Need Help Now!! plz

[DisEpyon]

i have another sr starting up swap question for someone that knows, and searching didnt do jack sheeit for me. yesterday i tryed starting up my car for the first time, i primed the oil first, then after that when i tryed starting it up it would crank and try and fire up. so then i looked and i had no fuel pressure reading from my guage.. well my fuel hoses were backwards, so i switched it, then the next morning start it up and it did but only stay on for about 5to8 sec. so then i thought i should pull the valve cover off and retime all the tick marks for the crank pulley and the chain to the cams and the cas. just incase, so i did, then i tryed starting it up and this time all it does is crank over and not even try to fire. thats were im at now. i thought it was spark plugs not gettting any spark, so i bought new ones, and same thing, so i check for spark and i do have spark. ive heard that after timing it the way i did the ecu is set to a different mode. so then i might have to change it. but i dont know how to tell when twisting the nob and what the red light blinks for on a mode. i checked all my wires and everything is good, ill double check it just incase again. please help me , im freaking desperate to drive this dame thing.
thanks, brent

[silverarrow27]

Is the starter spinning/clicking? If so some motors have a hard cold start issue like mine right now. On a warm day it'll start up perfectly and on a cold day or early temp mornings I'd have to crank it and give it gas for a good 10-15 seconds.

Just in case, have you done a compression at its current state right now to see if all pressure readings are level?

[sikS1LVIA]

if it ran then obviuosly your compression is fine and internals should be fine unless you heard some bad shit. does your fuel pump prime when u turn the key? some ppl have to hard wire thier pumps becuz the ecu is fucked up in that terminal my buddy has that problem. sounds like the tps might not be working right or even your maf. if your positive your wiring is correct ( i had to check my wiring atleast 20 times before i found my missing problem) than it could even be as simple as your maf. if the maf isnt runnning right the motor will shut off right away becuz its not getting any air. or vise versa if you said you were having fuel pressure problems it could be all air no fuel. i had to fuking suck on my injectors they were so dirty to get that shit to start feeding fuel. (fuking nasty). so check your maf, tps, and injectors. even fuel rail

[sikS1LVIA]

also is your oil pump working? no squeeking with the turbo>? (not good) that happened to be at start up my oil pump was frozen alomst fuking ruined my turbo.

[johngriff]

please explain your problem in better detail. I am sure we are all desperate to drive our cars right right now.... but you are just going to break stuff rushing. Please slow down when posting, use the "enter button" to space out your posts, and clearly in good grammer state your issues.

not maf, not tps. base timing. Have a timing light? base fuel pressure?

John

[DisEpyon]

ok i just got done relooking at everything with my cousin and we came across some problems.
one problem is that when i took out my spark plugs again, we notice that they were wet, so its flooded. when looking through the spark plug hole , we saw wetness and on the spark plug.
another problem is that i dont have all my ground wires in the correct place, reason why is that i did a wire tuck. the missplaces ones were mostly just the ones that go on the engine for better groundage.
also when turning my key to the on position and after turning it off we hear a noise that sounds like one of the injectors is still open and fuel is coming out it or somthing like that.
i dont have a intake yet, so my maf is open, i just wanted to start my car up to see what problems ill run into, i didnt know that haveing the maf open would be a big deal maybe. and that might be a big issue too, cause he told me that a guy had a similar problem like me and when he discovered that his maf was the problem, his car is fixed. im not sure if its because its open or the wire might be missed up.
also we changed out my regular coolant temperature sensor that was on my ka motor with the sr just in case, i think that also had to deal with the cold start problem thing, cause it is cold now where i live.
another thing is i might have to clean out my injectors maybe, or not, not sure on that.
one more thing is that we couldnt check my spark on all my spart plugs ,cause my batter died, and all the other ones i got ahold of died, so i cant try and start it up yet to find out more problems to run into i hope not.

my fuel pump does work. all my other pumps are working perfectly. i still dont have my tps set right. im 100% positive i have my motor timed right as for the tick marks thing and the cas sensor is in the right postions when i postioned it with the yellow dot mark. also my ecu works great. it reads the 5/5 red light thing, im not sure what that means yet. and i remembered along time ago i let my cousin use it for his car and it work great.
i thank you guys for the great input, it helped us more, also keep em coming.
thanks, brent

[sikS1LVIA]

still think its injectors or maf/tps

[johngriff]

Steps:
Check Compression.
Check for fuel.
Check for Spark.
Check Timing.
Check Vacum Leaks.
For now, just unplug the maf, the car will start and idle without it, and i have no idea what you are talking about.

Take about 20 Pictures all the way around your engine bay, very slowly: sidestep flash, sidestep flash, all the way around, make sure it is well lit and in focus... i have no idea what is going on here.

Oh, and put the SR temp sensor back in.

[the head]

you are rushing...quit it.
the more you rush this the more problems you will have...

make sure all of your grounds are hooked up...download the FSM it will help with testing the tps and the timing procedure...also it will give you information on the ECU indicator.

make a list of what works and what doesn't for us
spark yes or no
fuel pump yes or no
etc

this will make it a lot easier for zilvia to assist you given your technical knowledge is either not there or not being communicated well

[DisEpyon]

Remember when i said that we heard a sound after turning off the car, it was one of the injectors staying open. when we took off the fuel rail and switched the key to the on posistion one of the injectors stayed open and is pouring out fuel. so that created to flood. so i hope that is my problem. any suggestions on what might to do after replacing it and starting the car up again?

[misfitsfreak81]

Is the starter spinning/clicking? If so some motors have a hard cold start issue like mine right now. On a warm day it'll start up perfectly and on a cold day or early temp mornings I'd have to crank it and give it gas for a good 10-15 seconds.

Just in case, have you done a compression at its current state right now to see if all pressure readings are level?

just so you know, cranking it and giving it gas in a fuel injected motor is TERRIBLE.

[the head]

actually in the SR without an IAC system you need to hold the throttle open a little to get it to start if you havent adjusted the setscrew far enough out yet

[the head]

Remember when i said that we heard a sound after turning off the car, it was one of the injectors staying open. when we took off the fuel rail and switched the key to the on posistion one of the injectors stayed open and is pouring out fuel. so that created to flood. so i hope that is my problem. any suggestions on what might to do after replacing it and starting the car up again?

just replace the stuck injector for the moment then see what crops up...you could replace the plugs since they were soaked in gas

[silverarrow27]

just so you know, cranking it and giving it gas in a fuel injected motor is TERRIBLE.

Haven't given me any issues yet! :D

[sikS1LVIA]

leaky injector tisk tisk. have you recieved any codes on your ecu for any other probs>?

[HalveBlue]

If only one injector was leaking I would imagine the rest of the cylinders would still fire correctly, right? Your engine might run like crap but it should turn over.

If you did flood your engine, take out all your spark plugs and let your car sit overnight. That should get rid of all the unburnt fuel.

Honestly though, I'm guessing your timing is screwed up since your engine ran before your messed with the timing.

When I replaced my headgasket I swore I set the timing correctly. I ended up checking it three times before I got it right. The third time I turned the key and it fired right up. So yeah, be absolutely certain you set your timing correctly. Don't think you did it right, know you did it right.

There a tons of guides on the net, including right here on Zilvia, that walk you through the process.

Good Luck!

[sikS1LVIA]

ya the sr is probably the most picky little bitch ive ever seen... this motor wants everything just right or itll shit on you lol. the timing is everything... like halveblue said make sure its right make sure. get a guide (dont b lazy) and check it out.

[DisEpyon]

hehe yea the sr seems to be giving problems when wanting to start up for the first time, i remember my cousin had problems to when trying to get it to start. ill go ahead and re look the timing stuff. i have the sr guide and ive looked at it for ahwhile and my cousin did to that it was right for sure, but ill do it again.

i sent my injectors off and my others to one of my friends that will test them and other stuff and on that faulty injector maybe he can fix it at his shop or he can give me another one. so thats pretty much what im waiting for now. unless you guys know what else i should be doing also, besides check timing again?
thanks, brent

[ultraDorksGarage]

oddly i would have to say that my sr has luckily been the least picky motor ive had.

anyhoo, stock maf gets quirky without a filter on it, use a stocking at the least, otherwise starting and running will suxor.

if u think ur injector is stuck than rest of my post is blah blah blah, just noticed u said u have no intake on it.

im running a haltech, actually in the process of converting from e6 to e11, and id have to say the sr can idle with 1.6-3ms fuel, which is a big difference. also it idles anywhere from 7btdc-25btdc. if ur 180 out on cas timing than u gotta readjust ur cas

ecu and maf is picky though. any post maf leak will kill ya. sr spark is pretty weak for being a coil-over-pack, so grounds are important, especially the one behind the head from coilpack harness


just my .02

[downshift_sideways]

Check your Fuel pump, make sure its not shot, If it is It can be a reason why your car is not firing up

Whener you crank the motor and it turns, take apart a fuel lines from your fuel filter and make sure there is fuel comming out.


Check your injectors.

and i Also agree with HALVEBLUE

[DisEpyon]

here are pictures of what my timing looks like, it looks the same as what the fsm says it sopposed to be.
piston number 1 is at the very top.
is this right?
do i need to do anything else?
sorry if the pics are not clear enough.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/disepyon/timing001.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/disepyon/timing002.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/disepyon/IMG_7642.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/disepyon/timing007.jpg
thanks, brent

[thundering02]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but most twin cam engines have both markers pointed up or ant each other ...Left side seems to be about 4 teeth off

[DisEpyon]

piston number 1 and 4, the cams are to the side to explain the picture a bit better.

[HalveBlue]

Hmm...timing seems to be set correctly.

Is the Timing Chain Tensioner in place? A lot of times when start putting everything back together the chain has a tendency to jump a couple of teeth.

Also, can you take a better picture of the CAS? Preferably showing the black cap and the position of the adjustment bolts.

[bardabe]

flooded cylinder = bad injector or injector Oring. get newones. that happened to me .... 4 times..... also chnge your oil. since the cylinder got flooded your oil has been contaminated.

[DisEpyon]

my car started up for the first time today, and again, and again. feels great. went to pick up the injectors today from deatsch werks, put them back in the car and started up. now i have another problem, not idling right.
could it be the tps sensor? also the cas sensor was moved when the car was on a little bit, should i retime that by taking the valve cover off, or just time it by light?
i still dont have my intake kit yet i ordered, could that be also the problem for the mas sesnor?
and also i dont have that one hole pluged up yet on my stock turbo elbow, not the o2 sensor but the other one, just thought id say that, not sure if that makes a difference or not.
thanks, brent.

[HalveBlue]

Cool. So, what'd you do to get the car to start?

Once your mechanical timing is set you'll need to get a timing light to set the crank pulley to the second to last mark.

[DisEpyon]

that one injector was the problem, after fixed, and put back in started right up.

i went ahead and did the timing again for the cas, one last dam time to make sure.

i was wondering, after retimeing it mechanicaly, do i have to time it with the light or time anything else?
i know for a fact i have to set up the tps, but dont know how, also i do not have a voltmeter for it.

thanks, brent

[DisEpyon]

i have another problem but this time its a leak from the coolant hose line.
the coolant keeps comming out of the top of the hose. it drips down the hose from the top, what it looks like and feels like. ive replaced the hose already and still does it. im not sure if i need a small bolt warmclamp to make it tighter. just wondering if anyone had this problem or know if its something else.
ive just found this picture on the internet to give an example of a picture of what im talking about. not from my car.
thanks, brent.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/disepyon/147.jpg

[DisEpyon]

hello, i have another problem, i already fixed the coolant leak, that was because i forgot to tighten down one of the clamps.
ive just recived my intake kit and put it on, now my car idles crazy, its jumping up and down. somewhere between about 1600 to 1000. ive already set my tps to about .50. ive checked for vac leak and didnt seem to find any. my iacv is cleaned out good. i have my maf in the right direction. i had to extend my maf wires to reach the maf, dont think that has anything to do with it. as you can tell from my recent posts, my timing is right. does the wastegate vac hose have anything to do with it, because i have it hooked up to the back of my greddy mani. i know i should go infront but wasnt sure if that has anything to do with it. thats about all i can think of. PLEASE HELP ME!!!! this is the only thing holding me back to driving my car.
thanks, brent

[DisEpyon]

hehe, i had help figuring out my problem, it was my tial bov. it was opening up way to much on idle and releasing to much air, which is creating a leak. sorry if i keep posting up help questions and end up answering them, but i do have another question, right now i have a 7 psi spring, which is way to loose. should i get a 9 or a 11 psi spring?
thanks, brent.