rb got reffed, what are my options

[coreansurfer]

the title says it all, got reffed in azusa, cop popped my hood, told me i had an illegal engine and exhaust, now i have to see the state referee, does anyone have any advice for me?

[McRussellPants]

move in with your auntie and uncle in bell air?

[fliprayzin240sx]

Swap back the KA? Or you pay the fine which wont be cheap and hold your breath that they wont crush the car...

Soooo since your prolly gonna be selling your RB soon...I got dibs...

[DrtyRat]

move in with your auntie and uncle in bell air?
Classic!! ROFL!!! Sorry, I know this is a serious issue but that could make anyone laugh

[!Zar!]

Your only options are to swap back to a ka. Or not go to state ref, pay the fine AND get a point on your license because of so. Then hope you don't get caught again, because too many times and your car will be impounded.

[hybrid_eg]

dont sell and dont go see a ref.. swaping in a KA is also out of a question as its just a waist of time cause i'm sure you'll want to put your motor back in after.. and that KA has to be installed and wired to perfection! they will break out a helms manual and some refs will go over every single vacuum line as per manual.. i'm sure you may forget some of them if you decide to go this route.. something is bound to be missing (so my advice, forget about it with the amount of time and money this will take.) for future reference (not saying your car is flashy) but even if it is remotely.. try to tone it down.. try to quiet the muff down, stock looking can, body mods and etc.. you know what i mean.. now about your ref ticket.. transfer your title to your friends name date it like 10 days before you got the ticket, bill of sale etc.. go see a judge and just say car was already sold and you couldnt fix it in time.. he'll prolly waive the muffler ticket and fine you about $500 for modified emissions/fuel (the ref part).. plus your transfer fee that you did on your own.. prolly $50 bucks alltogether and you're done.. transfer back to your name.. i know it may sounds complicated but its really easy.. cost money of course thats why watch it next time and keep the ride low key if you can.. just my .02 cents.. it works i've done it twice..

[!Zar!]

I'm assuming he showed the cops registration and insurance. Which was in his name.

And the state can check to see when and who the vehicle is registered to.

Sounds pathetic.

The vehicle is still illegal.

The law isn't dumb.

[LB.Motoring]

Yah, hey is this... uhhh Im trying to remmber your name, S14 kouki Rb,

anyways. THis is Robby, sorry about what happend man, I tried to stop you :doh:

[Jung918]

We are not disclosing any names to protect the innocent. Right Phil.

[LB.Motoring]

hahah J Dizzle, dont disclose his name!

anyways

Im sorry dude, I took a pic with my cameraphone >_<


hard to see but I tried to ram the cops but i failed >:(

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Drift3rx240sx/Random/10-13-06_0004.jpg

[hybrid_eg]

I'm assuming he showed the cops registration and insurance. Which was in his name.

And the state can check to see when and who the vehicle is registered to.

Sounds pathetic.

The vehicle is still illegal.

The law isn't dumb.

your opinion is appreicated but as i stated before it works just fine and i'm just trying to help the kid out.. vehicle is sold according to the date of the BILL OF SALE, a written agreement between seller and buyer.. when that vehicle is transfered absoultely makes no difference.. buyer simply didnt pick up the car as he owed a small balance.. same thing happened to me twice! btw, courts are only after your money they hardly give a flying about anything else.. i just gave advice.. i'm not forcing anyone here to go for it.. just a reasonable alternative.. as far as being illegal.. please spare us all the BS.. taking your front license plate is illegal not to mention anything else.. i'm sure everyone is well aware of it.. kid asked for advice and thats what i gave.

[cmcdougle]

man, that sucks! sorry to hear that. Good luck. . .

[coreansurfer]

thanks fo the advice/ comments everyone

your opinion is appreicated but as i stated before it works just fine and i'm just trying to help the kid out.. vehicle is sold according to the date of the BILL OF SALE, a written agreement between seller and buyer.. when that vehicle is transfered absoultely makes no difference.. buyer simply didnt pick up the car as he owed a small balance.. same thing happened to me twice! btw, courts are only after your money they hardly give a flying about anything else.. i just gave advice.. i'm not forcing anyone here to go for it.. just a reasonable alternative.. as far as being illegal.. please spare us all the BS.. taking your front license plate is illegal not to mention anything else.. i'm sure everyone is well aware of it.. kid asked for advice and thats what i gave.


sounds good, but what happens if i get pulled over again? and the reason i got pulled over wasnt because my exhaust was loud, its actually pretty quiet, the reason i got pulled over according to the officer: :" you were the last one out of the gas station."

[hybrid_eg]

thanks fo the advice/ comments everyone




sounds good, but what happens if i get pulled over again? and the reason i got pulled over wasnt because my exhaust was loud, its actually pretty quiet, the reason i got pulled over according to the officer: :" you were the last one out of the gas station."

no probs on the advice, anytime.. bottom line cops in CA are well... (i'm sure we all know the answer) if you get popped again just do the same thing.. its quick and easy and thats how i handled mine. You're welcome to go and swap a KA put it all back to stock or what not.. then swap the RB back in.. you can get popped again on the way back home.. no guarantee whichever route you choose!.. but this way you at least save yourself the time of installing a motor twice each time!

[coreansurfer]

so the fact that i transfered the title doesnt go on some sort of record? also my buddy told me that id be able to register the car as non op, then go to court, tell the judge i registered it non op, and re-register(illigally).

[hybrid_eg]

i'm pretty sure that option will work as well.. sounds very interesting.. the judge will like that better i think as he'll see you gave up on it and did non-op and came to see his highness to pay!

but if that doesnt go through, you can always do what i did.. it goes on DMV record but court isnt going to check.. because when you go you will have a copy of the bill of sale with you and copy or registration (you say you got it from a new owner) either way not to worry looks like ur going to handle it, and next time be a hell of a lot more cautious.. (cruises are always a bad idea) i know they are fun but cops always tend to fugg it up for everyone..

[vvtisupra]

or you can give me the rb and ill give you my KA

[daxuza]

just transfer the title bro. i've done it two times w/out any problems on my teg. only had to pay $35. nice way to circumvent the smog nazi laws.

[180sExy]

i say just swap back to a ka an i'll take your Rb motor off you. i'll even pay your court fee's =)
btw j/k

[LB.Motoring]

^not a laughing matter.

Becouse of the new rules its a huge problem. Since they stoped the full payment of reff tickets we are all now screwed.

You need to do extensive research if you think you can go around this. Judges arnt stupid.

[dvdevo]

^not a laughing matter.

Becouse of the new rules its a huge problem. Since they stoped the full payment of reff tickets we are all now screwed.

You need to do extensive research if you think you can go around this. Judges arnt stupid.


man they stopped full payment? that sucks. Heck I didn't even know that they give you a point if you pay the fine. My advice to you is to swap the ka back then get a stockish looking exhaust and one of those Y cutouts on your downpipe.

[vvtisupra]

my question to you guys is... how many of you are actually speaking from experience?

When I went in for illegal smog device they did a quick run through and then smog and I was done

[coreansurfer]

i stopped by the ref today, they just laughed at me

[tibbar650]

What you mean stoped full payment? Whats that mean?

[coreansurfer]

that means you cant just pay the fee and go on your merry way, you need to see the state referee no matter what

[P4rD0nM3]

Sucks to be in that state.

[Wei240]

with great powers comes great responsibilities,

so what are you preparing to do?

[Revolver Ocelot]

i stopped by the ref today, they just laughed at me
SO what did they tell you to do? Iam assuming they told you something. In between the laughter at least.

[hazw8st]

that means you cant just pay the fee and go on your merry way, you need to see the state referee no matter what...


Regardless, you'll get a point on your license...

[DoriftoPnoy]

hmmm this is very interesting. i read on another thread that you can't just simply transfer the title and hope it'll go away. the other option of not going to see a ref was not possible either. im confused....

[coreansurfer]

well, he said something interesting to me, but i want to call back and confirm 100% so i dont get anyones hopes up, but as its going now, the rb is probably comin out -_-

[LB.Motoring]

awwwwwwww ewwwwwwwwww

[84GTSR5]

Man that sucks i live in azusa. Where exactly did you get pulled over, my friend also got poped twice by the same cop so he now has to go back to KA

[LB.Motoring]

ahh dont worry, it was a stupid place, very hott, not very much u could do in the situation.. although you could have chilled... anyways. I hope it works out somehow phil, what does your shop say about all of this?

-Robby

[tani160]

so, what is it that gives it away? I assume the average cop would look under the hood and see a nissan engine and say "oh, a nissan engine" whereas if they saw some nice shiny chrome or other nifty devices they'd write you up for illegal engine modifications. So do these cops actually check the manufacturer plates on the frame and engine? Or do they know the difference between SRs, RBs, and KAs?

[soreballz]

Most of them know. They're trained for these sorts of things now.

[articdragon192]

And there's a book with all this info they carry around.

[Komatsu X]

yea yea. there is a book.. i know because i have 3000 dollors and fix it tickets because i sold my car right after i got the tickets.... i got tickets for my rollcage and steering wheel and about 10 more tickets of other sh*T that i had no ideal what they where talking about.. they really dont pull that book out inless your really doing somthing wrong.. if you driving and just get pulled over for loud exhaust.. there not going to pull that book out.. there to lazy..lol

i was in a big bust with about 50 cars drifting in a lot.. about 10 cars got away.. everyone else had to pop there hoods and every 240sx there had sr20's and was even a real rhd silvia.. and everyone got fit it tickets for sickers on windows and exhaust and things like that.. i was last one.. and i was black so yea they pulled out the book and fucked me over so bad they ended up towing my car.... and everyone else got away with fix it tickits and i was the only one with a sr=( and i had to walk home at 2am took me like 3hours or more... what funny is the real silvia only got a ticket for a air filter lol and it had 3 in exhaust.

[widegts]

Ya i am also scared, and somewhat ready to get popped. I have people lined up to sell my, running strong btw, rb25. I love the motor, my rims, and everything. Yet i also know i will get popped sooner or later. Shit look at the damn car...

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/michaelquinnapelagio/project-240/1989%20Nissan%20240%20Coupe%20SE/DSCF0573-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/michaelquinnapelagio/project-240/1989%20Nissan%20240%20Coupe%20SE/DSCF0574.jpg

as for ADVICE : My moms works at the twin towers (sheriff dept), and she even told me the things the police knows now a days. I have read the advice some of you gave, they are good for the most part. I thought of just paying it, yet you cant now. I thought of the whole transfering title, and many other things, in the end you wont be happy. Youll have to get the RB out, either way... if you want to keep on driving your car regularly.

IF I GET POPPED, i figured, might as well go out w/ a bang and have all the damn illegal shit i can have. WHY? STUPID? Ya well, when you know youll be popped, and you cant do anything about it, i might as well keep my head up HIGH ahaha and go out w/ a bank.

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I have a friend that owns a SR20 Professional shop, he can swap out your RB, and install the KA in your car. Then its up to you if you want it back in your car.

As for the visual / smog check with your KA installed, as long as you pass smog, and have BEFORE / AFTER Pics of your motor bay, you should be fine. They will inspect your vehicle in and out, but in the end, as long as it passes smog, and is the right motor for the car, youll be fine. To kind of kiss ass to the REF, get a test only smog place SMOG your car before you go to the REF. So you can show the ref you did what you can to try to return what you did wrong (tho its not wrong i think to try to fix up cars, just like how BIKERS and TRUCKERS fix up there shit, and they dont get in trouble!)

ok thats my two cents,.. ill stop typing ... hehe i think i put enough thought into your head bro...

GOOD LUCK!

[cmcdougle]

What exhaust do you have? I need a quiet exhaust. What did they say at ref?

[widegts]

my exhaust is a magnaflow...

[slow92_s13]

now where do you live again? I've never heard of stuff like this, pretty ridiculous!

[coreansurfer]

in cali, im gonna fight the ticket, the dumbass officer totally fucked it up, he didnt write my age, the model of the car, he put that im the registered owner, which im not. also he put that my car is grey http://pic15.picturetrail.com/VOL565/3467002/7124983/170481886.jpg

i dont care how dark it is, my car is purple, bitch ass cop

[widegts]

it wont hurt to fight it, because in the end... u never know U MIGHT WIN -=O)

if the cop dont show.. HELL YA!

[chr0nik_sm0k3]

get a sniper and make sure the cop doesnt show....... but yeah sucks that shit happened to you

[LB.Motoring]

yAh phil, try and fight it,

[drift freaq]

what were you doing when he pulled you over?

[LB.Motoring]

being in a situation, being at the gas station where there was suspeshes shit going on, aka a whole bunch of ricer boys

[GooseXRS]

umi thin ki would go the route of the hybrid eg advice. you may have showed evidence of proof of insurance and liscence but it doesnt matter cause if you sold the car to one of your friends, chance are the paper work would be written, and like he said just say he didnt pay for all of it, and you were still driving it till he payed the rest, that is why you still had it insured. like he said the stae just wants your money. so give them a little. its all just paper work . i think its alot easier than swappin the ka.
good luck. all you can do is try.

[GooseXRS]

ooohhhhh if you want to fight it here i some advice. to make your odds of the cop not showin, just keep resceaduling your court date. like wait till the day before you are suppoesd to go to court and than cal in and say your feeling ill or theres a family emergency, whatever it is, the cop will keep thinking your not goin to show up and its a waste of his time, if you change the date 3 or four times. i got this advice from a friend who is a cop. it works, he did it twice befroe he was a cop, and he says he recommends it to friends who are going to fight the po po. so theres another option. dont hate just an idea. good luck again.

[SimpleS14]

Sucks to be in that state.

I'm with you on that one. Also, I think your suppose to use a Japan flag instead of a US one in your sig. ;)

[widegts]

GooseXRS - yup you are correct, it actually works... my friends got dismissed so many times.. ahaha its actually pathetic but funny, and worth the shot

[P4rD0nM3]

I'm with you on that one. Also, I think your suppose to use a Japan flag instead of a US one in your sig. ;)

Hehe. But why the japanese flag? It's a 240 not a 180. I'd be posing then...although they're pretty much the same.

Go live in Colorado! w00t!

[woodchuck]

sux you got popped. nice shot at JER btw. your go zigens look *very* familiar. lol. so this is RB #2 down the drain. :fart:

[Jung918]

Cops get paid to go to court. Some like the overtime.

[420sx]

let me tell you something. dont cry about this. putting ka back will take less than a day. go to ref, come back swap again. fuck em. life is shit, but if u love ur car u will do this.

also get urself a track car to drift and a stock car to drive around. then u wont have thisissue

[coreansurfer]

let me tell you something. dont cry about this. putting ka back will take less than a day. go to ref, come back swap again. fuck em. life is shit, but if u love ur car u will do this.

also get urself a track car to drift and a stock car to drive around. then u wont have thisissue

HAH! who the fucks crying? im fighting this fucking ticket as we speak.

sux you got popped. nice shot at JER btw. your go zigens look *very* familiar. lol. so this is RB #2 down the drain. :fart:

yup thats where i go to work for free

and i wonder why those 5zigens look so familiar(still got those gramlights for me?)

shamelss plug, JER oc's best shop for japanese performance(sorry steve)
hahaha

james, toss in an appropriate cat picture

[Wei240]

those gramlites are gone, haha (no, not to me)

a shame on the first wreck, saw it laying at the shop in shambles...

[Jung918]

http://www.kang.tv/james_files/misc/Gocryemokid.jpg

[SimpleS14]

Hehe. But why the japanese flag? It's a 240 not a 180. I'd be posing then...although they're pretty much the same.

Go live in Colorado! w00t!

240 was made in Japan...right? :D




My part of VA has emissions...but none of that ref crap...thank goodness

[cosil8e]

Go live in Colorado! w00t!

i often have thoughts of moving back to socal(again). but things like this keep me from doing it. it's just too complicated to try to skirt the law. P4rD0nM3 and me both live in parts of colorado that don't even have emissions testing. so yeah, move out of that damn state :D j/k of course because again, i'd love to move back.

[Nuisance Crew]

also isn't there a deal in CA where you can "appear" just by sending a writen statement, and then if you don't like the decision, you can appeal, and then actually show up?

[P4rD0nM3]

240 was made in Japan...right? :D




My part of VA has emissions...but none of that ref crap...thank goodness

Whatever you win. T_T Pif.


:duh:

[lilredstiffy]

write a letter to arnold

[!Zar!]

"Dear Mr. Schwarzenegger,
I recently purchaced things I knew weren't road legal for my car. Now an officer has pulled me over. Is there anything you can do to legalise my car and make it so I as well as countless other californians can pollute and disobey they law?"

[drift freaq]

"Dear Mr. Schwarzenegger,
I recently purchaced things I knew weren't road legal for my car. Now an officer has pulled me over. Is there anything you can do to legalise my car and make it so I as well as countless other californians can pollute and disobey they law?"
So well put Mel. It seems like out of state people and even in state people still have not figured out that basically any of the preferred installs of Japanese engines into our cars are illegal,all over the U.S. regardless of emission laws, period!
The moral here is, if your going to do something thats illegal, your going to have to live with the consquences of possibly getting caught for it.
Does that mean we condone all crime? No. Does it mean we rationalize a reason for us having some undeniable right to break the law? Well some of the people on this board feel that way. I can honestly say that yes I know and yes if I get stopped well shit I pay. I can also honestly say that yes I run a hi flow cat. Why? I feel that at least I can try and keep the car on the clean side so I am breaking the law in spirit but trying to do my part to keep the air clean. I am sick of the people inside of California and outside of California straight up disregarding emissions and emission output laws because they just don't like them. Man what a bunch of selfish shit. Global warming is a reality, we are on the front lines of the future of our world and our possible childrens world. The least we can do is at least try to keep our engines from putting out tons of crap. That said, yes I do not like the idea of atmospheric blowoffs.
Do I agree with the visual inspections? No. Though they are here and I have to live with that. At least I have a bit of peace of mind knowing I am doing something about my tailpipe emissions.
If you don't like a law, go to the democratic way. Write your congressman, get involved in politics, get petitions and circulate them for getting bills to change the rules, talk to Sema and participate.
Don't and a big don't just sit bitch and then break them and then cry how its wrong and you protest by just not even trying to do your part or participating in the process to change laws.

[hybrid_eg]

dave the ozone hole is gonna patch itself up anyways with time, we're prolly not going to be here to see it so meanwhile i'm going to enjoy the smog illegal flame throwing vroom-vroom :-) i look at it on a brightside as well.. hybrid cars are increasing like there is no tomorrow, i would not be surprised if they become the industry standard which in return will reduce pollution even further leaving us the hooligans only a small fraction accounted for destruction.. practically not even a concern to the environment :-) and yes i agree with the fact we live in the anally picky state of CA where we drive our cars like scared rabbits looking everywhere to see if there is a cop around.. then when you get popped u look for a second job to pay for a ticket! hahaha

p.s. i'm just fuggin with you DAVE!

[coreansurfer]

also isn't there a deal in CA where you can "appear" just by sending a writen statement, and then if you don't like the decision, you can appeal, and then actually show up?

yup, thats what im doing right now

[LB.Motoring]

tell him your gonna vote for him again, and please inclose one free card :keke:

[420sx]

stop being a bitch i like i said before. find a fuckin ka, take off a day of work swap it in, go to ref, take it up the ass (not literally), come back and put rb back in. thats all u got to do. really not that much work.

[CNDC]

wait. i thought jdm engines ran as clean. Anyway how does all of that emission shit matter. When you got countries like China, who just dont give a fuck.

[coreansurfer]

stop being a bitch i like i said before. find a fuckin ka, take off a day of work swap it in, go to ref, take it up the ass (not literally), come back and put rb back in. thats all u got to do. really not that much work.


why dont you just go to hell, while i fight this ticket:D

[drift freaq]

wait. i thought jdm engines ran as clean. Anyway how does all of that emission shit matter. When you got countries like China, who just dont give a fuck.
well gee, let me see. If Joe runs into traffic on the freeway and gets a kick out of it, yet manages not to killed, I should do it to for the thrill of it? Not. I.E. your China analogy is just plain stupid and right up there with our current goverment that would not sign the Kyoto accord to cut down on global pollution.
Let me see, we are the worlds largest super power and we contribute 1/3 to the global condition pollution wise. So your reasoning is if China and third world nations don't do it we should not either. Well lets just accelerate down the road to our own demise a little faster in the name of corporate oversight and greed and choke ourselves on the way. Not.
Regardless of what other countries do or do not do the U.S. plays the role of world leader whether its liked or not. If we are going to do that we have to do that in every facet. Otherwise the other countries do not see a reason to do it themselves aka lead by example.
It is the U.S.'s obligation to the rule we have assumed that we need to do that. Otherwise no one agrees nothing gets done and we all die faster and our children are left with a world they cannot live in. You have great forsight. NOT!!
California is hated by a lot of you, just because it chooses to lead by example, in the pollution department. I know you guys don't like that. Fact is though and I have said this before, we have cleaner air now than 30 years ago for the sake of it.
I stated it before I will state it again, I have a cat on my RB car a high flow cat, why? Its the least I can do so there is cleaner air. Now if you guys are so self centered and egotistical, to not be able to care one iota about your fellow man or your possible children, well then you guys need to stop smoking your own crack and wake the fuck up.

[locodrftr]

hey i got pulled over twice by the same cop in azusa, i live here but dont commute much around the area in my car. i got pulled over in june and told not to drive around till i goto ref but i never went. drove my car day after i got pulled over and drove it up till this october until i got pulled over again by same cop coming home from school.got two of the same tickets now and go to deal with the first ticket on the 25th of this month. u still gotta pay fine even if u want to see the judge but i'll see how things go this week.
no more sr as daily driver, but hopefully a datsun 510 with sr

[!Zar!]

Good thing the cop didn't remember, because he should've towed your car and given you a driving infraction for still driving it.

You better ref your car and pay the fines, or else you're going to be getting points on your license.

[CNDC]

well gee, let me see. If Joe runs into traffic on the freeway and gets a kick out of it, yet manages not to killed, I should do it to for the thrill of it? Not. I.E. your China analogy is just plain stupid and right up there with our current goverment that would not sign the Kyoto accord to cut down on global pollution.
Let me see, we are the worlds largest super power and we contribute 1/3 to the global condition pollution wise. So your reasoning is if China and third world nations don't do it we should not either. Well lets just accelerate down the road to our own demise a little faster in the name of corporate oversight and greed and choke ourselves on the way. Not.
Regardless of what other countries do or do not do the U.S. plays the role of world leader whether its liked or not. If we are going to do that we have to do that in every facet. Otherwise the other countries do not see a reason to do it themselves aka lead by example.
It is the U.S.'s obligation to the rule we have assumed that we need to do that. Otherwise no one agrees nothing gets done and we all die faster and our children are left with a world they cannot live in. You have great forsight. NOT!!
California is hated by a lot of you, just because it chooses to lead by example, in the pollution department. I know you guys don't like that. Fact is though and I have said this before, we have cleaner air now than 30 years ago for the sake of it.
I stated it before I will state it again, I have a cat on my RB car a high flow cat, why? Its the least I can do so there is cleaner air. Now if you guys are so self centered and egotistical, to not be able to care one iota about your fellow man or your possible children, well then you guys need to stop smoking your own crack and wake the fuck up.


That was not my reasoning, i meant was that even if you have a lot of emmision laws. On a Global Scale. It wouldn't matter as much becuase you do have those third world nations, who don't regulate it. Therefore on a world stage, will having one state with strict emmission laws affect global warming. Mostly not because there are other places in the world that have no emmision restrictions and still use leaded gas. As a matter of fact the Ozone hole has actually gotten bigger since i think 2003. Also you do have to take in consideration the rapid industral growth of places like China. In a decade or so they will use almost just as much resources as the United States and have the same amount of pollution. So on a global scale how much cleaner will our planet be. You said America controls 1/3rd of the pollution. What about the other 2/3rds? Yes we can lead by example. Yet how is that possible when most of Europe, after we invaded iraq, disagrees with our government and our policies. Let alone some people in our own governement think global warming is a myth. So im saying is it really worth it to have strict emmision laws? Not even the whole country abides by them and on a world scale will it even have an impact. Yes it will slow down global warming hopefully. But isnt global warming inevitable, since more countries are indrustrializing. Therefore polluting.We're only stalling the inevitable so you might as well stretch your legs alittle. Most people will probably not see global warming or pollution take dramatic effect on the climate in there lifetime anyway. so why do you bitch about it? Things tend to change. One year the air will be clean. One year it wont. Half the time you dont notice. so why does it matter?

[coreansurfer]

i have a cat, ive never taken it off, and ill pass the sniffer test, my sin is having an engine without an american counterpart.

[!Zar!]

That was not my reasoning, i meant was that even if you have a lot of emmision laws. On a Global Scale. It wouldn't matter as much becuase you do have those third world nations, who don't regulate it. Therefore on a world stage, will having one state with strict emmission laws affect global warming. Mostly not because there are other places in the world that have no emmision restrictions and still use leaded gas. As a matter of fact the Ozone hole has actually gotten bigger since i think 2003. Also you do have to take in consideration the rapid industral growth of places like China. In a decade or so they will use almost just as much resources as the United States and have the same amount of pollution. So on a global scale how much cleaner will our planet be. You said America controls 1/3rd of the pollution. What about the other 2/3rds? Yes we can lead by example. Yet how is that possible when most of Europe, after we invaded iraq, disagrees with our government and our policies. Let alone some people in our own governement think global warming is a myth. So im saying is it really worth it to have strict emmision laws? Not even the whole country abides by them and on a world scale will it even have an impact. Yes it will slow down global warming hopefully. But isnt global warming inevitable, since more countries are indrustrializing. Therefore polluting.We're only stalling the inevitable so you might as well stretch your legs alittle. Most people will probably not see global warming or pollution take dramatic effect on the climate in there lifetime anyway. so why do you bitch about it? Things tend to change. One year the air will be clean. One year it wont. Half the time you dont notice. so why does it matter?



People like you are the reason why this place isn't getting any better.

It's funny how everybody can read between the lines and make since of what they want. But still fail to notice that EMISSION MODS ARE ILLEGAL. No matter what you say or nor matter how much you whine on zilvia, you arn't going to make what you want legal.

Do I think visuals are fair? No, but I'm going to be a man and deal with that fact.

You people knew what you were getting your selves into the second you started modding your car.

Then to make matters worse you come on here whining about the laws and complain that there is no way out of it. The law isn't dumb.

Just incase you forgot, 1/3 is quite a bit. That's ALOT of pollution that we could be cutting out.

The poeple who don't believe in global warming are idiots. There are facts/proof it is in existance. How do we know that, summers and winters are beginneing/ending sooner. I'm not going to rant and rave on about global warming.

But know you've seen smog. Now just think to your self, do you really think that is healty to be breathing in? I sure as hell don't. But I have people like you to thank for my sooner death.

[drift freaq]

That was not my reasoning, i meant was that even if you have a lot of emmision laws. On a Global Scale. It wouldn't matter as much becuase you do have those third world nations, who don't regulate it. Therefore on a world stage, will having one state with strict emmission laws affect global warming. Mostly not because there are other places in the world that have no emmision restrictions and still use leaded gas. As a matter of fact the Ozone hole has actually gotten bigger since i think 2003. Also you do have to take in consideration the rapid industral growth of places like China. In a decade or so they will use almost just as much resources as the United States and have the same amount of pollution. So on a global scale how much cleaner will our planet be. You said America controls 1/3rd of the pollution. What about the other 2/3rds? Yes we can lead by example. Yet how is that possible when most of Europe, after we invaded iraq, disagrees with our government and our policies. Let alone some people in our own governement think global warming is a myth. So im saying is it really worth it to have strict emmision laws? Not even the whole country abides by them and on a world scale will it even have an impact. Yes it will slow down global warming hopefully. But isnt global warming inevitable, since more countries are indrustrializing. Therefore polluting.We're only stalling the inevitable so you might as well stretch your legs alittle. Most people will probably not see global warming or pollution take dramatic effect on the climate in there lifetime anyway. so why do you bitch about it? Things tend to change. One year the air will be clean. One year it wont. Half the time you dont notice. so why does it matter?

So you just tried to rationalize your way out of taking responsibility for your own actions.
See the problem lies in your own thinking. People like you don't want to take responsibility in doing your part, instead you want to sight reasons for being a wimp and not standing up.
Major problem with a lot of people today! No one wants to take responsibility for their own actions they want to blame everything on everyone else, as reasoning for not doing the right thing. You fail on a ethical and moral scale, with your arguements.
Being cynical does not give one a right to do the wrong thing. Two wrongs do not make a right.
If we are going to change things, we have to change person by person till it builds up. You seem quite happy in just giving up, your a loser for that.
Take responsibility for yourself and start caring for someone else, than just your own selfish ass.

[locodrftr]

lol i have one point on my record now and he did remember me but cut me some slack since i told him its my only car to goto school and back and i was in the process of seeking legal advice why its illegal to have aftermarket parts(b.s i know but i didnt get my car towed) so he didn't tow it but if i get caught again its automatic three points, impounded car and suspended license.
so yeah im screwed

[redsuns3838]

hmm is it me or can zilvia can be summed up into about about 5 stickies

a) hood popped discussion
b) wheel fitament question
c) SR bogging
d) sr not starting
e) i crashed my car what should i do now (aka the flame fest)

imagine the bandwidth that would be saved!

OT
i was wondering, for those that exclusively track their car, im looking to get a daily driver and just track my S14 but i cant find anything on the DMV website about off-road vehicle regulations. do you register it as non-op? I thought maybe you could, but that says that you are not even allowed to tow the vehicle on public roads...so i thought maybe there is some other title you can register it as?

[articdragon192]

Seriously, this thread was about what the OP can do about his situation. Notice he wasnt whining, bitching, etc. he knows the consequences and is trying to find ways to deal with it. No need to make this a whole emissions thread becuase that wasn't what it was intended for. It was made to seek advice on how to go about with the ref ticket and possible serve as hlp for others in the future. GL with the fight friend.

[!Zar!]

It's been answered, others just wanted to avoid the truth.

Answer, swap back to a ka or pay the fine and get a point on his/her license.

People who register their track car can choose to either non op, or recreational vehicle. Neither will allow you to run them on the streets.

[CNDC]

ok so how am i not taking responsibility for my own action when my car is stock and i have everything to pass emmisions. I don't plan on violating that law. Im just saying you have to keep in mind. The whole picture. For example, how could you say my arguments arent moral. What is morality. I bet you if i lived in a diffrent society like Iraq. It would be moral to bomb America. Now you see there are 2 sides to every argument. Im just sayin theres a whole picture

[CNDC]

and fuck i live in california, im liberal as hell, and i beleive theres global warming because where i live its suppose to be underwater in 10 years.
Im not arguing the law. Im just saying theres a bigger picture and you have to take that into consideration.

sorry for the double post. i clicked edit but typed in the wrong box

[redsuns3838]

thanks !zar!

after a while it made sense to me, by tow on roads they meant the tires cant touch, but if you put it on one of those trailers, i guess that would be fine and dandy.

[s13poop]

Seriously, this thread was about what the OP can do about his situation. Notice he wasnt whining, bitching, etc. he knows the consequences and is trying to find ways to deal with it. No need to make this a whole emissions thread becuase that wasn't what it was intended for. It was made to seek advice on how to go about with the ref ticket and possible serve as hlp for others in the future. GL with the fight friend.

THANK YOU!!!!

couldn't have said it better myself

fight the hell outta this ticket phil! you got a good chance with the cop screwing up and all

just pay the $10 Premie fee and all you're ref problems will go away :keke:

and we shall all celebrate at the boat!!!!

best of luck to you my friend :D

[coreansurfer]

^^ thanks ernie, when i win this bitch, im gonna take late night irvine crew and OG life plaza crew out for some celebrating

[articdragon192]

You know we got your back man.