anyone drift w/17x8's all around on stock KA?

[dorifto-san4o8]

just recently put on some 17x8 rims all around on my s14 cous it was cheaper then buying new tires for my stock SE rims. my car has a hard time kicking out and keeping a drift now. tried driving faster and initiating harder but then feels like my car wants to go back to straight or if im pushing with a slight understeer while drifting. jes need some advice if i should change some suspension tuning to compensate the extra width/grip/weight of my rims or jes go back to my stock SE rims tell i get more power. car has stock ka24de motor but fully adjustable suspension components. thnks

[ALTRNTV]

Sometimes it depends on the tire width also. I see plenty of people drifting with stock KA's with even more wider rims than the ones you have, like 17x9 and 17x10.

[dorifto-san4o8]

tire width is 245/50/17 all around on fm901

[Flybert]

AHAHAHAHHA 245/50/17 AAHAHAHAHA Dude, it has nothing to do with the width of the wheels, it has everything to do with those tires. The most a stock KA can handle is 225/45/17 and that's on a narrower brand like falken. Your best bet is to get some 215/45 for those wheels and see if any of your monster truck friends wanna put those 50 series sidewalls on their trucks.

EDIT: One more thing to put things in perspective for you. I have about 300whp and I run 235/40/17 with very little camber to keep the tires flat and get more grip out of them. Here is a video to show you I know what I'm talking about. I'm in the burgundy coupe that won the event. Dousan was driving brian's stock KA silver s14 with some 215/45/17 ss595's or perhaps they were 225/45/17 ST115's. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=126087926959489584

[Paul Frank]

geeez, that video was siickkk. I was kind of rooting for the FC, but it was a fair match, imo. Nice job, Flybert.

[FinalDrive]

great video and congrats on the win

[Dousan_PG]

yeah yeah yeah
tire size and type is key!!
225/45 is fine

there was one dood from japan w/ a s14 w/ te37s back in the day..
17x9.5 +12 and 18x10.5 +15 on a STOCK KA
tires were slim jims though, like a 205/40 and a 235/40 maye..might have been smaller on the rear
drive like a maniac and dont f up type tire sizes hahah
aewsome

anyways yeah get different tires!
brian's car was fun.

my old ka i ran 15s and eventually 17x9 with a 215/40 and 215/45 sized tires.
workd great. no complaints!

[koukimonster139]

yeah falkens are tuned for drifting dude get some falkens now

[overb0ost]

AHAHAHAHHA 245/50/17 AAHAHAHAHA Dude, it has nothing to do with the width of the wheels, it has everything to do with those tires. The most a stock KA can handle is 225/45/17 and that's on a narrower brand like falken. Your best bet is to get some 215/45 for those wheels and see if any of your monster truck friends wanna put those 50 series sidewalls on their trucks.

EDIT: One more thing to put things in perspective for you. I have about 300whp and I run 235/40/17 with very little camber to keep the tires flat and get more grip out of them.

i'm not sure where i read this but i know it was on zilvia. it was something on the lines of always having the same ammount of tire section on the ground, but the wider the tire, the less grip it makes. so if he runs 245, shouldnt it be easier to slide since "the wider the tire, the less grip it makes" theory comes into affect? but then when i think about this, it doesn't make sense becuase why would all the drag cars use huge radial tires when they are running HUGE HP? a concept i still don't understand 100%. if someone would be kind to explain fully, i would love to learn and listen.


and for you running less camber, do u find that the car oversteers more once a drift is initiated? my friends s14 with 0 camber oversteers and loves to spin out. just wondering if you have reached that similar conclusion.

thanks!

[chmercer]

lol at wider tires have less grip

[Bushido]

wider the tire the less grip it makes? a wider tire means a wider contact patch and thus more grip.

[JaeTea]

tire width is 245/50/17 all around on fm901

That is a big fucking tire!! :eek2:

[Yuri]

there was one dood from japan w/ a s14 w/ te37s back in the day..
17x9.5 +12 and 18x10.5 +15 on a STOCK KA

USDM car I presume?

[crazyikimasho]

...and isnt that BHs car you speak of before he bought it?

[axiomatik]

wider the tire the less grip it makes? a wider tire means a wider contact patch and thus more grip.

A wider tire has a wider contact patch, but the contact patch is no larger. The size of the contact patch is determined by the weight of the car and the air pressure in the tires. The width of the tire really has little to do with how much grip a tire provides (plus, 'grip' really isn't quantifiable, because it changes constantly depending on the circumstances). More likely the problem is that the larger tires are too compliant for drifting. Stretching makes the tires stiffer, which in turn makes them more consistent in a drift because the tire doesn't deform as much in the process. With tires that size, being so tall and too wide for that wheel, when you initiate the drift, you are probably rolling over on the sidewall of the tire, then the elasticity of the tire tries to pull it back into shape, giving you unpredictable handling.

Plus, you probably went from worn, old tires that are partially oxidized, thus less grippy, and with very short tread blocks, which makes the tire stiffer and more predictable in drifting, to new, softer, grippier tires with much taller tread blocks that flex more.

[irax]

wrong, i rock 245/45/17's and 255/40/17's at drift circuit and it did just fine, i was able to hold longer drifts and more angle, i just had to initiate at a high speed and give more throttle but it spun them just fine.

http://myspace-533.vo.llnwd.net/01062/33/51/1062641533_l.jpg
http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/20050901_driftcircuit/209_050901_driftcircuit.jpg
http://www.everythingdrift.com/images/gallery/20050901_driftcircuit/208_050901_driftcircuit.jpg
http://www.driftcircuit.org/gallery2/picsr/Picture-187.jpg


yeah any excuse to bring back my old pictures :-p

[Dousan_PG]

drift circuit pakring lot sucked
haha
it like a terrible course and surface
most tracks lets say like, real tracks, buttonwillow, WSIR u wouldnt be able to run such tires

i killed 2 tires after like 20 mins out there at DC.
that course was brutal on tires, like on ice.

[brainfood]

AHAHAHAHHA 245/50/17 AAHAHAHAHA Dude, it has nothing to do with the width of the wheels, it has everything to do with those tires. The most a stock KA can handle is 225/45/17 and that's on a narrower brand like falken. Your best bet is to get some 215/45 for those wheels and see if any of your monster truck friends wanna put those 50 series sidewalls on their trucks.

EDIT: One more thing to put things in perspective for you. I have about 300whp and I run 235/40/17 with very little camber to keep the tires flat and get more grip out of them. Here is a video to show you I know what I'm talking about. I'm in the burgundy coupe that won the event. Dousan was driving brian's stock KA silver s14 with some 215/45/17 ss595's or perhaps they were 225/45/17 ST115's. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=126087926959489584


Tisk tisk you should know better than that. I run 225/45-17 on stock ka but have run 235's and my friend took my car to willow last thurs and ran 245/40-17 hankook rs2's. Stock ka can spin 245's but run the air pressure high or run more camber. I run -1.4 in the rear and still spin 225's easily. Its all about speed!! I have other friends that feel the same as I do anything smaller than 225 is too small unless its a grippy 215.

[skylinekin]

ive got 235/45 kumho 712's and with my sohc I have WAY to much grip in the dry, but when the ground is wet its perfect, next set of tires im going 215/45.

[Brian]

Yeah my car.
I want to try and drive some 18s.
I bet it would be fun.
dousannnnnnnnnnn.
225 is easy. well, unless they are pretty grippy like federals.

[Dousan_PG]

can u fi tmy 18x10.5s in the rear of your car brian? if so your more then welcome to give it a shot. haha

[Brian]

I probably could... lets put some 215 40 18 on there. haha

[Flybert]

I agree that you can slide wide tires at high speeds but you have to admit that when it comes to slower sections of a course or times where you have to hold a really shallow angle to link a drift, that shit is practically impossible to keep them spinning. Also, running ridiculous high pressures and high camber makes your tires wear quickly. There's just no point when you can be running something narrower that will work better.

Brainfood, have you ever long slided into the back turn at Balcony, shaved off all your speed, and managed to blip the revs up and held a shallow line to link it into the keyhole with wide tires?

[overb0ost]

well, unless they are pretty grippy like federals.
i'm guessing ur talkin about the 595s?

i just got a set and gonna try them out soon. i heard they burn nicely and last pretty long too.
cant waaaaait!

[McRussellPants]

Brainfood, have you ever long slided into the back turn at Balcony, shaved off all your speed, and managed to blip the revs up and held a shallow line to link it into the keyhole with wide tires?


Im doing that right now, while doing one arm bandit post from my phone. shits easy.









lol at 245/50... 80mph in first gear.

[dorifto-san4o8]

tire width is 245/50/17 all around on fm901

oh shit im sorry guys its 225/50/17. i was kinda tired last night

car setting
silkroad coilovers
front: setting 4
rear: setting 2

camber
front:-2.5
rear:-1.5

caster: 7.5

toe
front:.025
rear: 0

tire pressure
front: 30psi
rear: 35psi

[overb0ost]

shouldn't you have higher psi in the front then the back if drifting?

tires spinning and burning rubber get hotter the the ones in the front.

so you have to take into account of maybe 10-15psi difference for the rears (depending what type of tire you have)

so if the max psi is 42...then you should be around 23psi for the back IF on the track. for the fronts, i would guess around 28psi for the fronts. this is only for track setup tho, not daily driving.

if im wrong someone please correct me! thanks

[OptionZero]

you got it backwards

in general, if all other variables are equal, then lower pressure means softer tire which means more grip (Assuming tires are decent and dont have uberbroken sidewalls).

If you have higher pressure in rear than front than, (Again, all other variables equal), you'll have more grip in rear than front. Given that in drifting people like the rear to lose traction first, you want LESS pressure in front so they continue gripping after the rears have started to slide

[SwiftS14]

im was running G35 17x7.5 front and 17x8 rear with stock goodyear 225/50/17 36psi and 235/50/17 40psi rear and i break them like nothing. heres a little dumb movie of me trying to kill them, first i did a burn out but not shown, i know its not the best located but oh well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV0IP1KfSe0
oh yeah, its because i got a flybert welded diff, hahah.

[Dousan_PG]

wtf am i typing
im retarded
nm

[kensreliableb18b]

im was running G35 17x7.5 front and 17x8 rear with stock goodyear 225/50/17 and 235/50/17 rear and i break them like nothing. heres a little dumb movie of me trying to kill them, first i did a burn out but not shown, i know its not the best located but oh well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV0IP1KfSe0
oh yeah, its because i got a flybert welded diff, hahah.

haha, that clip looks like grand theft auto

[brainfood]

I agree that you can slide wide tires at high speeds but you have to admit that when it comes to slower sections of a course or times where you have to hold a really shallow angle to link a drift, that shit is practically impossible to keep them spinning. Also, running ridiculous high pressures and high camber makes your tires wear quickly. There's just no point when you can be running something narrower that will work better.

Brainfood, have you ever long slided into the back turn at Balcony, shaved off all your speed, and managed to blip the revs up and held a shallow line to link it into the keyhole with wide tires?


yes. but I am a ka pimp :)

[irax]

drift circuit pakring lot sucked
haha
it like a terrible course and surface
most tracks lets say like, real tracks, buttonwillow, WSIR u wouldnt be able to run such tires

i killed 2 tires after like 20 mins out there at DC.
that course was brutal on tires, like on ice.


i ran same tire setup at irwindale and balcony at willow,

[YeXG]

i had 17x9F +15 17x10R +12 with 225/45F 245/45R on my old s14 and it drift just find.. my camber or 4.4F and 4.25R..

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k61/dexteroua/Picture035ncda.jpg
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