Got rear ended, Widebody fender help

[surukis14]

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[SimpleS14]

Damn that sucks...any current pics?


I know this is a stretch...but have you considered getting a new panel and having it cut and welded into place?


No offense or anything, but I don't think you have the other necessities to making the wide fenders look nice to the overall car (i.e. rims).

[ThatGuy]

^What he said.

However, if you have the funds to support your decision: BN Sports Blister

Mounting: Depends on how you want it to look. Talk to the body shop and find out the difference between painting riveted on fenders and molding fenders.

[surukis14]

Damn that sucks...any current pics?


I know this is a stretch...but have you considered getting a new panel and having it cut and welded into place?


No offense or anything, but I don't think you have the other necessities to making the wide fenders look nice to the overall car (i.e. rims).


i should have explained my plans ahead of time, i'm getting it painted a porsche white (forgot the name) but going with a s15 front with version select bumper and the sideskirts and rear bumper to go with it. i'll be rockin' 18x11 +18 in the rear.. some Works or volks. am i missing anything else? i think its all there. its all gonna be done diy. just wanted to hear from guys that have actually done it before. thanks for your replies

[blackflag_Rms13]

How long are you gonna take to make your hypothetical car. If you're broke and it's gonna take you a lot of saving up, then I wouldn't do it (would look like shit until finished). If you have everything, or the cash for everything, I don't see any problem with it...

[LookOut Nick]

there was a thread a few weeks ago about over fenders...plenty of info there as for your situation..i have been through it..it takes time a lot of effort and alot of money..if ure willing to dish it all out go for it, imo results are worth it
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/nicks13edge/before.jpg
This was 3 months ago...
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/nicks13edge/P1010158-2.jpg
this is current...widefenders were a last resort..consider cutting a 1/4 panel their 50 bucks at the boneyard near my place...but goodluck finding an s14...

[surukis14]

How long are you gonna take to make your hypothetical car. If you're broke and it's gonna take you a lot of saving up, then I wouldn't do it (would look like shit until finished). If you have everything, or the cash for everything, I don't see any problem with it...

i don't think you realized it but your post did not help me what so ever. i have more then enough for this repair since the guy that hit me is compensating me for my car. if you read what this thread was about then you wouldn't be telling me about how you wouldnt do it if you were broke or w/e. i dont' see a problem with it either thanks

[koukimonster139]

there was a thread a few weeks ago about over fenders...plenty of info there as for your situation..i have been through it..it takes time a lot of effort and alot of money..if ure willing to dish it all out go for it, imo results are worth it
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/nicks13edge/before.jpg
This was 3 months ago...
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/nicks13edge/P1010158-2.jpg
this is current...widefenders were a last resort..consider cutting a 1/4 panel their 50 bucks at the boneyard near my place...but goodluck finding an s14...

^^you dont necessarily need a quarter off of an s14. a good metal fabricator can take a flat piece of steel and work it into the exact shape you need. but that is true I doubt you'll find an s14 in a junkyard any time soon.

[chmercer]

if you really wanted a ghetto fix you could just get an overfender and squash it down flat over the sheet metal

[ondatdryftonyte]

if you really wanted a ghetto fix you could just get an overfender and squash it down flat over the sheet metal

WHERE DID HE SAY HE WANTED A GHETTO FIX???

[koukimonster139]

i should have explained my plans ahead of time, i'm getting it painted a porsche white (forgot the name) but going with a s15 front with version select bumper and the sideskirts and rear bumper to go with it. i'll be rockin' 18x11 +18 in the rear.. some Works or volks. am i missing anything else? i think its all there. its all gonna be done diy. just wanted to hear from guys that have actually done it before. thanks for your replies


if your getting it painted why would you not get that shit sectioned?


BTW he implied a ghetto fix when he talks of putting overfenders over the damage

[chmercer]

WHERE DID HE SAY HE WANTED A GHETTO FIX???

do i really need to explain ways on how to hold a piece of fiberglass to some metal?

you can use screws

or rivets

or bondo

or crazy glue

chewing gum maybe? c clamps perhaps? or a system of magnets?

[koukimonster139]

c clamps! i want to see a overfenders held on a 240 with c clamps now! badass.

[surukis14]

if your getting it painted why would you not get that shit sectioned?


BTW he implied a ghetto fix when he talks of putting overfenders over the damage

i'm going with a new white since there are a bunch of other places where the paint is chipped or damaged. do you guys just go over the old fender or is it cut out? how is it done? any picutures thanks for all the help

[koukimonster139]

no i mean section the quarter panel like cut and weld a new piece in.

you gotta cut so that you can actualy fit wider/ bigger wheel in there without hitting the stock quarter panel rendering overfenders useless.

then you gotta weld the seam where u cut the excess stock quarter panel.

fuck this shite has hard to explain when your semi drunk.

[koukimonster139]

i mean your notdrunk that means when i said your i meant me? yeah im goin to bed.

Im ..ron burgundy?

[LookOut Nick]

read this (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=118741&highlight=fender)
read up on this thread...it was seriously last week. lots of info dropped :)..iirc

[WilloW]

no i mean section the quarter panel like cut and weld a new piece in.

you gotta cut so that you can actualy fit wider/ bigger wheel in there without hitting the stock quarter panel rendering overfenders useless.

then you gotta weld the seam where u cut the excess stock quarter panel.

fuck this shite has hard to explain when your semi drunk.
I understand what you're saying, you're actually doing pretty good for being drunk. Shit, that mean you're not drunk yet.

[surukis14]

thanks for the link nick. did you use ribets and mold it?

[fliprayzin240sx]

My roomie just did his S14...used rivets then smooth it over with bondo. Catch is, dont know how long itll last till the bondo starts cracking. Metal and fiberglass stretches differently so it stresses the bondo causing it to crack in the long run.

[chmercer]

rivets. RIVETS. with a V

[fromxtor]

This is the answer to all your widefender needs, allthough it's not an S14 you get the idea. ;) http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56269

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First you want to clean the car and take a good look at it because it is the last time it will look like this ever again.

You will need to unscrew the black cap on the antenna. There is probably a special tool to fit in the two holes but a small screw driver and some light tapping will get it loose enough to unscrew with your fingers.

After the antenna cap comes off you need to remove the signal light/reflector. You access it from inside the truck. Keep these parts somewhere that you won't lose them, you might want them.

Now is the fun stuff! In this step the objective is to seperate the body panel from the inner fender panel. Don't try to cut much, you only want to seperate the two so that you can bump the inner fender up and out of the way. Also, depending on the brand of overfender, they don't all go to the bottom of the car. So you're going to have part of the steel body panel showing. You don't want to cut too low or else your cuts will be exposed, and that would not look very good.

You might want to make some stress cuts in the fenders to aid in bending the inner fender up. Take a hammer and beat the inner fender up to make room for the tire. The higher you can move the fender the better. This is a long process the fender does not want to be reshaped by a hammer. Something else that I learned is that the biggest hammer doesn't get the job done any faster, but it will make you tired the fastest. It took me about 1.5 hours of beating with a short handle sledge and ball-peen hammer until I was satisfied with one fender.

You might also consider wearing some eye protection while beating on the inner fender. You will end up beating up the outter fender, but don't worry about it. The over fender is a permanent thing and will cover your hammer marks.

Before we get to riveting, I should say something about using some type of epoxy or auto body sealant. I picked up a tube of this stuff from napa that was autobody sealant and used it. The bad thing is that I didn't get much of it in the right spots. You have to get it pretty far up between the fenders and I ended up cutting much of mine off later on. So I haven't mastered this part yet. I'm going to end up trying to get this sealant stuff on the car from the inside of the car.

Once you get this sealant stuff where you think it is going to be needed(between the panels where the rivets are) it is time to clamp the two pieces together and maybe a few last whacks from a hammer underneath the car to make sure the fender is exactly the way you want it. Start drilling holes for the rivets. I did them one at a time in hopes that the fender would move around less. Use as many rivets as you want to. After I riveted the inner fender to the outter fender I used my jigsaw to trim as close to the rivets as possible.

I roughed up the areas around the rivets and other possible rust suspects and them sprayed them with a 3M underbody coating that I picked up at NAPA, I think its the same stuff I sprayed on the interior of my car.

Tape on the fender EXACTLY where you want it. It might help to have a 2nd person there for a 2nd opinion or to help you tape it while you hold it on the car.Drill the holes. BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO CRACK THE FIBERGLASS. I found that fiberglass liked to be drilled at high speed with low pressure. Too much pressure and it will grab the fiberglass when it drills through. Drill holes through both the body and the fiberglass.

Once you finish drilling all of the holes that you want to, I went over each hole with some sand paper to remove any burrs created from drilling the holes. You might want to hit each hole with some primer to keep rust down. I wouldn't use the underbody coating to prevent rust here because it will most likely be visible after the fender is on.

Once the primer has dried I picked up some acrylic silicone stuff from lowes. It is supposed to stick to fiberglass and metal. The object is not to glue the fender on but to provide it with a cushion so that it won't rub a hole through the paint and become a potential rust spot. I was generous and used one whole tube on each side. I put it everywhere that I thought the fiberglass would touch the sheet metal. I went all around the perimeter also to help seal it up.

Get your friend to hold up the fender while you align it and insert the rivets. I found it best to put all of the rivets in before I finished them off with the hand riveter. The rivets were hard to get through the holes so I found that a small nutdriver slipped right over the end of the rivet. This and some tapping with a hammer will get the rivets through the hole unless you messed up and the fender moved while you were drilling the holes.

Make sure you are happy with the fitment. The rivets are alot easier to remove now before you snap them in.

[ThatGuy]

How about you post a link where we don't have to registered for another forum. :bow:

I'd hate to subject anyone to 240sxfor-dumbs just to get fender info. :keke:

[supportTHEezln]

rivets. RIVETS. with a V


Seriously, that "ribet" thing was driving me nuts. My old co-worker used to say "ribets" just to get us to say "damnit, it's rivets!"

[gotta240]

I'm surprised no-one mentioned this yet.

If that crease is caused by REAR ENDING, your car has some serious damage done to it. I would be inspecting the subframe, and DEFINATELY pull out your spare tire and all the trunk lining to see WHAT and HOW MUCH is smashed. A car like that will most likely not drive perfectly again.

I'm not saying to abandon you're project, but i am saying to TAKE IT TO A FRAME/ALLIGNMENT SHOP. From there you can consider aborting the project, parting it out for a grand or two, and take that couple grand, plus the money you're getting off your car, and buy another.

I just hate to see people put many thousands of dollars into something that will never be perfect. The above s13 was PERFECT cannidate for W.B because it looks like it was just side impact that basically ended in massive dents. You're car seems to have been hit SO HARD, that creases occured in places contact wasn't even made.

[surukis14]

I'm surprised no-one mentioned this yet.

If that crease is caused by REAR ENDING, your car has some serious damage done to it. I would be inspecting the subframe, and DEFINATELY pull out your spare tire and all the trunk lining to see WHAT and HOW MUCH is smashed. A car like that will most likely not drive perfectly again.

I'm not saying to abandon you're project, but i am saying to TAKE IT TO A FRAME/ALLIGNMENT SHOP. From there you can consider aborting the project, parting it out for a grand or two, and take that couple grand, plus the money you're getting off your car, and buy another.

I just hate to see people put many thousands of dollars into something that will never be perfect. The above s13 was PERFECT cannidate for W.B because it looks like it was just side impact that basically ended in massive dents. You're car seems to have been hit SO HARD, that creases occured in places contact wasn't even made.


i already did all of that. my frame if fine, it got buckled in because he hit mostly the left side of my car. frame is straight, i drove it around like that for a month. thanks for advice or whatever but i just wanted some info on installing.

btw would 18x11 +18 in the rear be flush?

RIVETS*** sry.:bigok:

[JaeTea]

I think a body shop would be able to bang that dent out and have it look halfway decent.

It doesn't look that bad.

[O3DigitalBath]

http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

figure it our yourself...(if they would be flush)