OT: PLEASE TAKE ME BACK!

[JEdubz]

okay obviously I dont know everything ... but this guy just doesn't use logic in some points... I mean... if FWD was so fast then why do the super car manufacturer's never use it? It's worth a good laugh if you have time



heres somewhere in the middle of it.. i will paste the begining stuff at the end if you still feel like reading...


Mazda MX6 PLAYA: FWD  is awesome
J E Dubz: lol FWD sucks shit


we later got into comparing the skyline to the gti (i dont know why)


J E Dubz: lol... im not going to argue with you anymore
J E Dubz: use fucking logic
J E Dubz: the reason they dont make FWD super cars is because it sucks...
J E Dubz: it always will
J E Dubz: The reason they make FWD economy cars is because it's safe in the rain. But dont tell me that super car manufacturers just make their cars RWD because they don't know the things you talk about.
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: i am  douche
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: ok  man  that  is when yo use physics
J E Dubz: once again you are thinking that you are ahead of the whole world
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: and timing  and when you  pay attention to the times of cars
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no i dont man
J E Dubz: do you think enzo ferrari dint use phsycis when he made all his cars
J E Dubz: ?
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: but i know how racers meake adjustments to there times and shit
J E Dubz: Yes, and those racers watch fast and the furious and read super street or just look at pictures.
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: w/e man im not gonna argue with you  you think you know everything
J E Dubz: I DONT THINK I KNOW ANYTHING
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: yes you do  everything i say is wrong
J E Dubz: I JUST KNOW THAT THE WHOLE WORLD ISNT MISTAKEN, AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT ARE YOU AND YOUR VW FRIENDS
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: i dont even watch that movie
J E Dubz: YES YOU DO
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: i havent even seen it
J E Dubz: SHUT UP
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: you shut up  
J E Dubz: listen im blocking you
J E Dubz: because you really need to just stop and think... if FWD was good... there would be FWD super cars toping the charts.
Mazda MX6 PLAYA signed off at 5:41:47 PM.



heres what happene later...



J E Dubz: and an FC3S is a turbo second gen RX-7
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: after i get my mototr they wont have shit on me
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: im gdetting  A GTR racing motor
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: with 210 stock
J E Dubz: lol
J E Dubz: GTR racing?
J E Dubz: are we talking a KL-ZE?
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: after a little tuning and a larger turbo and  about 18 psi and a shot of NOS itll run well over 300 hp
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: nope its a GTR
J E Dubz: GTR as in nissan?
J E Dubz: sr20det is 247 hp just to let you know
J E Dubz: if you have an s15 one
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no as in mazda
J E Dubz: GT-R is nissan... its the nissan skyline badge... but okay maybe mazda just used the label in something
J E Dubz: and why do you want n20... its horrible for ur car i would never run it
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no GTR not GT-R
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no its not not after tuning a race motor
J E Dubz: lol yes it is... no matter what you do it's still harder on your internals
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: well you dont wanna run it all the time itll run your mototr hotter than hell
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: itl run easy 10
J E Dubz: what is the displacement on this engine u talk about
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: not sure yet
J E Dubz: lol good luck...
J E Dubz: im not trying to insult you but it seems like you are getting a little too much from F&F than pure logistics
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: after i buy it im gonna completely make it all race
J E Dubz: a 300 hp RWD silvia weighs less than an MX-6 and it wouldnt run a 10
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no im not sure i wanna put a  shot  on
J E Dubz: and its RWD so u can count in faster
Mazda MX6 PLAYA:  but i know a lot about motors
J E Dubz: if you knew alot about them you would be calling them engines
J E Dubz: because motor means it's not powered by gas
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no i  ont wanna type engines
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no man listen
J E Dubz: alright... im just saying it doesnt look well when you put it like that...but okay
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: i buy the ENGINE
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: deck it all out in racing mods
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: lighten the chasis since it almost wieghs 2 tons
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: without N20
J E Dubz: omg
J E Dubz: 2 tons?
J E Dubz: 2 tons is 4,000 lbs
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: yes 3525
J E Dubz: an mx-6 is not 4,000 lbs tho
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: yes it is man
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: look in the dorr jam
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: door*
Mazda MX6 PLAYA:  i know what im talking about ,an
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: man
J E Dubz: wtf... u must have like a sack of bricks under your car to have it be 4000
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no my car has everyhting
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: im gonna take out all the window motors and ac
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: and all the usless stuff
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: if i get the weight to  3000 at least  without nitrous itll run  close 10
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: an RX-7 can only get about 350 hp max
J E Dubz: omg
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: with stock engine
J E Dubz: lol...
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: unlees you  put a lrger turbo and boost the psi on it
J E Dubz: ummm yeah... what else would u do.. its not like your gonna get an extra 100 hp in bolt ons
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: they are so light in the rear they wont keep traction at all
J E Dubz: of course you would need more boost
J E Dubz: lol... they are touring cars
J E Dubz: do you watch option much?
J E Dubz: or any japanese GT touring
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: nope
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: why/
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: ?
J E Dubz: well you need to to understand FD potential
J E Dubz: because you have alot way off... there are plenty of rx-7s producing over 800 rwhp
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no listen man
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: here listen
J E Dubz: im listenin
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: thta stuff is taken and rebuilt over
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: that int from man.
J E Dubz: yeah...they have new internals
J E Dubz: they are still rotary
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: who on the street has a 800 hp RX-7 rotary
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no they are
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: they are thhe same style
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: but its all done diff
J E Dubz: omg they are all rotaries
J E Dubz: the most powerful ones are tri-rotor
J E Dubz: but they still are rotary
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: yea named rotary  but as you can see opne rotary  has 320 hp and the other has 800 hp
J E Dubz: ummm 255 is actually FD3S in over here
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: sorry
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: it was an estimate
J E Dubz: yeah but one is stock
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: ok  that is what im sayong
J E Dubz: the other one has more vicious LSD, different interneal ported everything , bigger single turbos
Mazda MX6 PLAYA:  those RACING rx's have way diff thongs done
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: the rear of those cars are weighted
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: so they stick to the  ground
J E Dubz: they have downforce provided by wings and under body lips in touring cars
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: yea duh !
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: they are also weighted in the rear
J E Dubz: and so
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: strret  rx  have none of that
J E Dubz: not all street rx-7s like re amiyamas are weighted and they can go a hell of alot faster than any FWD economy car you name
J E Dubz: weight in the rear is so easy to achieve
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: 320 hp shotting froma  stock 7 makes it hard to keep the rear down
J E Dubz: and if you watch option you understand why alot of people dont want weighted backs
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: i knw a dude with a 1998 RX7 and he is hitting over 320 and can barely keep it donw
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: back to the 6
J E Dubz:  i really dont undersand what you mean by keeping it down... areyou tlaking in drag races or in turns
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: no  leavoing the line
they fish all around
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: to much  Hp for the light  rear 7
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: back to the 6
J E Dubz: ...
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: if i dont go  with  the GTR motor i can always put and EIP tunig VR w/ TT form a Volkswagon into it
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: that is 658 hp
J E Dubz: yeah... and why would you do this to a car like the 6 is my question
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: VR6 sorry
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: why not
J E Dubz: the 6 isnt even a performance car...
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: why would you  deck out a civic?
J E Dubz: i wouldnt
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: or an eclipse
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: $$$ is the issue
J E Dubz: and eg-6 ctr's are alot more performance than a 6
J E Dubz: lol dont even compare a DSM with a 6
J E Dubz: mx-6's have nothing on ecclipse GS-X nothing ... never had anything on them and never will.
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: DUH
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: AWD
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: fuck yea
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: or a GS-T
J E Dubz: GS-t is still has way more potential than a 6
J E Dubz: we have a deckable street ride
J E Dubz: i would never try to make a car like this which is FWD, has many poor qualities, and try to turn it into a race car
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: and yeah if i threw in the VW engine  in it  it would kick it ass on thee 1/4 mile
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: 658 hp from the engine
J E Dubz: that has nothing to do with an mx-6
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: or i would go srtaight fot the GTI VR6
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: wel its a MX56 isnt
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: it?
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: MX6
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: with a VW engine
J E Dubz: umm its an mx6 body with a completely different engine and drive train
J E Dubz: how is that a 6..thats like stephen papadakis civic which is really a prelude with a civic frame on top of it
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: all thatis diff is the engine and trans
J E Dubz: and drive train to the wheels
J E Dubz: that is what a car is
J E Dubz: the only thing left besides that is metal and fiber glass for looks
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: well you know what  a VW fits right down into it all
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: so it  pretty much goes all together
J E Dubz: lol
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: why not deck out a 6?
J E Dubz: because it has crap potential
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: ok  sure
J E Dubz: we are talking about a heavy , poor suspension, FWD car
Mazda MX6 PLAYA: for a street car
J E Dubz: you arent doing street car mods... you are talking about things that you can not achieve...be realistic.. I used to be like you... until I figured out how cars work.




oh well if any of this made sense I dont care i just thought it was funny afterward..

[KiDyNomiTe]

you should of put extra extra long, usually when people put long I am thinking I don't have to scrolll down at all, but you have a lot. I read the first part, this guy sounds like an idiot. Just becaus eyou have a certain car doesn't mean it is the greatest car. Some people are jsut stubborn, at least "most" of us on this board know our cars stock are slow.

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[DrDubbleB]

That guy is an idiot. It's funny how he talked about how he knew a lot about engines and then he went on to not know anything about the RX-7's engine (stock) or it's potential, hell he didn't even know how many litres the "racing GTR engine" (wtf is a Mazda GTR anyways???) had. Yup, very foolish he is, I would have blocked his ass long before you did, or at least told him that I had better things to do than waste my time talking to him.

**Edit** Forgot a word and a sentence didn't make sense **Edit**

[KiDyNomiTe]

About the GTR thing I have no idea what he is talking about, but if you go to Cork Sport and go to the J-Spec engines or just click here if you are lazy (http://www.corksport.com/jengine.html). If you look down the 5th engine they sell says:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">$1875 1.8L T4cyl (BPturbo) w/approx 210 HP (from GTR) *** </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If you click on it here is a picture of the engine. At first I though they meant GTi-R since that was FF turbo, but then I looked at the pic and it looks like it says Mazda, so I have no idea.

Here is the pic of the engine:

http://www.corksport.com/gtrengine.jpg

EDIT: can't be a GTi-R cuz its a 1.8L

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ July 15 2002,9:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">About the GTR thing I have no idea what he is talking about, but if you go to Cork Sport and go to the J-Spec engines or just click here if you are lazy (http://www.corksport.com/jengine.html). If you look down the 5th engine they sell says:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">$1875 1.8L T4cyl (BPturbo) w/approx 210 HP (from GTR) *** </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If you click on it here is a picture of the engine. At first I though they meant GTi-R since that was FF turbo, but then I looked at the pic and it looks like it says Mazda, so I have no idea.

Here is the pic of the engine:

http://www.corksport.com/gtrengine.jpg</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
GTiR is the engine used in 323 GTR. Like a sporty model. They only came out in europe and japan and were used on rally 323s.... quite powerful engine. You can easily bang 300hp out of it. A *common* engine swap for mx-3s, 323s and 2nd gen escorts. Requires quite a number of mods (small aftermarket) but fits in correctly and works nicely if you can source together the parts.

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[gh6o6]

high power cars that are front wheel drive will torque steer into a wall

[Bbandit]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (EONE914 @ July 15 2002,9:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://www.mata.co.nz/gtr_site/gallery/gallery_images/gtr_for_sale_01/black_gtr_sale_341_large.jpg

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what is that? looks a lot like a toyota starlet

[SR20Fastback]

This guy must be the biggest moron I've ever heard of. Seriously, if I ever saw this guy on the street, I would beat him senseless. I read that entire thing, just getting madder and madder about how fucking stupid he is. But I cant do anything about it, and its 4:15 am so Im going to bed. Im gonna be even more pissed if I cant sleep now cuz Im so pissed... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[uiuc240]

ugh. &nbsp;i can't believe i actually read that whole thing. &nbsp;ok...next!

Eric

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ July 16 2002,12:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ugh. i can't believe i actually read that whole thing. ok...next!

Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
agreed.. &nbsp;not exactly the most intelligent conversation on EITHER part. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[Loren]

yeah i'll say what sykik didn't, that good was an outright idiot, your just mildly stupid, and overly confident. #1 If Enzo Ferrari did it has to be right? Do you know how much technology has came out since his death? If we did everything like Enzo Ferrari then well it would be bad, because your moms Taurus has a lot more technology in it than anything he ever had a hand in building (in, his "hay day", by the time the F40 was out, he could barely cut the mustard) anyways, FWD cars do get better traction because of the weight on the front, but then theres weight transfer, blah blah blah, i skimmed most of it because it was getting unbarebly stupid, if you want me to go through it and pick out all the dumb stuff both of you said i can, but im content with this...

oh and that shit about motors aren't powered by gasoline, thats a bunch of shit. and i just happened to have a Webster New Collegiate Dictionary sitting on my desk...

motor \mot-er\ n [L, fr. &nbsp;motus, pp. of movere to move] 1 : one that imparts motion; specif: PRIME MOVER 2 : any of various power units that develop energy or impart motion: as a : a small compact engine b : INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE: esp : a gasoline engine..................

so yeah, where did you hear that from?

[adey]

... the 'conversation' (if you can call it that) was pretty sad on both sides... I'll say it takes two to tango.

Loren, a motor is not necessarily driven by gasoline... there are all sorts of motors, and the (next) most obvious one would be an electrically driven motor. You know, the ones where you strap a battery to it and watch it go.

I would've reworded that to "motors aren't NECESSARILY driven by gasoline".

edit: JE Dubz, your notion that all mx-6 owners are idiots is sadly narrow minded and forces any notions of maturity (on your part) down the drain. Grow up.

[JEdubz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ July 16 2002,5:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah i'll say what sykik didn't, that good was an outright idiot, your just mildly stupid, and overly confident. #1 If Enzo Ferrari did it has to be right? Do you know how much technology has came out since his death? If we did everything like Enzo Ferrari then well it would be bad, because your moms Taurus has a lot more technology in it than anything he ever had a hand in building (in, his "hay day", by the time the F40 was out, he could barely cut the mustard) anyways, FWD cars do get better traction because of the weight on the front, but then theres weight transfer, blah blah blah, i skimmed most of it because it was getting unbarebly stupid, if you want me to go through it and pick out all the dumb stuff both of you said i can, but im content with this...

oh and that shit about motors aren't powered by gasoline, thats a bunch of shit. and i just happened to have a Webster New Collegiate Dictionary sitting on my desk...

motor \mot-er\ n [L, fr. motus, pp. of movere to move] 1 : one that imparts motion; specif: PRIME MOVER 2 : any of various power units that develop energy or impart motion: as a : a small compact engine b : INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE: esp : a gasoline engine..................

so yeah, where did you hear that from?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Funny... I'm reading Webster's Complete Dictionary and Thesaurus: Fourth Edition...

motor
n. anything that produces motion; a machine for converting electrical energy into mechanical energy.
adj*.production of movement through the use of a motor or muscular movements.


engine
n. a machine by which physical power is applied to produce a physical effect; a locomotive; a machine using chemical energy in the form of heat expansion to create mechanical energy.

If you look online or read a modern automotive books they will state something similar to what was posted after what you said; that because an inernal combustion engine does produce motion it could technically fall into the class of a motor, much like a square could be called a rectangle because it has four 90 degree angles, but doesn't neccesairly mean the same thing.

Oh well I'm expecting more flames from you to roll in because I made fun of your social disorder. And you are taking the Enzo Ferrari thing quit a bit out of context... I never said EVERYTHING SHOULD BE LIKE ENZO FERRARI'S CONCEPTS AND VIEWS, I was using it as an example of how he started a chain of high performance prestigious cars which many super-car manufacturers have adapted ideas from. And one of them being the RWD has more potential than FWD.


Oh well Loren, once again you have displayed your lack of social skills and your only true ability to criticize others... You could have just left yourself out of this and no one would have thought anymore or less of you....But now I think even more of you as an angry little Eminem who needs to criticize everyone else because their dads didnt work on cars for thirty years.

[Loren]

you know i don't think me and my dad have ever talked about enzo ferrari, or the difference between a motor and engine (they have definitions that are one in the same) so my dad doesn't matter at all in this situation, thats just common sense. Enzo Ferrari didn't use FWD?? FWD was not very common until recent years... did some passenger cars have it? yes but the majority of them didn't. Just because a car is RWD doesn't mean its good, FWD has its fine points, but i personally prefer RWD. Think about it for a second what your saying about the engine and motor thing, does that make sense to you?? really do you think if someone calls it a motor they are wrong, there are tons of people who call it a motor in books and magazines, so do they need to reprint all that with 'engine' in place of 'motor'? use your head....

all this about both of your parents are physcoligists and it has rubbed off on you. ok first off if your parents ever talk to you about their patients and explain their social disorders to you, that is fucked up, immoral and wrong. it is totally against the code of a doctor to reveal confidential information about their patients to their son or anyone else for that matter who wouldn't use it to their benefit (ie anyone but another doctor). Im guessing thats why you claim to know about social disorders. (In the Zilvia chat room he was babling about his parents being physcoligists and that i had a social disorder). If you think i have a social order and if you think you are greater than me, your having dellusions of grandure.

I guess your printing of the dictionary has a different definition of engine. Im not claiming that you doctor'd what it said, i believe that is more than likely what you read. BUT just because it doesn't specify something in that defintion, it doesn't mean its not true. If definitions in dictionarys went to great length explaining details of them then they would be hundreds of times thicker than they already are. What i said in my previous post was from the dictionary, unaltered in any form by myself.


---duh i know about alternate power motors, ie electric, solar, diesel, among others i can't think of... really do you think im that dumb?


oh and Dubz, no one in my family is a shrink, but im gonna go out on a limb and say that i don't have a social disorder, because i've dealt with shrinks more than once for several hour tests.. no it wasn't because i was a basket case, it was IQ tests and probing my mind to see how i think.

[crazycuban]

I normally wouldn't say anything here, but I'm REALLY bored.

BUT, since I don't really want to get into the arguement, and because we all find out ourselves sooner or later that we're wrong about shit (so I don't really need to correct anything, my conclusion is that both you guys need some bud.

one love, one heart, lets get together and feel alright.

Cuban coffee and extreme boredom cause a very strange mood.

It was a funny story. &nbsp;Relax.

[240Driver39]

Guys, ur arguing about dictionary definitions, i think we can all agree on the notion to move on...

[Grant]

good god... enough... all this over an Mx-6<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>