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lcpljrm
05-24-2006, 08:31 AM
Okay, I just wanted to clear up a few issues some members might have when rebuilding their differentials. These are issues I haven't seen covered in any of the write-ups i've read. I drive a 95 se w/o abs or vlsd. I just installed a helical from an S15 on monday.

first of all, if you have never removed the differential from your car, it is likely that your diff has never been removed. trust me, you will have trouble with every bolt you encounter. unless you have access to a lift, it is going to be difficult to get the leverage you want on the driveshaft and half-shaft bolts. also, there will not be room to get a ratchet on the driveshaft bolts unless you have a slim ratchet. i soaked every bolt with wd40 first. i ended up using a wrench, and the only way i could break them loose was to put my floorjack under the wrench and jack it up. the half-shaft bolts will take some work, but i didn't have to go to the same extreme.

quick tip: before you start, remove the sway bar and the exhaust. don't try to save yourself work now, you will just go insane trying to reinstall the diff with those two items on. it only takes a few minutes anyway.

my 240lb-ft electric impact wrench couldn't get the ring gear bolts off. if you are in the same boat as me, travel to your nearest auto maintenance store and ask them to remove the bolts. 10min and $10 for me at the local store. don't beat your self up trying to remove them.

when it is time to reinstall the diff into the car, be prepared for a headache. you will literally be wrestling it back into the car. i can't see how this could be a one-person job, i had the assitance of a friend. the driveshaft will try to get in the way, the halfshalfts won't want to compress enough for those rubber nubs to go into the ouput shafts, you will have to tilt the diff side to side, forward and back, and raise it up and down. if you think something's wrong with your car or your parts, it is probably just that you are doing something wrong.


S15 helical = sex, from what i can tell so far. went out in the country for a little drive. i will get to test it out at an autocross in a couple of weeks. i had some understeer issues on-throttle and off-throttle before due to my staggered tires and sway bar settings, but now, at least on-throttle the car is much more neutral. i haven't really been to the limit with it yet, but it seems as though i could induce oversteer at 100% throttle.

p.s. add my name to list of guys whose backlash was perfectly fine after swapping the diff reusing the stock shims.

hope this helps someone out.

Gearhead_42
05-24-2006, 08:45 AM
Nicely stated sir, thank you. I'm tackling this very project in my S13 this weekend...

lcpljrm
05-24-2006, 09:50 AM
rebuilding the diff was the easiest part. including cleaning, it took maybe an hour. wrestling the diff back into the car absolutely kicked my ass

S13 Charlie
05-24-2006, 11:15 AM
Agreed.

I had the help of my roommate when I was ready to remove and replace the actual pumpkin. And even then, it was a bitch of a task. We ended up using a floor jack on a ramp to jack the diff in place. It worked pretty well, the hardest part was keeping the diff stable on the jack while we popped the driveshafts back into place and then tried to manuver it into the holes on the subframe.. but I digress.

I was able to take the diff to work and use a table-vice with a breaker bar and a 3 foot pipe to break the bolts on the ring gear. I almost ripped the vice out of the wooden workbench!

Oh yeah, and I also agree with removing the sway bar and exhaust. It seems like a lot more work, but you'll be saving yourself tons of time and headaches if you do it before hand.

S14DB
05-24-2006, 11:53 AM
It's even more fun with a Greddy Extra capacity cover.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/240sx/Diff/DiffComplete2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/240sx/Diff/HLSDin.jpg
So much fun to get those rear bolts in there holes.

lcpljrm
05-24-2006, 03:29 PM
if it had been any harder, i would have ended up suck starting a gun or going on a rampage

S14DB
05-24-2006, 07:07 PM
Yeah, you can see my 650ft/Lbs. impact gun in the background. It was a bitch to get the ring gear off even with that.

Rittmeister
05-24-2006, 09:04 PM
I did this install last summer. Worth its weight in gold!

I didn't remove the swaybar or exhaust, and I didn't have trouble getting the pumpkin back into the car. You just have to put the left side output shaft up over the exhaust, then weasel it back and forth as you guide it up into position.

I wish there was an extra-cap cover for S13 :(

SochBAT
05-25-2006, 01:48 AM
i didn't have that much trouble with my diff install. The hardest part was taking the damn thing off. Using a jack to hold up the diff for positioning helps ALOT. having a second helper underneath the car with you is even better.

Key point = proper tools!

Vatche
05-25-2006, 03:00 AM
i want to get one but i want to find it cheap. the only prices i have seen are at around 500 and thats too much for me, but as soon as i find a good deal im definately going to get one. i wanted to get one like 1.5 -2 years ago before they became so popular so maybe the price has gone down now?

blu808
05-25-2006, 04:09 AM
Well i have done many diff installs. Some are fast and fun. Others are greasy, rusty, and stuborn.

Anyways. I never take the exh, or sway bar off. I like having the sway there to lay the nose on.


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http://www.shockdrifting.com/weldlocd.html

zads
05-25-2006, 04:17 AM
I like the S15 HLSD a lot.

I took it out/put it back in by myself, twice now. (using two jacks and a bunch of 4x4s.. i'm only 115lbs)

Remember to Loc-tite your ring gear bolts! Otherwise, bad bad things happen..

I don't run a rear sway bar at all (I need as much rear grip as I can get).. but I do take my exhaust off to have more room.

lcpljrm
05-25-2006, 09:55 AM
well, maybe i am just insane. i used a floor jack to help position it, but i still had so much trouble. i think part of it is, that by the end of the day, i was so tired and pissed off, i wasn't patient and i couldn't think clearly. i really ought to relax more when i am working on my car. i do enjoy it.

i wonder if i used enough loctite.....hmmm....scary.

i got mine for $615 on ebay with the output shafts.

kensreliableb18b
05-25-2006, 10:14 AM
Anyways. I never take the exh, or sway bar off. I like having the sway there to lay the nose on.

o yea man, dont take off the sway bar if you know you're gonna be reinstalling it urself. besides, its just more work and its not necessary.

S14DB
05-25-2006, 12:56 PM
s13 is 10x easier than a s14.

!Zar!
05-25-2006, 01:10 PM
s13 is 10x easier than a s14.
I couldn't agree with you more on that one.

Just by looking at the s14 diff it looks easier...

If only that was the case. I was about to kill someone when it came to taking those two rear bolts off.

Oh, and you're a showoff on the diff cover. haha.

ballr858
05-26-2006, 05:51 AM
like blu808 said, its nice using the sway bar to lay the nose of the differential on. I did remove the exhaust though because it got in the way when removing the left side half shaft bolts. I didn't use a jack to lower or lift up the differential because it got in the way. I just kinda bench pressed it up. when installing the diff I learned that its easier positioning it when your body is facing with your head towards the rear of the diff and feet towards front of car. if I had just positioned my body like that from the start then I would have saved lots of time.

i8yourfwd
05-26-2006, 06:38 AM
like blu808 said, its nice using the sway bar to lay the nose of the differential on. I did remove the exhaust though because it got in the way when removing the left side half shaft bolts. I didn't use a jack to lower or lift up the differential because it got in the way. I just kinda bench pressed it up. when installing the diff I learned that its easier positioning it when your body is facing with your head towards the rear of the diff and feet towards front of car. if I had just positioned my body like that from the start then I would have saved lots of time.
+1 for laying the diff on the sway bar.. Installing it is pretty easy.. especially if you rest the nose on the sway bar...