wory about soem huge RB swap.

[theicecreamdan]

a stock s14 is not ready for an RB
a 16 year old kid is not ready for an RB

and yokota, if you can afford to do an RB swap you can afford a tow truck home from the track. Just because you can save money by doing a swap yourself doesn't mean necesarily that you shouldn't get it done if that is an option for you.

[wheresthaboost?]

Dude, I have spoken back to the text in your post here with EVERYTHING I have responded with. I am not telling you NOT to do it, I am telling you how to do it if you plan to have the car any longer than a month after getting the engine in it without killing yourself and/or the car in the process.
You're not even 16 yet, but you want to undertake the engine swap and look to do the work yourself, I applaud your fervor, but I have and will continue to tell you that your focus is in the wrong place at the wrong. Have you not been paying attention to what you're being told? Learn to drive the car first, then modify the driveline for more power, THEN learn to drive the car modified, THEN aim for more power. It has been stated several times here, I don't know if it can be stated any more succinctly without the posts in response becoming more "flames" in nature, I actually commend my own and others' patience with this thread.

Sorry if I didnt make it clear but I am taking your advice, im looking for a stock s14 to learn on and when I do get it ill be making suspension modifications and such until im ready for the big swap...

[yokotas13]

a stock s14 is not ready for an RB
a 16 year old kid is not ready for an RB

and yokota, if you can afford to do an RB swap you can afford a tow truck home from the track. Just because you can save money by doing a swap yourself doesn't mean necesarily that you shouldn't get it done if that is an option for you.
but there in also lies the problem
People scrap up all the money that they can, and put everything into an engine swap. Leaving nothing in case something happens.

I personally, wouldnt do an engine swap unless i at least put the engine in. It takes a day or less depending on how fast or motivated you are.
then buy one of the premade harnesses and have at it. its not a hard swap. Use it as a learning tool

[TurK]

i see you live on the panhandle as well....id say before you even think about the swap find a 240 to drive....i have a zenki that im putting back together..might sell it here soon.

[TurK]

also check out www.racingpensacola.com

[KA-T_240]

I totally agree with what the others have stated in this thread. but i do disagree on one thing. If you plan to swap the car, there is not point in doing the header. it would be wasting your $$$ for the swap. buy an ebay intake and do your 3inch exhaust.

getting to know the car stock is extremely important.

i bought my car blown up. completely stripped engine bay. did auto to five speed and a built KA in it. drove it NA for 6months and loved it, then turboed it. upgraded the brakes and got an LSD. But wish i did at least some of the suspension first.

[azndummie]

I feel the same way as s13 freak, although i did get an s14 kouki, which i love and i modified slowly, but was also very fucking expensive. I did attend some events which taught me a hell of a lot. In some ways it took me a while to get used to suspension mods, and other mods which made the car a world of a difference. Some other mods that aren't even engine mods can provide a different feel that is more than that of an engine swap. A stock ka is very good for learning on.

[bardabe]

I know how to drive, never driven anything rwd though, I thought 6-7 months would be a good enough time to wait to get aquainted with the car...
dude take it from me you canot I mean CAN NOT learn a car in 6 months. im 17 ive been driving since i was 12. (track time not street) ive been driving an S13 for 2 years now. first i upgraded suspension. and had to relearn the car, then I upgrated brakes and again had to get used ot the car. then I did an SR swap and had to get used ot the car yet again. then I did RHD and once again Im still trying ot learn the car. its been exacly 8 months since i did the RHD. its not easy, sure enough i can drive the car straigh and what not, not swerve in trafic etc. That dosen't mean you knwo your car. Knowing the way your car handles is knowing exacly how long it takes you to go from ____ speed to completly stoped, the distance it will take, teh reaction the car will have to it. Also how fast you can go through a turn before the cars starts sliping, how the car reacts to countersteer, braking/more gas. basically fuilly understand how the car will resppond to any sort of movement. not only driving like an old lady but as well as when you are having a spirited drive. I can call you a kid because ive gone through all this. and fellow zilvians such as john griff know what im talking about.

Yeah I am the coolest kid in school but don't get too cocky as you will also get haters. think about it.

oh and for your info i got:
S13 coupe
Silvia Frotn end
S13 blacktop SR
RHD conversion
HKS Carbon Ti exhaust (FS)
HKS downpipe
HKS SSQV
Kinetic Sports FMIC
SARD Fuel pressure regulator
Silvia Front and rear brakes
and more stuff i can;t think of right now.

so do your research, learn your car well. then decide what you want.
:newbie:

[ilia]

You might think you know how to drive, but learning to really drive takes years and years. I still improve every single day I get back out on the twisties or to a track. Before you go and put a motor in that will be capable of huge exit speeds, massive burnouts, etc... learn how to handle a car. It is NOT easy

[silverarrow27]

I don't think it's the swap you should be worried about, it's the money. I say go for it if you really want and you don't have to follow what some of these guys here are saying. If you want to start out with an rb25 powered stock s14, go for it. You just have to be smart about your driving and your whim of burning tires or street racing is going to have to be toned down. Everyone is different and that's what makes us all unique.

Good thing about starting off with a good powered stock car is that you'll get use to it pretty fast and start upgrading from there if you want. You'll know what needs to be worked on, such as better traction or wether it's stronger brakes. Eventually you'll get to everything, I'd actually recommend going with KA-T, SR, or CA for you just because of your age. It's not driving wise for your age; I think it's the cost, easier to work on a 4 cylinder engine than a 6 cylinder, and less money for maintenance. If you can afford to maintain the engine then go for it. Seeing as how you may not have a job yet and may still go to college, think realistically here. I'm sure your mom doesn't want to blow $20+k into your s14 for you. Believe me it can reach there FAST unexpectedly.

If you can afford an rb25 swap and replace whatever else that breaks then you're good to go. Just hope you're not going to depend on your mom for money and other car related stuff. If you're independent when it comes to cars, then go for it. If you're still asking Mom for money and help...highly doubt it's going to happen for you. It's all self-motivation and I'm not sure if you've mentioned it yet, but are you working or thinking about working in the very very near future?

[180sExy]

:ugh: wow thats kinda scary a kid that has never driven a rwd car owning a 240 with a rb in it!:ugh:

[NemeGuero]

Being able to drive a shitty car fast > being able to drive a fast car, shittily

[Dousan_PG]

my god is everyone here PUSSIES

RWD
get over yourself
you guys make it sound like RWD is so DANGEROUS

shit is like any other car
i cant believe you say this shit
all thsoe folks overseas in the UK, Japan, etc etc who get these cars STOCK are still alive

everyone on here needs to get over themselvss like RWD is some new danger technology


for the Original poster
go for it
do it
if u need help do research and get some locals to help you out
dont mind the haters

rwd..give me a break.

[Phlip]

Actually, no Aaron, what I was saying is that 15-16 year olds in the US can't fucking drive and it would not be wise sticking a high-horse engine in a car that he does not yet know how to handle. You telling me that your first car was someone's fully-built monster and that you were born with the innate ability to NEVER have lost control, or did you have to learn like the rest of us?
The fact of the matter here is that I was telling the kid that he would be building the car TERRIBLY out of order if he STARTS with the RB swap and I THOUGHT I had explained why.
"all those folks overseas in the UK, Japan, etc etc who get these cars STOCK are still alive" are still alive because of the restrictions on actually GETTING fucking drivers license there. In the states, any retard 16 years old who can hold a car in a traffic pattern, signal for turns and complete a 3-point turn and acquires insurance (sometimes not even that) has a fucking driver's license.

[wheresthaboost?]

my god is everyone here PUSSIES

RWD
get over yourself
you guys make it sound like RWD is so DANGEROUS

shit is like any other car
i cant believe you say this shit
all thsoe folks overseas in the UK, Japan, etc etc who get these cars STOCK are still alive

everyone on here needs to get over themselvss like RWD is some new danger technology


for the Original poster
go for it
do it
if u need help do research and get some locals to help you out
dont mind the haters

rwd..give me a break.

Thank god someone came out and said it lol Im not saying that what everyones saying here is false but I mean c'mon, your blowing that shit just a little out of proportion... Although I still wont be doing the swap until school ends and im now considering an rb20 :)

[Dousan_PG]

insert what you said here

bahahaha
bull crap
your making a random ASSumption about this kid and young folks around the USA/world etc

sure, there are a few bad apples
but not everyone is a total jackass behind the wheel.


and here's a new flash phlip
in many places around the world
people drive w/o licesnses, jsut like here
the more you travel the more you find out
every where is the same. here there over there
people are just as fuckign stupid
people are just as sneaky and smart

as far as restictoins. license or no license. ive been to japan. ive been out touge. some of those kids trying arent over 17. so just becuase you got a license, doesnt make you the sharpest tool in th shed. if i had to get a license so ican go drift, ill drive like a bitch till i get one. and when i do, ITS ON.

let this kid be
do what you want
its your life. enjoy it!

[SimpleSexy180]

well it all depends...because some people are naturals at driving. I can undertsand that their is some fucktard 16 year old kids that just drive like crap, but we dont know much about this kid and reading from his posts so far he seems like he wants to go the right route.

But i do agree with dousan about the whole "OMG RWD DANGEROUS!!". Its exaggerated. Thats my opinion, maybe that because my family has owned ONE vehicle that wasnt rwd that they didnt even own for more then 2 years so i guess i grew up driving a little different than most.

[SimpleSexy180]

Thank god someone came out and said it lol Im not saying that what everyones saying here is false but I mean c'mon, your blowing that shit just a little out of proportion... Although I still wont be doing the swap until school ends and im now considering an rb20 :)


why do you consider an rb20 now?

[Phlip]

Thank god someone came out and said it lol Im not saying that what everyones saying here is false but I mean c'mon, your blowing that shit just a little out of proportion... Although I still wont be doing the swap until school ends and im now considering an rb20 :)
No, don't change your song now that you thing that you have someone on your side.
Tell you what, swap the RB in the car, go out and drive like the jackasses that Dousan described. In the process you will ruin yet another 240SX for the rest of the people who might not have shitted one like that, and further stained the reputation of the community when you wrap yourself around a telephone pole showing off your drifting skills.
Do me a favor, though, don't die when you wreck the car, at least do the community the favor of living to part the car out when you're done trashing it.

[wheresthaboost?]

No, don't change your song now that you thing that you have someone on your side.
Tell you what, swap the RB in the car, go out and drive like the jackasses that Dousan described. In the process you will ruin yet another 240SX for the rest of the people who might not have shitted one like that, and further stained the reputation of the community when you wrap yourself around a telephone pole showing off your drifting skills.
Do me a favor, though, don't die when you wreck the car, at least do the community the favor of living to part the car out when you're done trashing it.

Change my song? I havent changed anything. Since before he even replied to my thread I had decided to wait a while to do the swap. In addition, im not one of these little drifting fanboys who busts a nut everytime they see tokyo drift and when I do get my 240 im not gonna be risking my life (and others) doing stupid shit in public. I chose the 240 because of its styling and the possibility of descent power under the hood. Thanks for jumping to your conclusions though, if I do end up trashing it you can ride my ass about it all you want. Till then keep that shit to yourself. Thanks

[wheresthaboost?]

why do you consider an rb20 now?

Overall swap would be much cheaper, still descent power and good reliability.

[Phlip]

Change my song? I havent changed anything. Since before he even replied to my thread I had decided to wait a while to do the swap. In addition, im not one of these little drifting fanboys who busts a nut everytime they see tokyo drift and when I do get my 240 im not gonna be risking my life (and others) doing stupid shit in public. I chose the 240 because of its styling and the possibility of descent power under the hood. Thanks for jumping to your conclusions though, if I do end up trashing it you can ride my ass about it all you want. Till then keep that shit to yourself. Thanks
Gee, if you were not some drifting fanboy, you put on a good enough uniform to look like one, looking directly at swapping engine before you even had the car. I still remain unapologetic. My answer to the original question asked remains the same.

[wheresthaboost?]

Gee, if you were not some drifting fanboy, you put on a good enough uniform to look like one, looking directly at swapping engine before you even had the car. I still remain unapologetic. My answer to the original question asked remains the same.

Sorry if I like to have an idea of what I might do with the car before I do it. As for as your answer goes, it was a good one and I dont expect you to be apologetic.

[breakindrifts]

Buy the fucking car first. RB20 is a piece of shit thta will be unreliable and hard to find parts for. Just use a KA, you can still kick ass with it doing drift/autoX/road-race. Once you know what you are doing, then swap. Engine swap is easy enough.

[TKfoshori]

Just learn stock. like everyone says. everyone with far more experience than you. If you learn to drive that stock 240, while adding suspension first (if you dont already know suspension is the most important) when you do get that rb imagine how much more gangster you will be! rb20,rb25 whatever learn how to control the car, and make it a second nature to countersteer, brake, all that. either way you have a ka to thrash on while you learn! just be smart, and keep it on the track, or far from people. BE SAFE!

[aznpoopy]

lots of stuff


i half agree and half disagree

i think a modded rb25det in an otherwise worn out stock 240sx on some skinny and old all season tires is a bad idea for someome new to driving.

i don't think a stockish s13 sr or a rb20det raises the same concerns. but, imo, there is a better way to do things than engine swap first.

[NemeGuero]

Word... Of course there are different view points and people consider all types people in the spectrum...

ballers and douches alike

[fliprayzin240sx]

Fuck it...go ahead and buy a 240, and stick the RB in there before you do anything else. Let us know how it feels when the rear end slides out in the rain for the first time youve ever driven it, and then you slam into the curve cuz of the extra power that you have in a car that you didnt get familiar with enough.

Fact of the matter...i doubt that you have enough driving experience period. Your lack of driving experience, throw a high torque rwd vehicle, the natural urge to speed in a fast car, new found freedom of having a car, have a couple of friends in the car == perfect recipe for a disaster. No im not looking down at you, Im saying this cuz most of us has gone thru this shiet. I was 21 when i bought my Kouki. Ive been driving since I was 15 so i wouldnt call myself inexperienced. The first time I lost control of my car in the rain nearly gave me a heart attack. Luckily I didnt hit anything but it will happen. I wasnt doing anything out of the ordinary, trying to get into an on ramp, slowed down into the turn doing 15 mph, slick road, end up 180 facing on coming traffic. Loosing control on a rwd car is completely different to a fwd vehicle. Learn the cars tendencies first, and know your own driving limit.

Also, how mechanically competent are you? Saying that you know how to turn a wrench wont mean shiet. An engine swap isnt something that you just decide to do on your own. Even if you have guidance online, it wont necessarily tell you every single thing. Alot of it is gonna be figuring shiet out on your own. Ask around, i doubt anybody in here has done an engine swap on their own, when theyve never even done their own tune up. Only chance you have in succeeding in attempting something this mechanically complicated is having somebody physically there to guide you with every single thing. Again, Im saying this from personal experience, when I did my SR swap, I was barely mechanically capable. If it wasnt from friends of mine who kept an eye on me (bailing me out when i get stumped on something), I would have never completed it. It took me over 2 yrs floating around 240 forums to have enough knowledge for me to even consider doing a swap.

[datboibrad]

why waste 6 grand on an rb when there are far better options. hell why even go rb25 over a ka (unless you plan on getting into the 800whp+ category).

im far from pro nissan on motors but yet and still i wouldnt knock any of them. my issue is bang for the buck vs hype. spend 6 grand on a better motor than an rb. ill let you figure out the rest.

[theicecreamdan]

I agree that people overdo the whole RWD is dangerous for kids.

but there's a LOT that a stock 240 can teach you about driving that you might miss out on if you just swap in an RB on day one. ANybody can drive a fast car fast. But if you can drive a slow car fast, then you will blow people away in a fast car.

One of my roommates has an E36 325is and the other has a 2000 mitsubishi mirage. We were all gonna go out one rainy night, and the BMW guy insists we take the mirage because its "safer" Keep in mind that this mirage literally has the WORST crash ratings of any car in the USA. Yeah, somebody is hyped on the rear wheel drive myths.