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csingham
07-11-2002, 12:49 PM
he's running to cuba folks
obtained from freshalloy.com
'89 240SX Coupe for sale with SR SWAP.
The body of the car is in OK shape, it will need a paint job and a new windshield. Brand new tires with chrome tri-star rims.
Upgrades include -
SR20DET REDTOP (Approx 40,000 Miles)
Greddy 1.2 mm head gasket
Greddy 2 row radiator
Greddy intake manifold
Greddy Gauges:
Air/Fuel
Boost
Fuel Pressure
Oil pressure
Water temp
EGT
Blitz LM front mount intercooler
Blitz stainless down pipe
Blitz SUS air filter kit
Blitz 550 injectors
HKS Cams (264 in and 264 ex)
HKS cam gears
HKS Super S BOV
A'pexi GT-Spec Exhasut
A'pexi rev speed meter
A'pexi Super AFC
A'pexi AVC-R
A'pexi tach
Heavy Throttle test pipe
Heavy Throttle hot pipe
Jun valve spring
Jun titianum retainors
Upgraded turbo (inquire)
Splitfire ignition coil packs
Z32 MAF
There might be other things that I may have forgot. Please e-mail me with any questions.
[email protected]
luey02
07-11-2002, 02:29 PM
damn, what compels one to hate so much... how are you gonna make shit up about people when you dont know somebody. maybe he's selling his car to refund people's money.. damn, you worthless low life..
rockout
07-11-2002, 02:38 PM
I'm pretty sure he was trying to throw some humor into the mix. I have visions of Ian running off to Cuba and i giggle when i think of it. foshizzlemynizzle.
csingham
07-11-2002, 02:45 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ July 11 2002,3:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">damn, what compels one to hate so much... how are you gonna make shit up about people when you dont know somebody. maybe he's selling his car to refund people's money.. damn, you worthless low life..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
what makes me hates someone? when they don't return calls, set up deals and don't have the ballz to come forward to explain them selves, when they don't answer their business phone, ect.
low life, err better turn that one around. Are you saying that someone that takes in 1000+ trying to sell his car to refund money through his business. THAT money should not even touch his bank account. you can't even back what you said up!
rancid240
07-12-2002, 05:15 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">damn, what compels one to hate so much... how are you gonna make shit up about people when you dont know somebody. maybe he's selling his car to refund people's money.. damn, you worthless low life..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
So why hasnt he posted here? And whered he get the ca$$h for all that shit...hmmm....let me get my "BS DETECTOR KIT" out...
95silvia
07-12-2002, 03:59 PM
You know, i am tired of you peeps that are pissed off at lostprojects.com and IAN for shit.
Half of you don't have ANYTHING to do with it, don't have any products ordered. You are just bitching like a mo fo and it doesn't even concern you.
Sorry to put this here, but since your topic is for lostprojects as well, i had to respond by saying, if you got nothing to do with anything, why in the blue hell you would trash a business or a person's reputation?
I say, I WISH HE GOES TO CUBA with your money and i am saying that because if i was him, i would have lost my patience long before and would definately sue people for creating a bad rep for business and thus losing business as a result.
my .02
RINKU
DrDubbleB
07-12-2002, 04:08 PM
I have stuck up for Ian since the beginning. I kind of had to, I was the one that started the GB in the first place. But you are wrong 95silvia, no one here created a bad image for Ian, he did it for himself. That certainly doesn't give people that weren't involved the right to bash him, but he most definitely did it to himself.
Sorry Ian, I will no longer stick up for you, you don't even respond to me when I try to get in touch with you and all I ever did was try to help you.
Rcs476
07-12-2002, 04:43 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (95silvia @ July 12 2002,4:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You know, i am tired of you peeps that are pissed off at lostprojects.com and IAN for shit.
Half of you don't have ANYTHING to do with it, don't have any products ordered. You are just bitching like a mo fo and it doesn't even concern you.
Sorry to put this here, but since your topic is for lostprojects as well, i had to respond by saying, if you got nothing to do with anything, why in the blue hell you would trash a business or a person's reputation?
I say, I WISH HE GOES TO CUBA with your money and i am saying that because if i was him, i would have lost my patience long before and would definately sue people for creating a bad rep for business and thus losing business as a result.
my .02
RINKU</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Sue? How could one sue when they are basically stealing from people?
I am not involved in the Group theft, but I am entitled to have an opinion on the matter. Fuck this baby crap, this is shit that happens in the Honda and Vw community. Even if he couldn't completely pull the deal through, he should have had better contact with the people that were involved.
Hmm, What is the total figure he's made off with so far? I know somebody is "waiting" for a front clip still, so that's 3K right there, however many suspension component's added to that, Grand Larceny. Internet fraud. Mail fraud. Which at this point are federal crimes, he basically put himself into deep shit. Fuck his reputation, it is diarrhea at this point anyway.
Sucks for him, there are a lot of smarter ways to pull off fraud, he wasn't smart enough to do it somewhere where nobody knows him.
No disrespect to DrDubbleB, at least he's trying to help the situation.
Dousan_PG
07-12-2002, 05:46 PM
that's too bad
i got my tein HE and tc rods when ian started the group buy, i guess i got lucky
i had spoken with ian about 4 or 5 times on various subjects and about my order, sounds like a really nice guy
best of luck to everyone. i hope you either get your money back or your order recieved.
aaron
ca18guy
07-12-2002, 06:17 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (csingham @ July 12 2002,07:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">he's running to cuba folks
obtained from freshalloy.com
'89 240SX Coupe for sale with SR SWAP.
The body of the car is in OK shape, it will need a paint job and a new windshield. Brand new tires with chrome tri-star rims.
Upgrades include -
SR20DET REDTOP (Approx 40,000 Miles)
Greddy 1.2 mm head gasket
Greddy 2 row radiator
Greddy intake manifold
Greddy Gauges:
Air/Fuel
Boost
Fuel Pressure
Oil pressure
Water temp
EGT
Blitz LM front mount intercooler
Blitz stainless down pipe
Blitz SUS air filter kit
Blitz 550 injectors
HKS Cams (264 in and 264 ex)
HKS cam gears
HKS Super S BOV
A'pexi GT-Spec Exhasut
A'pexi rev speed meter
A'pexi Super AFC
A'pexi AVC-R
A'pexi tach
Heavy Throttle test pipe
Heavy Throttle hot pipe
Jun valve spring
Jun titianum retainors
Upgraded turbo (inquire)
Splitfire ignition coil packs
Z32 MAF
There might be other things that I may have forgot. Please e-mail me with any questions.
[email protected]</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Got a direct link? I'm looking for a car to buy when I go home top Florida next week.
DrDubbleB
07-12-2002, 07:42 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ July 11 2002,8:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (csingham @ July 12 2002,07:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">he's running to cuba folks
obtained from freshalloy.com
'89 240SX Coupe for sale with SR SWAP.
The body of the car is in OK shape, it will need a paint job and a new windshield. Brand new tires with chrome tri-star rims.
Upgrades include -
SR20DET REDTOP (Approx 40,000 Miles)
Greddy 1.2 mm head gasket
Greddy 2 row radiator
Greddy intake manifold
Greddy Gauges:
Air/Fuel
Boost
Fuel Pressure
Oil pressure
Water temp
EGT
Blitz LM front mount intercooler
Blitz stainless down pipe
Blitz SUS air filter kit
Blitz 550 injectors
HKS Cams (264 in and 264 ex)
HKS cam gears
HKS Super S BOV
A'pexi GT-Spec Exhasut
A'pexi rev speed meter
A'pexi Super AFC
A'pexi AVC-R
A'pexi tach
Heavy Throttle test pipe
Heavy Throttle hot pipe
Jun valve spring
Jun titianum retainors
Upgraded turbo (inquire)
Splitfire ignition coil packs
Z32 MAF
There might be other things that I may have forgot. Please e-mail me with any questions.
[email protected]</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Got a direct link? I'm looking for a car to buy when I go home top Florida next week.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
It sounds like Ian's car with many new additions since I last talked to him. I don't know where he saw that it was for sale though.
CoasTek240
07-12-2002, 11:01 PM
well how much is it and are there any pics?
luey02
07-12-2002, 11:13 PM
ok, I've ask Ian about what's going on. He chose not to come on here cuz he's sick of explaining to people. But I think it's only fair to tell you guys myself. So I'll sum up what he told me.
He admits it's his fault for messing up the gb, but it's his distributor that decided not to do business with him anymore. My guess is cuz he gave out the distributor's info and people kept calling them and claim he's a crook.
Ian has been contributing to the 240 community in FL. He set up a nissan meet that had 150 car showed up. Check out the meet&gatherin at FA. Would any thief do that? Have patience people, you'll get your refunds.
Kevin
DrDubbleB
07-13-2002, 12:25 AM
Kevin, thanks for the update. It's really unfortunate that he felt that I was bugging him when I was trying to uphold his reputation for him with absolutely no contact from him what so ever. That's what pissed me off. Oh well I wasted my time and in return he simply gets none of my business.
csingham
07-13-2002, 04:37 AM
from what i gather it was for 9000, pictures you have to go to his site. He took the car off the site once one person started the whole "damn your a fu#$ing crook".
I Honestly could not give a damn what he has done for the 240 community. They don't exist, what exisit is that he took money.hey to all those that think i hate him, it's true, he messed w/ my boy, and i'll burn anyone who does that and does not come with a full explanation. No distributor holds on to money, nieshlin (i've bought from there before) especailly. 3 months to get a refund, no phone calls, ect. From my understanding i'm getting that ian is calling rockout tomorrow.
If he does'nt i'll be happy to come back here again and bash the SOB. Even more so if i was in Fl i'd pay him a personal visit, but considering people HAVE FILED FBI FRAUD forms i'm happy and let my tax dollars collect on his behind.
have a nice day <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
happe626
07-13-2002, 10:58 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (csingham @ July 13 2002,05:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">. No distributor holds on to money, nieshlin (i've bought from there before)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
what exactly did you buy from neishlin? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>
rockout
07-16-2002, 01:58 PM
So...to keep things going. Ian has changed his number or it is disconnected..can someone please give me the last # they know to be Ian's? 813-907-3380 is what i have been using.
gschroeder78
07-18-2002, 01:38 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rockout @ July 16 2002,1:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So...to keep things going. Ian has changed his number or it is disconnected..can someone please give me the last # they know to be Ian's? 813-907-3380 is what i have been using.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ian sent me an email on 7/8 saying to call him at that number. I also had a (386) 756-1793 but I think that is his old #.
csingham
07-27-2002, 04:37 AM
sorry have not replied to the question of what we bought, one trip was a turbo MRII motor, i was there just for the ride, but that first time they made a good impression on me that they probably would not hold on to money for no product. Second time i went was to check out a 4dr ferio my friend saw on ebay (waste of time, but hell got to go), and the last time was for a YS1. We are told that when he switched this is who he went to as a supplier. If not then that proves he's more of a punk then we thought.
To all of those that think this is over, hell no!
I have friends in FL that are going to his house and knocking on the door (this is not a joke), Ian is has filed a law suit against him(even more serious), and honestly i've thrown out ever warning that i can about this guy(this is for fun, cuz he can't answer for his mistakes other than "uhh i messed up"). I still can't find the post on the group buy because i'd love to know how that worked out when he didn't refund that money either. It pays to be a good guy, it sux for the bad guys when you have friends like me. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>
luey02
07-27-2002, 10:12 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (csingham @ July 27 2002,06:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sorry have not replied to the question of what we bought, one trip was a turbo MRII motor, i was there just for the ride, but that first time they made a good impression on me that they probably would not hold on to money for no product. Second time i went was to check out a 4dr ferio my friend saw on ebay (waste of time, but hell got to go), and the last time was for a YS1. We are told that when he switched this is who he went to as a supplier. If not then that proves he's more of a punk then we thought.
To all of those that think this is over, hell no!
I have friends in FL that are going to his house and knocking on the door (this is not a joke), Ian is has filed a law suit against him(even more serious), and honestly i've thrown out ever warning that i can about this guy(this is for fun, cuz he can't answer for his mistakes other than "uhh i messed up"). I still can't find the post on the group buy because i'd love to know how that worked out when he didn't refund that money either. It pays to be a good guy, it sux for the bad guys when you have friends like me. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i hope your friends get arrested.. what did they do anyway?
nissmo240sx
07-27-2002, 01:31 PM
so People are out in Florida hunting him down basically? and that Ian filed a suit because of the threats? too bad, Rockout and Gschroeder didnt get their refund , as well as all the other people. hope shit goes aight for all u that bought from him. Good LuK
Starlin
07-27-2002, 02:45 PM
i have nothing to say about this <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
Starlin
csingham
07-27-2002, 05:25 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
i hope your friends get arrested.. what did they do anyway?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
what are they going to do? nothing, they are going to knock on his door and ask for the money that he's owed since feb. Your talking in the past tense. Basically they are going there to confirm his address, becasue if this guy has not paid up i'm sure it's going to take a court of law to do so. If i lived in FL, i'd be happy to key his car ect, but since the court is now involved i'm not touching it.
oregon boy, don't have to say anything nor do you have to post anything.
Rice Eata
07-27-2002, 11:34 PM
just wanted to add that me and dball from the tein groupbuy, also haven't recived are refunds, Ian promised
Dball=$1204.90
Rice Eata=$1616.50
-Brian
Anyone esle not get there tein parts/money? (post) (http://www.zilvia.net/f/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=4;t=12308)
csingham
07-28-2002, 10:05 PM
Drive by done.
The address we have must be his home, my friend told me that there is a Red 240 out side the house he got the lic plate number *** IGP Seminole County, the address is a house in a subdivision off of Bruce B. Downs Boulevard. It's a restircted community, for morons considering my friend got in, name Williamsburg. He said it was a nice drive from tampa and close to near buy facilities.
He was going to get out and knock on the door, but he's a smart guy, unlike my self. He says nice house, but pick up your yard.
Ohhh iiiiiaaaannnn wweerrreeee ooutttsssiiddddeee
hey xrockoutx, don't you like friends like me .
PSI240SX
08-02-2002, 10:11 PM
Hello Everyone.
I am here to tell everyone that Ian is one of the nicest guy's I have ever met. During the 240sx meet here in Florida, I had just met him and he told me I could stay at his house so I didn't have to spend the money for a hotel room. He put out a lot of money for the meet up front and relied on donations to recoop the costs. His cars are kept inside his garage. Anyone who thinks of keying his shit or throwing bricks through his shit is real fucked up in the head. You wouldn't want anyone doing that shit to your car would you? You actually think it will get you anywhere? Will it get you your money back? No. I understand that you guys are pissed, you have every right to be if what you say is true. I am a real good judge of character and I can tell you that YOU ALL will get your money back. This guy is a class A guy. It may take time but you will get it back. He honestly is prolly sick of responding to it because he has nothing to say. If he doesn't have the money, he can't tell you what you want to hear so why bother? I am not defending what he did or the situation, merely Ian as a person. I would be real worried/pissed about this shit too if it were my money, believe me. I am just here to offer my opinion of this guy. He is extremely nice, goodnatured, giving, and hospitable. He may have fucked up... we all make mistakes, I believe he will rectify everything in due time. I hope this sets your minds at ease just a little.
Jay.
gschroeder78
08-02-2002, 10:28 PM
As I said on the other thread, I am positive Ian is legit and I know he isn't a crook and it honestly isn't anyone else's problem unless they have useful information to add. No one here, or at least I don't want anyone threatening him. He has always been a nice guy to me and I think things just went bad and I'm sure I'll get my money back. Tracking him down and treatening him isn't going to solve anything, just like the last guy said. If anything, it will make it worse. So help us out and stop trying to help. If Rockout, Rice Eata, me and whoever else, are worried about getting the money back, thats our problem.
MidNiteJedi
08-02-2002, 11:17 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (csingham @ July 28 2002,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Drive by done.
The address we have must be his home, my friend told me that there is a Red 240 out side the house he got the lic plate number *** IGP Seminole County, the address is a house in a subdivision off of Bruce B. Downs Boulevard. It's a restircted community, for morons considering my friend got in, name Williamsburg. He said it was a nice drive from tampa and close to near buy facilities.
He was going to get out and knock on the door, but he's a smart guy, unlike my self. He says nice house, but pick up your yard.
Ohhh iiiiiaaaannnn wweerrreeee ooutttsssiiddddeee
hey xrockoutx, don't you like friends like me .</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I dont mind people giving info about a deal that went bad w/ some shop, this helps us all.... But its when people say it over and over..and basically make things up to just make that particular shop look bad..why? its just wrong..and for making physical threats and driving by peoples houses....criminal charges could be filed......please, before you post...have all the facts correct...that red 240 you saw outside his house...was actually mine, i was over that weekend working on his car...and as for Ian not being at the meet....i dont know where the hell you were at the meet...but i personally rode w/ Ian to the meet...adn i know for a fact we were one of the firsts to get there...adn definately the last to leave...and you want to talk about you losing money..he put this meet on w/ teh money out of his own pocket w/ the intent to get everyone together, all he wanted was a thank you...he ended up losing over $500 on the meet, do you see him bitching? if you still dont beleive he was there...i can post pics and make you look like an even bigger ass than you already have been...
if youve ever ran a shop, or any kind of business like this..you know basically all he has control over is ordering the parts from the manufacturer/distributor...if the parts dont come for 3 months..how the hell is it his fault? please do not post anything else about Ian..he is a stand up guy..and if you would actually act like an adult...you will get treated like one.
MidNiteJedi
08-02-2002, 11:24 PM
oh yeah...i spoke w/ Ian earlier today (Friday) the Teins from your groubuy finally came in.....and he is going to me in orlando sat. nite ...i suggest if anyone has a problem w/ him...you come out and speak w/ him in person
hope to see you all there
Rice Eata
08-03-2002, 12:51 AM
Midnitejedi,
Did Ian tell you what went wrong with the Tein Group buy/ what happend to the money?
The only thing he told me was that he messed up and someone called his distrubuter.
I didn't want to give him a bad rep or anything, it's just that i never trust him. And wanted to see if anyone was getting worried. I mean, he told me three/four time already that he'd get my money back and that i'll get a tracking number by the end of the week. And it just never happens...
rockout
08-03-2002, 02:47 AM
Believe me csingham wasn't out to do any harm or destroy anything....he was just checking up on the address that's all. Like i stated in the other thread...Ian said he's paying everyone off one by one slowly, but surely. I guess we'll all just have to give it time.
BadMoJo
08-03-2002, 02:55 PM
Although I don't actually know PSI240sx I now have a bit more faith in Ian because of what he just said. PSI has been here along time and I trust what he has to say. I hope Ian comes through and everything gets set straight.
nissmo240sx
08-04-2002, 10:46 PM
I been gone for a while. Well just wanted to say that i got my refund from Ian a while ago, so im sure he is working on you guys. prolly just gotta give him some time. Good luck.
csingham
08-06-2002, 06:53 PM
no one was apart of it. i alone had someone go out there, no damage was done, but we checked the address out just so when we file it goes to the right address and not some friend of a friend of a friend that moved out.
did it work yes, will it happen again if i don't like the out come in a month yes.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> - the thumbs and throwing up the middle
95silvia
08-07-2002, 08:31 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MidNiteJedi @ Aug. 03 2002,12:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteBegin--csingham+July 28 2002,11<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (csingham @ July 28 2002,11<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>5)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Drive by done.
The address we have must be his home, my friend told me that there is a Red 240 out side the house he got the lic plate number *** IGP Seminole County, the address is a house in a subdivision off of Bruce B. Downs Boulevard. It's a restircted community, for morons considering my friend got in, name Williamsburg. He said it was a nice drive from tampa and close to near buy facilities.
He was going to get out and knock on the door, but he's a smart guy, unlike my self. He says nice house, but pick up your yard.
Ohhh iiiiiaaaannnn wweerrreeee ooutttsssiiddddeee
hey xrockoutx, don't you like friends like me .</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I dont mind people giving info about a deal that went bad w/ some shop, this helps us all.... But its when people say it over and over..and basically make things up to just make that particular shop look bad..why? its just wrong..and for making physical threats and driving by peoples houses....criminal charges could be filed......please, before you post...have all the facts correct...that red 240 you saw outside his house...was actually mine, i was over that weekend working on his car...and as for Ian not being at the meet....i dont know where the hell you were at the meet...but i personally rode w/ Ian to the meet...adn i know for a fact we were one of the firsts to get there...adn definately the last to leave...and you want to talk about you losing money..he put this meet on w/ teh money out of his own pocket w/ the intent to get everyone together, all he wanted was a thank you...he ended up losing over $500 on the meet, do you see him bitching? if you still dont beleive he was there...i can post pics and make you look like an even bigger ass than you already have been...
if youve ever ran a shop, or any kind of business like this..you know basically all he has control over is ordering the parts from the manufacturer/distributor...if the parts dont come for 3 months..how the hell is it his fault? please do not post anything else about Ian..he is a stand up guy..and if you would actually act like an adult...you will get treated like one.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
He was at the meet.
He did put money out of his pocket.
He didn't bitch about anything at all but did a great job with meet, lunch, raffle, dyno, helping with directions, taking crap from security police for other peeps wrongdoing....
I am just backing up Midnite and that Ian was present at the meet. please refrain from posting incorrect information and flaming without any facts on the matter.
RINKU
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