315/35/17s...on a s14?!

[godzillarb]

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Wheels: 5zigen FNO1R-C, 17x9 +15 (front) and 17x10 +12 (rear)
Tires: Sumitomo HTR Z, 255/40/17 (front, not pictured), and 315/35/17 (rear)

Exterior:
Chargespeed 30mm over fenders (front)
Chargespeed 50mm over fenders (rear)

So what do you guys think...am I insane for running 315s on my 240?

[kouki_s14]

drag?
you should get some 18x12 rear for the overfenders
dont use the fnor1-c

but for some reason it doesnt look like 315's, looks more like 275-285

[godzillarb]

drag ?

More or less...I was spinning till 4th gear with my 225s and wanted to put some power down.

[Prok0]

Thats a whole lot of fender for those wheels...
Ive seen 315's under stock rolled fenders.

[nlzmo400r]

im hoping thats for drag. If not you may be fighting understeer with such a huge stagger. How much power are you making? And by the way, maybe you should have tried a stickier compound instead of just getting the biggest tire you could get.

[godzillarb]

I've heard of guys getting 305s to fit under stock rolled/pulled fenders but have never seen it in person. I think part of what would need to happen with getting 305s to fit with a stock fender is using the smallest possible coilovers in the rear? I'm currently running Eibach springs and KYB Struts so I would have had to change those out to get a little more room. Also, from what I've heard, rolling/pulling allows the tires to "fit" and look a little better, but with my setup the fender is actually cut about 2" and then rolled back and welded so the tire should be able to tuck up inside the overfender.

And ProkO is right, it is a lot of fender for those tires...I'm eventually going to try some 335s with better/wider rims along with the smaller coilovers. I could have gone with some sticky rubber but that gets expensive pretty damn fast, and I love the way these tires look on the car. The plan for now is to leave it pretty much stock on the outside with just the fenders and a nice drop...no body kit...hopefully it'll look pretty clean after she's painted.

The 315s I have on there probably are a little small, it was the only 315 that said it could fit on a 17x10 rim. For the record, I'm not really a fan of the FN01 wheels, but they were cheap, light, and would get the job done. I'd definitely love to get a set of J-line or CCWs...it's just that little thing known as money...

Power: RB26dett with AEM EMS on 10psi with some other supporting mods. Probably around 350whp. She pulls pretty strong though, I've been able to keep up with a viper in traffic so I was pretty happy about that.

Purpose? Drag yes...but not the sole reason for the car. There's a ton of rich guys in my area who have mustangs, vettes, porsches, gtos, f-bodys, and seem to think they're invincible. Well this car is the anti-thesis to that line of thinking.

[cfrost]

Purpose? Drag yes...but not the sole reason for the car. There's a ton of rich guys in my area who have mustangs, vettes, porsches, gtos, f-bodys, and seem to think they're invincible. Well this car is the anti-thesis to that line of thinking.

is the other purpose fundersteer?

:kiss: just kidding. That's a pretty big stagger front/rear

[McRussellPants]

That... is some flamboyantly gay shit.


-crap wheel fitment
-overfenders on stock body
-FN01RCs
-Sumitumos
-305s on a 350whp car
-thread that couldn't be trying harder to get people on your balls.


I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

[godzillarb]

is the other purpose understeer?

:kiss: just kidding. That's a pretty big stagger front/rear

Nice edit there bud! But yes, I'm going to have more understeer than anyone else damnit!!! haha

If understeer is a problem I can always change the size of the front tires or otherwise modify the suspension until it is no longer an issue. A buddy of mine actually recommended that I go with smaller tires in the front because of how much his 240 pulls on some bad spots of the road. As far as stagger ratios go, the new z06 has 275/325 which equates to 1.18 and mine is 1.23, a difference of 5%. Unless you guys know of someone who already tried this and it was horrible, we'll just have to wait and see how bad the problem is.

[godzillarb]

That... is some flamboyantly gay shit.


-crap wheel fitment
-overfenders on stock body
-FN01RCs
-Sumitumos
-315son a 350whp car
-thread that couldn't be trying harder to get people on your balls.


I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

I'm not trying to please everyone, some people like it, some obviously think it's so gay I should paint the car pink. It's all good though, I appreciate the input.

[kandyflip445]

IIRC, AceIntheHole had ran 315's on all four corners already. He used them for autocross.

[ThatGuy]

Seems like a waste of 50mm fenders. Wide fenders on stock body looks like crap. Drag racing is boring. You can strap a monkey to a rocket and make him go in a straight line for 1/4 mile. Still doesn't make it racing. Sure it's fun to hit up the 1320 every now and then, but building a street driven drag car just seem like a waste to me. I'd rather build a car that can handle well. Eventually the road, and even the track turn. I'd like my car to be able to do the same.

[godzillarb]

I agree about drag racing, it's more about the car then the driver's skill...but I wouldn't say it's exactly boring.

While 0-60 and 1/4 times are quite important, it's not going to be a boat. I'm planning on upgrading most of the suspension components such as strut bars, sway bars, traction rods, ect...but as far as coilovers, I was looking at the HKS hipermax II (spring rate 7f, 5r). Sound be soft enough to allow the rear to squat during acceleration but not so much that the chassis will slush around. Thoughts?

[SoSideways]

I agree about drag racing, it's more about the car then the driver's skill...but I wouldn't say it's exactly boring.

While 0-60 and 1/4 times are quite important, it's not going to be a boat. I'm planning on upgrading most of the suspension components such as strut bars, sway bars, traction rods, ect...but as far as coilovers, I was looking at the HKS hipermax II (spring rate 7f, 5r). Sound be soft enough to allow the rear to squat during acceleration but not so much that the chassis will slush around. Thoughts?

You either have a full drag suspension, or you have a comfy suspension, or you have a suspension made for handling.

Trying to mix handling with drag racing is like trying get an elephant to have sex with a goat: it ain't happening.

Drag = stock suspension
Handling = anything other than HKS High-dollar-max II coilovers

[FaLKoN240]

What are your plans for the car? What motorsports? I don't see how running such a wide tire in the rear of an s chassis could really help so much.

What are you going to run in the front? Hopefully something that can compensate for something so wide in the rear. Your car will look fine as long as you start making the rest of your car as extreme as your large tire size.

[blu808]

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
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[sncs14]

You should have just bought smaller better tires and a body kit instead of the over fenders and cheap wide tires.

[godzillarb]

The fronts are 255/40/17s

I read a lot of good things about the HKS setup, so you're saying they're just over priced? I've also heard the Megan coilovers are pretty good for the money?

The car isn't an all out drag car, not is it a pure track car...I'm trying to hit somewhere in the middle. I don't plan on competing in motorsports with this car, it's mostly a fun street car that will be taking to the track/dragstrip on occasion.

You should have just bought smaller better tires and a body kit instead of the over fenders and cheap wide tires.

That's a great plan if I was going to stay at about 350hp, but it rains quite a bit here and running DRs or slicks around is rather dangerous so if I'm actually going to drive the car on the street having some rubber that can handle water is a good thing.

Body kit? why? Besides looks they don't do anything, and at this point it's hard to spend money on stuff that serves no purpose besides looks. Now if I was drifting, a body kit would be first on my list.

[ThatGuy]

Your fenders served you no purpose besides looks considering we have told you that 315's could have fit with stock fenders and a properly set-up suspension. If you plan to daily drive this car, then Drag racing was propably the worst venue you could've selected to model your car after. 50mm fenders and you're only running 10" wide wheels? Come on! The least you could've done is actually get wheels that fill up those fenders. You obviously didn't do enough research before you started forking out money for these parts.

[godzillarb]

I'd love to see this car running 315s with stock fenders that have only been rolled and is running stock camber.

There's less than a 1/4 of an inch between my rear tire and the rear shock/spring. The inside fiberglass lip on the fenders are being trimmed so the tire doesn't destroy the fenders when the car squats under hard turning or acceleration...sounds like from what you guys have said, that's shitty...so what's a good fitment?

[SoSideways]

^ what he said about not doing enough research before spending money.

Guy I know used to own an S14, and he stuffed 305 tires on a 9" wide wheel IIRC and it fit in the rear of the S14 with a simple fender roll. Shit, it was the American Eagle wheels that the domestic guys like to buy to put on their Camaros/Firebirds/Mustangs. And it was flush.

As for coilovers, just get Megans and get it over with, as performance out of a higher end coilover will be lost in this street car.

[Prok0]

Ask and you shall recieve..
17x10 mas italy wheels iirc, 315 bfg dr's.
Granted that is most likely not stock camber, but who runs stock camber?
And if you did want to run stock camber just pull the fender a little...
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*not my car

[SoSideways]

Ah yup. Peter's old S14, which is now Loafy's.

I've never seen that setup up close, but what I said earlier about those Eagle wheels was somewhat wrong. He had 275s on there, not 315s. I got those wheels and the wheels in the pics above mixed up.

So yeah, there you go, proof that you wasted money on those 50mm wide fenders.

[hitman]

That... is some flamboyantly gay shit.


-crap wheel fitment
-overfenders on stock body
-FN01RCs
-Sumitumos
-305s on a 350whp car
-thread that couldn't be trying harder to get people on your balls.


I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
wtf is your problem
all you do is talk shit on other peoples cars. cuase you have big wheels you think you can put people down all day long?

your a fuckin trekkie. if all you do on the forums is talk shit becuase you car is cool, maybe you should find a new hobbie.

[hitman]

wait i thought mcrussel was cmercer. whatever

[godzillarb]

Yep, you proved it...with the right parts fitting a 315 is possible...thats pretty damn awesome, and no, I didn't know that before I started.

[godzillarb]

Ah yup. Peter's old S14, which is now Loafy's.

I've never seen that setup up close, but what I said earlier about those Eagle wheels was somewhat wrong. He had 275s on there, not 315s. I got those wheels and the wheels in the pics above mixed up.

So yeah, there you go, proof that you wasted money on those 50mm wide fenders.

I'd agree with you about the fenders being a waste of money if I never put a larger tire on there besides a 315. Looks like I might be able to grab some 345s and slap them on, but at this point, I'll need a hell of a lot more power to spin those puppies.

[SoSideways]

And another thing.

315/35/17 will still get you no traction because of the lack of sidewall.

If you want traction you should have went with something like a 16" wheel, that way you can run a little more sidewall on the tire, which is ultimately what will give you the traction off the line and what not.

[godzillarb]

I think the balance of tread patch and sidewall height should give me an acceptable compromise for street driving, on the track I agree that this combo would suck major ass. Some 15x9-10s would be in order to actually achieve traction to an acceptable level.

[hitman]

keep the neg rep coming i love it guys

[vvtisupra]

Get better tires then you don';t have to run 315's

[nlzmo400r]

Nice edit there bud! But yes, I'm going to have more understeer than anyone else damnit!!! haha

If understeer is a problem I can always change the size of the front tires or otherwise modify the suspension until it is no longer an issue. A buddy of mine actually recommended that I go with smaller tires in the front because of how much his 240 pulls on some bad spots of the road. As far as stagger ratios go, the new z06 has 275/325 which equates to 1.18 and mine is 1.23, a difference of 5%. Unless you guys know of someone who already tried this and it was horrible, we'll just have to wait and see how bad the problem is.

Well if what you want them for is looks, then fine, no one can hate you for that. But lets not start comparing the c6 z06 to an Schassis car please.

[ThatGuy]

The C6 Z06 is a track ready street car with a built suspension and chassis to do so. GM put an ungodly amount of R&D into building that car. An S14 is an economy car that you just put a heavier engine into and then slapped big tires on. Tires that prove you didn't do enough R&D on your own vehicle. There is a HUGE difference.

[yudalicious]

wtf is your problem
all you do is talk shit on other peoples cars. cuase you have big wheels you think you can put people down all day long?

your a fuckin trekkie. if all you do on the forums is talk shit becuase you car is cool, maybe you should find a new hobbie.

dude he's viceroy, he can do whatever he wants. And of course the 240 is one of the most upscale cars ever to roll out of an assembly plant.

[blu808]

Leave the guy alone. He has put alot of work into his project and im sure it will come out great, and just the way he wants it. Eventhough we may not like it, his work looks good, and he will prob like it.\\

[godzillarb]

The only reason I compared my car to the z06 was for tire sizes. A lot of guys were saying that because of the rather large difference between my rears and fronts, I would have major steering problems. This may be true, I won't know until someone who has the combo gives feedback on the matter, or I learn from my own setup. My tire setup is within 5% of the z06, that is all.

[ThatGuy]

And all I'm saying is the Z06 is set-up to run that tire combo. You're vehicle is not. I'm not saying you can't run 395 tires on your car if you really feel like it, just make sure you know how to set-up the car to use it effectively.

[godzillarb]

Ahh ok, I thought you were accusing me of comparing the track worthiness of my car to a z06.

So using the wheels/tires/fenders that I already have, how would you set the car up to make the best use of them? I was planning on doing the regular chassis bracing parts, 6 point cage, traction bars, and so on. I've even looked into using structural foam to help stiffen things up but I haven't gotten any solid data on this yet. Coilovers...like I said before, I was thinking 7f and 5r but this might be too soft to achieve and sort of acceptable handling.

[ThatGuy]

Don't use the foam. Stitch weld the frame. Read around Zilvia, ther are many threads dealing with handling and chassis stiffening. Don't build a car focused on Drag racing, you need to be able to turn when the road does the same.

[godzillarb]

I appreciate the advice, even if most of it was a little negative :)

[McRussellPants]

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Billy Madison, son.


wtf is your problem
all you do is talk shit on other peoples cars. cuase you have big wheels you think you can put people down all day long?

your a fuckin trekkie. if all you do on the forums is talk shit becuase you car is cool, maybe you should find a new hobbie.

Cry about it some more?

[KA24DESOneThree]

hitman makes at least one valid point.

godzillarb, you're running wide Sumitomos. The least you could have done is ponied up the cash for some decent tires.

It makes me laugh, those of you who don't know shit about tires and think that wide (or stretched :keke:) is the only thing that matters.

[godzillarb]

Oh, so I should have dropped $300 per tire? That makes sense when I'm pretty much planning on roasting the shit out of these tires. I'm not racing at the track, I'm not autoXing, I'm driving on the street. I'll kill the Sumitomos and then see about getting some better tires when it matters.

FYI a buddy of mine who has run Nitto 555s and HRZs on his z28. In his words, the HRZs are worth every cent of their $90 price tag, and while not as good (obviously) as the Nittos, they're comparable. I'm about to find out if he's full of shit or not.

[P4rD0nM3]

I'm not racing at the track, I'm not autoXing, I'm driving on the street.

Good luck on your car.

[EH9]

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[chmercer]

for 315s you should have like a 12 inch wide wheel

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'm not racing at the track, I'm not autoXing, I'm driving on the street.

At the track, at the autocross, what do you lack? You lack surprise. You lack that jackass in the minivan cutting across three lanes right into your space. You lack the idiot running a red and you needing to drop the hammer right NOW or risk getting t-boned.

What all too many people believe is that good tires are a luxury, not a necessity. Good tires will save your life, and that's my honest belief. I
will never have a crappy tire on a single car I own. I run Advan AD07s on the street because they are just about the best street tires one can buy. They buy me anti-moron credit.

[Omarius Maximus]

I give you points for being different. Do what makes you happy, you don't have to justify it to anyone. On Zilvia, if you don't have stretched tires and a safeway select body kit then your not cool.

[MasterOFDrift]

didn't you guys know? This is the new age fanboy. They begin by talking like they know what they are doing. Then someone calls their bs and they get defensive. Then maybe some other fanboys will come in and say "let him do what makes him happy!" or "why do you always put people down?" ha ha or or or if it gets real sweet they will throw in "It's cool cause it is being different." lol

Dude if you want to setup your car for drag then don't think about setting it up for handling. There is no universal application for suspension, even the difference between a suspension setup for drift and auto X, althought both require extensive chasis bracing, is quite large.

So commit to what you plan to do and stop bs'in with excuses to try to be accepted by others on the board.

[irax]

ummm.... i think it looks way sick, and for the most part if a car is pure drag or pure handleing sure the're going to be extreme differences. but if he wants to set up for both... he's going to have to learn how to change the suspension and tire setup for either, because i'm sure chassis setup is going to be almost exactly the same. I mean haven't you ever picked up a copy of GrassRoots Motorsports? where they do compitions for being able to build a car for allround ability as aposed to being built for a spicific type of racing? how are (insert your car) any different? sure certan cars will be exceptionaly well at one kind of thing but with propper tuning and setup it can be anything the end user wants.

[Omarius Maximus]

didn't you guys know? This is the new age fanboy. They begin by talking like they know what they are doing. Then someone calls their bs and they get defensive. Then maybe some other fanboys will come in and say "let him do what makes him happy!" or "why do you always put people down?" ha ha or or or if it gets real sweet they will throw in "It's cool cause it is being different." lol

Dude if you want to setup your car for drag then don't think about setting it up for handling. There is no universal application for suspension, even the difference between a suspension setup for drift and auto X, althought both require extensive chasis bracing, is quite large.

So commit to what you plan to do and stop bs'in with excuses to try to be accepted by others on the board.

Ummm...No, a fanboi is someone who defends the status quo, or gets in line to talk shit knowing that 2843672198 people have made the same argument before him, yet he still feels the need to chime in with his lame (and not so original) idea.

In case you didn't know, cars are big fat compromises. Your 240sx wasn't exactly the greatest handling car in stock form, thats because nissan kept things like comfort in mind. If he wants to drag race and still have a daily driver, he'll just have to compromise, and give up a little bit of performance at the strip to gain a little on the street. I'm sure you don't know what the word compromise means, since your beater is a Mclaren Mercedez MP4. Do me a small favor and run into a wall at 200mph with it, douchebag.

Also, Godzillarb hasn't gotten defensive, douchemeister. Hes taken everyone's criticism rather well.

[!Zar!]

So you purchace an rb26, widebody fenders, and tires to fit said widebody.

Then you complain about price per tire.

Why are you complaining about traction, and in the next post stating that you can't afford tires for traction.

How about you sell those wide fenders, and wheels. Purchace some smaller tires and get ones with a better tread rating.

[MasterOFDrift]

Ummm...No, a fanboi is someone who defends the status quo, or gets in line to talk shit knowing that 2843672198 people have made the same argument before him, yet he still feels the need to chime in with his lame (and not so original) idea.

In case you didn't know, cars are big fat compromises. Your 240sx wasn't exactly the greatest handling car in stock form, thats because nissan kept things like comfort in mind. If he wants to drag race and still have a daily driver, he'll just have to compromise, and give up a little bit of performance at the strip to gain a little on the street. I'm sure you don't know what the word compromise means, since your beater is a Mclaren Mercedez MP4. Do me a small favor and run into a wall at 200mph with it, douchebag.

Also, Godzillarb hasn't gotten defensive, douchemeister. Hes taken everyone's criticism rather well.

I see how you get your negative rep now, with your ad hominem style of writing. No facts just ranting. haha.

Everything that has needed to be said has been said. The guy took it well. I never said he was being defensive, I was just saying what generally occurs, and you definitely proved my point with your little reply.

[axiomatik]

Man, people need to ease up around here. Not everyone builds their car for track-only purposes, or to please the Zilvia gods of cool. He is building his car how he wants to, what's the purpose of insulting him? He's already spent the money, if he finds out it isn't want he wants, he can change it later.

['90RPS13]

At the track, at the autocross, what do you lack? You lack surprise. You lack that jackass in the minivan cutting across three lanes right into your space. You lack the idiot running a red and you needing to drop the hammer right NOW or risk getting t-boned.

What all too many people believe is that good tires are a luxury, not a necessity. Good tires will save your life, and that's my honest belief. I
will never have a crappy tire on a single car I own. I run Advan AD07s on the street because they are just about the best street tires one can buy. They buy me anti-moron credit.

100% Agree ++++1. *a

[P4rD0nM3]

Ok I'm sorry. I shouldn't have quoted the thing you said... Welcome to Zilvia btw.

Most of the replies are telling him to be practical...but if he doesn't want to...then fine!

[nlzmo400r]

The only reason I compared my car to the z06 was for tire sizes. A lot of guys were saying that because of the rather large difference between my rears and fronts, I would have major steering problems. This may be true, I won't know until someone who has the combo gives feedback on the matter, or I learn from my own setup. My tire setup is within 5% of the z06, that is all.

Right, but what im saying is that the zo6 chassis was engineered fo this type of stagger, so the chassis/suspension works well with this setup.

[SoSideways]

Right, but what im saying is that the zo6 chassis was engineered fo this type of stagger, so the chassis/suspension works well with this setup.

The LS6 or LS7 engines also put out a butt load of low end torque, which not even the RB26 has.

The ZO6 needs that wide of tires in the rear to maximize the use of that low end torque out of the apex of a corner. The RB26 doesn't make nearly the same amount of low end torque, so that would translate into understeer.

Also, the ZO6 without slicks in the rear don't really hook up that well at the track with 19s in the rear with virtually no sidewall. Sidewall is what helps you hook from a dead dig, and sloppy sidewalls will help you out more than a wider tread width.

So remedy for a decent handling car + drag + comfortable daily driver:

16x8 rims with decent 255/50/16 tires, something that's sticky and yet not have the stiffest sidewall. Something like a Dunlop FM901 comes to mind. As for the suspension, I would say something softish to help launching, but something that you can also stiffen up for handling. Tein Flex or even Super Street coilovers come to mind, with the EDFC to help adjust the shock damping from inside the car.

[chmercer]

this thread is retarded

[OptionZero]

i like how hitman called you a "Trekkie", and has "chebacca drift" or somethin in his sig.

great shit

[McRussellPants]

Wheels: 5zigen FNO1R-C, 17x9 +15 (front) and 17x10 +12 (rear)
Tires: Sumitomo HTR Z, 255/40/17 (front, not pictured), and 315/35/17 (rear)

Exterior:
Chargespeed 30mm over fenders (front)
Chargespeed 50mm over fenders (rear)

So what do you guys think...am I insane for telling you how I became the prince of a town called bel-air In west philadelfia born and raised On the playground where I spent most of my days Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school When a couple of guys said were up in no good Started making trouble in my neighbourhood I got in one little fight and my mom got scared And said youre moving with your aunte and uncle in bel-air




What? :eek3d:

[irax]

100% Agree ++++1. *a



meh, i think michelin pilot premacy's are the best tires you could ever own end of story

[redsuns3838]

just curious how much HP are you putting to the wheels? are u putting 350 right now?

[chmercer]

meh, i think michelin pilot premacy's are the best tires you could ever own end of story

get with the program dude, sumitomos are directional, AND ultra high performance summer tires. hell i bet the traction rating is A, maybe even AA. shit is hot like the sun.

[godzillarb]

just curious how much HP are you putting to the wheels? are u putting 350 right now?

350 is a rough estimate, I won't know anything for sure until the car goes on a dyno and gets tuned. Everyone who's driven my car keeps telling me how fast it is, but to me it seems slower than the c6 I got to play with. From guys I've talk to, they say the RB26 is capable of making 400ish on 16psi.

The RB26 doesn't have a whole lot of low end torque, but I'm going to have it tuned with anti-lag control so I'll have all the off the line power I could ever need.

After the suspension, cage, chassis, ect. is done I'll either be getting a set of N1 turbos or going to a gt40r or something similar. I'm looking for 550-600whp which supposedly is a very obtainable goal with the RB26.