Drift Buffet 11/19/06 @ NOS event center

[akuma s14]

Drift Buffet is proud to bring you another fine event " LOTS TO REMEMBER!" November 19th 2006
This will be a normal Drift Buffet practice day. Skid pad/instruction available
Location : NOS Event Center in San Bernardino, CA
roll in time : 9:00 am
tech - 9:00 - 9:30
Driver meeting 9:30
Driving 9:45 - 4:45 pm
Cost is $120

Sign up at: www.driftbuffet.com

[ViZion Zs]

remember remember the 19th of december. how many people pull on average?

[akuma s14]

LOL you may remember the 19th of december, but if you don't go on the 19th of november you'll be sorry!:duh:

[cfrost]

Great place to learn how to drift anyone whose interested!

:wavey:

[240DriftKid]

im a beginner and i want to learn!!

i registered but i dont have a helmet...

is VLSD coo?

im in rialto so its really close!!

[akuma s14]

240dirtkid - no sweat we are here to help beginners and we will teach you proper techniques. But YOU MUST GO NUY A HELMET. even a torocycle helmet, or a sparco - if you need a deal send me an email - thanks -

Terry
[email protected]

[Zetto*]

I'm really hoping I can make it out to this (Funds are limited right now). The idea of a Skid pad and instructions is pretty sweet. I dont have any track drifting experience so this would be good for me.

[240DriftKid]

yah im working on getting a helmet right now!! hopefully ill be out there on the 19th

[TheSquidd]

120$ damn, how long were the lines at the last event?

[brainfood]

120$ damn, how long were the lines at the last event?

Lines were virtually non existent at the last event... Parking lot events rule are great place for begginers to practice without worry and also great place to push the car and learn new techniques for more advanced guys. I will be there instructing and chasing cones hope to see everyone else out there!

[s13coupedrfter]

See you all there!!! It will be my first D event and looking forward to it. I've been building my coupe for the last year so we'll see how she does.

[ViZion Zs]

not exactly new but havent been to an event recently need instructors? im not sure if my new car will be completed by then! gay! but then again i wont be advanced i will be drifting rhd....

[Inlandsilvia]

I will be there instructing and chasing cones hope to see everyone else out there!


Bryan, is your up and running yet??? I just got my new clutch installed yesterday on my s13...ready to go..oh, I didn't see you at the last event...i went to go watch but, i will see you there this time...

[koukikat180sx]

wow... that's quite tempting... but i think my car will be under construction... :(

[TheSquidd]

I'm in if Robbie's in. Get yo car back. And bring the Gauntlets.

[240DriftKid]

alright i got a helmet and registered and payed!! im pretty excited this will be my first event!

[240DriftKid]

what are the tech requirements?

[brainfood]

Bryan, is your up and running yet??? I just got my new clutch installed yesterday on my s13...ready to go..oh, I didn't see you at the last event...i went to go watch but, i will see you there this time...

Should be running dont know if it will be driftable, just waiting to get it back so I can finish up some stuff. Hopefully I can take a couple of laps in it but I will need an alignment and cant afford one right now :) probably do one myself for now and then get it corner balanced and setup later.


Tech is pretty straight forward, battery tied down, cover the positive terminal with duct tape or something, seat bolted down, no loose wheels or bearings, brakes work, gas pedal doesnt stick. Normal stuff as long as your car is taken care of should be fine. Just make sure its safe to drive.

[Uisce]

I'll have comprehensive rules and tech on the website in the next day or so, as well as more information about the venue and how to get there.

But for the moment, yes, what Mr Rogers said above covers the big issues.

[Jimmy Up]

im definitely going, whether im there to drive or not will depend on me getting my hands on a stick 240 for cheap- ILL DRIFT ANYTHING so let me know for the love of the drift if you got one for sale or wanna trade for a clean automatic. I NEED TO BE OUT THERE. lol

[LB.Motoring]

I'm in if Robbie's in. Get yo car back. And bring the Gauntlets.

Gauntlets Locked AND Loaded.

http://myspace-077.vo.llnwd.net/01156/77/04/1156754077_l.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Drift3rx240sx/Limit%20Break/86run.jpg

[SDS13COUPE]

DOES IT COST MONEY TO SPECTATE. I AM STILL TRYING TO GET MY CAR REGISTERED AT THE DMV SO I CAN DRIVE UP THERE. IF I GET IT REGISTERED BY THEN I WILL TRY TO ENTER. I HAVE NEVER TRACKED MY CAR SO IT WILL BE A LEARNING EXPIERENCE FOR ME.:bite:

[brainfood]

DOES IT COST MONEY TO SPECTATE. I AM STILL TRYING TO GET MY CAR REGISTERED AT THE DMV SO I CAN DRIVE UP THERE. IF I GET IT REGISTERED BY THEN I WILL TRY TO ENTER. I HAVE NEVER TRACKED MY CAR SO IT WILL BE A LEARNING EXPIERENCE FOR ME.:bite:

I learn everytime I go out, its always a learning experience. Gotta get out and drive!

[pab_drifter]

i have a 90 240sx have the sohc no lsd can i drift with that

[pab_drifter]

hey akuma s14 i live in fullerton too hit me up

[TheSquidd]

i have a 90 240sx have the sohc no lsd can i drift with that


Take your shit to the nearest welder shop, have them weld your spider gears on your stock diff, and you're 100% ready to go.

[LB.Motoring]

which reminds me, MY new WELDER <333333 it!

[akuma s14]

which reminds me, MY new WELDER <333333 it!

so weld him up!

[sideview_180sx]

Terry if you need a cone guy or basic such and such lemme know. BTW get that rear subframe stuff from me. Call and such.

-Aaron aka BA

Robbie gimme your sohc pieces so I can get my stuff FIXED!!!!

[Uisce]

Big Bad BA, you better get your dark ass out there with us on the 19th!

[SR20DET_RPS13]

I have my 240sx with an sr swap but i dont have a license yet
do u need a license???? what are the rules aswell?

[brainfood]

I think it usually depends on the venue, not sure but BR will chime in and let you know probably.

[Uisce]

I have my 240sx with an sr swap but i dont have a license yet
do u need a license???? what are the rules aswell?

Send me an email at [email protected] and we'll see if we can figure something out.

[s13sr20detsilviastityper]

i might consider it if it was about half the price

youre paying $30 less than a track day, at a REAL track, not some parking lot

prices should be very similar to autox ($40-50)

[Uisce]

i might consider it if it was about half the price

youre paying $30 less than a track day, at a REAL track, not some parking lot

prices should be very similar to autox ($40-50)

Well, I have never heard THAT one before.

I'll tell you what. You can come pay $50, I'll give you 6 laps, and you can pick up cones for the rest of the day. Or have you never been to an auto-x?

We have lost money more times than we have even broken-even doing public events; we do them for the drivers. But don't take my word for it. I'll let the drivers post their feelings about value at our events.

If you can organize a drift event like Drift Buffet or Drift Day and only charge people $50 AND get them the run-time they would get at a track day, I will be the first to sign-up.

[s13sr20detsilviastityper]

Well, I have never heard THAT one before.

I'll tell you what. You can come pay $50, I'll give you 6 laps, and you can pick up cones for the rest of the day. Or have you never been to an auto-x?

We have lost money more times than we have even broken-even doing public events; we do them for the drivers. But don't take my word for it. I'll let the drivers post their feelings about value at our events.

If you can organize a drift event like Drift Buffet or Drift Day and only charge people $50 AND get them the run-time they would get at a track day, I will be the first to sign-up.


ok, that does make a bit more sense if there is no work involved and you get in a lot of time, but STILL, how much can it cost to "rent out" that parking lot? nowhere what it costs to rent a real track....

[cfrost]

oops

*please delete* :)

[cfrost]

ok, that does make a bit more sense if there is no work involved and you get in a lot of time, but STILL, how much can it cost to "rent out" that parking lot? nowhere what it costs to rent a real track....

listen here poochie. both can be very expensive, parking lots are probably more expensive than you think because they're not intended for the wear and tear that racetracks are. They're made for......parking :bite: Also keep in mind (since they aren't made for racing) that some parking lot owners aren't as apt to rent them out and it's alssooooo hard to get insurance. And keep in mind, Drift Buffet has a lot less drivers than track days like SpeedTrial ;)

[brainfood]

ok, that does make a bit more sense if there is no work involved and you get in a lot of time, but STILL, how much can it cost to "rent out" that parking lot? nowhere what it costs to rent a real track....

Have you ever been to a drift event? Why would you post negative comments about an organization or an event you have no experience with? Drift Buffet works hard to do everything they can to facilitate their drivers, $120 for an event is a great price especially with the amount of track time you get. Not to mention the "safe" place to learn and better yourself. Most tracks are much more dangerous than a parking lot event and when learning to drift I would have to say as an instructor I am much more comfortable in the car with a new driver when all there is to hit is cones. I know that as a knew driver there is a great deal of comfort when all there is to hit is cones. You can push a lot harder and learn a lot more, a lot quicker when you arent worried about hitting walls or running off course into the dirt or worse. Come out and then judge for yourself but why post comments when you have no experience with the event?

[s13sr20detsilviastityper]

Have you ever been to a drift event? Why would you post negative comments about an organization or an event you have no experience with? Drift Buffet works hard to do everything they can to facilitate their drivers, $120 for an event is a great price especially with the amount of track time you get. Not to mention the "safe" place to learn and better yourself. Most tracks are much more dangerous than a parking lot event and when learning to drift I would have to say as an instructor I am much more comfortable in the car with a new driver when all there is to hit is cones. I know that as a knew driver there is a great deal of comfort when all there is to hit is cones. You can push a lot harder and learn a lot more, a lot quicker when you arent worried about hitting walls or running off course into the dirt or worse. Come out and then judge for yourself but why post comments when you have no experience with the event?

perhaps it is because i do have experience on track and i enjoy road racing more than autox, i would just rather go to a track day for $30 more

sure, ill come out, for $50 and then help pick up cones 1/2 the time

[cfrost]

so why are you worried about a drift event?

[s13sr20detsilviastityper]

i never said i wouldnt enjoy doing it, i said i wouldnt enjoy paying $120 to slide around ina parking lot when i can go race on a RACE TRACK for $150
but when you look at it, it would cost the owners just about the same to run as an autox
no reason for it to be so expensive, and you dont only get in 6 runs at a typical autox

[Uisce]

It costs about as much to rent a parking lot of sufficient size as it does to rent Buttonwillow, Willow Springs, or Irwindale. How do I know? Well, this isn't our first rodeo. The insurance and safety issues, however, are far more difficult in a parking lot. That wasn't always the case with drifting but, for various reasons, in the past year or so most parking lot owners have closed their doors to drifting.

Auto-x events offset their fixed costs with volume. We could run 80 drivers at a much lower price, but nobody would learn anything. We prefer to run fewer drivers and maximize seat-time. The advantage to parking lot events is that we can keep things safe and fun for drifters of all skill levels; everyone can push their limits that extra little bit because the worst that happens is a few cones get mauled. I'm perfectly happy to buy more cones in order to give the drivers the best possible experience.

I've done my share of track days, and I can tell you that drifting is a far harder skill to master than "racing" at the HPDE level. Unlike a track-day, where you might go 'round and 'round for hours and think you are fast, there is no hiding skill- or a lack thereof- in drifting. Maximum seat time and maximum instruction time is the only way to advance.

In any case, I'm sorry that you feel that our events are not worth your money. Maybe someday you'll follow the lead of the 200+ happy drivers we have had attend our events in the past, from first-timers to D1 hopefuls to masters like Millen and Kumakubo, and come give it a try. We'd be more than happy to help you learn.

[s13sr20detsilviastityper]

so to summarize

the reason you charge so much is because of the instruction
BUT, if you dont need/want instruction (i mean, what is there to hit in a parking lot) then you are still charged the same amount
this is why you should charge for lessons seperately to keep down the cost for the ones who dont need it

good luck with your "company", ill stick to cheaper events

and to the "moderator" that took a point away from me, GROW UP hahaha that was the most incomprehensible thing i have ever seen from a moderator.

[Uisce]

"What we've got here, is failure to communicate. Some men, you just can't reach..."

Good luck with whatever it is you choose to do!

[TheSquidd]

I've done my share of track days, and I can tell you that drifting is a far harder skill to master than "racing" at the HPDE level. Unlike a track-day, where you might go 'round and 'round for hours and think you are fast, there is no hiding skill- or a lack thereof- in drifting. Maximum seat time and maximum instruction time is the only way to advance.

If there is any hole in your arguement I would say it is this.

I have done drift days, and I have done speedtrial style events, and I find speedtrial/time attack/racing to be FAR harder than drifting at almost every level.

There is a pressure to perform in standard 'racing' that isn't there in drifting. Drifting is about having fun; and being sloppy with your lines and making mistakes isn't really a big deal, while at a time attack or speedtrial event, if you mess up, theres a Corvette and a Porsche right behind you pressuring you to get the hell out of the way. I've never felt more pressure to perform and felt like more of a crappy driver than at a 'grip' event, while at drifting, who the heck cares how good you are.

Then again this is why I drift, I can suck at drifting and still have a blast.
Suck at 'gripping' and I just feel like an a-hole.

This is probably just cause I'm not that good of a driver, so my lack of talent, and confidence in my machine really shows when I'm slugging it up at Streets of Willow Springs vs. Sliding haphazardly at The Oval or a parking lot.

Anyway, this thread is about the event, and it sounds great to me. See you on the 19th! I heard the layout last time was big enough for 3rd gear? Woot!

[94cc0rd]

are there pics of the actual track?? or videos perhaps?

i really wanna go out to another event... only been to one @ the oval with Justdrift... it was really fun and now that i have a job and some money... i wanna go out again.

[Uisce]

The track changes every time. That's part of the beauty of a parking lot cone-course. But if you look around a little you'll find both pictures and video of the previous configurations.

Registration is available at www.driftbuffet.com

Hopefully we'll see you there!

[drift-it]

are there pics of the actual track?? or videos perhaps?

i really wanna go out to another event... only been to one @ the oval with Justdrift... it was really fun and now that i have a job and some money... i wanna go out again.

You should go to this event I went to my first event the drift circuit/drift buffet event a couple weekends ago and had a blast, and I plan on going to this one. here's some pics on shift-lock.net not sure if you have to registar to see the pics.

http://www.shift-lock.net/shiftlockforum/viewtopic.php?t=43

[s13coupedrfter]

When will a drivers list be up?

[Uisce]

We don't typically post a drivers list.

I handle the driver info by email. If you are on my mailing list but not registered, then you got an email tonight. If you are registered and paid, then you got a different email tonight. If you are registered but not paid, then you will get an email in the next few days.

If I get enough requests from registered drivers or past attendees (not people who aren't going to go but have some voyeristic need to know who goes to what events) then I'll post a list on www.driftbuffet.com.

Are you concerned that your registration was not received?

[sideview_180sx]

so to summarize

the reason you charge so much is because of the instruction
BUT, if you dont need/want instruction (i mean, what is there to hit in a parking lot) then you are still charged the same amount
this is why you should charge for lessons seperately to keep down the cost for the ones who dont need it

good luck with your "company", ill stick to cheaper events

and to the "moderator" that took a point away from me, GROW UP hahaha that was the most incomprehensible thing i have ever seen from a moderator.

I've also noticed your in mexico, where in the hell does mexico really matter. It doesn't, just like your comments. The thread is for notification of an event coming up and for those who have signed up and want to sign to discuss. Not a damn fanboy to piss and moan about pricing, get the facts straight life will not get any cheaper. Deal with it, get off your moms tit and shut your mouth. Get tires and drive, if you want to go to a track then do.

[Uisce]

Easy killer, he completely missed what I was saying and is clearly not a drifter anyway. Don't waste your hate. :bash:

Just to clarify, the cost comes from the venue price and insurance. In order to get everyone a lot of run time, the price per car is higher than it is for auto-x where there are a lot of cars and very little seat time.

It has nothing to do with instruction.

Now let's get this thread back on-track...

[brainfood]

Easy killer, he completely missed what I was saying and is clearly not a drifter anyway. Don't waste your hate. :bash:

Just to clarify, the cost comes from the venue price and insurance. In order to get everyone a lot of run time, the price per car is higher than it is for auto-x where there are a lot of cars and very little seat time.

It has nothing to do with instruction.

Now let's get this thread back on-track...


To clarify Instruction and Course workers are on a purely volunteer basis. I come out for the drivers, same reason Brian and Terry put the event on its not a cash cow its for the drivers to come out and enjoy and learn. I would lots rather come out and help out and see everyone get better and see the level of drifting raise then go out and not talk to anyone and drift my own car. So sign up come out and drive and enjoy!!!! and if you have something to complain about when you have never been to an db event keep the comments to yourself, it just makes no sense to post here. Now after you come out and you have some constructive critism then by all means let one of us know we are here for you guys.

[s13coupedrfter]

Typically how many slots are there total? I'm trying to get some of my friends to register and go tear up some tires!

[Uisce]

Typically how many slots are there total? I'm trying to get some of my friends to register and go tear up some tires!

In order to maximize seat-time, most of our events are limited to 35 drivers. With this new venue, however, we might be able to open-up a second course if there are enough people (40-45+). We would need to know that well in advance though, so we can arrange a second fire/safety crew.

As it stands now we have about 30 people registered, which is about right for one course plus the skidpad. Of course, there are always people that register, don't pay, and don't show. We keep a database of those people, by the way; we know who you are. At the same time there are always people who assume that we knew they were going and just show up.

To make sure your spot will not be lost, you need to pay when you register. You will get an email if your spot is in jeopardy so you have a chance to make payment arrangements before we sell it to someone else.

If your friends want to come, tell them to get their stuff together and get signed-up!

[Chasmoore04]

IS THIS GUY F'ING SERIOUS??? Pay 120 to go drive irwindale, when you drive your car into a wall, have fun with that bill. The tow back to mexico is a lot more then 120



Drift Buffet is a great event. Very safe. worth every penny. Plenty of advanced drivers (who dont have cars :keke: :kiss: ) who will help you out. You get lots of track time, and yea.

[Chasmoore04]

I register and never go. Then I just show up and drive. Does that mean we are even?

[Uisce]

I register and never go. Then I just show up and drive. Does that mean we are even?

Chas, you big poser :2f2f:

You're going to have to show up a few more times before we are even, by my count!

Are you coming on the 19th sucka?

[240DriftKid]

when will the site be updated?

[turboeic]

so weld him up!
yea me too so i can get crunk too:squintd:

[LB.Motoring]

Send me an email at [email protected] and we'll see if we can figure something out.


brian, do you know mike? s14 green, land ho` guy also...but I think hes been AFK for a while.

well, I wanna see If i can make this the 19th, Im local so its an ez drive, as apposed to willow etc.

keep me updated.

-R

[Uisce]

Yeah, I know Migs. He has been a little hard to find lately, but he is probably just sleeping (sometimes it is hard to tell if he is asleep or awake).

Hope to see you there. Have you registered yet?

[gotta240]

i'm surprised at Uisce's maturity.... Not seen too often on Zilvia!!! Props...lol.

Ok..to my question.

I have a corolla and a s14. I don't want to drive either one of them all day. Would you allow me to drive both cars? Its a semi-far drive, but if you'd let me drive both, i'd be more than happy to pay now and attend.

thanks!
Mike at [email protected]

[sideview_180sx]

figure out how to get both cars out there, they are usually much much more reasoning then most.

Akuma bring tha truckity truck truck to pick up that subframe on that weekend.........

[Uisce]

i'm surprised at Uisce's maturity.... Not seen too often on Zilvia!!! Props...lol.

Ok..to my question.

I have a corolla and a s14. I don't want to drive either one of them all day. Would you allow me to drive both cars? Its a semi-far drive, but if you'd let me drive both, i'd be more than happy to pay now and attend.

thanks!
Mike at [email protected]

You can bring as many cars as you want. It is the driver that registers and pays, not the car.

It's when it goes the other way around that we have a problem. If you brought a friend and wanted him to get a few laps too, he would have to register and pay for himself. If we caught you swapping drivers when only one paid, then you would be escorted out of the facility.

So I guess the direct answer you were actually looking for is yeah, bring both cars, I'm all for it.

[SR20DET_RPS13]

damn unlicensed wih i could go since it will be the only place to tear it up with out worry for po po. oh well back to the touge.

[SR20DET_RPS13]

damn unlicensed:down: wih i could go since it will be the only place to tear it up with out worry for po po. oh well back to the touge:hs:
.

[brainfood]

Crunch time people, if you havnt signed up and are on the fence or cant decide sign up you wont be disapointed!!!

[Wykydtron]

I posted up about it on my site to help spread the word. Hope this event is a success. ^_^

[RHDintegXSI]

not sure if the question has already been asked but..

are there any kind of requiments needed? tech inspection, certain helmet etc..

just registered a few days ago..cant wait

[brainfood]

Basic tech inspection, nothing loose car is safe and not leaking at all. Seats are bolted down, battery cover over the positive terminal. Need m2000 or sa2000 or newer helmet. Edit: not leaking at all :)

[Uisce]

Um, how about not leaking at all?

I put a tech guideline on the DB website http://www.driftbuffet.com/eventinfo.htm

Thanks for your support guys, we'll see you Sunday

[RHDintegXSI]

goodstuff

cant wait!

[240DriftKid]

dang i just read the tech requirements and uh i dont think i can drive my car... it leaks power steering fluid a lil bit would i be able to get a credit for the next event? i payed and registered already.

[Uisce]

dang i just read the tech requirements and uh i dont think i can drive my car... it leaks power steering fluid a lil bit would i be able to get a credit for the next event? i payed and registered already.

Fix the leak! Power steering is a pressure system, so if it only leaks a little, it could just be the resevoir. Where is the leak and how bad is it?

BTW guys, "no leaks" is standard tech for every track event everywhere in the country. So is the battery tie-down. Most cars ooze something here and there, but it shouldn't be leaving fluid on the ground (that's the real concern).

I am constantly amazed by how many people bring me their car for tech with no battery strap and leaking fluids and a back seat full of random crap. That is not a track-ready condition. You still have a few days, so make sure your equipment is good before Sunday!

[gotta240]

still spots? if so i'm signing up!!

crap! Where can i buy the cheapest useable helmet possible!?!?! I need it asap..like by tomorrow!!!

or can i rent one?

oh and your site said a 95 or newer helmet i believe, but you just posted 2000 and newer.. which one?

[Uisce]

Since a number of people still haven't paid, you are more than welcome to come out. Show up tomorrow, give me $120 cash before 9:00am, and you'll be good.

As far as helmets go, for practice events, any SNELL 95 or newer helmet is ok. For competition we require M2000 or SA2000.

I would suggest buying the newer spec, as the M95 and SA95 helmets are being phased-out by every sanctioning body.

I wouldn't buy a used helmet, I would buy a new one. You can get a SNELL helmet from any motorcycle shop for about $100. Just make sure that it is SNELL-approved. If it only says "DOT" on the back, then it is probably not going to work.

With helmets, though, you get what you pay for. As the old saying goes, "if you only have a $100 head, then you only need a $100 helmet."

[gotta240]

can you post an exact address for us "out of towners"? Need something to mapquest off of... thanks!

[Uisce]

The address is:

NOS Events Center
689 South "E" Street
San Bernardino, CA 92408

If you go to http://www.driftbuffet.com/eventinfo.htm
you can find general directions as well as the tech guidelines and other useful info.

[s13coupedrfter]

It was a fun event but there's some things that can be done to make it better...

1. Instead of having run groups A/B switch on the hour try having them color coded like blue group and red group that way at the track entrance you could put a flag of the same color to indicate the group running.

2. Towards the end of the day there was both A/B cars on the track. I got yelled at for being out there (I was B group) when it was A group's turn. The track worker said their is no B group out and I look back and there's a couple on B cars there. He then said they were instructors. To avoid the confusion, if instructors are going to be on the track they should be identified as such.

3. Track organizers/workers should recognizable. The same T-shirt with DB logo or something, everyone was in street clothes.

4. At the end of the course put a checkered flag so everyone will know when to let off. There was quite a few (including myself) who would throttle or slide around into the back strait (got yelled at for this one too).

I hope this helps and that DB and drivers can benefit from these changes.

[DriftSpecS14]

i must say thats is so good advice seeing as i was instucting on the skid pad and screwin around all day it would be alot easier with a cheerleader outfit and sum colored pom poms for me brian and terry!

way to host a kick A$$ event and i didnt even drive just got sunburned hehe ill be driving the 30th

thanks guys

-Riley:fawkd:

[gotta240]

actually those were excellent suggestions. Thanks for a GREAT track day!!!

1.The "worker/instructor" shirts is a MUST. When i showed up it took me 20 minutes to find one of the "three main guys".

2. pick up ALL the cones more often. Or at least every hour on the hour for rotations. In the last 3 hours or so, only the cones in the middle of the track were being reset, while half the others(still in place though) were on side.

Not flaming the event at all, just offering suggestions as requested in the final driver meeting.

All in all, GREAT day, lots of fun, great people, and i LEARNED a lot!!!!

[cfrost]

fun event, can't wait for the next one

[brainfood]

actually those were excellent suggestions. Thanks for a GREAT track day!!!

1.The "worker/instructor" shirts is a MUST. When i showed up it took me 20 minutes to find one of the "three main guys".

2. pick up ALL the cones more often. Or at least every hour on the hour for rotations. In the last 3 hours or so, only the cones in the middle of the track were being reset, while half the others(still in place though) were on side.

Not flaming the event at all, just offering suggestions as requested in the final driver meeting.

All in all, GREAT day, lots of fun, great people, and i LEARNED a lot!!!!

Glad you enjoyed the event, I am going to talk to Terry and Brian about shirts, and a cheerleading outfit for Riley :) Some of the cones started on their sides. The ones standing up on the inside of the turns were apex cones and the ones laying down were to outline the course.

[JSpecBnr32]

ya i was there awesome event!!!!! drive home is gonna be fun though...

[Uisce]

It was a fun event but there's some things that can be done to make it better...

1. Instead of having run groups A/B switch on the hour try having them color coded like blue group and red group that way at the track entrance you could put a flag of the same color to indicate the group running.

2. Towards the end of the day there was both A/B cars on the track. I got yelled at for being out there (I was B group) when it was A group's turn. The track worker said their is no B group out and I look back and there's a couple on B cars there. He then said they were instructors. To avoid the confusion, if instructors are going to be on the track they should be identified as such.

3. Track organizers/workers should recognizable. The same T-shirt with DB logo or something, everyone was in street clothes.

4. At the end of the course put a checkered flag so everyone will know when to let off. There was quite a few (including myself) who would throttle or slide around into the back strait (got yelled at for this one too).

I hope this helps and that DB and drivers can benefit from these changes.


I appreciate the feedback, but since this was posted on a public forum, I should probably respond. I'll address these point-by-point. Please don't take this as an attack. We really do appreciate the input.

1) Color-coded groups. Not a bad idea, and we might give it a try. To be honest, though, I don't think it is particularly hard to keep track of group rotations every hour on the hour, especially when there are only two groups. You are either on the main course during any given hour, or you aren't. I'm not sure I understand why colors and flags would make that easier.

2) There were an even-number of sessions for each group today. If your group is not on the track, don't go out there. There are a number of reasons why a car that says "B" would be on the track during the "A" group session. The driver is the one assigned the group letter, not the car. If a group A driver wants to drive a group B driver's car, there is no reason why he shouldn't. He just needs to let us know. Or it may well be an instructor. I'm not sure how you could identify an instructor as such, since they are almost never driving their own cars. In either case that doesn't mean that a group B driver should be on the course during group A's run time.

4) I skipped to 4 because it goes well with the first two. Lifting off the throttle as you go through the exit gate is basic safety and track etiquitte. The first time you do it, we will ask you not to do it again. If you do it repeatedly, then you need to be told more harshly. The end of the course is clearly defined, and if you choose to ignore it, I don't see how a stationary flag is going to change that. But we'll make it a point to address this issue more clearly in the driver's meeting.

I think the difficulty here comes from inexperienced drivers. Most drifters have little to no experience with road racing or auto-x or any other traditional racing environment, so they aren't familiar with group rotations, or cones on their side to indicate turn direction. Track etiquette is something drifters should try to learn, because most are in for quite a shock when they try to run a track day with a large organization (try NASA or SCCA).

However, both of you addressed the shirt issue. You are absolutely 100% correct.

We have shirts on-order, but they didn't arrive before this weekend. We know that is a problem and we are already fixing it.

Like I said, I am not attacking you, and we appreciate the input. I'm simply trying to say, and I think most experienced drivers will agree with me, that some of the issues you mentioned above are driver experience problems.

Keep the feedback coming! If you don't want to discuss it publicly, you can always send me an email at [email protected]

And, of course, a BIG THANKS to everyone who came out to drive, or watch, or whatever.

[Uisce]

actually those were excellent suggestions. Thanks for a GREAT track day!!!

1.The "worker/instructor" shirts is a MUST. When i showed up it took me 20 minutes to find one of the "three main guys".

2. pick up ALL the cones more often. Or at least every hour on the hour for rotations. In the last 3 hours or so, only the cones in the middle of the track were being reset, while half the others(still in place though) were on side.

Not flaming the event at all, just offering suggestions as requested in the final driver meeting.

All in all, GREAT day, lots of fun, great people, and i LEARNED a lot!!!!

Thanks for coming!

1) As I said above, you are right about the shirt. We will also be sure to bring our canopy and banner, and set them up in an obvious location so that people can find Terry or me easily, especially in the morning. The canopy and banner didn't make the trip today because of transportation capacity limitations, but that won't happen again.

2) Like Bryan Rogers said above, most of the cones that were on their sides, were that way for a reason. That is a pretty common convention for both auto-x and drift cone-courses.

Thanks for the feeback, I'm glad you had fun, and I'm even more glad you got a chance to learn. That's the idea of parking-lot days. See you next time!

[Wykydtron]

Excellent meet, definately worth the drive. Unfortunately our car broke down 2 exits from the venue. Our buddy Roger came and pick us up. We left the owned Escort chassie in a parking lot.

Thankfully Larry (Team Lug Nutz) offered his hospitality. We'll be going back to the car tommorrow morning and replacing the belt that snapped <=[ Gleb and I enjoyed the event and hope to attend more Cali ddays. He definately wants to bring his car to attend one of these events.

[Wykydtron]

Excellent meet, definately worth the drive. Unfortunately our car broke down 2 exits from the venue. Our buddy Roger came and pick us up. We left the owned Escort chassie in a parking lot.

Thankfully Larry (Team Lug Nutz) offered his hospitality. We'll be going back to the car tommorrow morning and replacing the belt that snapped <=[ Gleb and I enjoyed the event and hope to attend more Cali ddays. He definately wants to bring his car to attend one of these events.

edit: <=[ I can't delete, appologies for the double post. Internet is acting up. :down:

[akuma s14]

Thanks for coming out guys, I hope everyone had a good time. DB will be in uniform next time. look for photos to show up on shift-lock.net in the near future. You will also have a chance to see yourself in Drift & RWD sport magazine.
See you guys next month.

Terry

[s13coupedrfter]

DB was a great event and fun place to learn. In responce to the suggestions...

The flags were an idea from a grip event at Willow Springs. When there's a large group of drivers a visual communication tool works very well. DB wasn't that crowded and everyone had alot of track time. When groups shift let the track official be the time keeper. On the hour rule can work but peoples watches are not always set the same. Filtering one group into the other might be easyer when there color flag goes up. I think the cheerleader outfit on Reiley would be the most effective visual!

An easy way for instructors to be identified is with an A/B logo instead of one letter or the other. And people with borrowed cars from another run group should be responsible for maintaining there group logo.

At gate exit the checkered flag is an easy visual to indicate course end. The cone up/down to indicate course end can get drowned out by the parking lot full of cones. It's a universal sign with the cones at other events but why not make it better.

This was my first drift event and I loved it! It's a great place to learn in a safe environment. My concerns are to increase communication between drivers/track officials to make DB even better. In the end I learned that monkey see is not monkey do. If I stick to the hour rotation rule I'll be ok. I'm looking forward to the next event and thanks DB for the input.

[gotta240]

damn! I learned something else.... I wish i knew about the cones down versus cones up thing!! That makes perfect sence now that its explained.

This was my first event and i personally didn't see a problem at all with the rotation and a/b thing. Every hour on the hour you change...and the track guys came by and said "last run"... I thought it worked fine.

[Uisce]

I'm glad everyone had a good time. I know I speak for Terry as well when I say that we get a lot of satisfaction from putting on a good event. It is getting harder and harder to put-on safe beginner events, but it is important to us to keep things as grassroots as possible. Seeing everyone have fun and learn and be safe makes it all worthwhile.

Thanks to everyone who came out! And to those who didn't, well, you should come in December and see what it's all about (December event details coming soon).

[cfrost]

can't wait for december....it's going to be "fergalicious"

[miucus]

im gonna try and make it out to the december db

[sc ka24e]

hopefully u guys make it the 30th cause dont think itll be too easy for me on New years eve especially coming from san diego

[gotta240]

i second the above statement.

NEw years eve+san diego=HELL NO.

The 30th is a different story!

[jpnsilvia15]

me and hiro had alot of fun that day, and great for beginners to learn drifting

[Uisce]

me and hiro had alot of fun that day, and great for beginners to learn drifting

Thanks for coming! Yoku yatta nee!

We like beginners. We have good instructors to help them (FD and D1 licesnsed), we make the course safe (go ahead, pull that e-brake and see what happens, it will be fine), and we try to keep the course balanced and technical so both low power and high power cars have to work to get it right.

[davirene]

Great job guys...the event was very impressive for everyone! I thought it was so cool to have Pro's/sponsered cars running with the new kids. It was awesome to see some amateurs holding the same lines as the pros.

Drivers meets were awesome and very informative...just one suggestion...maybe have an official drive the course at the end of the driver meet so you can point out the start, turns, and end.

Near the end we spun on the last turn cause the finish cone was moved (and driver error) causing confusion? Maybe stick a checkered flag in it?

p.s. Riley already has his own cheerleader outfit....I have pics lol lol

David Sr.

[akuma s14]

news flash - december 30th locked in...officiall post to come soon.

[Uisce]

Great job guys...the event was very impressive for everyone! I thought it was so cool to have Pro's/sponsered cars running with the new kids. It was awesome to see some amateurs holding the same lines as the pros.

Drivers meets were awesome and very informative...just one suggestion...maybe have an official drive the course at the end of the driver meet so you can point out the start, turns, and end.

Near the end we spun on the last turn cause the finish cone was moved (and driver error) causing confusion? Maybe stick a checkered flag in it?

p.s. Riley already has his own cheerleader outfit....I have pics lol lol

David Sr.

The drivers meetings were actually not as organized as usual, but we are fixing that. We will make sure everyone understands the course better, and we'll make a point to better mark the course finish (actually, the whole course because we'll lay down chalk next time).

Thanks for coming, and thanks for the feedback. Our next event will have a number of the things we have learned doing the D1 events incorproated into it, since they are geting large enough to require it now.

[s13coupedrfter]

Chalk would help alot. Can't wait till the next event!

[DriftSpecS14]

I <3 Drift Buffet!

[Wykydtron]

Who got pictures? I wanted to blog about it on NissanPacific but I lost my phone down in SoCal. :eek: Luckily it ended up in the hands of Larry Chen. He said he'll fedex it but I can't wait! If anyone has some pics please PM me.

[buku_points]

so set date is dec 30? is the price still $120? i want to go but never have the money at the end of the month!

[Uisce]

so set date is dec 30? is the price still $120? i want to go but never have the money at the end of the month!

It will be December 30, and it will be in a bigger lot. The price will be $120, as usual.

Registration will be open tomorrow (Sunday) as soon as I have a chance to make a few revisions to the registration process.

[Checowa]

Thanks Terry for putting on such a good event. I am going to try to make it on the 30th if I can get my Z fixed. I need a new tranny and LSD :(

You guys can download the video here:

http://lugnutmotorsports.larrychendesign.com/videos/drifting.wmv

You can see the rest of my videos here on my team website:

http://www.lugnutmotorsports.com/

-Larry