pros/cons of rollcage in DD car

[EJ253]

hey, i was wondering if there are any big advantages/disadvantages to having your daily driver/track car with a full 6 pt rollcage and 5 pts seatbelts.

i read somewhere a while ago that the bar behind your head can hit you if you get in a bad accident. but it seems like you'd have to get hit pretty hard for anything like that to happen. it seems like, if the top of your seat was above the top of your head, that the frame would have to bend in an accident or something for anything to happen. does anyone on here have a roll cage in their DD?
i'm just curious

thanks,
Greg

[whomiked]

you need a dd and a drift car. quit trying to have 2 in 1

[Dousan_PG]

con: hit your head and crack it opn on the street
get a 4 point w/ sides. not a full 6 if you daily it
sure you might be ok. but that one time....

[LB.Motoring]

All Con. If you are Dailying, Responceable then you willnot need it.

get in a accident and smash your head real good. there is no point. If you wanted protection or chassis stiffness, get it injected with foam. other than that pipedream boy, Id say, Daily driver: Clean Safe Stock, Track car: Cage, (becouse you wear a SA2000/SA2005 helmet, for a reason)

the end.

/thread

[redsuns3838]

clearly the pros outweigh the cons. u guys are wimps.

pro- stiffer chassis for going through carls junior drive-thru.
pro- protect crumping in cabin when you tip over taking said drive-thru at high entry speeds.
con- die in said accent by splitting head open on the cage.

in all seriousness though, if you want a cage like dousan said, go for a 4 point if your going to DD it.

[NervGS]

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

That said, I'll be putting a 6-point in my Z. That's if everything goes according to plan. Get a good seat, and harness and in my opinion, you'll be fine.

-glenn

[drftwerks]

umm have you seen the way a body (actually a dummy, but realistic) acts in an accident? body does amazing things when impacted with a severe amount of force

[McRussellPants]

Just set your seat way low in the chassis and roll a Legit 6pt.

If you put in some mickey mouse autopower and mcdonalds seat rail then obviously you'll have problems.

Right now if I put a decent fitting cage in my car, getting my head into a halo would probably happen sometime after my head seperated from my neck.

[sideview_180sx]

or better yet, if you are t-boned or experience a serious shunt. if you manage to knock have your head go the way of that yankees pitchers and go SPLAT!!! your limbs will probably be broken from hitting the down bars. Or if you need to be remove by FD and they are using jaws of life, you have just made it take longer and more difficult for them to try and save you life.

[chmercer]

eh whatever, like 50 percent of japan streets cuscos

[PoorMans180SX]

Wear a helmet all the time.

[95zilvia]

cut your balls off.

[chmercer]

dont walk by a fence if a car is going to run over you, or else your head will bounce into the fence post metal and splatter your brains 500 yard radius all over town.

has anyone ever actually heard of somone hitting their face on a roll bar in a wreck on the street first hand

[redsuns3838]

umm, just cuz ppl do it in japan doesnt mean its a great idea.

its totally different driving in japan. speed limits are much slower, people obey them a lot more often, and people are much safer drivers.

and a lot of people dont drive silvias to school, and work, and to go shopping. they take the subways/trains a majority of the time. the only time most ppl hop in a car like that is to track it or go drifting or touge driving. chances of getting in a collision with anything but a guard rail are slim.

i wouldnt bother with a cage... 4 point and some chassis strengthening bars and your fine. i doubt you NEED a cage if you have to ask about it on zilvia.

[sw20>>s14]

death and unwanted attention from the fuzz...just get a 4 point rollbar, thats all you need if its not a competition car...

[scottie]

Look a 6pt roll bar is all the you need. Get the roll bar with (2) pts down the B pillar, (2) points to the rear strut tower and (2) points diagonal inside the doors. Dont put anything above your head because if you roll the car and you are not absolutely bolted in your seat where you cannot physically move, then you will slide up and hit your head. To me that kinda defeats the purpose of a daily because you wont be able to reach the radio, a/c or the glove box. Its your choice but a good 6pt roll cage will protect the car from a roll over. The only time you need A pillar bars in my opinion is when you have a full out drag, track or drift car where there is a good possibility you can hit a barrier or other cars.


Scott

[burgy240]

Con- not a big one for some but, If you ARe in an accident, your insurance does not have to honor your claim unless you have already told them that you car is modified and they have agreed to insure the modification. you can't hide a roll cage from the insurance company.

[drew935]

I had a 6pt Cusco cage in my civic. My civic wasn't my dd though. For the street, it's all for show. On the track, it works well. Although, I never got a chance to bring it to the track before selling it...:(

[McRussellPants]

i doubt you NEED a cage if you have to ask about it on zilvia.

This about sums up why this shit sucks.

Also because people are talking about how hard it is to street a car with a harness. Which means they don't have one. which means they don't know what they are talking about.

[chmercer]

i have this
http://www.aerosport.net/AS200.gif

with this
http://us2.jb-host.com/~hookerha/update/data/upimages/RotarySteel.jpg

i can reach the radio and ac and shit just fine

[LB.Motoring]

dont walk by a fence if a car is going to run over you, or else your head will bounce into the fence post metal and splatter your brains 500 yard radius all over town.

has anyone ever actually heard of somone hitting their face on a roll bar in a wreck on the street first hand


yah, but he wont tell the story.

[zenki-217]

My buddy has a cusco cage in his hatchback if u want one buy it and save.... its a 4point and cusco cages wrap around the dash so its still easy to get in and out ... Its bolted in his car and you could still tell a world of a diff... If interested pm me.

[Brian]

I'm pretty sure some of the dudes on Honda-Tech have been in accidents and posted about it. This of course was with bolt in full cages.
So you know.... whatever.
If you die, you die.
If you live, you live.

[VROOOM]

if your that worried about hitting your head put some padding on the bar above your head. i would be more worried about stupid stuff on the floor moving in the accident and hurting you. remember everything in your car is going as fast as your car when you suddenly stop all the the little crap is still moving. thats why the police gets mad when you have your front license plate in the window. that would fuck you up in an accident.

[gotta240]

LOL at the licence plate in the front window... never thought of that...

haha. Imaging getting decapitated by your own license plate! OWNED!

BTW- Everyone crys about hitting their head on the bars... Why dont you fucks just put the roll bar padding on the cage, and be done with it? I'm pretty sure that stuff is just as soft as your head linder and the metal above it.

[Irukandji]

pros: you will look super hardcore drifter. omg.

cons: darwin awards anyone?

[Hailtothesilvia]

i am having a custom cage built in my car next weekend for Pro am and my car will actually be a daily for few months until i acquire another daily.

Does anyone here know if it's against the law to wear helmet on the street? I don't see why it would be, just wanna make sure.

[redsuns3838]

i dont believe there is a law saying you cannot. although full face ones might be obstructing vision and who knows...maybe you could get a ticket for it.. call into CHP or something and ask.

if you must drive on the street with a cage, make sure to pad up everything that you could possibly hit in an accident.

[McRussellPants]

Does anyone here know if it's against the law to wear helmet on the street? I don't see why it would be, just wanna make sure.


Haha, Damnit Tao.

oh, wait, you don't have a seat or harness... thats serious business then.

Yeah, theres no law agianst it... but you're gonna get hasseled like whoa.

CHP is for gaytown USA only.

TX rolls hard, as long as your car isn't over 120dB or riding on three wheels you're golden.

[EJ253]

thanks for answering my question guys

[byhi]

dude, fuck a roll cage, i say you just get a JGTC widebody kit, that way everyone will know instantly that you are a hard ace!!..............instead of making them look for the cage,rofl

btw, mercer msut have deep pockets aerosports seats are high cheese

[chmercer]

you could prob roll a helmet if you had super dark tint or somthing, otherwise everyone would look at you like a retard and youd increase chances of getting pulled over

if anyone wants to trade some huge ricer bolt on cage for a legit scca bar, let me know
wtt kirk racing roll bar for like this
http://www.kts-web.com/overseas/product/stiffnes/img/rg.jpg

if you roll a seat like what i posted with the helmet bolsters, it would be near impossible to hit your head on anything, for my head to hit the bars it would have to demolish the head loops, and if that happens im probably doing 130mph barrell rolls so yeah

[SiI40sx]

pro: you can fuck like crazy in your car, all kinds of different angles and bars to hold on to, youll definately impress girls with your mojo

con: girls can get mad when their buttcheeks touch those cold bars, and just totally kill the moment

good luck man

[airsoft]

Or you can buy my Doluck RXB. :)

[byhi]

last time i remembered you wanted limbs for that thing....

[Sky240PWR]

eh whatever, like 50 percent of japan streets cuscosthat's what I was thinking, thats why I went with their 8 point roll cage, I also bought the bride XAXII seats with rails, and Takata 4point harness....even if it's all JDM rice to most, it still gets the job done.

[yokotas13]

you need a dd and a drift car. quit trying to have 2 in 1


My DD has a safety 21 7 pt
It will be padded once i get back to japan, gutted from the front seats back
4 pt harness in there
etc etc etc

Its a great daily driver, for me i can take it to the track whenever i want this way

[yokotas13]

you could prob roll a helmet if you had super dark tint or somthing, otherwise everyone would look at you like a retard and youd increase chances of getting pulled over

if anyone wants to trade some huge ricer bolt on cage for a legit scca bar, let me know
wtt kirk racing roll bar for like this
http://www.kts-web.com/overseas/product/stiffnes/img/rg.jpg

if you roll a seat like what i posted with the helmet bolsters, it would be near impossible to hit your head on anything, for my head to hit the bars it would have to demolish the head loops, and if that happens im probably doing 130mph barrell rolls so yeah
I have that same looking cage, except no roof crossbar. i wnat one of those

[backroadtouge]

this so funny, i was watching a option video (yaya) and liek they were soo street drifting, with roll cages! and no seatbelts! omg! there so many pros and cons on this subject it could be a website in itself.

get a real cage made and have it made at the same time you put a racing seat in/ already have in. doing so will make it much easier to position everything to a) be safe, so your not leaning against some bar. b) fit properly c) make sure your not going to at a greater risk to have your arms broken in a accident.
of course a cage will change the way your car crumbles and such, but could still save you when for example, your getting flung sideways into say, a pole.

[KiDyNomiTe]

How are you people gonna hit your head... If you are wearing a harness you should not move... Also if you have a half decent seat and don't sit stupid far back or lean the seat far back you shouldnt hit anything.

I have a 6 point with door bars in my car, dunno if I consider it a daily anymore, I have 2 cars but lately tend to drive my 240 everywhere.

Pros - stiff chasis, safety on track, allows tandem in most events.
cons - only con I found is girls, and thats for having door bars, some will hate it, but just be a gentlemen and help them in the car, once they are they say it feels like they got in a roller coaster so it then becomes a pro.

[S14Josh]

Does anyone here know if it's against the law to wear helmet on the street? I don't see why it would be, just wanna make sure.

Maybe...



Fuck it...just wear a viking helmet all the time...and wear a scarf so it flops around outside of the window.

I think it would get really frustrating after a while having a Six-point in your daily. Especially with door bars, would be like climbing out of a jungle gym each time you get in and out of your car. Hell i get pissed enough trying to climb out of peoples cars that have buckets....either that or im just too damn big for the junior sprint seats that all my short brown friends have :D

Other then that factor i think it would suck getting in an accident and smashing your face all over the bars. Even with padding it would still fucking hurt. Although if you have a bucket and harnesses shouldnt you be secure from flopping around? I mean shit, why else would you fork out the cash to get a seat and harnesses....well besides getting the ladies :cj:

[wootwoot]

If cages were good ideas Volvo's would come with them.
4 point harnesses which are rice since 5 point are the ligit bitches can cause you break your neck in an incident were the roof collapses. Even with a cage, your roof can collapse.

[EJ253]

dude, fuck a roll cage, i say you just get a JGTC widebody kit, that way everyone will know instantly that you are a hard ace!!..............instead of making them look for the cage



good idea! Thanks :)

[EJ253]

right now, i guess the plan is have a 4 pt bar put in (bye bye back seat) and hopefully i can get some sparco seats at the same time

[!Zar!]

You expected to have a saftey cage and keep your rear seats?

[EJ253]

You expected to have a saftey cage and keep your rear seats?

:tweak: when did i say that????

[TurbLu]

I have been witness to many wrecks in which roll cages saved the drivers lives on the street. Now a halo bar was not a part of either picture but a door bar going under the dash was. Mind you these are Real Cages welded in and running 1 3/4" tube and not that kiddy stuff like cusco and autopower. Remember your cage is only as strong as the weakest point (in their cases the bolts holding it together)

1. An f150 driven by a drunk driver slams into my friends civic head on at 3am. The truck crushed the car all the way up to where the door bar started. The dash was pushed into his chest but the door bar saved his life according to the Firemen at the scene. The door bar stopped the car from crushing further into his chest. The thread is over 30 pages long on Honda-Tech. Search Drunk Driver Accident

2. Another friend of mine was being an idiot on the Las Vegas to LA I15 freeway and was clipped in the rear of his car causing him to spin out on the freeway at over 80mph. A semi truck then t-boned him at over 70 mph. Again in his case the door bars along with the roll over bar (with a center support welded from driver to passenger side - ie harness bar) kept the car from crushing him according to the paramedics and firemen at the scene.

If the cage is built properly, and you are wearing 3" 4 points (not the weeny 2 inchers) you should not have a problem. You absolutely cannot DD a caged car in stock seats with stock seat belts, they simply dont hold you in place enough.

[chmercer]

If cages were good ideas Volvo's would come with them.
4 point harnesses which are rice since 5 point are the ligit bitches can cause you break your neck in an incident were the roof collapses. Even with a cage, your roof can collapse.

if you have a cage and your roof collapses you are dead anyway because you are doing 7 barrell rolls at 130mph down pikes peak

volvos (and all cars for that matter) dont come with harnesses and good seats and things of things of that nature because people are lazy motherfuckers who can BARLEY be bothered enough to put on a seat belt with one fastener in a seat shaped like a couch. cars with legitimate saftey equipment would not sell because nobody wants it. they want to fall asleep in their lincoln towncars with massage seat and surfing on a cloud suspension. they make airbags for this reason. if you told somone you were going to put a shotgun baloon pointed at your face, does that sound like a good idea? i guess its better than chomping some metal, but i like how my harness keeps my face completly away from the steering wheel.

[S13_SX]

I wonder how many people who spread the "you'll hit your head and die" thing around have actually driven a car with a full cage, or been in one for that matter. My 240 doesn't have a cage because it is my daily driver, but my civic has a full 6pt. I am 6ft tall, have a low sitting full bucket, and my head is NO WHERE NEAR any bar. The only way my head could collide with the bar is if my seat Ripped off its rails and my legit scca legal harness ripped, or if I rolled several times and some how bent the bar that runs over my door down 8 inches.

[Ian]

There are reasons that cars are designed the way they are...


The thing is...race cars and street cars are driven completely differently, which is why they are also designed differently



Don't get it mixed up. Drive your street car like a street car and drive your race car (on the track) like a race car

[ronmcdon]

4pt is really a lot more practicle than a 6t. even if you have a harness, there's always a slight poss, however small, that something may get loose during a collision. id be reluctant even to get a 6pt even for a track car.

my choice would be a 'weld in' chromoly roll cage from a reputable shop, as opposed to a heavier 'bolt in' 6pt. probably around the same price, but id imagine (im no expert, im just guessing) the the 4pt would offer just as much chassis stiffening, but without the practicality/safety issues of a 6pt. thats what id like to get done next.

[TurbLu]

4pt is really a lot more practicle than a 6t. even if you have a harness, there's always a slight poss, however small, that something may get loose during a collision. id be reluctant even to get a 6pt even for a track car.

my choice would be a 'weld in' chromoly roll cage from a reputable shop, as opposed to a heavier 'bolt in' 6pt. probably around the same price, but id imagine (im no expert, im just guessing) the the 4pt would offer just as much chassis stiffening, but without the practicality/safety issues of a 6pt. thats what id like to get done next.

My thoughts exactly... Any professionally built cage would not have the issues described by most. Take you sizes in to the equation and build accordingly. Do not waste your money on pre-fab bolt ins as its all in your head about the chassis stiffening they are not really providing....

[s13sr20detsilviastityper]

if the cage is designed well, there will not be any bars near your head

im sick of people saying you are gonna hit your head and DIE
say there was a pillar bar and your head was right next to it, would you rather
A) smack your head on a bar covered in FIA foam
or
B) smack your head on a thin piece of plastic and then into the b pillar 3 inches further away than the rollcage foam would be?

[TurbLu]

BTW- this is a picture of just a roll bar - less damage would have occured had they had a halo bar installed. But yes the autopower did save their lives...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/FrescoGreenEG6/IMG_2209.jpg

[TurbLu]

You expected to have a saftey cage and keep your rear seats?

There are dozens of designs which are out which allow you to keep rear seats in...

Research other sites, not sites where mainly drifters hang out. I've been to drift competitions and seen 1" tube used for cages... WTF!!!

Go to an NHRA or drag racing site, those cars actually get up to speed.....

[chmercer]

PS. chromoly tubing is bad, you cant use it in any racing anymore and its much harder to weld than dom tubing, also it costs more.

actually i just lied about not being able to use it. you can use chromoly if you want but the only point of it was that you could have thinner wall thickness with the same rigidity, but now everybody mandates wall thickness so there is no weight savings. and the stuff is way harder to weld, the metal is much more brittle and dangerous in a crash.

[ryan hagen]

when i had school we had watched a thing on srs and that most car manufactures would like to go to a 4pt seat belt but they were unpractical and more affraid of people not wearing them at all.

i m getting my 6 pt finsihed this winter and the bars are being mad ein a shell that i have to be cut out and made into a bolt in my actaul car. we are keeping all the bars as close to the body structure as we can, my friends autopower sitting in it with my helmet on my head hits his a-pillar bar all the time, so looking at that and how its a good 4" from where i feel it should be made me contact a local stock car cage shop.

[KA24DESOneThree]

My two cents: you gamble if you put a cage in the car but you also gamble every time you set foot outside your house. I've done a bit of research into the whole cage-into-a-street-driven-car idea and frankly I've never found significant reason to the cage-versus-head argument. Also, a properly made cage should follow the inside lines of the car closely and thus give quite a bit of room to the driver or passenger. Buy quality.

Also, I think this thread has come up more than five-thousand times on Zilvia. Use the search function.

[S13_SX]

The white civic hatch with the red autopower Bolt In roll bar pictured above was a buddy of mines car. The car flipped off a 10ft embankment and rolled 7-8 times. The roll bar saved their lives. And please, if you have anything negative to say about that, keep it to yourselves. Not everyone from that wreck is "Ok". And I would really appreciate it if you put your morals infront of your thick headed views. My civic was caged 2 months after the above incident. I don't care if your brothers wifes nephews neighbors mail man knows someone who hit their head on a cage. I've seen them work first hand. And real life experience>something you read about on an internet forum. So unless you have personally macked your head on a roll cage bar and are now a vegetable, then your opinion is nothing more than 2nd hand gossip.

[theicecreamdan]

That statement is not fair to the zilvians that HAVE whacked their head on roll-cages and are now vegetables. They can't post their firsthand experience. The only legitimate negative information about roll-cages in street cars HAS to come from second or thirdhand sources.

[redsuns3838]

lol @ 1 inch tube story. thats like some ghetto fabbed home depot garden piping shit hahaha.

if ur gonna do cage on DD just make sure to get a harness, custom cage, and bucket, and pad that shit up.

then go 110 on the freeway on ur bald tires and crash so you can tell us all how it saved ur life doing what u werent supposed to do.

[yokotas13]

You expected to have a saftey cage and keep your rear seats?
i do
i just take out the center corss bar if someone wants to sit back there