So We Bought That XS Power / SS Autochrome turbo

[visi0n]

so my friend bought an SSautochrome / xspower turbo off ebay the other day.

it came with a "yaisho factory" equal length manifold copy and a supposedly garrett gt28rs "disco potato" copy.


here is the specs of the turbo copied from ssautochrome.
"NISSAN T25 / T28 GTRS "DISCO FRENCH-FRY"
SUPER HYBRID .63 . 60
BALL BEARING NISSAN TURBO FOR S13 / S14 / S15 "
Featuring
• High performance spool up (2500-3200rpm)
• Dual ceramic Ball Bearing
• Water cooling
• Internal wastegate (12-16Psi)
• T28 exhaust flange
• .60 A/R Exhaust
• .63 Compressor
• Including intake flange and oil hose for sr20 and ca18 setups
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/images/GT28_c.jpg
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/images/gt28-tb-snd-batch-sample2-1_c.jpg
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/images/GT281_c.jpg
http://www.ssautochrome.com/level.itml/icOid/images/GT283_c.jpg

a disco potato garret has these specs:
Dual Ball Bearing GT28RS turbo assembly with T25 style turbine inlet. Comes with internal wastegate pre-assembled. This turbo is great for small displacement engines up to 2.2L and has the ultimate spool up time compared to other units. This turbo has a flow capacity of about 350HP. This turbo would be comparable to the HKS GT2530.

Turbine
-Wheel: 53.85mm w/ 76 trim
-Housing: .86 ar

Compressor
-Wheel: 60mm w/ 62 trim
-Housing: .60 ar
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Catalog%20Images/Turbochargers/GT28RS-375375.jpg


so upon my inspection, the xsturbo seemed to be a very nice piece. the compressor housing was nice indeed, and had a really nice fin design. in comparing to a actual GT28RS, it looks to be the same compressor fin design, and a/r of .60a/r 62trim.

but, upon inspection of the exhaust side turbine. the look returned a STOCK exhaust side. I did wonder why the turbo itself had a plate that was stamped "Nissan GT28".

it looks like xs power takes the GT28 and just installes a GT28RS compressor into the same compressor housing. actual external comparison's the turbo looks more like a garrett GT28R, not RS.

here are the GT28R specs:
Dual Ball Bearing GT28R Turbo assembly with internal wastegate assembly. .64ar turbine with 5 bolt exit. Very very Good response turbo for 4 Cyl applications. This turbo has a flow capacity of about 310HP.

Turbine
-Wheel: 53mm w/ 62 trim
-Housing: .64 ar

Compressor
-Wheel: 60mm w/ 60 trim
-Housing: .60 ar
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/images/release022105/03.jpg


still testing the turbo out. it came with a 14psi wastegate so that is the boost we got out of the box. still testing because my friends motor took a shyt from oiling issues. going to tear down the block this week to see what gave up.

[boosteds13]

Personally, I would never buy one, but I would like to see someone (or particularly a vendor) put one of these turbos through it's paces. I don't know about these, but in the DSM community there is an EVO3 16G knockoff that supposedly works REALLY well.

[timtiminy]

tell me what you think about it after testing..i am very interested. This turbo would probably be too small for a KA turbo....i wonder what they have for an application like that?

[krustindumm]

tell me what you think about it after testing..i am very interested. This turbo would probably be too small for a KA turbo....i wonder what they have for an application like that?


You planning on more than 350whp?

[HyperTek]

cool finally someone with enough balls in the 240 community to try one of these out.. We are all looking forward to the gunea pig on this one. haha.

Let us know how it turns out. esp lifespan which is the number 1 concern on these turbos.

[Vatche]

i like cheap parts. but i hate ssautochrome they can die imo.

[DrtyRat]

cool finally someone with enough balls in the 240 community to try one of these out.. We are all looking forward to the gunea pig on this one. haha.

Let us know how it turns out. esp lifespan which is the number 1 concern on these turbos.
Not the first w/the XS turbo (I know its a diff. size but same company...btw does XS=XtraSh***y?), but maybe his results will be better (2nd to the last post on the page by Voltron)
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=68014962&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

[boosteds13]

Not the first w/the XS turbo (I know its a diff. size but same company...btw does XS=XtraSh***y?), but maybe his results will be better (2nd to the last post on the page by Voltron)
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=68014962&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
lol, then look at the first post on page 2.

[timtiminy]

i dont think i would go more than 300hp i just am looking at options and i like the tourque of the ka and i would want something that spools quickly, is internally wastegated and doesnt cost $1000. this may be a good ticket for that but i just want some oppinions

[visi0n]

well at 14psi for the first 2 days it was great. then the motor gave up. i think the oil pump gave up, or something. we are tearing down the block as we speak to see what was up.

as far as turbo mishaps, people have stated elsewhere that the turbo had come apart due to bad workmanship, but in those cases it looked like something "fell" into the turbo itself.

if you actually look at the turbo itself, all it looks like is a rebuilt GT28 s14 turbo with ball bearings, and an upgraded compressor side using a garrett compressor. the compressor fin is very nice from the looks of it.

then again we have YET to put it to its full paces. i didn't want to be the guniea pig for this taiwanese turbo, but budget and restraints has it that this was our best path to take. oh well if this turbo gives us issues we have a spare block ready to be built on the side just in case.

i'll keep you guys updated. also this turbo shouldn't put more than 300crank hp. its not a GT28RS it looks more like a GT28R, but i wouldn't push it without a stash of money behind me. just gotta be safe on the boost levels once this enigne is back and running. i have to say though, the powerband was nice and strong compared to the stocker s13 gt25. improvements were great, but this was at the wastegate default of 14psi.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Id put my money that you were detonating baaaad. Did you start knocking too? Im willing to bet that the detonation caused premature wear and tear on the rod bearings. Those chunks of metal in your oil then clogged up the sump making it worst for your engine since started getting less oil. Drop your pan and check for brass...thats your bearings...

[waynehead05]

i'd like to hear more on this story as time rolls out.

[HyperTek]

get it up and running again?

[ranisron]

I read it somewhere that SSautochrome turbos were clued together or something like that...

personally, I wouldn't invest in something that has the reputation of falling apart easily.

[boosteds13]

I read it somewhere that SSautochrome turbos were clued together or something like that...

personally, I wouldn't invest in something that has the reputation of falling apart easily.
I swear to God, if one more person posts that I am going to go on a rampage. There was ONE incident of that EVER happening. And rumor has it, the guy dropped the turbo and it cracked along that casting mark and HE is the one who glued it back together with some epoxy.

[Omarius Maximus]

Actually, the T3 turbos that xs power makes are suspect. The compressor housing is actually epoxied on right in the middle. I thought I saw more than just one example on Ka-t.org, but I could be mistaken.

[DisEpyon]

i personally have nothing against them, but i thought this was interesting.

:aw:

http://www.bblgroup.us/ssautochrome.htm
from hotshot performance website

[S14DB]

i personally have nothing against them, but i thought this was interesting.
http://www.bblgroup.us/ssautochrome.htm
from hotshot performance website
They aren't bias or anything... http://www.bblgroup.us/

Did you read this thread?

[visi0n]

sorry for the late response guys...

upon inspection of the motor and turbo. i need to slap my friend. he told me the spring that is located in his factory s13 intake elbow got sucked into the turbo causing the fins to become shaved off. from there they entered the engine causing the engine to fail. so sad, that was a POWERFUL engine. compression was the best i've ever witnessed from a never opened sr20 s13 redtop.

anyway, the new turbo we got is definately holding up well. its been about a month now and the turbo is still working fine. i have nothing but good things to say about the turbo. it is definately a nice unit, i have no complaints.

only complaints is that the turbo did NOT come with any gaskets so be prepared to buy a fresh set of gaskets all around. also the factory return fitting did not fit. the bolts are too far spread apart, which will require you to purchase an aftermarket return fitting.

also the included oil feed line was incompatible. it was much too short to be of any use so we had to bend the factory hardlines to fit.

the included wastegate holds at .6bar, and the turbo is still running strong.

[visi0n]

also we have not been able to boost up this turbo to see how much it can take safely. the factory injectors are maxing out much too soon.

[wvustud2003]

also we have not been able to boost up this turbo to see how much it can take safely. the factory injectors are maxing out much too soon.
thanks for the info i almost bought one of these turbos last month and didn't want to waste 400 bucks for the turbo and 200 for the labor only for it to blow up. since i'm only looking to run like 14-15 psi on my redtop and call it a day, i might invest in one of these turbos now. please keep us updated. i turn 21 in 3 weeks and i don't want to waste a birthday gift on this thing for it to fail.

[WILDACEX187]

cool thanx for the info. let us know when the injectors and maf are upgraded for more boost

[wvustud2003]

anybody else gonna try one of these out. i think i'm gonna get one. do you guys think it will be reliable running 250whp daily?

[Silverbullet]

Its not the engineering or design thats to be questioned. Many of their products have been known to hold up well. I've personally seen a few XS Power/SSAC turbos and they seemed fine for the most part from visual/ hand inspection (at the same time that can also mean nothing at all). The problem is its production phase. There was a "knock off vs real parts" thread on Freshalloy some time ago and one person mentioned that he has been to the factory and made a long post on how they do things. As we know, they are based in China. That is what keeps the cost of them down: cheap labor. The factories that put these things together have no contribution or real hobbiest interest in tuner cars or motorsports. They are simply there to make products that people will buy. When that craze is over, they will start making other things and so on. This is why they have inconsistant quality. Its a hit or miss. Its defently a gamble buying an XS Power turbo. Im sure most of them will turn out fine but i know for a fact there are crummy ones out there on the market. A turbo, something that has a shaft spinning at xxxxRPM, has a high risk factor if the tolorance isn't within thousands of an inch atleast. Now if SSAC actually answered customers and replaced bad turbos within a year like they promise, that would be a different story but they are not known to leave you in the dark if your part goes bad.

[wvustud2003]

Its not the engineering or design thats to be questioned. Many of their products have been known to hold up well. I've personally seen a few XS Power/SSAC turbos and they seemed fine for the most part from visual/ hand inspection (at the same time that can also mean nothing at all). The problem is its production phase. There was a "knock off vs real parts" thread on Freshalloy some time ago and one person mentioned that he has been to the factory and made a long post on how they do things. As we know, they are based in China. That is what keeps the cost of them down: cheap labor. The factories that put these things together have no contribution or real hobbiest interest in tuner cars or motorsports. They are simply there to make products that people will buy. When that craze is over, they will start making other things and so on. This is why they have inconsistant quality. Its a hit or miss. Its defently a gamble buying an XS Power turbo. Im sure most of them will turn out fine but i know for a fact there are crummy ones out there on the market. A turbo, something that has a shaft spinning at xxxxRPM, has a high risk factor if the tolorance isn't within thousands of an inch atleast. Now if SSAC actually answered customers and replaced bad turbos within a year like they promise, that would be a different story but they are not known to leave you in the dark if your part goes bad.gotcha. i saw on their that they have a 1 year warranty but i'm scared i might have to go throught more bullshit than it's worth. i need something more than this t25 i have now

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

I swear to God, if one more person posts that I am going to go on a rampage. There was ONE incident of that EVER happening. And rumor has it, the guy dropped the turbo and it cracked along that casting mark and HE is the one who glued it back together with some epoxy.

I know that this is an old post, but I need to correct this statement. I personally took apart a failed SSA turbo, and it was indeed epoxyed together.

[S13Eye]

If you spend thousands of dollars on a swap and invest countless hours of labor, then cheap out on something as fundemental as a turbo, you're an idiot. A real Garrett GT28RS sells for just over a grand, so save your money and get the real thing. You can be sure that an authentic turbo will give you beter performance/reliability, and proper customer service. That to me is worth the extra cost. Its not worth it getting a SSAC, and its not worth constantly having to worry.

Some of their stuff is alright, like the Motoria exhausts they sell, intercooler cores, and manifolds for the most part. Even if the rest of their stuff works, you don't know for how long, or how well, and you are supporting some douche bag that steals business from real aftermarket companies that are true enthusiasts, and invest in researching race proven technology into every part you buy.

[visi0n]

wasn't my idea to purchase the turbo, but it has good build quality and is holding up well so far. they use Nissan cores to rebuild their turbos so they're starting with something good from the begining.

oddly enough, the first turbo my friend f'd up SSAutoChrome warrentied it. I told him too, you will be one lucky mutha if they warrenty your sh*t. It took countless emails, ebay messages, and more and more emails to get them to send us a new turbo, but they did it no questions asked. They warrentied a turbo my FRIEND damaged which is the weird part. He told them in the form they emailed me that it was a bearing failure because a shop said so. Once they recieved the old turbo they sent us a new one.

lol, we locktited the compressor nut just for safe measures that it never comes loose. other than that the build of the turbo seems really well done, at least for this "Nissan" cored unit.

i can't say much about their T3, T4 configuration turbo's.

[wvustud2003]

wasn't my idea to purchase the turbo, but it has good build quality and is holding up well so far. they use Nissan cores to rebuild their turbos so they're starting with something good from the begining.

oddly enough, the first turbo my friend f'd up SSAutoChrome warrentied it. I told him too, you will be one lucky mutha if they warrenty your sh*t. It took countless emails, ebay messages, and more and more emails to get them to send us a new turbo, but they did it no questions asked. They warrentied a turbo my FRIEND damaged which is the weird part. He told them in the form they emailed me that it was a bearing failure because a shop said so. Once they recieved the old turbo they sent us a new one.

lol, we locktited the compressor nut just for safe measures that it never comes loose. other than that the build of the turbo seems really well done, at least for this "Nissan" cored unit.

i can't say much about their T3, T4 configuration turbo's.
would you recommend somebody else buy it as well for a daily driven mildly boosted sr20 lets say 15 psi daily or no

[DP_Michelle G]

i would recommend that if your going to buy it send it out and have the tolerances inspected by a turbo rebuilder before you put it on the car

[sepulchral]

Its not the engineering or design thats to be questioned. Many of their products have been known to hold up well. I've personally seen a few XS Power/SSAC turbos and they seemed fine for the most part from visual/ hand inspection (at the same time that can also mean nothing at all). The problem is its production phase. There was a "knock off vs real parts" thread on Freshalloy some time ago and one person mentioned that he has been to the factory and made a long post on how they do things. As we know, they are based in China. That is what keeps the cost of them down: cheap labor. The factories that put these things together have no contribution or real hobbiest interest in tuner cars or motorsports. They are simply there to make products that people will buy. When that craze is over, they will start making other things and so on. This is why they have inconsistant quality. Its a hit or miss. Its defently a gamble buying an XS Power turbo. Im sure most of them will turn out fine but i know for a fact there are crummy ones out there on the market. A turbo, something that has a shaft spinning at xxxxRPM, has a high risk factor if the tolorance isn't within thousands of an inch atleast. Now if SSAC actually answered customers and replaced bad turbos within a year like they promise, that would be a different story but they are not known to leave you in the dark if your part goes bad.


not the engineering thats to be questioned... are you joking?

[KOUKI KA-T]

I know that this is an old post, but I need to correct this statement. I personally took apart a failed SSA turbo, and it was indeed epoxyed together.

Add me to that list. My buddy who bought my old KA setup from me replaced the T3 with an SSAC 57trim hybrid. Thrust bearings were completely shot in 3k miles, and the housing was, in fact, epoxied together. I saw it for myself.
It was warrantied by SSAC and replaced, then the vehicle was totalled about 1Kmiles later so not sure how long the second one would have lasted

[Silverbullet]

not the engineering thats to be questioned... are you joking?


No, im not. Read my post better. I personally know many setups that are daily driven and have no problem what so ever which means if they are built to spec, they work perfectly fine. Im sure all they did was replicate Garrett's product.

By no means am i implying that everyone should go out and get one but do you have any idea how many of these people buy? Not every tuner posts on forums. You also have to realize how statistics are recorded. If someone has a defective turbo, they will or someone they know will post it all over the internet, but if they ahve no problems and they dont post online, then nothing will be reported. Get what im saying? Anways, my point is they were never originally designed, they were copied. When manufactured correctly, they (in theory) run like the original. the ones that fuck up are the ones that have the tolorance issue and im sure there is a decent amount (even 1 is 1 too many) that are bad.

Thats just my insite. I try to look at things from every angle. That is the best way to spread knewlage. Take it or leave it, im just trying to contribute to this data base of knewlage. this is how we learn and understand things better.

[wvustud2003]

No, im not. Read my post better. I personally know many setups that are daily driven and have no problem what so ever which means if they are built to spec, they work perfectly fine. Im sure all they did was replicate Garrett's product.

By no means am i implying that everyone should go out and get one but do you have any idea how many of these people buy? Not every tuner posts on forums. You also have to realize how statistics are recorded. If someone has a defective turbo, they will or someone they know will post it all over the internet, but if they ahve no problems and they dont post online, then nothing will be reported. Get what im saying? Anways, my point is they were never originally designed, they were copied. When manufactured correctly, they (in theory) run like the original. the ones that fuck up are the ones that have the tolorance issue and im sure there is a decent amount (even 1 is 1 too many) that are bad.

Thats just my insite. I try to look at things from every angle. That is the best way to spread knewlage. Take it or leave it, im just trying to contribute to this data base of knewlage. this is how we learn and understand things better.
i might by one. it's only 400 bucks

[aNskY]

gotcha. i saw on their that they have a 1 year warranty but i'm scared i might have to go throught more bullshit than it's worth. i need something more than this t25 i have now


lol @ warranty. try getting in contact with ssautochrome. its damn near impossible.

[codyace]

i might by one. it's only 400 bucks


By searching enough, you can find reuptable rebuilt Garrett turbos for that much....



I'll contribute a bit to this thread:

About 2 years ago, a friend of mine decide that he was going to check out an XS Power turbocharger for the hell of it (purely research). He figured that suerly not everything they build is 100 percent garbage, but also made sure to state that he wouldn't ever ever ever trust one to put on his car.

So we got it, and well the pics can do the talking. 'X' cast onto the turbine, old studs in the turbine, and it's painted to boot...YUCK. Shaft play from factory...nothign was right!

Also take note of the silicone between compressor and CHRA!


And for informations sake, the compressor housing did appear to be expoyed/glued together.

http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album107/Picture_003.sized.jpg

http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album107/Picture_004.sized.jpg

http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album107/Picture_001.sized.jpg

http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album107/Picture_002.sized.jpg

VS: His real Garrett T3/T4 through an official Garrett Distributor (PW Diesel)


http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album127/P1010527.sized.jpg

http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album127/P1010526.sized.jpg



Again, this could be 1 in a 100 that was bad, or 1 of many that were bad. Like said above, you only hear of the bad on the internet...and only one side of the story!

[93fb240sx]

id rather put the money into a quality t3/t4 hybrid turbo setup, than buy some cheap junk that's gonna break. "Do it right, or do it twice."

[powersteeringless180sx]

any updates w/ the turbo?

[visi0n]

turbo failed...while doing donuts.

12psi only.

dropping in a GT2871R, when we pull our the junk turbo i'll inspect it for what failed. the turbo started making scraping noises after a few donuts after a long 6k miles.

will keep you boys updated.

[visi0n]

also...XS Power manifold cracked on the individual runner after 2,000 miles. seems like the runner material is way too thin to sustain all the vibration and weight of the turbo and exhaust system.

[Slidin240Wayz]

These parts should really be banned to the public.

Carlos

[BIGREDCORP]

I reccommend the garrett gt2871r with the s15 compressor housing and a A/R .64 exhaust housing.

[sepulchral]

ssauto turbos have oiling prolbems bigtime... u need to get a oil flow restrictor or something that reducces the amount of flow going into it, the size of a pin hole.

[codyace]

ssauto turbos have oiling prolbems bigtime... u need to get a oil flow restrictor or something that reducces the amount of flow going into it, the size of a pin hole.

Not to sound rude, but you should be doing that on all turbos, regardless of make (unless it's a new one with a built in restrictor)

[visi0n]

we picked up the GT2871R .64trim 2 days ago... thing is a beauty.

we should be making 300whp in no time. next week i'm going to tear the turbo apart and see what went wrong.

['90RPS13]

Hell of a write up. Glad I didnt commit yet. Good news is according to SSAutoChrome on Ebay, They are located in Mooresville, NC which is 10 miles from me! *a

[S14DB]

Hell of a write up. Glad I didnt commit yet. Good news is according to SSAutoChrome on Ebay, They are located in Mooresville, NC which is 10 miles from me! *aYou didn't know that? I know you've met some of the people involved even if you didn't know it.

[visi0n]

haven't had time to tear down the turbo yet, but the compressor fins touched the compressor housing though...

i am assuming the bearings they use are SUBPAR quality. they probably failed. we'll see upon teardown inspection.

[visi0n]

side note...i bought a SSAutochrome T3/T4 for my corolla. in a few months i'll put this turbo through its paces. it is of the same build quality as the "Disco FrenchFry" turbo that XSPower / SSAutoChrome is selling.

very nice looking turbo, but lets see how long this thing lasts.

[Silverbullet]

let us know when you take apart the disco french fry. take pix0rs!

[Sir]

also...XS Power manifold cracked on the individual runner after 2,000 miles. seems like the runner material is way too thin to sustain all the vibration and weight of the turbo and exhaust system.
same goes for their suspension pieces - just too thin

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/Nackers240sx/Drifting%20pics/SSautochromeshit2.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/Nackers240sx/Drifting%20pics/SSautochromeshit1.jpg

[DrtyRat]

was this the motoria pcs?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/S13-NISSAN-DRIFT-Suspension-Kit-240SX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42609QQihZ005QQit emZ150043603331

[yokotas13]

was this the motoria pcs?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/S13-NISSAN-DRIFT-Suspension-Kit-240SX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42609QQihZ005QQit emZ150043603331
guy i know has the kit nad tracks it alots.l..no problem in like 8 months yet

[GSXRJJordan]

excellent thread - interested to see what the CHRA looks like, after you remove the housing.

I agree with a few of the previous posters, that when spending thousands (or in some of our cases, 10s of thousands) on your beloved car, skimping on a part like a turbo is like painstakingly engineering the ultimate athlete and putting in an 80yr old's heart... might work fine, but F*CK why cut corners with something that important?

That said, I believe that non-moving parts are probably OK, as long as you go in with the knowledge that the cheap part will fail eventually, you're just "leasing" time by going with SSAC instead of a "real" part.

[visi0n]

upon research, i'm surprised at how many supra guys are using these setups in their cars with no issues. they even have xspower sponsor quite a few people and forums backing with tech support.

what the heeeeze!

[boosteds13]

upon research, i'm surprised at how many supra guys are using these setups in their cars with no issues. they even have xspower sponsor quite a few people and forums backing with tech support.

what the heeeeze!

I think you are thinking of--> http://www.xs-engineering.com/

[slow92_s13]

my friend has that same turbo...he made like 260whp on stock fuel setup besides a fpr and fuel pump lol....its still going after almost 2 1/2 years!

[Aoshi112]

I think you are thinking of--> http://www.xs-engineering.com/


No he's actually right, its just that XS power is not sponsoring supraforums.com. One guy tried to but the sponsors of the current supraforums had him banned so he took his account to clubna-t.com. Surprisingly a lot of supra guys are running the ebay manifold with no problems so far. They just stay away from the turbos, wastegates and BOVs. A lot of the NA supra guys are going NA-T with this XS power kit b/c its cheap enough. We'll see how long the manifolds last. I held on personally and didn't look too bad but looks aren't everything...

[visi0n]

i have a feeling my friend blew his XSPower turbo due to setting his blow off valve too tight, causing compressor surge.

we'll have to wait till i have time to take apart the turbo. been too busy with events and such as well as repairing my own car.

the GT2871R spools up like a dream though. boost comes on sooner and we have more power out of this turbo than the GT28R copy at the same boost levels.

[timtiminy]

update? anything to confirm compressor surge causing the failure?

[Silverbullet]

If compressor surge killed the turbo, it would have died in a matter of time anyways. Many people dont even run BOVs and just surge all the time, however MOST people have a little amount of surge even with a BOV. People just dont really know how to listen to it and assume their BOV some how makes an awsome noise but a WOOSH.

[North240]

.02 on XS power turbos
1. Old style t3/t4 deffinitly epoxied together.
2. Old style turbos are absolute crap
3. I got back in touch with those guys when mine crapped out after 3k, and they sent me a new turbo (their "new style") no questions asked.
4. I ran the new style turbo for about 7 months around 200whp for the first 4 months and about 275whp for the next 3 till my car was totalled in December.

Was the workmanship of the 1st one I had shotty.....yes
was the workmanship of the 2nd as bad.........no, but still nothing to write home about.
My next KA-T will not have a XSPower turbo, i just don't need the headaches.

[97S14Silvia]

I bought one part from them last November when I was doing my swap and they sent the wrong one. I can tell you one way to get them to answer, look up the phone # your bank puts on your statement where it shows the charges. I freaked them out, they were like "how did you get this number"

Anyway I went with the Turbonetics T3/4 turbo kit and a rom tune for my car.

I know many people on here keep saying, "it's only $400, I might try it". Think about how much you put into you motor so far and how you would feel if that $400 kit destroyed you motor. No thank you.

[timtiminy]

okay so i got to thinking and I figured if you wanted to maybe prolong the life of the ebay GT28RS turbos, one could send it off to get it balanced. I hear it is quite inexpensive and could possibly help. I don't think it could hurt. i would imagine being poorly balanced from the factory is an issue that these turbos have which could keep them from lasting.

[codyace]

okay so i got to thinking and I figured if you wanted to maybe prolong the life of the ebay GT28RS turbos, one could send it off to get it balanced. I hear it is quite inexpensive and could possibly help. I don't think it could hurt. i would imagine being poorly balanced from the factory is an issue that these turbos have which could keep them from lasting.

By the time you get the turbo, ship it out, balance it, and get it shipped back, you may as well get a real one.


Cheapness f-in kills me. Just do it right, and have it last forever.

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I would be too scared to put a Chinese turbo on my car, ive heard stories about SSautochrome where a several guys have turbos break in half on them.

a turbo that split in half.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1097918
a busted turbo kit from SS auto chrome
http://www.dsmloggers.com/stuff/aas.jpg

[smelly240]

since when do turbo kits from ssac come with holset HX-35 turbos?

[vrooompssssht]

since when do turbo kits from ssac come with holset HX-35 turbos?

I love when people use nice turbos with $100 ebay manifolds

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I love when people use nice turbos with $100 ebay manifolds

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Hahaha i know, there are a few guys around here run nice HKS turbos with some cheapy OBX manifolds....wierd....

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since when do turbo kits from ssac come with holset HX-35 turbos?


They offerred alot of different setups in the past, more then now, many of them which have been discoed because of their reliability issues and complaints. Literally all their things they sell are fake dupes of the real thing. They sell nothing but knock off parts, and they claim them to be the same thing as a garett, rayjay, HKS turbo or what not.

[timtiminy]

no update on the actual cause of the downfall of the ebay gt turbo??

['90RPS13]

I have a Buddy who just went NA-T on his SC300. He loves it. Hasnt had any problems with there "new style" shit. He is laying done 300whp on street tune and daily.

I have a spare DOHC I will be turboing in the next 2 weeks so I will do a writeup and let you guys know how there kit works for me. After all, shit goes wrong, I am 25 miles from there damn shop. Screw a call, I'll visit!

P.S. SSAShit never offered Holset's with there Kits. Almost every honda user who goes SSAC for the mani uses a Holset. And I wouldnt be surprised is that Honda was laying down well over 300hp. Had he have been using it sparingly, I doubt that would have happened.

*a

[Matej]

Some of the new SSAC parts actually aren't that bad. Their new manifolds look pretty nice, I'm considering buying one.

[byhi]

cool finally someone with enough balls in the 240 community to try one of these out.. We are all looking forward to the gunea pig on this one. haha.

Let us know how it turns out. esp lifespan which is the number 1 concern on these turbos.

actually, a buddy of mine from around the akron area used the SSAC complete setup on his 05-06 car jsut to see if the whole kit would hold. and he's still planning on usign the kit this season just with a new manifold... because the SSAC cracked...

in eaither cas,e i personally would not run the kit because of the split turbos and horror stories ive seen and heard about, BUT, it its defense, the only kit i've seen being used in action and been clsoe to the owner has help up fine going on 3 years



EDIt - did also forget to mention that a good friend of mien bought the s14 RUCAs and they bent under barely any load within 10 days of them being on, no track or drift events within that period of time...

['90RPS13]

Yeah, I have never seen anything good come from there suspension arms. I got a set of Motoria RUCA's in a trade and a few of the welds rusted out within 2 weeks of me getting them. They were still in the box when I acquired them. Havent put them on yet so, IDK? *a

[nevaland9]

I had a SSAC Turbo on my KA-T like a year ago and heres my story.

-SSAC T04E
-SSAC top mount manifold
-Unknown 38mm external wastegate
-Tial 5psi spring.

and this is what happened, we put the kit together started the car up in the shop it ran and idled fine but the turbo was making a loud humming sound. I pulled out of the shop and drove down the street the more i accelerated the louder the humming gets. Then it starts making a grinding sound and as i try to pull back in the shop the whole engine bay goes up in smoke.

when we pulled the turbo off, the fins looked like they were chewing on rocks and it was leaking oil.

When the turbo was sent out to be rebuilt the shop said the turbo looked like it wasnt built & balanced properly. and when they sent me the turbo back it was a completely new garrett turbo.

after that it ran amazing.

[s13driver240sx]

I just want to bring this thread back to life because I recently acquired a XSPOWER turbo for only $150 from a guy who was selling EVERYTHING in his garage. This brand new turbo was laying there and I picked it up with the quickness because $400 brand new is good but $150 brand new is amazing.

[sepulchral]

so let us know how it works out

[s13driver240sx]

Well I'm just assuming that most of the XSPower turbos must work, cause they sell hundreds of turbos every week, and you're not gonna hear about people bitching that they DO work, only the handfuls of those where the turbo DOESN'T work. If you look at their ebay feedback, most of it is good, stating that the turbos work great. If they sold junk turbos all the time, then they wouldn't be in business at all, but most of the turbos must work if it keeps making peeps come back to buy more

[bardabe]

makes me wanna get one for my RB lol jk jk

[sepulchral]

i know alot of honda turbo owners that use these xs power turbos, their complaints are that the turbos are leaky hence their cars burn oil... but the turbos make good power... my friend has 260hp on stock door b18b integra w/ dsm injectors and uberdata and a custom top mount using xspower's "t70" driving it daily.. gutted the car runs mid 12s