S13 Quality Lighting??

[94plum]

Tryin to find some different pics of the pop-up light alternative...like the supermades...also any suggestions on what lights to go with the conversion:eek3d:

[oneighty]

https://www.jmetenterprises.com/ProductImages/240sx_89/240sx_89_raceon_carbon_fiber_headlights_smad_01.jp g
made by raceonusa and there are similar ones on ebay
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000F104Z0.01-A3TYWMHL1EBP1B._SCMZZZZZZZ_V55665510_.jpg
piaa p3000, search for an s13 from ma-motorsports.

[chmercer]

just get regular rectangle headlights out of a 300zx or somthing, that way at least you could see. probably end up in a tree if you try to go anywhere at night with thoes goofy ass fogs

[LB.Motoring]

yah see if you could fit some z31 lights in there, being able to see is good...

http://www.adelaidejap.com.au/images/Front%20Cuts/Z31%20RB25DET.jpg

[FaLKoN240]

Z31s pop up too I believe.

[94plum]

Thanks for the advice

[94plum]

I was wondering if anyone knows if the (90-97) 300zx headlights i think thats the correct years, will fit in the place for the s13 headlights (pop-up lights)?

[ThatGuy]

Not a direct fit, takes custom work. It's been done before.

[punxva]

yea custom work, and searching, it was covered about a year ago...

[Bushido]

anyone have pics offhand? i'd like to see

edit

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/soshit/PICT0006-vi.jpg
they dont work as well as i expected, maybe would look better with aero

[s13silvia03]

Looks like ass.

[Nachtmensch]

they look much too big

[integr97]

reminds me of a freakin Saturn my friend used to own.....HahAH Saturns get Owned!

[bardabe]

reminds me of a freakin Saturn my friend used to own.....HahAH Saturns get Owned!
LOL agreed. looks like ass. but uh I think a frend of mine has a Pair of HEadlights.

[projectRDM]

Wow, time warp from hell. It is really 1992 all over again?

[trsilvias13]

OP should have just search. This has been covered.

It is too wide. If the headlight was about few inches skinner, around the size of the oem flip light, then it would be better.

[A Spec Products]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/soshit/PICT0006-vi.jpg


OH MY GOD.

Becky, look at her butt.

It's so...big. It's like one of those, rap guys' girlfriends.

I can't believe it's just so round.

It's like, out there, I mean - gross.

[94plum]

Ok i started a thread about the 300zx lights for an alternative for the (pop-up) lights for the s13 and come to find out they look like booty jucie.:duh: ..so now i woulkd like to know if anyone knows or would have any other suggestions for good lighting with the raceonusa alternative??

http://www.raceonusa.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1325

[A Spec Products]

couldn't you have just posted this in the same thread?

anyway, those are just super made knockoffs (no surprise from race on there)

they would light up for street driving like crap

but look cool for track

hard to execute tho, u need full aero badass wheels and you need to track it

id focus on other things besides lighting first

[94plum]

hmmmm....alittle confused about what ^ is talking about...just trying to find out what would be good lighting

[ixfxi]

http://clearcorners.com/products/cibie/tmb_200HCR_02.jpg
Step 1: Go with the best quality optics. Cibie 200mm E-code H4.

http://clearcorners.com/products/bulbs/tmb_h4comp.jpg
Step 2: Go with the best quality bulb. Either ultra-premium or competition, depending on application and whether the car will be equipped with a heavy gauge wiring harness.

http://clearcorners.com/products/cibie/

[ixfxi]

Funny thing is, I hope those headlamps can be aligned. Its not just about mounting them.

Standard Z32 lamps are not that great anyway, they are on-par with all the other early halogen projector headlamps: S13 Silvia, S14 Kouki, R32 GT-R... not ideal upgrades, more like downgrades. Unless of course, someone springs for the J-spec 99 xenon fairlady Z headlamps. Then they have to worry about proper lighting pattern (RHD).

[blackcoupe]

sweet pontiac sunfire.

[punxva]

i concur, just either get the silvia conversion, or go ahead and get the h4 housings...

[Yuri]

I think I like it. Like in a I want to hug it and feed it ice cream sort of way.

[Jadeskyline]

I'm partial to the dual projectors like the one's that are sold by clear corners.com expensive though.

[Yuri]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/soshit/PICT0006-vi.jpg

reminds me of

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/Yurikaze/pussaww.jpg

[arian23]

It looks like an american bucket!!! Kinda like a saturn!! Ill give you 10 points for the thought of being creative but it straight looks NASTY!

[CKAMC]

hahaha Yuki that reminds me of HaLo's old avatar.

get supermade's and just put a cover over the opening if you want the sealed look.

[bardabe]

...Unless of course, someone springs for the J-spec 99 xenon fairlady Z headlamps. Then they have to worry about proper lighting pattern (RHD).
Yeah and the headlights alone run at just about $1,600 then there is the body work, wiring, and all other lil nicknacks. IMO not worth it. and it looks nasty anywyas. but hey like previouslyt stated +10 for creativity.

[CKAMC]

Yeah Mike over at clearcorners should be done by now with one of the first few sets of Silvia projectors. Thus he should be able to give a reasonable cost. Yes his stuff is expensive but here are the reasons why.

1. Mike does not work on used lamps... so unless you provide him with perfrect/new lamps then your paying for the cost of the cores.

2. He updates the product to 2000 style instead of the old 80's style to improve lighting and for the bling factor

3. One year warranty and simply his products are of quality and support are simply FTW.

He is a pretty cool guy so shot him an email if you become intrested in his stuff.

[kensreliableb18b]

so to sum up

supermade's look great, but light like crap

h4 cibies if u wanna retain flip ups (i have these, u will notice an improvement in lighting)

mike's cool. buy his stuff.

[s13silvia03]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/soshit/PICT0006-vi.jpg

reminds me of

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b321/Yurikaze/pussaww.jpg

The kitty is way cuter than the Z32 conversion IMO.

[derux]

I give the cibie's a +1. I have had them on a few other cars and the light out put is better then anything.

[kaotic]

Ive been running silverstar sealed headlights for the past few years and they work great.. direct oem replacment..

but im moving onto somthing different now.. I plan on getting some HID H4 conversion.. who cares if I blind people.. ass holes in this town always drive with their high beams on, its payback time!

[ixfxi]

Z31 86-88 use 200mm headlamps, just like S13.

Z31 87-89 use special headlamps only sold through NISSAN, just like the FD uses a specific headlamp sold through Mazda.

I dont like RaceOn. I dont know why, but maybe because they copy other products. Anyway, if you DO have that headlamp casing and happen to need better lighting, try to see if these will fit:

http://www.rallylights.com/hella/150mmH4703chart.asp

These are higher quality 150mm headlamp housings that Rally Lights offers. I do not have any first hand experience with them, but they should be good since the folks at Rally Lights on sell higher quality product. From there, you have to make sure that they are properly installed, wired, and aligned.

As for any foglamp/driving lamp bulb made by PIAA, forget it.. its trash. I wouldnt waste my time or my money on anything made by PIAA, they make overpriced show products that are over-marketed -- like BOSE and Monster Cable for you audio folks. :-)

[ixfxi]

kaotic> but im moving onto somthing different now.. I plan on getting some HID H4 conversion.. who cares if I blind people.. ass holes in this town always drive with their high beams on, its payback time!

if you want worse lighting, do the above. if you want better lighting, go with the better headlamp assemblies and bulbs.

HID emits about 2-3x the light of your standard bulb. installing HID in a housing that is not designed for HID, is very much like installing NOS in a Hyundai Excel. want more power? you wont find it in a Hyundai Excel, and adding NOS isnt going to help you. you have to look at the big picture.

proper optics + proper bulbs + proper alignment + proper wiring harness
=
proper lighting

[ThatGuy]

reminds me of a freakin Saturn my friend used to own.....HahAH Saturns get Owned!

Who is your friend? I only ask because I happen to know the first Saturn to have that swap. So happy that car got totaled. :hammer:

[Vatche]

looks exactly like a freaking saturn.

[s14brent]

who cares honestly. you could do a silvia front end and do a retrofit hid so you get that perfect cut off, but is it worth it? im doing h4 drop in hid's. work great and i can see the road

[A Spec Products]

hmmmm....alittle confused about what ^ is talking about...just trying to find out what would be good lighting

just leave it stock in that case

if u have to, get hella h4 housings

with brand name standard bulb

done deal

that is "good" lighting, most light output

[ixfxi]

s14brent> who cares honestly. you could do a silvia front end and do a retrofit hid so you get that perfect cut off, but is it worth it? im doing h4 drop in hid's. work great and i can see the road

dont be stubborn. i work on more lights in one day than you have in your entire life. take advice if you want better lighting. be stubborn if you want crap lighting. afterall, crap lighting is why most s13 owners get into accidents.

[A Spec Products]

afterall, crap lighting is why most s13 owners get into accidents.

haha

i can think of many other reasons :)

and try the quote feature, saves you time cause it looks like you are copying and pasting then bolding

[s14brent]

s14brent> who cares honestly. you could do a silvia front end and do a retrofit hid so you get that perfect cut off, but is it worth it? im doing h4 drop in hid's. work great and i can see the road

dont be stubborn. i work on more lights in one day than you have in your entire life. take advice if you want better lighting. be stubborn if you want crap lighting. afterall, crap lighting is why most s13 owners get into accidents.

woohoo you work on lights. want a f'n medal? sorry i forgot, i race my car and could care less of lighting because mines sufficient. btw h4 w/hid drop ins are way better than oem as for light output. wtf you smoking.

[kaotic]

ixfxi.. from what ive seen the H4 HID works just fine.. and the price is right.. and I sure brent could really care less how many lights you work on, you sound like an ass.. im sure a 150 shot of "NOS" would make that excel faster.. and im pretty damn sure that "crappy lighting" isnt anywhere on the top list of my 240sx's get crashed..

[chmercer]

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8137/lolwi5.jpg

[McRussellPants]

woohoo you work on lights. want a f'n medal? sorry i forgot, i race my car and could care less of lighting because mines sufficient. btw h4 w/hid drop ins are way better than oem as for light output. wtf you smoking.

Dude, you suggested doing Silvia headlights in a thread about better lighting. thats as dumb as it gets, Silvia headlights have the worst pattern/output of any car made since 1920.



Not that this entire thread is any better... want better lights, buy better lights, done. the ones in there don't work since they've been in a car since 1992, buy some new Cibie/Raybrig H4s and be done with it.

[ixfxi]

s14brent> woohoo you work on lights. want a f'n medal?

I already have a medal.


sorry i forgot, i race my car and could care less of lighting because mines sufficient. btw h4 w/hid drop ins are way better than oem as for light output. wtf you smoking.

Really? Is that why HID retrofit kits were banned in the US? Surely it wasnt because they were good!


kaotic> ixfxi.. from what ive seen the H4 HID works just fine.. and the price is right..

You mean, paying $200-300 dollars for a crap quality rebased HID kit is *better* than paying $150-180 for competition H4 headlamps? Ahem, you're paying for looks and completely lacking in performance.


and I sure brent could really care less how many lights you work on, you sound like an ass.. im sure a 150 shot of "NOS" would make that excel faster.. and im pretty damn sure that "crappy lighting" isnt anywhere on the top list of my 240sx's get crashed..

Ehh.... whats this? Since when did the kids on Zilvia start growing balls? I have more posts in my last banned account than both of you combined.

Seriously, I dont understand why you would argue over something that is proven? This isnt 2001 when people didnt understand lighting. Nowadays, there are forums like HID planet dedicated to providing car enthusiasts with parts and information in order to attain proper lighting combinations. And yet, here we are almost in 2007 and you guys are suggesting people use crap quality lighting components.

http://www.crtropicalrentacar.com/images/hyundai-excel.jpg
NICE.

[ThatGuy]

ixfxi, welcome back I suppose. I know lighting is your profession, and you do a damn fine job at it ,but you gotta understand some of these kids don't know you from Adam. All they see is a low post count and someone spouting off facts left and right. They don't realize your level of expertise in this matter. Hopefully your stay here will be better than the last time and we can all live happily ever after with high quality lighting. Until that time, try not to disembowel too many newbs. :bow:

[ryank]

I had the Euro-spec Hella H4 housings and 5000K HID hi/lo on my old hatchback... hands down the most light output than any other 240 headlight setup I've had before (had a few). It gave stock S2000's a run for their money.

[A Spec Products]

You guys need to increase the peace.

Getting defensive gets you nowhere.

I think I'm using Sylvania Cool Blues too, cause that was cheapest possible light at Autozone. Done deal.

[ixfxi]

thatguy, no worries -- truce on the reason i got banned anyway, it was omar's fault.. he kept making "OBLT" posts and well, i thought it was funny and joined in.

there's been a big change in forums since back when i was on zilvia, when it first started. back in the day, you could enjoy your morning bowl of cereal on zilvia and enjoy talking shit. nowadays, you can still have a bowl of cereal.. but you end up reading about whos car got jacked, from some person you dont even know.

anyway, i'll probably be on here a little bit more.. but not nearly as much as i used to. i am working with kevin on setting up sponsorship, that way we can give back to zilvia for keeping this forum alive.

expect to see some pretty economical lighting solutions from us in the near future.

[ThatGuy]

Excellent to hear Mike. Feel free to contact me if I can help at all. I've got some low-quality lighting that hopefully you can rectify for me, when I'm not broke. :rofl:

[ThatGuy]

**EDIT**94plum, now all your lighting questions are in one thread. Just as it should have been from the start.

Next time you have questions like this that are all related to each other, just add on to your current thread. No need to start multiple threads on the same topic. Do it again and I'll just close them all and you'll never get your answers. Have a nice day.

[s14brent]

Dude, you suggested doing Silvia headlights in a thread about better lighting. thats as dumb as it gets, Silvia headlights have the worst pattern/output of any car made since 1920.



Not that this entire thread is any better... want better lights, buy better lights, done. the ones in there don't work since they've been in a car since 1992, buy some new Cibie/Raybrig H4s and be done with it.

silvia lights with a "retrofit..ie bmw e36, s2k projector" due to the fact i thas a projector, i know how silvia headlight output is practically. i'd just throw another drop in there. i dont carea bout post count, i rarely post on this site, but i've been around a long time. but how are you going to say a h4 with drop in hid's is not sufficient lighting? i'm using denso ballasts and d2s bulbs with h4 bracket from a gs300 but that counts as a drop in to me. im not here to have my buddies chime or act like a hard ass. its a topic about lights get over it.

[kaotic]

kaotic> ixfxi.. from what ive seen the H4 HID works just fine.. and the price is right.. [/b]

You mean, paying $200-300 dollars for a crap quality rebased HID kit is *better* than paying $150-180 for competition H4 headlamps? Ahem, you're paying for looks and completely lacking in performance.


and I sure brent could really care less how many lights you work on, you sound like an ass.. im sure a 150 shot of "NOS" would make that excel faster.. and im pretty damn sure that "crappy lighting" isnt anywhere on the top list of my 240sx's get crashed..

Ehh.... whats this? Since when did the kids on Zilvia start growing balls? I have more posts in my last banned account than both of you combined.

Seriously, I dont understand why you would argue over something that is proven? This isnt 2001 when people didnt understand lighting. Nowadays, there are forums like HID planet dedicated to providing car enthusiasts with parts and information in order to attain proper lighting combinations. And yet, here we are almost in 2007 and you guys are suggesting people use crap quality lighting components.

http://www.crtropicalrentacar.com/images/hyundai-excel.jpg
NICE.

In my mind the lights are, I never once suggested to get them.. I said I had been running silverstars for years and they work great.. I never said that the drop in H4 kit was superior to all lighting systems.. THANKS FOR READING..

The more you write the bigger of a douche bag you're really turning out to be.. no wonder you were banned before.. I never once started up an argument with you, you're just balls happy to (I guess) start back up where you left off, when you got banned on your other account with the 2 million posts on it.. ixfxi, you fail

and how about this.. rewind before you started to try and skeet on everybody.. you’re some "lighting professional" right? why don’t you, rather than shit on everybody and their ideas, share your knowledge..and spout off some company names/products that would be a better solution to my H4 HID kit?

[chmercer]

lol my picture is rolling x3 now with the threads combined, i tried to delete but i cant, o well

[NervGS]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOH DAMN.

This is going to get good.

Where's my popcorn...?

-glenn

[TipStylez]

when i had my old sealed beams, they had a better output, and lit up the road better. But looking at the light they look yellow, but on the road they are white.

I liked it, but they had to blow on me one day, so i said fuck it and got the ebay h4 conversion with quality bulbs.

I want my sealed beams back...

[SochBAT]

Funny thing.

Look at the address to the Z32Headlight picture. Look familiar?

I originally bought it, and swapped the lights back to popups. It was a totally MickyMouse Job, crap booger welds, mickeyMouse removal and decimation of the rad. support, worst mistake ever. But, i do still have those head lights somewhere in teh garage.

Yea, those headlights were bright as hell tho. Awesome lighting.

[ThatGuy]

So that's it? Three threads and it ends like this? It just get's killed like that? Why did I even bother to merge them? I should of just deleted them! :duh:

[ixfxi]

thatguy> So that's it? Three threads and it ends like this? It just get's killed like that? Why did I even bother to merge them? I should of just deleted them!

haha.. funny, i was going to respond to a couple of the comments on this thread, but got too busy with work. its better to focus on work than try to convince some goof that he (or she) is a tool for spending money on a flawed product.

.................BUT. if you want a response, I'll be more than happy to insert my opinion. especially since its the end of the day and well, what better way to end it.. than on zilvia.


kaotic> The more you write the bigger of a douche bag you're really turning out to be.. no wonder you were banned before.. I never once started up an argument with you, you're just balls happy to (I guess) start back up where you left off, when you got banned on your other account with the 2 million posts on it.. ixfxi, you fail and how about this.. rewind before you started to try and skeet on everybody.. you’re some "lighting professional" right? why don’t you, rather than shit on everybody and their ideas, share your knowledge..and spout off some company names/products that would be a better solution to my H4 HID kit?

rewind and search through posts from the past, you'll find posts from "old_s13," thats me. rewind and you'll note that it was me who was pounding sense into many of the new & trendy ball-swinging 240sx owners.

most of you new fuckers are spoon-fed. oh "give me the information" what the fuck, are you so lazy you cant research and open your mind? LEARN and LISTEN. if you dont care, then dont post. but dont sit here like a smart ass preaching about HID kits if you dont know that they are junk.. it just makes you look more stupid. then you ask me to share knowledge? no thanks.

i dont need to be nice. i dont need to push volume to meet a sales quota. i dont need any of that, i just need to sell high quality parts for those who demand nothing but the best for their cars.

if you buy knockoff parts, you suck. support the good, hard working companies that create original products. so what if you pay more? atleast you're dealing with professional individuals who's primary goal isnt copying and selling to make a buck, its fabricating a quality product and standing behind what they fab. these are the companies that you WANT to keep in business.

if you buy HID because it looks cool, you suck. buy anything that will give you BETTER lighting. more light isnt better light. better OPTICS is better light.

mike / clearcorners.com

[chmercer]

I should of just deleted them!

+1

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[kaotic]

ok, so pretty much youre too good to drop some names.. good job..

[raz0rbladez909]

Dude he doesnt need to name drop products, heck look at his freakin site for crying out loud, stop being such a tool and admit defeat you will get nowhere with your argument. He explains facts to you and you are too hard headed to say "hey this guy might know what he is talking about." face it you :Owned: yourself

[ixfxi]

ok, so pretty much youre too good to drop some names.. good job..

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A WINNER IS YOU!

jesus, its as if i have to repeat myself a MILLION times. thanks guys, for understanding why i am such a hard-ass. seriously, you make my life a lot happier knowing that not everyone is a tool like this guy.

[Ichi-Go]

ixfxi keeps it real...

Anybody ever think about auxilery lighting if you are having problems seeing. I know its hard to implement and not look gay but its probably easier and way cheaper than new housings, HID kits and all that.

[drift freaq]

Kaotic, I would not be argueing lighting with ixfxi, aka Mike. He knows more about lighting than you could have probably learned in your lifetime. He speaks from a very knowledgable and learned standing. He is also a real old schooler in the scene and was probably driving a 240sx even before you knew what it was.
Get over it man. He is bar none the best lighting person in the business. He is trying to work with Zilvia to bring quality affordable lighting for our cars.
All you seem intent to do, is to argue from a losing position and try to piss him off, by showing your lack of knowledge in lighting and calling him names.

You know what? I sell high quality engine install kits and high quality urethane engine mounts. I will stand up for the product and diss the home depot injected industrial grade urethane into stock mounts every time.
Why ? The home depot way is a cheap solution (that I feel is crap)for people who are cheap.
My mounts are not that expensive but they do cost. Your lighting solution falls into the same area its a cheap, it does not mean its good or great or the best.
Fact is the stuff Mike sells will walk your solution any day of the week. Just like Syko engine mounts will walk , Home depot, Nismo, Cusco and Uras any day of the week.

[kaotic]

did I ever argue with this puppet about how HID H4s are the best thing since sliced bread?? If im such a "tool" for saying what is on my mind, weather it be right or wrong.. when I have not even said anything wrong about "lighting facts".. then oh well!! I only stated that I was going to go with something different other than the silver star sealed beams.. and then the lone ranger over there gets his panties in a bunch over the "cheap HIDs.." then all you jockeys jump into the saddle with ole tanto and try to ride off in the sunset with the fearless uber poster.. jesus christ

anybody remember why this thread was started?? some guy was wanting to know what other people were doing with their lighting setups.. and me, like other, posted that.. I can care less weather or not this guy posts information.. all im trying to do is help this dude out, rather than be a total ass pirate.. but since you all have to need to flex, ill stand up.. I’ve never been one to back down, and I wont..

Let me ask you this please.. before going off and jumping into a conversation, please read everything.. And if youre a little slow, read it again.. Because from the looks of it some of you have your head so far up your ass (or another persons) that you don’t take in the facts.. You only take a side.. Seeing as how its me vs the world on this one.. I like it.. Its fun.. God damn, its fun to be right..

Now, ixfxi.. Please do yourself a favor.. Take a breath, relax.. And think about what I posted, now im sure it gets you all steamed up inside (and from the looks of things you already have) but actually read what I’ve wrote, and try and understand that all I’ve been doing is trying to get information about this topic to come to light.. From the looks of things you shop puts out some killer work (all be it way out of my price range for some lights).. And im sure youll spout off some attempted smart ass comment.. But hey.. In the end of it all, if a bear takes a shit in the woods..who really gives a fuck?

[NervGS]

Funny, I was actually with him when he made that previous post and we were both laughing our asses off at what your problem is kaotic. He answered your question, and now you're trying to save yourself from being the ass that you've shown the world you can be.

Please, go cry in the corner.

Thank you.

-glenn

[drift freaq]

did I ever argue with this puppet about how HID H4s are the best thing since sliced bread?? If im such a "tool" for saying what is on my mind, weather it be right or wrong.. when I have not even said anything wrong about "lighting facts".. then oh well!! I only stated that I was going to go with something different other than the silver star sealed beams.. and then the lone ranger over there gets his panties in a bunch over the "cheap HIDs.." then all you jockeys jump into the saddle with ole tanto and try to ride off in the sunset with the fearless uber poster.. jesus christ

anybody remember why this thread was started?? some guy was wanting to know what other people were doing with their lighting setups.. and me, like other, posted that.. I can care less weather or not this guy posts information.. all im trying to do is help this dude out, rather than be a total ass pirate.. but since you all have to need to flex, ill stand up.. I’ve never been one to back down, and I wont..

Let me ask you this please.. before going off and jumping into a conversation, please read everything.. And if youre a little slow, read it again.. Because from the looks of it some of you have your head so far up your ass (or another persons) that you don’t take in the facts.. You only take a side.. Seeing as how its me vs the world on this one.. I like it.. Its fun.. God damn, its fun to be right..

Now, ixfxi.. Please do yourself a favor.. Take a breath, relax.. And think about what I posted, now im sure it gets you all steamed up inside (and from the looks of things you already have) but actually read what I’ve wrote, and try and understand that all I’ve been doing is trying to get information about this topic to come to light.. From the looks of things you shop puts out some killer work (all be it way out of my price range for some lights).. And im sure youll spout off some attempted smart ass comment.. But hey.. In the end of it all, if a bear takes a shit in the woods..who really gives a fuck?


dude, your the one that needs to take a step back and take a deep breath. Your not right. You have made yourself out to look like the ass pirate here, not the other way around. I read what you wrote, you offered the kind of cheap stuff I was talking about in my post.
You are a noob around here, you come in get proven wrong point for point and what do you do? You attack people, you call people names, yes they are going to call you shit back, you started it.
I contribute a lot to this forum. More than you have ever done. Head up my ass eh. If I had my head up ass I would not even be posting on the forum.
I help a lot of people out here. HHMMMMM does not sound like someone with their head up their ass.
You really need to check your shit because your the one that has got his head up his ass.

[kandyflip445]

Anyways.....

I bought Hella H4 conversions (from Mike aka old_s13/ixfxi) and a H4 HID kit from a group buy held by Jeff240sx. There is a lot more light and I can see better at night than before. BUT the housing are aimed very very low and to the right. If my pictures were still up in my vbgarage you could see the glare off of them. I would much rather prefer to have the Hella HID projectors that ixfxi offers someday, but right now this setup kinda makes me feel like a guy with a primered body kit rolling around town. It's not done RIGHT!

[ixfxi]

ichi-go> Anybody ever think about auxilery lighting if you are having problems seeing. I know its hard to implement and not look gay but its probably easier and way cheaper than new housings, HID kits and all that.

Actually, you're better off with better headlamps than you are "auxilary lamps." There are two types of lamps you can mount in your lower bumper area:

foglamps: obvious use, is for fog. these are not powerful, and should never be. (ie: hid fog is useless). the point to a foglamp is to provide low-glare light that will flow under the fog onto the bottom of the road. in fog, the only thing you can ever really ATTEMPT to see are the road markings - hence the benefits of a low power foglamp. furthermore, having an HID (or higher kelvin light source) will most likely refract more through the mist versus a more yellow bulb, hence the reason why drivers typically prefer amber colored lamps for poor visibility conditions.

driving lamps: its another way of saying "extra high beams." driving lamps do not have a precise lighting pattern, they are just extra spot lamps to provide additional light. these should ONLY be used in conjunction with your high beams -- never on while driving. of course, very few people actually listen or care, or know better!

so, for those who think foglamps will help, they wont. with a low and wide beam spread, they have slight benefits.. but nothing note-worth. for those of you think driving lamps will help, they will.. but only when your high beams are on. driving lamps should be used as a SUPPLEMENTARY to good headlamps (low/high beams).

[ixfxi]

kaotic> From the looks of things you shop puts out some killer work (all be it way out of my price range for some lights).. And im sure youll spout off some attempted smart ass comment.. But hey.. In the end of it all, if a bear takes a shit in the woods..who really gives a fuck?

trust me brotha, i could care less about the feelings that people pickup on this forum. i am not out to put you down just so i can be king around here. to me, zilvia always has and always will be a forum for the more grass-roots 240SX folk who arent scared to say things how it is. while fresh alloy has good information and some good forum members, this place has always been a place where guys can speak their mind. i mean, where else can you tell a chick that she's a bullshit fake drifting whore? :-) oh sorry, i wasnt around for that thread.

anyway, the point being here is.. read before you speak, listen a bit -- thats ALL i'm trying to say. the information was posted on the first page of this thread. and honestly, $130.00 for two glass/metal headlamps is not a bad deal, especially considering that the parts are not mainstream, have exceptional build quality, and blow away ANYTHING in the market at this point in time.

want more examples? check out these prices...
- 350Z hid-spec headlamps: 800/each new, retail.
- NSX 02-05 headlamps: 1100/each new, retail.

While the Cibie lamps arent "H - I - D" it doesnt matter, they are fucking kickass.. and extremely efficient. Which means if you ask MY opinion, they will blow away stock G35 reflector HID headlamps. Amazing, isnt it? That a pair of halogen lamps can out perform the latest and greatest in HID?

The point I'm trying to make here is, its not about brand, its not about having HID or having halogen -- its about having a GOOD headlamp, proper optics, and good quality light source. Sometimes HID is better, sometimes HIR is better, and sometimes halogen is better -- each car has its own characteristics that should be taking into account for, and wise decisions should be made about what to equip that vehicle with.

The more cars I work on, the more I learn that things are not identical for each car -- each application is unique. This is why you have 240SX specialty shops, Miata shops, NSX shops, etc. These people specialize to ensure that you dont get some crap "trend" product, because all these people do, day in and day out, is work on the same applications. This is why I am in business, you wont find these products in the dealership, and you wont find them pretty much anywhere else. So while a pair of LED taillamps or headlamps may sound unrealistic at times, the point is.. you cant get them anywhere, and our customers appreciate that.

Going back to the original topic, Cibie 200mm ECE H4 headlamps.. simply put, they *are* the best. pair them up with some high quality bulbs, and YOU - ARE - SET. I mean, thats it.. you're done. You'll never have to worry about not being able to see, ever again until you buy another car.

The hella lamps arent bad, but they arent as good or as efficient as the cibie lamps. If its a matter of preference, I prefer the Cibie. I could sell either one, I just prefer not wasting time and not confusing customers, just sell the best of the bunch. Anyone who wants to save a bit by buying the hella or bosch, thats fine.. go buy them elsewhere. Its nothing personal and doesnt matter to me.

kandyflip and ANYONE else running an HID kit, do yourself a favor -sell it. You WILL get better performance with a heavy duty wiring harness + competition bulbs. Sure, you will most likely change the bulbs a bit more often than you would say, an HID bulb, but thats not the point.. the lighting pattern will be superior.

thanks for listening,
Mike / ClearCorners

debates like this still occur, amazingly enough. and even though these people are proven wrong, no one ever wants to admit they made a mistake and bought a crappy product. here's a funny recent thread on the miata forum, for those of you that are bored.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=197265&highlight=xeon

funny thing is, atleast the miata headlamps are projector.. so its even less of an issue. but you 240 guys, you ELIMINATE your high beams by putting a single filament HID bulb in there.. thats such a big mistake. there's no benefit AT ALL from running an HID kit in those headlamps.

[koukimonster139]

ixfxi - are you the same person from clearcorners.com I talked to on the phone yesterday about the LED taillights, turn signals, and HIDs for my S14??

Anyway amazing 100% original products. Go you!

[kaotic]

lmfao, you guys are a fucking riot! jesus... id like anybody to please let me know when I started an argument about HID H4s.. please, I really would.. not a single post that I made was geared towards what all you are saying I said.. when did I ever argue about the HID H4? Id really like someone to quote me when I did.. because from the looks of it.. I NEVER DID.. i only stated WHAT I was thinking of doing.. jesus..

all i have to say at this point is what the fuck.. you have read what I posted.. but have zero comprehension of what it said.. I really do give up.. how can I be proven wrong by a matter of someones opionion..? how can I be proven wrong when I wasnt even in the position to be wrong, all I stated(and ill say it again) was that I was going to make a change for an HID look, rather than the silver star sealed beams that ive had in my car for the past 3 years.. god.. and you all are calling me the moron..

[ixfxi]

shuttup already, thanks.

[CKAMC]

Yeah ixfxi is mike at clearcorners and he pretty much is the guy that picks up the phone most of the time. If I had more time mike I would call you again so we could shoot the shits on 240's but god forbit me time at work for phone calls unrelated to customers *rollseyes*.

-Chris Pinnacle Nissan Scottsdale that called about half off on kouki tail lamps :D

[NervGS]

If you don't want criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.

For fuck's sake, if you don't understand; this is a car forum, the second you post some kind of shitty modification, you're open to getting blasted from anyone. If you don't like how it is, please leave or just shut the fuck up.

-glenn

[kaotic]

If you don't want criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.

For fuck's sake, if you don't understand; this is a car forum, the second you post some kind of shitty modification, you're open to getting blasted from anyone. If you don't like how it is, please leave or just shut the fuck up.

-glenn

hahaha, im having fun with this.. i dont know what youre smokin

[AuburnRyan]

Edit: Too late - I already bumped it :)

I'm running some IKI 200mm H4 Glass housing with Osram (Phillips) +50% bulbs (silverstar but without the blue - HID Look). Lights up great, has a pretty clean horizontal cutoff, etc. Happy with them overall, rivals the output *on the road* of OEM HID cars i drive next to...

I was looking at "upgrading" the housings to Cibie (but didn't want the city lights) or Hella originally- can't find *much* online on IKI housings, is that the JDM OEM light housing? Just curious...

If I had the time/$$ I'd run a custom projector setup like mike sells.

[ixfxi]

cibie headlamps are available with or without city lamps. we stock the city lamp version, since its a nice safety feature - but you can either not install that feature, or we can special order the cibie lamps without the city lamps.

we have some kickass bulbs that match the cibie h4 headlamps, better than the silverstar bulbs. we also have some competition bulbs, but those require upgraded wiring harness. wiring harness upgrade is highly recommended regardless if you run stock bulbs, premium, or competition. Its the same as having a stereo in your car and running stock wiring, you're better off going with better quality relay/harness setup.

cheers!
mike / clearcorners.com

[drew935]

I bought Autopal Ecode H4 housings, d2s adapters, and put in philips stock Hids from and S2k. All is good :D

[derux]

made these and finily got some pic of them. In the pic is only one head light. So just doulbe it to get what having two headlights would look like. I think it has a good light out put for just halagen.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/beat_doggie/my_photos

[drew935]

made these and finily got some pic of them. In the pic is only one head light. So just doulbe it to get what having two headlights would look like. I think it has a good light out put for just halagen.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/beat_doggie/my_photos
So you're running Cibie's or what housing? I like the cutoff. I want a sharper cutoff with my housings with HIDS

[derux]

So you're running Cibie's or what housing? I like the cutoff. I want a sharper cutoff with my housings with HIDS


I guess i didnt explain. These headlights are for the silvia front conversion. they are dual projector. I made them have a LHD cut off and they put out more light then a '90's technology projector.

[drew935]

/\ ahhh sweet. Well at least I can only improve my lighting with better housings and not have sub par...:hsdance:

[ixfxi]

I bought Autopal Ecode H4 housings, d2s adapters, and put in philips stock Hids from and S2k. All is good

weak. ditch that shit and revert to high output halogen, that setup is trash.

a pair of cibie headlamps would blow that setup away. not to mention, you'll actually have something called a high beam.. not some flawed HID retrofit garbage.

mike

[KA-T_240]

mike, would you be able to post up links to what you would call your ideal headlamp setup for the s13 with pop ups. i looked on the clearcorners website and was confused, it listed multiple H4 items.

and what do recomend to do for the wiring harness?

Thanks you for your advise.

[drew935]

Mike, I don't want halogen. Does Cibie make H4 housings?

[ixfxi]

Here are the facts:

- Ideal headlamp for the S13 popups are the 200mm Cibie ECE headlamps that use H4 bulbs, best bang for the buck. Run prem, ultra-prem, or competition bulbs.. all depends on how much light you want. I would recommend wiring harness regardless of what you run, but its mandatory with the comp bulbs. If bling + power is what you want, then the low-pro HID setup is choice. But, its super expensive, very involved install, and did I say super expensive? We will eventually offer this as a kit, release date is uncertain.

- Ideal headlamp for the S13 Silvia are dual or triple projectors, retrofitted to DOT compliant optics. Derux (Reid) is a good retrofitter, or we can release some "bling" DOT compliant HID setup w/ LED accents to match. S13 reflector (original silvia) headlamps are absolutely useless and shouldnt be used on US roads.

- 95-96 S14 owners are SOL, the best solution for you are the german e-code lamps. HID is not feasible, unless you do some very lengthy retrofit.. for instance, get those weird "full clear" headlamp covers, install projectors, make a custom bezel, etc.. its a shit load of work, you're better off getting 97-98 front-end and upgrading that. 95-96 owners are in a tough spot in terms of lighting.

- 97-98 headlamps have the choice front-end, easy to upgrade with better quality HID-spec projectors. Dont waste time with the factory optics, or on a bullshit HID retrofit kit.

- S15 front end, if you have the halogen lamps.. you'll need to retrofit them to DOT compliant optics, just like S13 projector headlamps. Expect to do a lot of work. If you got the HID-spec headlamps, you'll still need to do a lot of work to make them operate properly. We actually need to do more R&D with this setup before offering some solid advice "to the people." If anyone has an S15 that they want to upgrade, give us a hollar. We have one customer we may R&D with, but nothing concrete as of yet.

best of luck fuckers,
- mike / clearcorners.com

[KA-T_240]

K, i still dont know what you mean by the "harness" do yo mean to just rewire the headlight power supply or what?

[Creizai]

This bitch knows his shit, I tricked him into talking to me for like an hour on the phone, we laughed we cried he still wouldn't give a damn deal on those -spec 180SX Twin Ring Dual LED Tail Light Kit (Hatchback).. oh well he knows more about lighting (too bad he makes terrible coilover decisions) than anyone posting on Zilvia...

I bought Autopal Ecode H4 housings, d2s adapters, and put in philips stock Hids from and S2k. All is good

weak. ditch that shit and revert to high output halogen, that setup is trash.

a pair of cibie headlamps would blow that setup away. not to mention, you'll actually have something called a high beam.. not some flawed HID retrofit garbage.

mike

[drift freaq]

This bitch knows his shit, I tricked him into talking to me for like an hour on the phone, we laughed we cried he still wouldn't give a damn deal on those -spec 180SX Twin Ring Dual LED Tail Light Kit (Hatchback).. oh well he knows more about lighting (too bad he makes terrible coilover decisions) than anyone posting on Zilvia...
I would not call his coilover decision terrible. He got them in a deal aka barter so it worked for him. Plus have you tried the Whiteline coilovers? Have you driven them or rode in his car? I have they are not bad coilovers. Whiteline is a quality Australian company that sells some good shit. Your statement above just shows you follow the party line on products with out really investigating.
Sorry if this might offend you but you brought it on yourself with your statement.

P.S. you did not trick him into talking to you. He is business , he talked to you because there was an off hand chance you might buy some lighting.

[Creizai]

I would not call his coilover decision terrible. He got them in a deal aka barter so it worked for him. Plus have you tried the Whiteline coilovers? Have you driven them or rode in his car? I have they are not bad coilovers. Whiteline is a quality Australian company that sells some good shit. Your statement above just shows you follow the party line on products with out really investigating.
Sorry if this might offend you but you brought it on yourself with your statement.

P.S. you did not trick him into talking to you. He is business , he talked to you because there was an off hand chance you might buy some lighting.

ummm :keke: My post was completely and 100% towards ixfxi and was really "Inside" jokes to see if I could get him to remember me. I would explain it but I dont need to.

I understand you getting a little ticked cause thought I was mading fun of the coilovers you had, just dont take everythign so personal this isn't honda-tech :P

If you give me your # .. I'll call you up order some motormount + we can have some fun.

[Ninjabread]

My advice.. dont waste your money, just get some glass housing with deflectors in them, and some good PIAA H4 bulbs, you are set.

[derux]

K, i still dont know what you mean by the "harness" do yo mean to just rewire the headlight power supply or what?

Yes mike is saying that you should run relays from the battery for the power of the lights and the factory wires will now be used to turn the relays on and off. This will give the lights a better amount of power and save your factory wires from overheating with the extra current the high out put bulbs use.

[TurbLu]

I really like the ClearCorners.com's projector conversion, but I feel its way over priced. They remind me of the Corvette and Miatta headlight conversions still being done today.

[ThatGuy]

I really like the ClearCorners.com's projector conversion, but I feel its way over priced. They remind me of the Corvette and Miatta headlight conversions still being done today.

Build it yourself and you can decide to charge whatever you want.

I'll stick up for Mike's work, and we don't even like each other. :keke:

[drift freaq]

ummm :keke: My post was completely and 100% towards ixfxi and was really "Inside" jokes to see if I could get him to remember me. I would explain it but I dont need to.

I understand you getting a little ticked cause thought I was mading fun of the coilovers you had, just dont take everythign so personal this isn't honda-tech :P

If you give me your # .. I'll call you up order some motormount + we can have some fun.
Hahahahahaha, if you think I was ticked? Not in the least. No I a not running the Whitelines, though I have ridden in Mike's car with them. Mike is a good friend,I have his back, thats all. Your post while propping him though, did look a little on the putdown side with your comment. That is what I responded to . Also I have never owned a Honda, hahhahaha , have never been on honda-tech and have no wish to ever be on honda tech. hahhahhahhaha.

[ixfxi]

This bitch knows his shit, I tricked him into talking to me for like an hour on the phone, we laughed we cried he still wouldn't give a damn deal on those -spec 180SX Twin Ring Dual LED Tail Light Kit (Hatchback).. oh well he knows more about lighting (too bad he makes terrible coilover decisions) than anyone posting on Zilvia...

Oh, you're the one that I had to hang up on because HE WOULDNT SHUT THE FUCK UP. Damn, I dont know why I am so polite in person. Tell ya what, next time you call I'm going to fuckin hang up on your FACE. haha jk

BTW, the whiteline coilovers are great.. I never had any qualms with them. I am running Tein coilovers on the Miata, and they are "okay" but not as compliant as the whitelines. I think the whitelines have a real stable ride feel. Expensive.. mostly because of shipping costs from Aus.


Yes mike is saying that you should run relays from the battery for the power of the lights and the factory wires will now be used to turn the relays on and off. This will give the lights a better amount of power and save your factory wires from overheating with the extra current the high out put bulbs use.

Even if you are running stock wattage bulbs, there is no reason to run power from the battery, into the interior, through the combination switch, and then back out to the headlamps. This is the factory design, and its a very long haul. Add 15 years to the age of the wiring/switches and its a pretty significant current drop. You're better off with a relay harness, not to mention you CAN run higher wattage bulbs, should you desire. Its just a better setup, thats all.


I really like the ClearCorners.com's projector conversion, but I feel its way over priced. They remind me of the Corvette and Miatta headlight conversions still being done today.

Thats fine, because I agree.. they ARE over-priced. Just the HID-spec projectors alone will run you $545/each. $1090/pair is a LOT of money for two HID-spec projectors, isnt it? Oh well, boo hoo, its the cost you gotta pay if you want nice, DOT compliant optics. If you dont care, buy some cheap Japanese kit that uses foglamps or driving lamps - it will run you $300-400 and you wont be able to see 10 feet in front of your car. I think those kits are worth it.

Sarcasm aside, why not be more realistic. Stop trying to be a baller and just pay $130 for two Cibie headlamps. See, you can actually get QUALITY lighting for a fraction of the price, without having to put up a front of being a baller. A baller is someone who can afford the "bling" shit and not care or complain about the pricing, like these G35/350Z people.. spending $2500 on used TE37s.. or $4000 on them NEW. Have you ever spent that much on wheels? No, because you're not a baller. Neither am I, hence the reason I dont drive a G35.

Serious.. people need to wake up and look at their bank accounts. Stop trying to build your car in order to "show off" to everyone as to how baller you are (or arent). If you can afford something, buy it.. if you cant, then dont complain. I dont complain about not having a Ferrari, I just dont think about it. I'de love a McLaren F1, but I dont want them to lower their price.. its fine the way it is, out of my league -- but beautiful, regardless.


Build it yourself and you can decide to charge whatever you want.
I'll stick up for Mike's work, and we don't even like each other.

Hey Barry, thats the PAST man.. let that "only bitches lock threads" shit die already. hah

[ixfxi]

My advice.. dont waste your money, just get some glass housing with deflectors in them, and some good PIAA H4 bulbs, you are set.

BTW, there IS NO such thing as a good PIAA bulb. PIAA is a show company, their products suck the ballz.

Best S13 popup headlamp is made by Cibie. Want a good bulb? We have several to chose from, depending on what wattage you want to run.

[ThatGuy]

Build it yourself and you can decide to charge whatever you want.
I'll stick up for Mike's work, and we don't even like each other.

Hey Barry, thats the PAST man.. let that "only bitches lock threads" shit die already. hah

I have no idea what you are talking about, Mike. :loco:


:rofl: :angel:

BTW, when you gonna drop the Advertiser Dues and set up a group buy on some bulbs or something? Zilvia pricing on some l.e.d. goodness? Come on. :D

[Creizai]

This bitch knows his shit, I tricked him into talking to me for like an hour on the phone, we laughed we cried he still wouldn't give a damn deal on those -spec 180SX Twin Ring Dual LED Tail Light Kit (Hatchback).. oh well he knows more about lighting (too bad he makes terrible coilover decisions) than anyone posting on Zilvia...

Oh, you're the one that I had to hang up on because HE WOULDNT SHUT THE FUCK UP. Damn, I dont know why I am so polite in person. Tell ya what, next time you call I'm going to fuckin hang up on your FACE. haha jk

BTW, the whiteline coilovers are great.. I never had any qualms with them. I am running Tein coilovers on the Miata, and they are "okay" but not as compliant as the whitelines. I think the whitelines have a real stable ride feel. Expensive.. mostly because of shipping costs from Aus.

I love this guy, I told him I wanted H4 Conversion headlights so I could buy some cheap H.I.D kit and he was trying to talk me out of buying them. He was explaining the hole terrible lighting pattern and horrible spread that I was prolly going to end up killing someone, and I just said Hey dude its fucking Ohio these bitches can burn. Anyway I ended up being talked out of the H.I.D part but since he was the most helpful person I've ever talked to on the phone I bought the H4's anyway and some bulbs he suggested.

[Ninjabread]

I think you are fine as long as your housing has those deflectors?!

[ixfxi]

I think you are fine as long as your housing has those deflectors?!

You mean those "casper shields" ?? Installing those with HID and thinking its OK is like installing fix-a-flat and then doing 150+ mph.

Funny you bring that up, I added a pic of those on the site yesterday.. read more here: http://clearcorners.com/services/#hid

[Biggamehit]

i just used and set of ebay clear housing lights and i run piaa 8K bulbs easy to replace when i crash ( already happened). the 8k bulb is the one on the left side, the right side was an backup h4 becuase the other 8k blew.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7513/10018785uh.jpg
i fixed the beam on the fog that night it was the first time testing them after i installed them that night
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9179/10018772gc.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2115/10018713jz.jpg

just keep it simple buddy if you plan on racing the car becuase all that money will go down the drain. with my current wallet status, my theory is if I cant get it from the junkyard i dont want it. Ill personaly never buy HID, ignitor goes up and you looking at about 140 something on average.

[ThatGuy]

What exactly are you trying to display with your foglights on and your headlights mostly closed? How is that supposed to show anything about the quality of the headlights?

[Dousan_PG]

just keep it simple buddy if you plan on racing the car becuase all that money will go down the drain. with my current wallet status, my theory is if I cant get it from the junkyard i dont want it. Ill personaly never buy HID, ignitor goes up and you looking at about 140 something on average.


and thats why your car wll always be a piece of shit

there i said it.

poor people shouldnt get into cars. its so sad. i see it everyday.


btw mike, i gotta check your site again. im back on fastback s13 status. gotta see the goods

[ixfxi]

Aaron, allow me...

i just used and set of ebay clear housing lights and i run piaa 8K bulbs easy to replace when i crash ( already happened). the 8k bulb is the one on the left side, the right side was an backup h4 becuase the other 8k blew.

You busted your shit because you either:
a) Suck at driving.
b) Cant see shit because of your crappy lights.

Ever walked to the bathroom in the dark? Can you see well? No, you cant idiot.. because the lights are off. Tell me how many things you bump into with the lights ON.


just keep it simple buddy if you plan on racing the car becuase all that money will go down the drain. with my current wallet status, my theory is if I cant get it from the junkyard i dont want it. Ill personaly never buy HID, ignitor goes up and you looking at about 140 something on average.

This is the NEWSCHOOL mentality that rocks low-quality, low-cost APC fenders and shit like that. Seriously, its this type of thinking that has degraded the 240SX community into what it is today: RHD shit headlamps, fenders that dont fit, and shit quality tires.

Save money, buy good quality parts OR KEEP THAT SHIT STOCK. All this zip-tied, bondo-applied bullshit makes me sick. How can you walk up to your car and enjoy what you drive when its powered by MacDonalds.

[Biggamehit]

and thats why your car wll always be a piece of shit

there i said it.

poor people shouldnt get into cars. its so sad. i see it everyday.


btw mike, i gotta check your site again. im back on fastback s13 status. gotta see the goods

son im not poor by an long shot. i just did the whole college thing now im in the Air Force and im paying back bills thats all. my car is far from shit. and its self built so i could careless about what the fuck you think.

thank you.

[ThatGuy]

You still haven't answered my question. What are you trying to prove with your headlights mostly closed?

Also, do not refer to members as "son". It is derogatory in nature and uncalled for.

[Dousan_PG]

son im not poor by an long shot. i just did the whole college thing now im in the Air Force and im paying back bills thats all. my car is far from shit. and its self built so i could careless about what the fuck you think.

thank you.

son? im sure we are near the smae age if not, maybe im older. 27 here
as far as bills. oh shit you too? no way. WHO THE FUCK DOESNT HAVE BILLS/DEBT??
give me a break. such a cop out.

if u dont give a fuck what i think.....

WHY DID YOU REPLY?

obviously you got in a huff about it. and i laugh. at you. and your car.
try again

[Team Rootbeer]

haha.....funny^

wait...isnt that guy the same one with the rusted-the-fuck-out, bent-ass strut tower coupe in that other thread? i think so.

man....give up

[TurbLu]

Damn.. sooo much hate and drama!!! LMAO its like the 90210 of the 240 world.... Yellow HIDS for my reverse lights FTW!!!!

[Biggamehit]

You still haven't answered my question. What are you trying to prove with your headlights mostly closed?

Also, do not refer to members as "son". It is derogatory in nature and uncalled for.
what uncalled for is dudes to jump on my back. sorry i didnt read the whole thread about the quality of lights. i just thought the thread starter was just looking for options. and i just posted mine thats all. I put myself through college and now I serve a country with a bunch of like clowns who feel good about putting someone down. Ill be ok dont worry about me, I dont know shit about any of you here or really care to. Many here are the type that would not say shit to my face at a meet if i came out with my car, why do i know this becuse i have been to many Forum meets. E thugs, get a fucking life dude.

[FaLKoN240]

It's only because you're parading your lights around on this thread like you're trying to show something off.

Then you talk about how cool you are and how cheap it is to fix shit when you bap.

NOT COOL.

Your service to the country has nothing to do with how much we're going to respect your car BTW.

[ThatGuy]

So I'm an E-thug because you didn't read the whole thread, and I was just tryig to make you realize you weren't helping with your pictures?... Hmmm, interesting.

And you're better than me because you serve our country? You're right, you don't know anything about me. I am US Marine, and have been for the last 8 years, and will be for many more. But you're a better person because you use it as an excuse for not reading, and then getting upset when I question you.

Now I didn't jump on your back, I just ask a simple question. If I was going to jump on your back I'd say things like "LEARN HOW TO CAPITALIZE THE FIRST LETTER OF A SENTENCE! WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE A 3 YEAR OLD DESIGNED YOU "CAR CLUB" SIGNATURE? WHY ARE YOU ILLEGALING DRIFTING IN A PARKING LOT, AND THEN SHOWING OFF THE VIDEO ON THE INTERNET?" But I didn't, I just asked what you were trying to prove with your headlights closed. I don't suggest you carry on like this any further. Cut your loses and walk away. Next time, please read the Thread you are posting in, to prevent yourself future troubles.

[~4N~]

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j281/casman86/sexiestwheelsEVER.jpg

[Creizai]

I agree with you on everything but one thing


You busted your shit because you either:
a) Suck at driving.
b) Cant see shit because of your crappy lights.

[ixfxi]

thatguy> Also, do not refer to members as "son". It is derogatory in nature and uncalled for.

i thought this was the funniest part of the thread.. because ive said a LOT worse than SON. throughout my zilvia posting career.

son isnt derogatory, its slang.. like calling someone "man" -- which is different of course, from calling someone "the man" because that can be taken as calling someone a powerful white man who just happens to control the world.

but when i think of the word son, i think of the wu-tang clan.. "word to god son, he just got bust in his head with all types of crazy blood comin out son!#@!$"

haha

[SochBAT]

"LEARN HOW TO CAPITALIZE THE FIRST LETTER OF A SENTENCE!"

:keke:

I love you. Don't ban me.

After reading this thread, i'm going to go with the Cibie setup.

Its a professional recommendation. If you go otherwise, you are just half-assing things.

+1 for Mike
+2 for ThatBARRY

[ThatGuy]

I never claimed I could spell. :-/

Fixed it. Positive Rep for politely pointing out my mistake. :bow:

[xkamikazestormx]

:keke:

I love you. Don't ban me.

After reading this thread, i'm going to go with the Cibie setup.

Its a professional recommendation. If you go otherwise, you are just half-assing things.

+1 for Mike
+2 for ThatBARRY

i got the cibies from mike maybe a year or 2 ago. i dont even think he remembers me lol. if you want pictures i can take them for you, but i wont be able to get them until the wkend.

[ixfxi]

Yeah I remember you. You're that guy that bought some Cibie headlamps from me, about a year or 2 ago. Whats up... MAN?

:-)

[SochBAT]

I think you should post up pics for the advancement of everyone's lighting opinions.

PICS UP NOW!!

[xkamikazestormx]

Yeah I remember you. You're that guy that bought some Cibie headlamps from me, about a year or 2 ago. Whats up... MAN?

:-)

whats up man. i was wondering whats the latest thing youve done?

I think you should post up pics for the advancement of everyone's lighting opinions.

PICS UP NOW!!

hold on, i wont be able to do it until the wkend (earliest)

[TurbLu]

Yea pics of the cibie's lighting ouput at night. PLease list which bulbs you are using....

[waynehead05]

Acura MDX projectors, in a Ebay clear conversion, with home depot 5 bux each shrouds. i can see plenty good. (Audi A6 hid)

soon so be tsx projectors in the same conversion. (hello daytime)

BTW this is an old pic.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/waynehead05/240-1.jpg

[articdragon192]

Props on the work, but IMO it looks ugly.

[drew935]

yeah I bet it shines good at night but it looks like it has eyes now in the day :keke:. But I'm assuming that you have the popups down at day . So there should be no worries. :D

[A Spec Products]

yeah, looks like johny 5 (not zilvia's johny 5) from short circuit

probably is okay at night

i wouldve made it sleepy eye with that projector and a smaller fog next to it or something, or just left it as it stock

and yes, "son" is not a degatory word

WU TANG FOREVER god!

[xilicon]

http://www.jeffbots.com/shortcircuit6.jpg
hah

[waynehead05]

yea it lights up the road really well. ^ why would i leave it stock? stock lights are almost scary. and space is very limited btw.

[zugoi]

I have hella h4 conversion with hids and i think they are way better then stock. Im not stayin they are the best but they give out better light output then some of the cars i pull up next to with hids. I mean they light up the ground and all the road markings and the light shines farther down the road then my halogens did. Ixfxi why dont you post up some pictures of the cibies in action. Also with my hids i still have my highbeams. Im not sure what highbeams mean in your book but when i turn on my highbeams my lights aim up. For this setup i paid a total of $130. Well i got the h4 conversion from my friend and i got the hids when i was in china haha. You may think that since that are from china they are knockoffs but they work. My uncle in china who owns a shop works on bmws,benz, and highend cars told me that the hids or whatever "knock-off" car part you buy in china is the same shit you buy in america. Its just when they send the product over they rebadge the merchandise and change the package. I mean i believe him because my hids are better/equal then most f1spec pilot phillips etc hids my friends are rocking.
I'll post pictures of the lightoutput when i get a chance.

[ixfxi]

Zugoi...

do you have high beams? No, you dont. Is your setup legal? No, its not.
Your high-beams are not proper high beams, they just shift the light pattern.. they dont have a true, useable low or high beam pattern.

You have a rebased H4 HID kit. I wouldnt run that setup on any of my personal cars, too much glare and has a flawed lighting pattern.

As for whether or not its made in China, technically.. I could careless where its made. However, it just HAPPENS to be that the majority of low-qual knockoff parts just happen to be made in China. None of the major lighting companies are in China, and so I avoid these products.

Stick with the big names, not PIAA.. but companies like Osram, Cibie, and Hella. Atleast most of the products they sell are quality.

Not to be a jerk, but your uncle isnt exactly on-point. Philips HID capsules are not made in China, they are made in Germany. Nothing gets rebadged, he probably just said that to make you feel better.

I'll have an article put online soon about the different lighting patterns and such.. expect to see something online before the end of the year.

Mike / ClearCorners.Com

[ixfxi]

Acura MDX projectors, in a Ebay clear conversion, with home depot 5 bux each shrouds. i can see plenty good. (Audi A6 hid)

soon so be tsx projectors in the same conversion. (hello daytime)

BTW this is an old pic.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/waynehead05/240-1.jpg

You do realize that makes your car look ugly, right? I am sure you dont care, with stock wheels and all. ;-)

Honestly, not that I care that you run stock wheels.. stock wheels are fine.. but why spend so much time and money on that headlamp setup, when you can get some Cibie headlamps that have working low/high beams, and have money left over for better wheels/tires?

Its like some of these AE86 people, they run shitty RHD Trueno headlamps and then, to further compound the fuckup.. they install HID! HID, in an ancient car with ancient halogen headlamps, and their cars are falling apart because they dont maintain them.

Serious, it seems like nowadays HID is just another cool thing to add to your car. Spending $300 (or less, agh) on H-I-D doesnt make your car modern, doesnt make your lights compare with other OEM HID setups.. it just looks messed up.

Research and spend money wisely.

[bardabe]

You do realize that makes your car look ugly, right? I am sure you dont care, with stock wheels and all. ;-)

Honestly, not that I care that you run stock wheels.. stock wheels are fine.. but why spend so much time and money on that headlamp setup, when you can get some Cibie headlamps that have working low/high beams, and have money left over for better wheels/tires?

Its like some of these AE86 people, they run shitty RHD Trueno headlamps and then, to further compound the fuckup.. they install HID! HID, in an ancient car with ancient halogen headlamps, and their cars are falling apart because they dont maintain them.

Serious, it seems like nowadays HID is just another cool thing to add to your car. Spending $300 (or less, agh) on H-I-D doesnt make your car modern, doesnt make your lights compare with other OEM HID setups.. it just looks messed up.

Research and spend money wisely.
in your opinion :mrmeph:

[waynehead05]

You do realize that makes your car look ugly, right? I am sure you dont care, with stock wheels and all. ;-)

Honestly, not that I care that you run stock wheels.. stock wheels are fine.. but why spend so much time and money on that headlamp setup, when you can get some Cibie headlamps that have working low/high beams, and have money left over for better wheels/tires?

Its like some of these AE86 people, they run shitty RHD Trueno headlamps and then, to further compound the fuckup.. they install HID! HID, in an ancient car with ancient halogen headlamps, and their cars are falling apart because they dont maintain them.

Serious, it seems like nowadays HID is just another cool thing to add to your car. Spending $300 (or less, agh) on H-I-D doesnt make your car modern, doesnt make your lights compare with other OEM HID setups.. it just looks messed up.

Research and spend money wisely.


yea you most have missed the part where i said that's an old pic. car has changed. for one i'm 5 lug so no there are no stock wheels on it and 2... how do you think you know how much that cost me? i MADE them.

listen... i've been a member of hidforum and hidplanet since they started... i'm not one to just throw a kit in some halogen headlights and call it ok. not only do my headlights fully light up the road, but the don't glare anymore than oem hid. yet you seem to think i don't have good taste. All this talk about h4 headlamps and trueno lights... i honestly don't care. i'm not blinding anyone, and they are 100% funtional and OEM quality.

what gives?

[P4rD0nM3]

Gawd this is why I bother reading threads when I got the time. Damn...just lovin' the way people talk to each other here. I never get this on my other car's forum. One is full of 'how to detail my car' and the other one is 'Is discount tire the best place to buy rims?'....damn. Just love Zilvia.Net. Hooray.

I know, I got nothing to contribute on this thread...but damn! Some zilvia users are just funny as hell...some are critical and/or sensitive. w00t. And then there's a user who just can't admit that he had just been SHUT DOWN! Sit right there....this should be in the archives titled NUB PWNAGE.

[ixfxi]

bardabe> in your opinion ASSHOLE

Yes, thanks for reminding me its my opinion. I am sure everyone was confused after seeing IXFXI at the left of the screen.


waynehead05> yea you most have missed the part where i said that's an old pic. car has changed. for one i'm 5 lug so no there are no stock wheels on it and 2... how do you think you know how much that cost me? i MADE them.

listen... i've been a member of hidforum and hidplanet since they started... i'm not one to just throw a kit in some halogen headlights and call it ok. not only do my headlights fully light up the road, but the don't glare anymore than oem hid. yet you seem to think i don't have good taste. All this talk about h4 headlamps and trueno lights... i honestly don't care. i'm not blinding anyone, and they are 100% funtional and OEM quality.

what gives?


Its nothing personal at all. Its just my opinion that I dont like the look. Why is it that everyone always gets butt-hurt when they post pics of their car on the web? Here is how it works:

A) You post pics.
B) We, critique. You dont have to ask, we just do it. And, with criticism, you get good and bad responses.

Now maybe, just maybe its me.. but I think that looks pieced together and cheap. You dont agree? Do you think it looks nice? Or, atleast be honest, and just say you dont care. If you dont care, and just care about performance.. then thats fine.. atleast your being honest.

Now, as for price.. parts still cost money. Lets say you got it all for free -- cool! But for everyone else, those parts arent free and you'll still have to spend some money on them. THEN, the fucking huge amount of time in doing the conversion, and actually doing what you didnt - making them look like they belong on the car. Perfecting a project like yours takes time and money, and obviously you finished early and said "its good enough." That doesnt mean that the above is a good, cost effective, clean solution for everyone here.

Then of course, you have the simple solution.. a pair of Cibie headlamps, Bosch, Hella.. shit.. anything thats better than the damn sealed beams. I mean, I obviously praise the Cibie lamps.. but there are of course, others to chose from. Combine this setup with some higher quality bulbs (or competition bulbs with relay harness) and you have a setup that performs good and actually looks like it should be on the car.

Its a car man, its not your child.

[Neejay]

ixfxi, What do you think about Hella H4 lamps + Sylvania Silverstars?

Right now I have shit ebay clear housings + sylvania silverstars. Glare like a mofo, and no kind of beam what-so-ever.

I just found someone who are selling me the Hella H4 housings for $30 shipped.

[derux]

..., and obviously you finished early and said "its good enough."



mike, you are killing me son

[waynehead05]

bardabe> in your opinion ASSHOLE

Yes, thanks for reminding me its my opinion. I am sure everyone was confused after seeing IXFXI at the left of the screen.


waynehead05> yea you most have missed the part where i said that's an old pic. car has changed. for one i'm 5 lug so no there are no stock wheels on it and 2... how do you think you know how much that cost me? i MADE them.

listen... i've been a member of hidforum and hidplanet since they started... i'm not one to just throw a kit in some halogen headlights and call it ok. not only do my headlights fully light up the road, but the don't glare anymore than oem hid. yet you seem to think i don't have good taste. All this talk about h4 headlamps and trueno lights... i honestly don't care. i'm not blinding anyone, and they are 100% funtional and OEM quality.

what gives?


Its nothing personal at all. Its just my opinion that I dont like the look. Why is it that everyone always gets butt-hurt when they post pics of their car on the web? Here is how it works:

A) You post pics.
B) We, critique. You dont have to ask, we just do it. And, with criticism, you get good and bad responses.

Now maybe, just maybe its me.. but I think that looks pieced together and cheap. You dont agree? Do you think it looks nice? Or, atleast be honest, and just say you dont care. If you dont care, and just care about performance.. then thats fine.. atleast your being honest.

Now, as for price.. parts still cost money. Lets say you got it all for free -- cool! But for everyone else, those parts arent free and you'll still have to spend some money on them. THEN, the fucking huge amount of time in doing the conversion, and actually doing what you didnt - making them look like they belong on the car. Perfecting a project like yours takes time and money, and obviously you finished early and said "its good enough." That doesnt mean that the above is a good, cost effective, clean solution for everyone here.

Then of course, you have the simple solution.. a pair of Cibie headlamps, Bosch, Hella.. shit.. anything thats better than the damn sealed beams. I mean, I obviously praise the Cibie lamps.. but there are of course, others to chose from. Combine this setup with some higher quality bulbs (or competition bulbs with relay harness) and you have a setup that performs good and actually looks like it should be on the car.

Its a car man, its not your child.

it just amazes me how the one thread on here that i have ever posted pics in is about lighting and you criticise wheels. i had already stated that this was an old pic. car does not look the same. but i tend to do most things for performance... but in this case no i didn't just say that's good enough. i realised... know what... space is damn near non existant in these headlights and i don't with to use hella 90 mm units... so i'llput some shrouds on it and call it finished.


and my ass doesn't hurt

[derux]

Don't worry about it. I have bought stuff from mike at clearcorners and he made fun of my stock se wheels for ever.

[waynehead05]

but there aren't any stock se's on the car. z32 tt wheels with 25mm spacers. no more sunk my battleship offsett.

[drift freaq]

but there aren't any stock se's on the car. z32 tt wheels with 25mm spacers. no more sunk my battleship offsett.
Which are ugly wheels in my opinion to go along with your ugly lighting setup. There, happy now. I criticized your ugly ass wheels and your ugly ass lighting setup.
Face it, what mike said is right. You post your shit here its going to get opinions positive and negative.
Get over it, I like S15 front ends, Mike doesn't . Do I get all butt hurt if sometime when we are hanging out he rips on it? No. Why because its his fucking damn opinion.
I posted an opinion of a car a guy posted in another thread and the fucktard neg repped me for it. Damn you guys have some growing up to do.
Getting butt hurt and neg repping people for opinions is fucking junior high school or immature high school at best.
Ya I am going on a rant. Why? because their is a difference between debate over different ideas and just shear reaction from criticism or opinions.
When you can offer a critical debateable reason for your lighting setup being better than you have a debate and time for comment. Though for Mike to respond that he thinks its ugly and then give factual reasons on top of why it sucks as well. Well you have been owned and hard.
All you seem to do is be able to react to the opinion though. YOu have not offered much in the way of factual evidence of why your setup is better or works and therefor a viable way to go.
I suggest you humbly admit he might have a point and accept it. Of course we all know, you won't do that, your ego will not let you.

[CKAMC]

Mike,

Hey man I am the guy from the nissan dealer a while back that called you.

got any pics of those triple projectors that you were working on? Do you do the clear covers with them or that extra?

Mike made fun of me cuz I like brick style... but he made his point tho...they are old technology but they look sexy as hell.

I think I got won over the other day by dual projectors... would you touch those mike or they still not good enough for you like triple projec's?

-Chris

[waynehead05]

nah it has nothing to do about ego. i was just trying to share a new idea. most people don't like to touch wiring or much custom stuff. i was just putting out there that it's not hard. just takes some planning.

i don't have an ego... just would love to stay on topic. you gotta admit that hid's are going to light up the road better than stock pop ups... even if it was just some kit in halogen headlights. some on now... you know my headlights light up the road better than stock. it's just some custom work i thought i'd share.

[smelly240]

hid retrofitting is not a new idea... I'll give u a BFH and some gas and a match. Take johnny5 out back and EFFING DISASSEMBLE!

just playin man - i dont have to like it - but i can respect that u cut up a set of housings and put the projectors in them. but i still say kill the johnny5 look. either that - or get him a laser or a toolbox (shortcircuit2)

[Bushido]

waynehead05 - were you able to retain the ability to flip up/down your headlights or do the projectors take up too much space to make this possible?

[upSLIDEdown]

I'm gonna go ahead and jump in here for a quick sec. I've been around here probably as long as Mike has, so I've seen a lot of his posts. I have a lot of respect for his opinion on lighting, because, well, let's face it; that's what he does. He knows his business. In my line of work (sales), I absolutely HATE it when people have NO IDEA what they are selling, and don't bother to try to learn it. So I have a lot of respect for someone who knows their business as much as I know mine, and I can tell, Mike definitely knows lighting.

As far as waynes popups go, I agree, I don't think they look the best, definitely not as good as Mike's low rise setup, but I would almost put money on the line that they put out as much useable light (esp once he gets the better projectors in there). It's an OEM projector retrofitted into a housing with nothing but a flat, completely clear panel in front of it. No angles, no lines for a beam pattern, nothing. As long as it's aimed correctly, which I'm sure it is, it probably puts out great light. I'm not sure about that projector, so I don't know if it's bi-xenon or not, so he may be lacking a hi beam (which would suck). I had at one point, thought about doing what he did with a OEM bi-xenon projector, but never did. I'm still deciding on something better looking with great light output. Knowing that he's been on HIDplanet for a long time also gives him a few more points in my book. Most of the people over there know their shit (at least a lot of the older members), and they do retros to get OEM HID lighting out of most any different headlamp unit.

Short story, not great looking, but for function over form, I bet the lighting kicks ass. Props from me for something functional.

[ixfxi]

neejay> I just found someone who are selling me the Hella H4 housings for $30 shipped.

Sounds like the price has your attention. As I said, Hella, Bosch.. both are a billion times better than stock. As far as lighting pattern and build quality, the Cibies are the best. Just depends what you want to spend money on.


wayne> it just amazes me how the one thread on here that i have ever posted pics in is about lighting and you criticise wheels.

I mentioned wheels because I noticed that before doing wheels & tires, which I think are one of the most important and fundamental of mods, you went ahead and tackled some HID project. If more light is what you wanted, you could have done something much cheaper (like glass headlamps and competition bulbs, plus a wiring harness).. all of which would result in very high power setup without the expense and complication of HID.

As I said, even if you got them for free.. other people on this forum wont find these parts for free. Not sure if your lamps are bixenon, but I dont think they are.. which means now you have no high beam. And then the looks...


derux> Don't worry about it. I have bought stuff from mike at clearcorners and he made fun of my stock se wheels for ever.

some things just gotta go. now there's nothing wrong with stock wheels, if they are good looking and light! carrera's usually come with nice wheels, so does the FD rx-7. I rocked FD wheels for a long while. Nowadays, FN01RC = stock wheels.. :-)


dave> Which are ugly wheels in my opinion to go along with your ugly lighting setup. Get over it, I like S15 front ends, Mike doesn't . Do I get all butt hurt if sometime when we are hanging out he rips on it?

haha yeah, Z32 wheels were never on the top list of favorite wheels. atleast on a stock Z they look.. natural. but once you modify a Z32, they need go.. QUICK. I havent seen many other cars they look good on though.

I dont mind the S15 front end, what I mind is the shitty fiberglass body parts that people use with the upgrades. I am a fan of urethane and metal, not fiberglass.. thats all. I wont take looks over performance, they must be equal (or close). Not to mention, S15 lights require modification (like all RHD lamps) in order to be useable on US roads. I think its stupid using RHD lamps in the US, regardless of how cool they look. You better throw down some money, time, or both in order to make your lamps compliant.


chris> Mike made fun of me cuz I like brick style... but he made his point tho...they are old technology but they look sexy as hell. I think I got won over the other day by dual projectors... would you touch those mike or they still not good enough for you like triple projec's?

The original S13 Silvia headlamps are useless. I could careless how sexy they are. Lets see how sexy they are when you fly off a mountain road because you cant see the "dead end" sign.

Double or triple projectors have potential for projector retrofitting, period. I believe triple projectors are NLA, so if you can buy double projectors new.. do it. They will be useful for buildup.

[CKAMC]

[

chris> Mike made fun of me cuz I like brick style... but he made his point tho...they are old technology but they look sexy as hell. I think I got won over the other day by dual projectors... would you touch those mike or they still not good enough for you like triple projec's?

The original S13 Silvia headlamps are useless. I could careless how sexy they are. Lets see how sexy they are when you fly off a mountain road because you cant see the "dead end" sign.

Double or triple projectors have potential for projector retrofitting, period. I believe triple projectors are NLA, so if you can buy double projectors new.. do it. They will be useful for buildup.

Mike,

You removed the post pics part :D Come on now :D .

Yeah I might get some duals soon so once I do I will send them to you... and I do remember your policy... thats why I will hit up my hookup to get what you want... make the overall cost go down a bit since you likely buy the lamps new at retail.

-Chris

[kaotic]

Its cool to see the special olympics still going strong..

[zugoi]

Hey ixfxi will you send me a pair of cibies to try out?? :)

[waynehead05]

I'm gonna go ahead and jump in here for a quick sec. I've been around here probably as long as Mike has, so I've seen a lot of his posts. I have a lot of respect for his opinion on lighting, because, well, let's face it; that's what he does. He knows his business. In my line of work (sales), I absolutely HATE it when people have NO IDEA what they are selling, and don't bother to try to learn it. So I have a lot of respect for someone who knows their business as much as I know mine, and I can tell, Mike definitely knows lighting.

As far as waynes popups go, I agree, I don't think they look the best, definitely not as good as Mike's low rise setup, but I would almost put money on the line that they put out as much useable light (esp once he gets the better projectors in there). It's an OEM projector retrofitted into a housing with nothing but a flat, completely clear panel in front of it. No angles, no lines for a beam pattern, nothing. As long as it's aimed correctly, which I'm sure it is, it probably puts out great light. I'm not sure about that projector, so I don't know if it's bi-xenon or not, so he may be lacking a hi beam (which would suck). I had at one point, thought about doing what he did with a OEM bi-xenon projector, but never did. I'm still deciding on something better looking with great light output. Knowing that he's been on HIDplanet for a long time also gives him a few more points in my book. Most of the people over there know their shit (at least a lot of the older members), and they do retros to get OEM HID lighting out of most any different headlamp unit.

Short story, not great looking, but for function over form, I bet the lighting kicks ass. Props from me for something functional.



:cool: i'm sure if you tried another retro project you'd like the outcome. just takes a lot of planning... and just a little hands on.

hardest part is making everyone else say...

"know what... that look alright... in fact i kinda like that. where'd you buy that from"

doesn't hurt to give it a shot.

[kaotic]

lmao @ all the ignorant creampuffs who gave me negative reps for this thread..

edit: hahahahaha... and more tarts show their support..

[bardabe]

Ok so I get neg rep for posting my opinion well here is something for u fart knockers :fawk: :fawk: :fawk: :fawk: :fawk: :fawk: :fawk: :fawk: :fawk:

[civilized_drifter]

are there any good bulbs (brighter/hid/etc..) for s13 brick head lights?

[EchoOfSilence]

what you need to try to do is upgrade the housing itself, it yields more benefit

[drew935]

ok now that we have so many pages of what to use etc. How about we talk about wiring up the HIDs. Are we/ should we run a new relay system or just use the stock? I'm not sure how good the stock wiring will hold up? I think that my relay for the system is bad on the right headlight (my fault) as it's blowing that fuse now. What size fuse amp should be used coming from the battery? 15 or 30amp? Or just replace the stock relays and use the same wiring>? I'm looking at the wiring diagram and it's not complicated at all.

Mike you should be able to answer this in one post...

[ThatGuy]

Mike has already stated that it is a good idea to upgrade your harnesses, from stock to relayed. Even if it's just to run better halogen bulbs. I'd imagine he will say the same thing about HID's.

[kandyflip445]

I remember with my HID retro it replace the 15A fuses with 20A fuses for each headlight. If you would run a upgraded harness for the stock halogens then you would definately want to run one with HID's.

[ixfxi]

Lets say we're not talking about lights, say we're talking about stereos.

You installed some nice (insert brand here) speakers into your car. Will you run stock wiring, or will you install different wires?

Now, I wont mention companies that sell fancy cable.. like (too late) Monster Cable, because thats a bunch of bullshit. Doesnt matter if its a higher wattage stereos or if its a higher wattage bulb, the more current you draw the heavier gauge you will require. While there are different qualities of wire, we're not going to get into that, the point here is that you need thicker gauge wiring.

Stock wiring is sufficient for stock wattage halogen bulbs. However, S13 has no OEM relay.. it goes through the combination switch. I've never torn apart an S14, it may or may not have a relay.. but who cares? Use your own, unless you feel like tearing through your OEM harness and running heavier leads.. big waste of time, for the most part, unless its a collectors car or something you are dumping tons of time and money into.


If you would run a upgraded harness for the stock halogens then you would definately want to run one with HID's.

HID only draws more during startup. A pair of ballasts can consume near 30 amps, then drop to about 6 when warmed up. Again, a pair of 55w halogen bulbs consume ~8-10 amps per pair.

[drew935]

Alright got it. Now how big of a fuse do I need for the HIDs? I'll use a pair of bosch relays and a couple of 20amp fuses for it. Sufficient?

[ixfxi]

are there any good bulbs (brighter/hid/etc..) for s13 brick head lights?

do you read, or are you just this dull?

your headlamps are for use in JAPAN, that means they emit a RHD lighting pattern - increasing light output will also increase just how offensive your lights are to oncomming traffic.

get some LHD headlamps - period.

[wyteboichris]

so wait, im still kind of confused.

I have the silvia triple projectors and i was looking into doing an HID conv. for my low beams.

but then i hear that they are RHD headlamps and i should get LHD headlamps, can someone please explain what is the difference?

[drew935]

but then i hear that they are RHD headlamps and i should get LHD headlamps, can someone please explain what is the difference?

Did you actually hear yourself type this out>? You live in LA and don't know the difference? Just think for a second. We live in USA and not in Japan. We use lhd headlights hence we drive on the left side of the car and not the right. Were you assuming something else because I'm sure you have more intelligence thatn what you posted. OR maybe I'm wrong to assume that about you. :faint:

[wyteboichris]

ok smart ass. i underfucking stand that we drive on left and they drive on the right, so what?

would that mean their lights are aimed more right or just not as bright? thats what im asking here. if so, i could always just re-aim the projectors.

and if that was the case then whats wrong with just gettin H1 bulbs wit ballasts/ 8oook?

[SoSideways]

LHD light pattern = __/ __/ (flares to the right)

RHD light pattern = \__ \__ (flares to the left)


So just put yourself in someone else's shoes, and they're driving their pimped out, mack daddy S13 with Silvia headlight conversions on them, and has a mack daddy light output cause it's got 4300k HIDs on them and it's dark as hell out and you can't see a damn thing in your car as is.

Here comes the Silvia and look, their HID lights flare up and blinds you with 4300k beams right in your eyes. After he goes by and your eyes recover you find yourself halfway in the middle of a 4300 ft dive into the green earth beneth you.

Then you realized that it was just a dream, but someone out there will get owned by RHD headlights and here is your chance to make up your mind to either be:

A) the asshole who experienced the plunge of death and still don't think of others and keeps the RHD headlights, or
B) realizes that RHD headlights in the US where all the cars (minus the Skyline guys or the Postal workers) have LHD configuration and drive on the right side of the road, and would be dangerous on the roads and so you decide to change your lights out for LHD lights.

Which one will you be?

[wyteboichris]

first off- i seriously dont understand what all the tension is about but whatever.

Thank you, what you said about how the light is projected is all i needed to know.

Now, is it possible to, like i said, just adjust the projectors with the adjustment screws and aim them more right or would that still be blinding oncoming traffic.

and for LHD light patterns..what would i need to swap mine out for them? LHD projectors or the whole headlight itself? idk?


Thanks. -Chris

[SoSideways]

My post wasn't directed at you directly wyteboichris, it was a post in general for the people that have a blatant disregard for other motorists' safety by not modifying their RHD headlights to work on LHD roads.

[Bushido]

saw this on another forum:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1193/dsc029113rv.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5709/dsc029320hq.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8580/dsc029385mg.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5514/dsc029420al.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9776/dsc029466vk.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5927/dsc029472gs.jpg

color modded Tsx projectors, nice setup.

[SoSideways]

^^^ Looks badass when the lights are on, but when they're off... that giant square light housing doesnt look very sexy at all....

[drew935]

I wouldn't mind doing something like that. Btw, it may look a lil weird but my flipups are down during the day unless I have my headlights...not sure why you would drive with them up and your headlights off during the day. Just keep them down when the headlights aren't in use :D

[SoSideways]

Some people's flip ups are welded into the "up" position permanently, while others do a sleepy eye thing.

I've been caught doing the sleepy eye lights here and there, but mostly they're down during the day and when the lights are up they're being used.

[derux]

Now, is it possible to, like i said, just adjust the projectors with the adjustment screws and aim them more right or would that still be blinding oncoming traffic.
and for LHD light patterns..what would i need to swap mine out for them? LHD projectors or the whole headlight itself? idk?

Thanks. -Chris

There is no way to adjust the cut off out of the light with the screws. You can take the silvia headlamp apart and change the shield. I have dont this and it takes a lot of time and welding aluminium. You could how ever buy a set of DOT legal silvia dual projectors from me. they have the correct cut off and put out more light. I posted a link a few pages back with photos of them.

[Bushido]

problem with that retrofit above is, he cant flip the lights down because the projector is too long, it's a tight fit, but with a shorter projector you can retain the flip down function. i don't think they are that ugly as long as theres a shroud around the base of the projector, these look better than some of the other 6x7 retrofits ive seen

[Neejay]

I wouldn't mind doing something like that. Btw, it may look a lil weird but my flipups are down during the day unless I have my headlights...not sure why you would drive with them up and your headlights off during the day. Just keep them down when the headlights aren't in use :D
Yeah, I don't really care how the projectors look, because the only time mine will be up are when then headlights are on. Especially since those have a LHD cut-off...hmm...

I think I've seen those projectors on ebay, but they costed a shitload (well, more than I'd be willing to pay at the time being).

[gonzoes14k]

These may help, mabe these with a h4 retrofit, and hid. mid have something going here.

https://www.casperselectronics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=103016&Category_Code

[ThatGuy]

Mike has already talked about the "Casper Shields". In fact he has it listed on his website as to why they are just "patch-fixes".

http://www.clearcorners.com/services/

Read, learn. :bow:

[Neejay]

I got my Hella H4 housings installed (bought used for $30!)...

And after using them at night, I think I'd have to stand by Mike for the "quality H4 housings + quality bulb". I drove up to a garage, and I have the perfect __/ __/ cut-off with no glare, whereas when I had those ebay garbage specials, it was just like 2 big clouds (glare) when facing a garage. I have the Sylvania Silverstars.

Hella H4 housings + Sylvania Silverstars = FTW.

[TurbLu]

So all these pages and pages of info and yet still no pictures of how Cibies compare to atleast the stock headlamp setups?

[ixfxi]

Seriously, what do you need? Its like asking ACT to post a test comparing stock clutch and their street clutch. Or, RS*R to compare their GTII exhaust to a stock S13 muffler. OR, a black man to compare his penis to a weak, frail, 90-year old penis.

Its quite obvious that the factory lamps, the sealed beams, are CRAP. Companies such as Hella, Bosch, and Cibie have all created high performance solutions. Cost and performance of each of the aformentioned mfg's vary, but we sell what we think is best performance for the dollar.

If you still need a comparison, you can swing by our office and we'll show you. :-)

[S13_OneVia]

These aren't on an S13 but there cibie housings, bulbs idk?

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/482/cibie1qn4.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9223/cibie4ba7.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5483/d600rp3.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8059/cibie6gh5.jpg

[SoSideways]

^^ looks good!

[KA-T_240]

Yes, we know that the stockers are crap. People want pics of the product and what it doesn before they spend money on something. Mostly because people are scared to drop $130+ on housings and lights when there is the ebay option around the corner.

and i would love to swing by your office for a "comparison" but im not driving to cali to do it. like alot of people were not all from that area.

[SoSideways]

Yes, we know that the stockers are crap. People want pics of the product and what it doesn before they spend money on something. Mostly because people are scared to drop $130+ on housings and lights when there is the ebay option around the corner.

and i would love to swing by your office for a "comparison" but im not driving to cali to do it. like alot of people were not all from that area.

Yeah but anything's better than stock sealed beams.

Just depends on how much light you want on the road, and how much of an ass clown you want to be (you're an ass clown if you don't think of other motorists on the road and just think about how much light output you have while blinding others).

And no I did not direct that comment above towards you, it was a general statement.

[KA-T_240]

I know anything is better then stock. Im looking for the best/most light possible that isnt going to get me in trouble and be an asshole to people.

I fully understood what you were saying.

[ixfxi]

Yes, we know that the stockers are crap. People want pics of the product and what it doesn before they spend money on something. Mostly because people are scared to drop $130+ on housings and lights when there is the ebay option around the corner.

and i would love to swing by your office for a "comparison" but im not driving to cali to do it. like alot of people were not all from that area.

So, people are scared to pay $130 on GOOD headlamps but are quick to sell out $300 on a cheap HID retrofit kit?

Or, people are scared to pay $130 but will put $30 + shipping on cheap ebay stuff?

I mean honestly, it should be a no-brainer here. $130 is a drop in the bucket for most people. And, even if you work REAL hard to earn $130, people still pay $40-60 on junk pep-boys bulbs! Last I saw at Pep Boys, APC sold blue bulbs for 50 dollars - THATS A JOKE.

[CKAMC]

Mike,

They do it because they find the HID kit to be a Deal and this if it doesnt work out right that they can bitch and wine there way to getting there money back or slam them on the net.

then they are hesitant to put 130 into good sealed lamps because they cant believe some "stupid large square" lamps are as good as some tiny jacked up installed projectors/projector bulbs.

on a side note... raybrig lamps also as good as cibie/hella/bosch?

[zugoi]

Wow those cibies do look really good. Looks like the same output as some hids i've seen out there.

[NervGS]

then they are hesitant to put 130 into good sealed lamps because they cant believe some "stupid large square" lamps are as good as some tiny jacked up installed projectors/projector bulbs.

I think most people that buy these cheap kits want something that they can show off to other people, and some that shows a result. Unlike a nice lighting setup that really no one will notice other than the driver/owner of the car, that gives a stock appearance (read: no fancy blue/white bulbs) but is actually much better.

"Hey yo Jae man, why you get those H4 replacements when you can get the HID retrofit kits from Fernando Yamashiro for few more bucks man...?"

-glenn

[McRussellPants]

You can't get Cibie with Halos.


so fuck that.

[axiomatik]

Here's some pics comparing the Hella E-code H4 conversions and stock sealed-beams. I'm just cross-posting this from a recent thread to help consolidate info.

In these pictures, I have replaced the passenger side headlight with the new Hella E-code lamp. The driver's-side headlight is still the old sealed-beam unit (Wagner brand). You can't really see the difference in the amount of light that actually falls on the road, due to a parking lot light directly over the car, but I assure you the difference is huge.

Sealed-beam unit only:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/nbrindley/240SX/Lighting006.jpg

Hella E-code unit only:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/nbrindley/240SX/Lighting008.jpg

Both:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/nbrindley/240SX/Lighting007.jpg

A little bit closer:
Sealed-beam only:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/nbrindley/240SX/Lighting016.jpg

Hella only:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/nbrindley/240SX/Lighting015.jpg

Both:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/nbrindley/240SX/Lighting014.jpg


As you can see, there is practically no difference between the Hella by itself and both headlights on. The Hella units are literally orders of magnitude better than the old sealed-beam units. Before, most of the time i couldn't even tell if my headlights were on, now the street is flooded with light, and the nice sharp cutoff keeps glare to a minimum.

[M4Rl0N]

i'D just stick with the Sleepy Eyes!
never let you down...:)

[Maximamike]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5927/dsc029472gs.jpg

color modded Tsx projectors, nice setup.

Since it's already been brought back from the dead, do you have the link to this post?

[ScottMan]

^Here you go: http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18619&sid=642f3e8881092b0ab9110669374d2d9b

[KA-T_240]

^Here you go: http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18619&sid=642f3e8881092b0ab9110669374d2d9b


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[FaLKoN240]

password required, fill us in.

+1, my jaw dropped when I saw that picture.

[Bushido]

thread from hidplanet...
hey wasup, im first time poster and a long time reader.I finally got around to do a retro for my 90 s13.I used Tsx projectors and color modded them and i must say i love them.I didnt really take too many pics of the frabrication becuase honestly i didnt think i could do it.Fittin projectors in the s13 housings is very difficult but i was able to do it with some minor cutting.The only problem i have now is that i lost the function of the flip lights so they staying up for good now. So tell me what u guys think...


http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1193/dsc029113rv.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5709/dsc029320hq.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8580/dsc029385mg.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5514/dsc029420al.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9776/dsc029466vk.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5927/dsc029472gs.jpg

[ScottMan]

Thanks to S30Z Bushido for providing me with that link in the first place a while back.

Also keep in mind that he bought ebay clear housings, but still had to remove the original lens and replace it with a sheet of plexi.

[axiomatik]

and he also cannot lower his headlights because the connector hits something and grinds to a halt.

[Neejay]

Here's a few "garage door" shots with my Hella H4 housings with Sylvania Silverstars. I'll take some more later, with the output on a larger scale and with a better adjustment lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/neejay/hella_silverstars2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/neejay/hella_silverstars1.jpg

[Bushido]

and he also cannot lower his headlights because the connector hits something and grinds to a halt.

with a shallower projector it is possible to retain the flip down function. so basically you have to find something tats shorter than a tsx projector... valeos?

[240trainee]

I was going to post that I would do comparos between stock and my E-codes with Osram Silverstars when they come in, but I guess it's already done, lol.

[AuburnRyan]

^^ Almost ...Osram Silverstars don't have a blue glass coating like their US Sylvania conterpart's.

The Osrams +50% will throw more usable light than the Sylvania silverstars. Their more comparable to the Vision Plus +10% bulbs - more gas for brighter burn, as opposed to colored galss to emit hid-like color.

Now I have the OSRAM +50 and like them jsut fine. I've seem them test at both the top of their class and not so hot in AutoExpress reviews.

[240trainee]

Yea, as far as I understood, the Osrams put out more light, which is why I picked them up. I was just more refering to the fact that the Hella E-codes had already had pics put up.

[zeek]

Is anyone using an aftermarket harness and actually using the 20mm lights offered by mike at clear corners with competition lenses? I would like to see pics of that.

[delphis]

which silverstars would I use in conjunction with the hella conversion kit? I need to know so when I order the kit i can order the silverstars at the same time.

thanks

[drew935]

That would be H4 bulbs for the housings...

[Neejay]

That would be H4 bulbs for the housings...
Yep. You'd use the Hella H4 conversion housings (hence, why you'd use H4 bulbs :) )

[sldbyuramg]

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j281/casman86/sexiestwheelsEVER.jpg
this cars light setup is sick. well this car in general is sick. off topic a little but what rims are those?

[bejota180sx]

how about retrofitting s2000 lights, are they better for a retrofit than the tsx projectors? i have a few pairs of the crappy ebay projector lights someone gave me and if i could find the s2000 projectors id be happy to try it out... and tell everyone the results or with any other projectors that you people think are better...

[unicoladron]

bejota,
there's a thread on here about retrofitting s2000 projectors in s14 kouki headlights.

[bejota180sx]

no but im talking about retrofiting them into popup headlights... i saw that write up and was thinking about them in a popup housing...

[supermariokartdrift]

A friend of mine runs some dual beam RAYBRIG fogs and they have good output. The bulbs are high output bulbs, or you could install h3 HID kit to the fogs