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partymonster 975
10-15-2006, 08:38 PM
I going to swap in an RB25 and I want to know if the upgrades I plan to add are any good or the right choice. Tell me what you think and if there is anything I should add. This is just engine wise. This will be put into an S13.
What do you think, will it all work or am I missing something?

RB25DET (motor set or clips)
R33 crossmember (if I go with motor set)
FMIC (Greddy or HKS)
Custom intake piping
Apexi intake
syko motor sports motor
Nismo tranny mounts
Custom driveshaft
HKS BOV (recur.)
Syko 3” Downpipe/ O2 housing
Magnaflow high flow CAT
Apexi N1 exhaust
Flex-A-Lite Fans
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Nismo FPR
Power Enterprise Timing Belt
Steel braided turbo lines
Greddy intake manifold
Q45 TB or adapter plate
Apexi Power FC
Griffin radiator
ACT street/strip clutch
SS clutch line
Short shifter
LSD

Thanks

redgold
10-15-2006, 09:09 PM
have u look at syko performance install kit...seems pretty good...check it out...

partymonster 975
10-15-2006, 09:19 PM
I've heard of people going with a q45 throttle body but I dont know if I'll need it at this stage. What you think? For now I'm sticking with the stock turbo, cams and injectors. I'm trying to pass emissions and I think this is really as far as I can go but this will be more then enough. Anyone else? Needed parts or ideas?

250sxdet
10-15-2006, 09:20 PM
Syko mounts ftw! I have them on my rb25 s14 and they are the best and cleanest ive seen by far. The fitment is awesome, and it sits as far back and as low as possible. Also, for your radiator i would recommend the griffin or fluidyne instead. The koyo's are prone to cracking due to heat soak because of the fin design and because the radiator sits so close to the motor. Also on the q45 tb, you should probably just go ahead and get it, because the manifold is designed for it. Otherwise, you would need to get an adapter plate which will run almost the same price as just getting the tb. The q45 seems to make throttle response a tiny bit worse compared to my cousins rb25 that doesnt have the greddy manifold and tb. But for some reason, it feels like the turbo spools faster...in any case, you do lose a bit of low end.

scottyb
10-16-2006, 12:37 AM
I've heard the Q45 makes tuning inaccurate and can mess up idle, etc. because it is too big for a 2.5L RB to handle, but you don't have much of a choice with the Greddy manifold. If I go that route eventually then I am going to look for an adapter plate for the stock TB or a Z32 TB, you might want to look into this.

I use McKinney mounts, Koyo, and FAL 210 fans, but I had to trim my upper and lower radiator mounts by 3/4" to make them fit in front of the motor. Now I have 1/4" clearance between the PS pulley and the FAL fans, and I had to push the A/C condenser forward a bit too. So be prepared for this, or do what most people do and go with a puller/pusher fan setup or use the stock RB or KA rad(still not much clearance).

I went ahead and spent $700 on some N1 oil and water pumps because I felt like it was a good thing to do while changing the timing belt. I would at least take off your water pump and inspect the inside to see if there is rust, crud, or nastiness coming out of your block, thus telling you if you should do a coolant flush.

eh?
10-16-2006, 01:08 AM
Scottyb:
You are confusing the Q45 maf with the TB. The TB won't mess up tuning. Supposedly the MAF does, but I have found any truth to that when I had a PFC/ Q45 maf set up.
Idle can be messed up with the Q45 TB if you don't remove the cold start mechanism or don't route coolant to it.
As for response, you need a retune after installing the Q45 TB, you can add a lot of timing down low to make response crisp.
FYI: greddy makes an adapter for the manifold and it costs slightly less than a Q45 TB.

Partymonster:
Get a motorset, it could be up to $1k cheaper when shipping is considered. I would get a top hat mounts instead of Mckinney's. Dump S-AFC and AVC-R. Get a Power FC with boost control kit.

luckyrb13
10-16-2006, 01:16 AM
syko kit definitley seems to be cleaner than the other kits and customer support is as good as it gets.I have the kit in my 13 and it came out low far back and super clean. heres some picshttp://images1.snapfish.com/3483%3B%3B86%3B%7Ffp342%3Enu%3D3262%3E398%3E%3B73% 3EWSNRCG%3D323356%3B%3B977%3A3nu0mrj
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http://images1.snapfish.com/3483%3B%3B86%3B%7Ffp342%3Enu%3D3262%3E398%3E%3B73% 3EWSNRCG%3D323356%3B%3B977%3A4nu0mrj

partymonster 975
10-16-2006, 03:05 PM
Scottyb:
Partymonster:
Get a motorset, it could be up to $1k cheaper when shipping is considered. I would get a top hat mounts instead of Mckinney's. Dump S-AFC and AVC-R. Get a Power FC with boost control kit.
What you mean by that, I'm getting a motor, tranny and ECU all that if that's what you mean.

And to lucky luckyrb13, what intercooler are you using? custom?

I think I'm going to switch to syko mounts and also there downpipe since it looks like it takes care of the o2 housing where the other one I wanted did not. Any of you guys take a shot at emissions? I think I mite add 440cc's after I test.
Anyone else with list input?

LB.Motoring
10-16-2006, 03:37 PM
lol you forgot wiring. :doh:

old pic of my bay

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Drift3rx240sx/Limit%20Break/DSC00002.jpg

MELLO*SOS
10-16-2006, 04:01 PM
I'm trying to pass emissions and...

LOL then why put an RB in there?

Your list is a good start. Definitely listen to eh? and go with the PFC instead of Apexi SAFC stuff. You might also want to read up on the NICO RB motor forum as well as the SDU and SAU boards (if you're not already)...

drift freaq
10-16-2006, 04:37 PM
ok I am will put my own infor here, your setup looks decent. I would not bother with the SAFC and just go PowerFC. I also would opt for a Blitz SBC ID II or III over the AVC -R.
Anyways

RB25DET , get a clip if your going to purchase the Syko kit because you will need the stock R33 GTST crossmember.

my list is as follows to give you an idea

SyKo Perfermance install kit with Syko Performance custom S13 FMIC intercooler piping.
(Syko mount kit includes a 1 piece driveshaft)

Greddy Intake
Q45 throttle body
Walbro 255 LPH fuel pump
Griffin Radiator
Push/pull fan setup
custom FMIC
HKSGT2535 Turbo/ with HKS intake elbow
Steel braided turbo lines
Apexi Intake
Apexi PowerFC computer
Blitz SBC ID color boost controller
550 injectors being added shortly
3.25 inch ST May stainless steel exhaust with Magnaflow 3 inch in 2.5 in dual tip out.

right now I am limiting myself to 11lbs boost max till I ge my larger injectors. I would honestly say if your going to boost much above 12lbs, you need to upgrade your turbo, as the factory one is ceramic and will come apart. Also on the Injector front if you upgrade I recommend going above 440.
If you go to the RC engineering site there is a HP to injector cc rate calculator that is very handy. I could have gone 440 but I would have not had much headroom on the duty cycle. Thats why I am opting for 550's.
Right now I am pushing somewhere in the area of 300whp. Yes I am about to upgrade my clutch. I am most likely going with a Exedy Hyper single or Exedy Stage II Ceramatallic.
When my injectors are in, I will be able to push 1.2 bar out of my turbo and putting down somewhere between 335-350 whp. I can already tell you right now my car is very fast at 11lb's I would say mid 12's.

LB.Motoring
10-16-2006, 04:40 PM
somehow I dont think the EPA is down with Rb's :keke:

http://www.dmv.org/il-illinois/smog-check.php

eh?
10-16-2006, 04:59 PM
What you mean by that, I'm getting a motor, tranny and ECU all that if that's what you mean.

And to lucky luckyrb13, what intercooler are you using? custom?

I think I'm going to switch to syko mounts and also there downpipe since it looks like it takes care of the o2 housing where the other one I wanted did not. Any of you guys take a shot at emissions? I think I mite add 440cc's after I test.
Anyone else with list input?

you have 2 options, a motorset- that has just about everything you need (motor/tranny,wiring,ecu) or a front clip- basically the front of the car.
To ship a front clip can cost $500 more depending on where you live, not to mention the extra cost just because it's a clip.

partymonster 975
10-16-2006, 06:02 PM
Yea, I'm getting a motor set, not clip. But then I can't use those syko mounts right?
Well I hear I can pass. We have no visual. I was searching and I know of people that already have. I'm going with a CAT and having a pro tune done. I also was told to put in like this alcohol stuff this guy told me about, he puts it into his car and passes every time, but..............supposedly Feb. 2 there will be no more emissions testing on pre 1996 cars but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm also sticking with stock cams, injectors and turbo for awhile so...idk

drift freaq
10-16-2006, 06:10 PM
Yea, I'm getting a motor set, not clip. But then I can't use those syko mounts right?
Well I hear I can pass. We have no visual. I was searching and I know of people that already have. I'm going with a CAT and having a pro tune done. I also was told to put in like this alcohol stuff this guy told me about, he puts it into his car and passes every time, but..............supposedly Feb. 2 there will be no more emissions testing on pre 1996 cars but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm also sticking with stock cams, injectors and turbo for awhile so...idk

Its the fact, that to use the Syko kit, which includes the mounts, it utilizes the Stock R33 GTST crossmember. You can buy the crossmember seperately, but its a little harder to get, you basically have to be on the lookout. Expect to spend $150-300 for it.
I recommend clips for a number of reasons. One, when you get a clip you get the gauge cluster in the dash telling you the actual mileage of your engine. A motorset is mileage unknown. If you get a motorset you want to have a cylinder leakdown test down. It tells you much more than a compression test will.
Plus if you get a clip, then you have the whole stock side mount intercooler setup, if you want to wait till you get your Greddy and upgrade to a FMIC.
If your already set on a motorset and have one ordered then start looking for the R33 crossmember.

partymonster 975
10-16-2006, 06:22 PM
Do you know any good sites for clips or motor sets? I was going to order a motor set from XAT racing, do you know of any other reliable companies for either, specifically clips?

scottyb
10-16-2006, 06:23 PM
get a clip if your going to purchase the Syko kit because you will need the stock R33 GTST crossmember.

partymonster: I'll sell you my R33 crossmember for $100 shipped if you go the Syko route. Let me know.

drift freaq
10-16-2006, 06:31 PM
partymonster: I'll sell you my R33 crossmember for $100 shipped if you go the Syko route. Let me know.

good deal on scottyb's part. P.S. I would not order a motorset from XAT but thats just me. Hmm you might want to talk to SR20store. There are other companies out there as well. I am sure there are some companies in Canada which is pretty damn close to you. hahhahhhaha

partymonster 975
10-16-2006, 06:55 PM
Thanks a lot for the cross member offer, If I dont buy a clip I'll hit you up.
Anyone else with list advice or input in general?

250sxdet
10-16-2006, 08:39 PM
I would also recommend recirculating the bov if you dont want your motor to die everytime it blows off at high rpm. also, you may want to consider getting an lsd to help transfer the power to the ground.

drift freaq
10-16-2006, 11:52 PM
I would also recommend recirculating the bov if you dont want your motor to die everytime it blows off at high rpm. also, you may want to consider getting an lsd to help transfer the power to the ground.
both good points.

partymonster 975
10-17-2006, 03:01 PM
O yea, I'm recirculating, forgot to mention. I plan to get an LSD, but not decided which yet. probably a 1.5 .
Anyone else?

partymonster 975
10-17-2006, 04:51 PM
I've updated the list from the info you have given me. What do you think now?

scottyb
10-17-2006, 05:20 PM
The kind of LSD you get mostly depends on what you are going to use the car for. If you want to do Auto-x and road course stuff, then get a helical like the S15 or OBX (Quaife copy), drifting is not recommended on one of these, but streeting it is perfect.

If you are doing hard core drifting you can have your open diff welded, or get a 2-way, or get by with a 1.5-way. If you are streeting the car and doing drifting, then a 1.5-way is the best compromise. There are also just 1-way LSDs but I don't think many people run them.

VLSD sucks, same w/ open.

partymonster 975
10-18-2006, 02:51 PM
I got 2 more questions.

1. Do you know if I'll need anything else except for the r33 cross member to use the syko mounts?

2. What kinda spark plugs should I use? I hear it will work with ones from an N/A 300zx but do you know brand/type that will work well with my setup? Someone told me something from Denso once.

FastAssS13
10-18-2006, 03:11 PM
You can just buy mine for really cheap!!!

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=121578

R33GTS-T
10-18-2006, 03:19 PM
<---atmospheric bov and never a single problem :rawk:

also, do yourself a favor and spend the extra $50 bucks or whatever for the Greddy throttle body adapter and just use the stock RB throttle body. Your throttle response is going to suffer with that MASSIVE 90mm throttle body if you're not pushing very high numbers

- Daniel

250sxdet
10-18-2006, 04:24 PM
actually, i have the 90mm tb and it still seems pretty responsive. as for the spark plugs, use some 300zx twin turbos. i think they are heat range 7. did you decide what kind of lsd you want? i have the carbonetics carbon lsd
(formerly ats) and i absolutely love it. locks very strong and doesnt make any sound what so ever.

partymonster 975
10-18-2006, 05:54 PM
I think I'm going to go with a 1.5 since I want to do mostly drag racing and maybe go to like 1 or 2 drift events for fun and I hear this is the best of both worlds..... 1.5 that is.
Anyone else on spark plugs, u got a specific type that would suit my setup?

partymonster 975
10-19-2006, 05:22 PM
Thanks for all the help?
Anyone else wit help?
Like with what spark plugs to use and do I need to get anything else to use the syko mounts except for the crossmember?

hybrid_eg
10-19-2006, 06:08 PM
Go with Syko Performance and you will be one happy RB camper :-) Take my advice and do not even bother checking anywhere else, its the "only" right way to go :-) Many thumbs up!

250sxdet
10-19-2006, 06:38 PM
Like i told you before, use 300zx twin turbo ones. They are heat range 7.

partymonster 975
10-19-2006, 06:49 PM
sweet, I'm going to go that route for sure then. I've heard awesome things, will I need anything else then just the r33 cross member to make this whole swap work with those mounts if I buy a motor set?

hybrid_eg
10-19-2006, 06:50 PM
who ever you're getting a complete motorset from see if they will throw in a crossmember for you as well.. thats the only thing you will need! since you're buying a motor already they should toss that in for free..

partymonster 975
10-19-2006, 08:01 PM
I'm not sure where I'm ordering from yet.....I heard venus-auto is good but have sold some blown motors or I'll get it from jarcoinc.com
Anyone got any recommendations?

R33GTS-T
10-23-2006, 12:40 AM
here's the plugs to get Spark Plugs.com (http://www.ngk.com/results_cross.asp?pid=BKR6EIX-11&x=0&y=0) they are the right temperature range and the correct plug. If you run the 5 heat range (95 Q45 plugs) you'll end up with preignition and if you run with the 7 heat range its too cold

- Daniel

partymonster 975
10-23-2006, 06:56 PM
Thanks dude!
anyone else on the list?