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DrtyRat

07-30-2006, 02:04 PM

I'm looking at replacing my coolant line on my s14 sr. I know that taka makes s/s lines for it but was wondering if there were other more affordable options out there. I understand that taka aren't unreasonably (sP?) priced at 170 but is there a comprable quality line that I can get for a better price? Has anyone had them custom made and how much did it cost? thanks

Slidin240Wayz

07-30-2006, 07:11 PM

You can make then yourself for way less than 100 bucks. You just have to research the threading and oil restrictor and a couple of more details.

DrtyRat

07-30-2006, 07:13 PM

You can make then yourself for way less than 100 bucks. You just have to research the threading and oil restrictor and a couple of more details.
Thanks,that's what I figured! Anyone have this info for a s14 t28? Or another pre-made alternative?

Indolent

07-30-2006, 07:25 PM

bonaco inc.
^ should have a site somewhere, i go there locally, but you can order online.

g6civcx

07-31-2006, 09:46 PM

I guarantee you're going to spend more than $180 if this is your first time building turbo lines :)

DrtyRat

07-31-2006, 10:18 PM

I guarantee you're going to spend more than $180 if this is your first time building turbo lines :)
Naw, it wont be me making them. My buddy, who pretty much fabricted his own 3 rotor, full out drag 3rd gen rx7, will be making them. However I have to wait til he gets back into the country on the 10th before anything gets rollin. BTW does anyone know what size I would need for the fittings, perhaps a parts list(s14sr w/stock turbo). I'd like to have everything ready for him when he gets back, so my car doesn't have alot of down time. I might just do the turbo coolant line for now, but depending on the price for the parts, I might buy them all.

g6civcx

08-01-2006, 02:22 PM

I know all the fitting sizes but I won't tell you :D

DrtyRat

08-01-2006, 04:35 PM

I know all the fitting sizes but I won't tell you :D
From point #3 on your sig............................
3. Please be nice to each other.
;)...Hook it up!!!!

bgindn

08-01-2006, 11:26 PM

DrtyRat

08-02-2006, 07:24 AM

fyi

there will be a new set of lines coming out this weekend that will cost half the cost of the current lines. They will use inferior hose and hose end but the same EARLs fittings to cut costs.

harp
Edit: plz post more details when u get a chance, as I'm sure others would be interested in this info. my whole point of asking about alternatives was to get something comprable to the taka lines. However, I don't want to get something just b/c its cheap-know what I mean? your saying they use inferior hoses compared to the taka's, but are the taka's that we're reffering to, overkill for a daily driven s14 sr that will prob never see over 350hp?
p.s. g6civcx don't forget about me....plz

g6civcx

08-02-2006, 07:31 AM

This is me hooking it up: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=102470&highlight=turbo+coolant

Since you have the S14 SR it's so much nicer. You will have an easier time routing your coolant return line.

I have the Taka lines. I consider them to have more reliability than stock. Plus they're so much easier to work with when removing the turbo as the stock lines are not flexible. $200 is not a bad price if it means you won't lose oil or coolant, which could cost you more than $200 to fix.

I highly recommend the Taka lines, especially if you have no experience working with braided lines and don't care to learn.

BTW Harp is a stud. He gives amazing tech support. That alone is worth more than the price you pay.

I am so sick of vendors who don't even want to answer questions about products that they produce in-house. Who the hell else would know other than the people who make them? Plus on-line sales means I can't come in and look at them in person and decide for myself, and even local vendors don't stock most of the items I need.

But back on topic, I highly recommend Taka.

DrtyRat

08-02-2006, 07:53 AM

thanks g6....taka's are still very much in the picture,as a matter of fact I have yet to hear anything(even remotely) bad about taka lines quality. I won't get anything until my buddy gets back in the country. Trust me when I tell you that he knows what he's doing, and like you he's very big on not cutting corners. Who knows, it may cost me more to order the parts and have him make them for me, then to just buy pre-fabbed ones. Even though he's a buddy of mine, it doesn't always mean he's cheap labor. He's very well known in this area (among the rotary heads) for his quality of workmanship, and sometimes that comes w/a price, even w/the buddy "hook-up". I'm gonna show him the taka's online, and then have him give me a price on custom making them for me. Either way he's gonna install them, since this would be a little too advance for me. Don't get me wrong, I love to work on my own car but it's my dd and I can't afford to have it be down for more than a day or two. Thanks again g6...another +1 for u

DrtyRat

08-02-2006, 08:07 AM

One more thing...if I go w/taka should I go w/the set w/the banjo fitting or the stand alone?

ManoNegra

08-02-2006, 10:20 AM

Had taka lines on my old S14 SR, highly recommended for pain free install. My friend just drove his S13 w/ redtop to Earl's in Gardena and had them make the lines for him. Don't remember exactly what he paid but was def. cheaper. That's probably what I'll end up doing one day.

g6civcx

08-02-2006, 10:23 AM

One more thing...if I go w/taka should I go w/the set w/the banjo fitting or the stand alone?

That's really up to you. I prefer the standalone since it's less parts to lose.

95zilvia

08-04-2006, 04:32 AM

So I currently have the T25 set, and now I want to switch to T25 with S14 SR Waterneck.
Just a different fitting at the end of the Coolant return hose right?

Slidin240Wayz

08-04-2006, 05:06 AM

yup different end fitting- I am not sure about the lengths though.

blu808

08-04-2006, 05:07 AM

Yea Jon. But you would have to cap off the s13 sr water line hole out of the block.

g6civcx

08-04-2006, 08:07 AM

So I currently have the T25 set, and now I want to switch to T25 with S14 SR Waterneck.
Just a different fitting at the end of the Coolant return hose right?

Oil inlet/return and coolant inlet are identical on S13/S14 T25/T28 across the board. You can mix and match motor and turbo, and any fittings will work.

The coolant outlet threading is also identical on the T25 and T28.

The only difference is the coolant outlet runs behind the firewall on the S13, and it runs to the waterneck on the S14.

The S14 coolant outlet line is a little shorter than the S13. Other than that you can keep the other lines.

Slidin240Wayz

08-04-2006, 08:21 AM

Oil inlet/return and coolant inlet are identical on S13/S14 T25/T28 across the board. You can mix and match motor and turbo, and any fittings will work.

The coolant outlet threading is also identical on the T25 and T28.

The only difference is the coolant outlet runs behind the firewall on the S13, and it runs to the waterneck on the S14.

The S14 coolant outlet line is a little shorter than the S13. Other than that you can keep the other lines.

ehhh, how is the s13 collant return fitting on the block? Is it threaded or clamped? I know the s14 is threaded into the waterneck and I think the s13 is clamped behind the block.

Someone with an s13 should be able to chime in.

Carlos

g6civcx

08-04-2006, 08:37 AM

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=99886

mrmephistopheles

08-04-2006, 08:44 AM

Edit: plz post more details when u get a chance, as I'm sure others would be interested in this info. my whole point of asking about alternatives was to get something comprable to the taka lines. However, I don't want to get something just b/c its cheap-know what I mean? your saying they use inferior hoses compared to the taka's, but are the taka's that we're reffering to, overkill for a daily driven s14 sr that will prob never see over 350hp?
p.s. g6civcx don't forget about me....plz

Since you clearly don't know, I'll inform you -

bgindn is Harp.
Harp is Taka Motorsports.
bgindn is Taka Motorsports.

He was letting you know that they'll be offering a cheaper version soon, with lines of lesser quality than what's currently offered. Inferior doesn't necessarily mean bad - consider the context.

g6civcx

08-04-2006, 10:11 AM

Harp is God.

95zilvia

08-04-2006, 02:49 PM

Luke, I thought we cut off the "threading on the block" already, wasn't it just that like, metal nipple that extends off the heater hose mumbo jumbo?

So, since I am going to be switching to s14 waterneck, I can just make the s13 coolant return a little shorter, and change to a different fitting?

If you want to cap it off and use the S14+ SR water outlet, use a -6 14X1.5 union adaptor instead of the clamp on hose end. Then you can block off the coolant nipple in the back with a rubber plug, or just run a -6 hose with a clamp on the end, and put a -6 hose end on the other end. Then throw a -6 cap on top of the hose end. Quoted from g6civcx

g6civcx

08-04-2006, 05:57 PM

So, since I am going to be switching to s14 waterneck, I can just make the s13 coolant return a little shorter, and change to a different fitting?

If you could do it, the S13 return line is a -6 clamp-on to the return hose nipple. Slice it off a little bit and run a -6 to 14x1.5 adaptor. That will let you bolt it on to the S14 SR waterneck.

If you want to cap it off and use the S14+ SR water outlet, use a -6 14X1.5 union adaptor instead of the clamp on hose end. Then you can block off the coolant nipple in the back with a rubber plug, or just run a -6 hose with a clamp on the end, and put a -6 hose end on the other end. Then throw a -6 cap on top of the hose end.

This just tells you an easy way to cap off the S13 return hose nipple. The best way is like you said to slice it off and weld the nipple shut.

The second best way is to slide a hose over the nipple and clamp it shut. You can just use the stock rubber hose, or get a 3/8" ID hose and put a bolt in it and clamp it shut.

http://g6civcx.angryhosting.com/S13/Tech/OldHose2.JPG

Or you can get Harp to fab up a pimp -6 hose with a cap end on it for you, which is what I did.

For what it's worth, I am running without coolant lines to my T25 as per Russ's (R240NA) recommendation. Going on almost a year now and still no problems at all.

http://g6civcx.angryhosting.com/S13/Tech/Cap2.JPG

DrtyRat

08-05-2006, 05:34 AM

Since you clearly don't know, I'll inform you -

bgindn is Harp.
Harp is Taka Motorsports.
bgindn is Taka Motorsports.

He was letting you know that they'll be offering a cheaper version soon, with lines of lesser quality than what's currently offered. Inferior doesn't necessarily mean bad - consider the context.
You clearly missed my point on that post. I wanted him to post about the new product so that others could see it. Its pretty obvious(at least it was to me) that Harp=taka, b/c g6civcx reffered to him several times and he chimed in about coming out w/the cheaper lines....Oh, I see why you posted that. I just reread my post and I mentioned the cheap lines vs. the taka's ,implying that I didn't realize that they were taka's also. I was making that statement in regards to all of the alternatives out there not just the cheaper taka's. You see the thing is, I just don't believe in spending money on name brands when there are sometimes viable alternatives out there that wont cost as much, but I get your point about less price doesnt always mean less quality(in reference to the alternative taka lines coming out).

DrtyRat

08-07-2006, 04:31 PM

g6civcx

08-08-2006, 07:24 AM

I think he's out for the weekend. He didn't respond to me either. He usually does when he gets back in though.

bgindn

08-09-2006, 10:42 AM

hey guys ok am back.

Quick update, responded to all emails. :)

Joe - regarding the new lines I am going to sell. They will be approximately $85.00 and be made with inferior hose and hose ends. As of now the fittings will still be the same, but in the future I might need to change out those expensive aluminum Earls fittings with cheaper brass ones.

The new lines will come out with the name Taka express lines or something like that to designate a difference between the stainless steel lines.

You can make the lines yourself, G6 has posted all the information you would ever need to make the lines. Hell, he even posted pictures. It does not get better than that. But be ready to have your skin pricked, blood drawn, skin cut and hand dirty. But in the end you might be happier you built them yourself.

hope that helps.

harp

bgindn

08-09-2006, 10:52 AM

redsuns3838

08-10-2006, 03:18 AM

i bought all my turbo lines, front brake, and clutch lines from taka/harp cuz he knows his shit and hes a good seller too.

def wortht he extra $

boosteds13

08-18-2006, 10:43 AM

More info on the "express" kits in case people want to know:

Uses the same Earls 14MM fittings as the braided line kits. Hose is made with high quality rubber hose and uses steel or brass hose ends. Hose temp rating is 250'. The Turbo oil line is the same braided high quality line but uses crimped ends instead of the heavy duty reusable low profile Earls 90 degree fitting and Earls Straight hose end.

A perfect kit for the budget minded individual :)

Pics will be up here and on the website once I take some pics.

harp
Sorry to bring back an old post, but I was wondering-- What is the difference between the S13 SR set for the T25 and the S13 SR set for the GT series? I always thought the fittings themselves were the same on both turbos. Also, does the CA18 use the same oil fitting on the block as the SR?

DrtyRat

08-18-2006, 10:46 AM

Sorry to bring back an old post, but I was wondering-- What is the difference between the S13 SR set for the T25 and the S13 SR set for the GT series? I always thought the fittings themselves were the same on both turbos. Also, does the CA18 use the same oil fitting on the block as the SR?
If noone has the answer I would email harp, he will def. respond. I will be getting these lines tommorow (express lines) and installing them on Sun so expect a few pic of them once I'm done (btw its mine is a s14 sr)

bgindn

08-18-2006, 05:05 PM

Quick answer is the most GT series turbos "might" need restriction. But you are correct, fittings are the same. Unless you have a t3/t4 variant...then whole new set of fittings are needed.

hope that helps.

harp

bgindn

08-18-2006, 05:06 PM

Joe

The lines are being shipped today. You will be the first to get these new econo rubber lines. I hope you get them in time for this weekend, if not please accept my apologies I tried to haul monkeys to get them to you asap.

luck,

harp

bgindn

08-18-2006, 05:11 PM

boosted s13,

also might as well through the info out so people have it...
t3/t4 have 1/4 or 1/8 inlet fitting size for the most part.

t25/t28/gt series turbos have 7/16 fitting.

for s13/s14/s15/ca all oil lines are a foot long. Lastly block fitting is 12mm. Oil drain is easy you can save money and reuse what you got or if you need new fittings hose, etc...phase2motortrend.com has got a nice kit up for sale. By the way that oil drain is not my kit, its a phase2motortrend.com item and it looks good.

hope that helps a few people...

harp

silversr

08-21-2006, 04:57 PM

So did you get the lines on yet?

DrtyRat

08-21-2006, 10:29 PM

So did you get the lines on yet?
Nope, I haven't received them yet. I have to get in contact w/harp about this but I'm not too worried b/c harp is about as good as it gets, when it comes to cust. service. I promise that pics will be up as soon as I get them.