No more norcal.

[blu808]

Hey guys. I didnt try out for formula d texas, and san diego because i wanted to drift with my friends. well it turns out we all suck. I will be selling my car, trailer, and all parts. the reason being. No more drifting in nor cal.


Anyways. wish this dream of mine could have been somthing. and i wish you all knew how much this meant to me. this was all i cared about. and now i dont know what my life has for me.

Luke.

gimme a job. lol

[FaLKoN240]

Is this what you're talking about?

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=109646

[sw20>>s14]

ncda.net is making it sound like its prosponed/pending...

but youre making it sound like its over for good...

which is it? that fuckin sucks...alemeda is really mean to dday/ncda...

for the last time...its not a sideshow *sigh*

[i8yourfwd]

:( nooooo goddammit... i am of the sads..

[rewplayff]

and me and my buddy were looking forward to this first one so bad too. i hope its not all over, then i'll have to sign a different petition stating that i'm gonna be endagering lives drifting on the street becuase theres no safe place for me to do it. i'm kidding, i'd just sell my car.

it makes us monkeys cry

[nokeone]

so wait...is it really done forever or just, once again, postponed?

[cfrost]

........sweet!

[blu808]

Fuck you Colin. lol. btw FU


Noah. Whatever this is. Its not looking good.


Btw CF thinks he's the shit. lol :ughd: :ughd: :ughd: :fawk: :fawk: :fawk: :naughty: :naughty: :kiss: :yum: :yum: :yum: :yum:

[!Zar!]

This is fucking gay; the situation, not the thread.

[gbond15]

........sweet!

you suck :goyou: :wackit:

[AutoRnD]

so how much u selling ur trailer for =)

[santacruisin]

ITS NOT OVER!! Don't give up on NorCal drifting. We just have to get creative and dig in deep like the Vietcong! Guerilla Drifting until we are FREE!

[phrozen]

this is like a kick in the face... we try so hard to have fun and keep cars off the street so we can actually keep our cars and not in the impound... if therse no event on friday were all gonna chill anyways, i nkow all u damn ppl have the day off so were gonna hang out like usual. i will keep u guys posted with deltail

[95Blue240sx]

^^^Yeah might as well do something that day since we all are free.

[FaLKoN240]

I was thinking a No NCDA sulk day meet too. Since we all probably already have the day off.

[cfrost]

my reputation for the above post:

lol
fuck you
fag
fag
haha. Anyways. Im not gonna get into this. but I think i will be moving down to socal if i keep giving a shit about this stuff.

it's not like drifting is over for norcal, you guys will find another venue and find another way to drift legally. Look at what happened in San Diego w/ drift circuit. They put on some kickass events, a car hit a tree and now they can't run anymore...so they're looking for other places to drive and in the mean some of the SD guys are making the drive up to wsir for events. I know some guys that even drive up to buttonwillow from down there.

Good luck with the petition thing

[OMGWTFBBQ]

word
we should all chill anyway

[lilredstiffy]

Lots of people across the country drive lots of hours for events. To give up because there aren't any locally is lame. Find another venue or just take road trips, be a man

situation does suck though.

[s0ldats]

Aaaaaahhhhhhuuhhghghhhhh My Pussy Hurts

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

This does suck but its not the end of the world. Hopefully other venues can be found.
More Buttonwillow events!!!

[Scooter]

This is the kind of (shit)/stuff that perpetuates illegal racing!!!! Take away the legal venues and what do you have

1. a bunch of pissed off drifters/racers who want race but can't which will lead too...

2. a community/ society that feels that illegal racing should be dealt with because it's dangerous for "our kids and others" (very true)...but wait...oh...that's right they tried, but took away our Freaking places where we could go drift and have a good time legally!

Because of what?? Permit issues?? Come on!! Look, I’m not going to knock the DDNORCAL or NCDA at all, but the city and (state if necessary) I am. They should really take a hard look at what's not being done! And that is getting illegal racing off the streets! If the "cities" continue to cancel events because of (what ever it is...permits)...they need to have a reality check.

Event providers such as DDayNorcal and NCDA are busting their a55es to get racing and drifting legal and off the streets. What happens when they succeed, they get knocked down by the city because of permit issues or that a representative of the council "believes it promotes side shows" Come ON!!! Where’s the FucN' sense. IMO Take away our venues and there will be more Freakin' side shows and more kids dying because they have no where to do it but the Street. This is Asinine

See you guys on the Streets!!!
-Hung-Wen >_< one more ****ed off person!


p.s. if there is anything that can be done let's try! it's all we have and have nothing to loose

[BayS13]

wow thanks to the fuckin meth head hicks out in tracy. good job faggots

[Jonnie Fraz]

Hey guys. I didnt try out for formula d texas, and san diego because i wanted to drift with my friends. well it turns out we all suck. I will be selling my car, trailer, and all parts. the reason being. No more drifting in nor cal.


Anyways. wish this dream of mine could have been somthing. and i wish you all knew how much this meant to me. this was all i cared about. and now i dont know what my life has for me.

Luke.

gimme a job. lol

Luke,

You cannot be serious about giving up on your dream. Like how others have said it does not mean the end of Nor Cal drifting just a minor setback...well maybe a medium size setback. Truly if drifting is your dream then this will not kill it. By quitting now you will be letting the few ruin it for the many that want to see you make it to the big time.
Just my thoughts

[sr240mike]

wow thanks to the fuckin meth head hicks out in tracy. good job faggots

That was well thought out and relevent. NCDA events are still posted on Altamont's site. Who knows exactly why NCDA can't be at Altamont. Is it really about Alameda County permits? I know they are hard to deal with.

[95zilvia]

I heard the news this morning and it definately makes me sad.
Actually, it ruined my whole day. Actually, it ruined my life.
I don't know what I'm going to do with the car now, and when I will ever be able to drift.

[Irukandji]

I guess I'll be driving down to socal a couple times this year


can't wait til ncda is back up and running

[Dousan_PG]

stop w/ the drama queen routine luke
move to socal
guys moved from east coast to west coast to drift more
world wont end.

[DJPimpFlex]

yea socal sadly is the place if you wanna drift a lot.

[TurDz]

I was about to say what Aaron said. Just move to Southern Cal...or better yet...JAPAN! lol

[blu808]

Indeed. Socal is the place to be. However sounds like some of their venues have allready been shut down.

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Yeah but then you have to live in So Cal. Yuck.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

moving to bro cal is not an option.

something will be figured out
night drift isnt over

[dct223]

very very sad news... stuff thats been bothering me and that ive been thinking about randomly today..

so..... alameda lets nascar race at altamont, which have cars that are probably louder and more non environmentally friendly.... but doesnt allow drifting???

i wonder if its becuase night drift will be on a thursday and not a weekend like nascar...

and what about last year??? alameda just all the sudden changed their mind?

sounds more of altamont being fishy but yeah who knows WTH is going on... altamont's website does show drifting every first and third thursday.. lets hope THEY actually will short this out instead backing out.. but its not looking that way.

[cfrost]

qualcomm and ca speedway

we still have willow springs, irwindale, and now, thanks to drift buffet, el toro :)

[luckyrb13]

This fing sucks I rushed so hard to get my car together before this event and now its cancelled or taken away forever. there has got to be some kinda of legalities that can be worked out. THe fact that so many people were suppose to go to an event already and the city then decided to pull the permits, just seems like its unjust there has to be something we can do. I mean if this event is closed down atleast we can try and fight to make one for a later time. iam so butthurt right now. aghhh

[phrozen]

the nice thing about altamont is that its cheap. and its central to everyone pretty much less then an hour away from any of the usuals that show up... we can run thunder hill or buttonwillow still, but its 150 and event and its 2+ horus atleast to get there for most ppl. norcal drifting isnt over, drifting for cheap at altamont is. for all you ppl that dont say give up, u swear its just like ok we show up at the track and they let us in. theres alot more to it i.e. permits, insurance, blah blah blah. its not over its just gonna get expensive now

[fliprayzin240sx]

Wut the fook ever happend to infineon? Didnt NCDA had a couple of events there a couple of years ago? I mean if they let NASA and Formula D do their shiet, why cant you guys do it there too? Umm...also, anybody tried to check out areas in frisko and sac? I know NASA have some events at the old McClelan AFB grounds in Sac. Ive had friends who literally auto-x at the old runway!!! Same thing in frisko, aint there an old navy base in alameda??? You guys should see bout trying to get a permit for that kinda shiet.

[Dousan_PG]

willow springs isnt
neither is irwindale (requires suit)

willow springs 2-3 times a month.
fuck cone dodge.

cali speedway might open up again
what else was there? quallcomm? duh we knew that wouldnt last, not rocket science there.

buttonwillow is still around too.


as far as the distance goes
we drive 2 hours + (seomtes 3-4 hours) to get to willow springs. big whoop.


wouldnt count on el toro lasting too long. and the surface SUUUUCKS! omg its the worst.

[wanganwonder]

fucking emo kids

go turn off the lights and listen to linkin park while you cry

[nokeone]

u guys just don't understand how much this meant to us up here...=(

[HerbReal]

If we take this matter to the County city council and all of us drifters/enthusiasts show up at their meetings and bring up this matter im super sure there will be a second chance for us people. as long as we back it up with good representation to show the council members, I.E.A drifting event in a enclosed private course will keep away the trouble makers(Wanna be drifters/touge kids) from doing speed exhibition on freeways and mountain roads. Plus by doing this, more counties will spread this news and we could probabbly get more places I.E. SF or Sacramento etc etc to let us have events hopefully every week. its a lot of people force and it doesnt hurt to try. This thursday would have been my first drifting event and i was actually looking very very forward to this and for the past week i have been searching begging people for parts for my s13 and take my friends time to help me work on my car. Norcal drifting shouldnt be a phase, for most of us its a life's sport so dont give up peeps, lets get this rolling.

Herb
[email protected]

[infinitexsound]

f'n BS i tell u..... this is why i drink so much because of retarded stuff like this.... if altamont doesnt happen... im selling my car and forgetting about slidin...

[cfrost]

hey guys, I'm thinking about organizing a group buy on kleenex, anybody interested??

[Yuri]

Seriously, If you guys want to drift in the meantime, just drive down to Socal for events. Back in 2003, I lived in the midwest, and had to drive 10 hours one way to get to the nearest event, but I did it for love of the sport. I moved to Socal to be able to drive more. If you guys truly love drifting, then you will find a way to do it, no matter what gets thrown at you.
What happened in altamont sucks, but don't let it ruin the rest of your lives.

[DoriftoSlut]

Shit is getting expensive EVERYWHERE.

Just Drift is $105 entrance, but WSIR charges $10 per person at the gate (wtf). So $115.

Drift Day is $120 cone dodging. $150 if you sign up "late" or some shit.

Buttonwillow is $130-150




How much was Altamont? and what will it be at if you could get it re-opened? Listen... talk to people about getting a new venue available for your use and they'll listen... when you bring up how much $$ they stand to make. Yeah, ideally everyone in the world would do things just out of love and passion, but flash the $ sign at some old croagies who own a parking lot/track and all of a sudden figures start scrolling through in their head. How many race car drivers also own a track? Not many, most track owners don't drive anymore and are concerned with $

[phrozen]

altamont last season it was 50 bucks an event, this year the price was 60 bucks. cheapest and funnest events, it was nice to see the usuals even tho we live up to 3 horus away from eachother it was nice to see everyone every other thursday,

[phrozen]

guess its time to fix my sc300 and vip it and put the s14 in the garage

[FaLKoN240]

You SoCal guys sure are funny. . .

You would all probably kill yourselves immediately if drifting events got cancelled. You don't care when you lose ONE of your venues, we only have one, and it seems that we have lost it, instead of being dicks, try to see where we're coming from.

There's a thread on www.NCDA.net on potential plans and solutions to this no ND thread.

[DoriftoSlut]

Ok, so what I am saying is offer them to hold events at $100 a head per event, cover their fucking insurance, cut a nice little profit, and get them to ahem.. "handle" that permit issue.

Fuck.



I don't mean to be rude or anything guys... but that's like getting free lapdances from a stripper all night and then she asks for you to buy her a drink for the next song and you guys get all butthurt. Fucking pay like eveyone else then you can sneak a couple of grabs or tell her where exactly to ride it and rub her little you know on your uh oh. I mean c'mon.

Point is, again, $. In this day and age, you can't have events related to "street racing", like people call it, and expect everyone to be ok with it and "yeah yeah go go" supportive. We aren't drag racing 32 Ford and 57 Chevy hotrods. If that were the case, America would let us do whatever we want, where ever we want b/c its part of this nostalgiac Americana image. Sad but true.

[Dousan_PG]

You SoCal guys sure are funny. . .

You would all probably kill yourselves immediately if drifting events got cancelled. You don't care when you lose ONE of your venues, we only have one, and it seems that we have lost it, instead of being dicks, try to see where we're coming from.

There's a thread on www.NCDA.net on potential plans and solutions to this no ND thread.

actually smart guy, NO
we lost mm let's see

camarillo
cali speedway
irwindale (outside) and inside requires suit and grip of cash
streets of willow (we only use balcony and oval now)
hmm el toro (but its coming back now)
quallcomm


you guys lost..what 1? 2 places?

please.

hawaii lost their track and i can think fo at least 3 people who moved out to california to persue drifting and shipped their car.

if we lost drifting here i would move as well. no doubt.
i love it that much.

[balmo]

that 2 places is THE only local places we had.

[Dousan_PG]

so hawaii had one..and its gone.
and people moved here
whats your point?
moving from hawaii to california is a bit farther and harder then moving from norcal to so cal or driving

let's see...8 -10 hour drive
or shipping your car for 3 weeks and cost about 1k
plus all your ownings and finding new job/new place to live.
you do the math

[FaLKoN240]

Yeah, because moving away from your job, family, and everything else that means alot to you for something that I may attend once or twice a month makes sense. It's a hobby, not a means of living.

[Dousan_PG]

well if u arent serious about it then yeah make the drive
depends how badly u want something
go the distance or make some sacrifices. thats all it is
at the moment i'dmake the drive
save the vacation and road trip to seattle or portland for an event.
yeah i'd do it.
i cant get enough. ill sacrafice it all
i mean i already dumped way to much into the car. thats a waste right there.

if you wat something you'll get off the internet and bust your ass to do things.

but maybe thats just me tlaking in my old age and expirience. (im 27)

[DoriftoSlut]

Well of course don't move!

Get a move on... getting them to open the track to you guys. THink about the stripper! You guys WERE paying $50... We used to pay $100. Now its up to $150 some times. Avg of $120+.

Show them that they would be getting 200% in profits and i GARUANTEE some more doors will open.

[FaLKoN240]

Well, on the NCDA forums, I already said I wouldn't mind paying $100. I don't know what's going on, I'm just saying that NOT having the event at all is the worst part. I'm not complaining about the event fee, YET.

[balmo]

i do not have a point, im just letting you know we only had two locations here. its really sad to see that ncda got cancelled. but i do wanna drift.

so right now, im looking the the next justdrift event.

[rewplayff]

looks like i'm stuck drifting on the ps2 for now. it can't be over, i don't see why the altamont officials would be bias against us. how else would they make money those thursday nights. its hard to believe that the altamont officials would be against us people who attend and worship their track. as for those street drifters, imitation is not the most sincere form of flattery here.

infineon is fun

yeah i don't think my hunger strike is working guys, especially since i'm at home. and- *thud*.....

[santacruisin]

I would say there is much more going on surrounding the demise of Night Drift than just "permits." We have been screwed by somebody and it probably isn't just the county of Alameda.

[phrozen]

whats with all the bitching. jesus christ. plz close this socal has their tracks we have our tracks... we just have to make use of other venues until those get shut down too and shell out twice the price... stop all the bitching and shit this is stupid

[DJPimpFlex]

yea I'm down for $100-$200 an event if we can find a good venue (not cone dodging). I plan to tow my shit to socal as soon as its ready to go again too, but I'd rather have some local shit going on. Also at track days people act fuckin stupid and this reflects badly on NCDA and the drifting community. Thundergrip, 13 ppl off first lap, G&S1 people hanging out the back of cars on the track drifting trying to get footage, shit like that. We all have to come together as a community and stop being fuckin retarded and show them that drifting is serious and not something that just comes and goes. Its just so hard with all the hard parking posers ghost riding there whips ect.

[gbond15]

the reason it shut down had nothing to do with the cover charge being 60$. NCDA was covering it by charging that. We paid that cause we wanted to get more people to get off the street and on the track. If we had to charge $150 we would have. All it comes down to is Altamont officials dont want NCDA there in general. I can see events happing there in the future but run by the track itslef and them charging 200$
im upset because they pulled the plug three days before the event was supposed to happen. I will probrobly end up driving down to socal for events but i would've rather had a norcal amt. series that was stress free of that shitty drive. oh well ,shit happens, who cares.

lets driving:2f2f:

[BigVinnie]

I think what we need to do is get a rally of every one that was going to attend for this thursday's night drift. Stand at the gates and call channel 2news, that there is an uproar at altamont raceway, maybe the city council, owners of Altamont, and the county of Alameda will hear us out and understand our ploy, if we make it an issue. I took the day off work tomorrow, I say we raise hell and do something about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blu808]

Well todd and i will be there tomorrow turning people away.

Come join us if you want.

[santacruisin]

There is one track...El Calle Speedway. Open 24 hours with open passing and 10^5899 miles of tarmac. Track Marshall is a bitch tho.

We all wanted to be legit but now, meh, who cares?

[YUNG DRIF]

mannnnn wtf first dd then this. i waited for months and i get on the comp tonite to read its been cancelled man fukked that i bought hella tires and some more shit got my car prepped . i couldnt even sleep some nites cause of the fukkin track and noww this. so how did this get cancelled and is there people still goin to altamont to chill or something . were is a teenager gonna go dumb at. im tired of gettin tickets

[mooboy]

From NCDA.net:

At begining of 2006 we sat down with Riverside Motorsport whom is the managing company for Altamont Motorsport Park to secure the park for the 2006 season of Night Drift. Mr. Kenny Shepard the general manager who was filled with anticipation and excitment promised us the track will go through construction and agreed to host the 2006 Night Drift season. As spring comes along so did the rain and caused a construction delay and cancellation of the first 2 scheduled Night Drifts which no one could prevent. During early April we got the word that the county of Alameda was having some concern over drifting and is requiring a hearing and petition to reconsider allowing drifting.

However the May 18th Night Drift was still promised a green light from Mr. Kenny Shepard but all participants have to show good behavior in order for the county and authority to futher consider drifting at Altamont. During first week of May Mr. Shepard claimed to witness 5-7 unindentified cars showed up at Midway road in front of Altamont race way on May 4th and were driving wrecklessly. After a personal meeting with Mr. Shepard on May 9th he instructed Henry Ahn and I to send out the message and gather all NCDA supporters and driver to promise good behavior with signatures before he "feels" confortable with hosting the May 18th Night Drift. On May 15th I contacted Mr. Shepard and was prepared to show him over 100 signatures that were gathered and to discuss details to prevent complaints and enforcing rules against wreckless driving on Midway road. On evening of May 16th which is less then 48 hours away from May 18th Night Drift I recieved an E-mail from Mr. Shapard stating "you need to put the word that there is no drifting at AMP during this month or until we get the permit problems related to drifting resolved." All the way until this Email was received by me NCDA was under the assumption by the promise of Mr. Shepard that May 18th Night Drift will go on. I just want to share with you what happend and what took place. NCDA staff and I feel we have done everything we can to put Night Drift 2006 on the map without any negligence. It is my deepest regret the effort to organize Night Drift 2006 has to end this way without Altamont being recognized for the problems they caused at the expense of having NCDA's marketing credibility ruined. All I ask now is for fellow NCDA supporters to stick together while the combined force of corporations and government are all against amateur drifting.

Thank you for years of support.

Todd Ho

[santacruisin]

That means if we want any chance of NCDA Night Drift at Altamont then NO TOUGE or STREET DRIFTING in ALAMEDA COUNTY!!!!

[DJPimpFlex]

no touge or street drifting anywhere. That shit will just make your car shittier.

[monkey7]

I e-mailed Altamont's events manager and this is what I got.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We are continuing to work with the drifting associations to try and get
several drifting events on the schedule. Keep an eye on the web page we will
try to keep you updated. JIM

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Question about the night drift

[BigVinnie]

Well to me it sounds as if Kenny Shepard realized he can make all the money to himself. Why the fuck would of anybody showed up on May 4th, it doesn't make any sence to me unless who ever did it was extremely retarded. If he is looking at a petition of 100people he knows that he can easily double that on a Thursday night for himself, he is basically going to make his own revenue.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

^^ if thats the case..
he screwed ncda to make $$ for himself.. i say we boycott

guess we just have to wait and see though

[YUNG DRIF]

ok so i went down to altamont , saw there was no cars or nothing, waiting for some one to come , and it was so tempting to go on the track cause the gates was open but i didnt cause i was smarter than that. then i start talkin to a white guy that worked there , sayin they love any kind of racing and support drifting , he said some damn crazy mexican doode lives rite next to the track and he was the one complainin and thats how the permit issue came in or some thing sayin it only takes one person to mess things up , and i forgot the rest. i have a problem focusing i have adhd

[BigVinnie]

^^ if thats the case..
he screwed ncda to make $$ for himself.. i say we boycott



Of course he did, all business men do is steal other peoples ideas when they have the opportunity and call it there own. I wouldn't be surprised if Kenny Shepard reopened Altamont in 2 weeks from now with his advertising and a $150 to drift on the track, and $10 to watch, sounds like he's getting greedy like Infineon Raceway. After all it's under new management at Altamont, and they just spent a couple hundred thousand to redo the pavement. There not stupid and they will open it up to us they just don't want the NCDA to have any control of there motorpark. The only way to do that officially is to discredit the NCDA, and that sucks ass.
Here is where the real complication lies, the NCDA didn't make a written contract agreement, but if the NCDA was to take it to court under verbal agreement, all I can say is a huge pay out to the NCDA no matter what the stipulation is. Kenny agreed the use of the track, renigged on his agreement, and is discrediting the NCDA that technically they were the violators on there complaint.....Thats not how the law works, Kenny is wrong and could be up shit creek if NCDA choses to take legal action.
Just think about it for a bit, what if the NCDA put thousands of dollars into advertising over this agreement.. NCDA would of gone broke, and it would of been Kenny's fault...

[YUNG DRIF]

mannn i hella thought about that ur hella smart, were hella smart that has to be illegal backin out on a written contract sayin its ok then backin out cause of something happeinin non related to the track , jus start threatin shepard like im gonna take this to court boo ya

[BigVinnie]

sayin its ok then backin out cause of something happeinin non related to the track


Bingo.... NCDA was unable to take responsibility for any actions taking place on May 4th (IMO if anything really happened), it was also that it would not be open on May 4th. There is NO PROOF that they were drifters or anyone associated with the NCDA on May 4th for that matter, after all the claim was wreckless driving not drifting.......
The NCDA is being punished by Kenny renigging an agreement.

[blu808]

Ok todd and i just got back from altamont. I have to say that viewing the new track is breath taking. I could picture the tires smoking, and cars sliding. Unfortunatly we did'nt get a chance to talk with the management, so todd and i just sat at the front gate to see if anyone showed up. Which they didnt.

A interesting thing i noticed was that there was no skid marks on any of the streets close by or in the altamont property. The only marks were from people locking up their brakes.

I call bs on altamonts claim.

[downshift_sideways]

Ok todd and i just got back from altamont. I have to say that viewing the new track is breath taking. I could picture the tires smoking, and cars sliding. Unfortunatly we did'nt get a chance to talk with the management, so todd and i just sat at the front gate to see if anyone showed up. Which they didnt.

A interesting thing i noticed was that there was no skid marks on any of the streets close by or in the altamont property. The only marks were from people locking up their brakes.

I call bs on altamonts claim.

I agree 100%, this is basically a Scam. Sad day for me.... I was really counting on going. My friend from OC came up to my apt. this week with his s14. I couldnt get ahold of him...to tell him it was postponed.

so we had our own fun (Partying)

[YUNG DRIF]

mannnnnnnnnnn thats wat i said there was no kind of marks hes jus makin shit up . i drove out there like at 1 and was there till 3 hella bored dribbling my b ball wit my friend

[FRpilot]

if ncda sues altamont.. it only brings bad blood into the mix.. altamont can pay ncda whatever the amount it.. the amount might be a huge amount to us, but probably is a small sum to altamont since they have millions into their business. then they can refuse NCDA to ever use their track and they can still advertise and open up their own events. of course, we can boycott.. but for how long? some people might "break" like unionized workers on strike and just go to their events b/c its a nearby track.

[!Zar!]

so we had our own fun...
... :hammer:

[OMGWTFBBQ]

so we had our own fun

I hope by that you meant you made out or something

[dct223]

so we had our own fun...

GOOD JOB!!!! you should re-read all the altamont night drift drama and have a revalation that your no better off than those punks who had their own fun around midway road.

A+ for being retarded

[downshift_sideways]

Hahahahahaha, I just realized what you guys are talking about, I should edit my original post. . . We ended up drinking @ my apt. with other guys...
hahaha editing now...b4 i get pwned some more..

[NemeGuero]

boycott altamont

[OMGWTFBBQ]

if it came to a boycott..
it would only take like 2-3 events for them get the point i think
if we passed it on to club4ag and stuff

[Ritz S14]

Do you think boycotting the Altamont will really work? We've all been waiting for a nice track. Hell, we've all been waiting for A track. Boycotting it, will probably just make things more disappointing. The "re-discovery" of the Altamont, is a dream to many, especially to those locally. It's not going to get very far, and people will eventually break if they have that drive in them. Of course what they're doing is fucked up, but as the underdogs, what can we really do? They have what we want, and we damn sure want it BAD.

If you guys decide to boycott it, it can't just be on drift events, it has to be on every event. To get the message across, you guys would have to be there on all of their events. If you have a car, I'm sure you have a job. With a job, I doubt you'll have the time to picket on their every event.

[theicecreamdan]

I'll drive up from San Diego to boycott that shit.

[P4rD0nM3]

blue808, come here in Grand Junction, CO. Track every weekend for you to drift. $65 drift all day.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

I do think a boycott could work
if they hold their own drifting event and we got as many people as we could to not participate, I think we could get to them then maybe work something out
if you've waited this long to drift, why not just wait a bit longer untill we resolve things

[NemeGuero]

I do think a boycott could work
if they hold their own drifting event and we got as many people as we could to not participate, I think we could get to them then maybe work something out
if you've waited this long to drift, why not just wait a bit longer untill we resolve things


Word.. at least we can do it once or twice like he said..
If nothing stirs.. we can cave..

[BayS13]

Hahahahahaha, I just realized what you guys are talking about, I should edit my original post. . . We ended up drinking @ my apt. with other guys...
hahaha editing now...b4 i get pwned some more..

drinking with some other guys at the apartment. hahah that jus sounds funny

[DJPimpFlex]

its gunna be hard for me not to drive while all you guys are outside. Track all to myself.....mmmmmmm. I'll just have to take the bike so I cant drift.lol

[NemeGuero]

Unless its raining.. !! MUHAHA

[rewplayff]

http://www.altamontracing.com/amp_messagetodrifters_051806.pdf is this letter on zilvia.net yet?

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

I had not seen that. Thats good news right? That means there is a chance NCDA can continue. Hopefully this all works out well.

[BigVinnie]

if it came to a boycott..
it would only take like 2-3 events for them get the point i think
if we passed it on to club4ag and stuff


Defenitely this isn't just a problem for 240owners, we need to send a message/boycott to everyone within the AUTO X/ drifting communities.
If it's just us at Zilvia technically we aren't putting a dent in Kenny's pocket(so then we might as well join the crowd), this means we need to drop a bomb (noy literally) and drop it hard. This means we also need to send the message across to the domestic car forums as well.

[FaLKoN240]

OMG, I have revived my faith in Altamont, I have a reason to live again!

[dct223]

sounds like good news from altamont...

there goes altamont with their potty mouths again... first saying couldnt get permits.. now they say they had to cancel it due to the complaints..

but all and all.. glad they are tryign to make it work

[BigVinnie]

I had not seen that. Thats good news right? That means there is a chance NCDA can continue. Hopefully this all works out well.

No thats not good news. He has shortened and trickled down half of the season, and is telling NCDA that "you have been very bad and therefore are on probation.."
There defenitely will need to be some rules implemented if this really happens....It's all still hear say Kenny hasn't promised anything like he said he would.....He is also discrediting all the hard work that NCDA has put into events.......

[dct223]

not really 1/2 the season... anyways last year a few of them got rained out... and it was still OFF DA CHAIN!

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

I disagree with your interpretation. I did not read that NCDA had "been bad" but that neighbor complaints have been severe and constant. Yes we have already lost one event, and maybe more. However, if there is the chance that we can get back on to the track at all, its better than nothing. How is NCDA being discredited? The guy is not promising anything now. Only demanding that any illegal driving on Midway stop. I don't really think that is NCDA's responsibility but it is not an unreasonable demand.

This is starting to sound like a "rebel and stick it to the man" but all this started because of immature ricer brats.

[NemeGuero]

I won't hold my breathe...

I hope this turns out well.

[blu808]

All you guys need to do is look at it like this.


The neighbors complain after every event whether it be nascar, or drifting.

People allways drive retarded too and from events.

If altamont was making money on drifting it would'nt matter how many complaints they got.

With them saying that we are on probation they are giving themselves the power to ban all events hosted by ncda.net which they will.


poo

[DJPimpFlex]

well I say we do what they say and try to get some events in. If it is sincere and it does work, doubble woot for the drifting commuinty. If not were back where we started. Once again, I'm down to do whatever I can.

[NemeGuero]

well I say we do what they say and try to get some events in. If it is sincere and it does work, doubble woot for the drifting commuinty. If not were back where we started. Once again, I'm down to do whatever I can.

+1

messagelength

[BigVinnie]

With them saying that we are on probation they are giving themselves the power to ban all events hosted by ncda.net which they will.


Agreed everyone is looking at this on a small scale, people need to look at it on a larger scale, and realize that they want NCDA out of the picture....

[jaae86]

.....just dont be surprise if Altamont throws their own drifting events. They know they can make a good profit out of this....

[blaze1]

The people at altamont dont seem that honest.

I agree with those that say people act like coming too any type of motorsport event. But drifting is new to everyone else except us so we have to be on our best behaivor because they still dont understand its basicly just like any other motorsport when it comes to the actions of the people who participate in it. So that means we need to be on extra extra good behavior, and i mean role to the track in a quiet calm behavior and leave in a quiet calm behavior like your going to church. Rais hell on the track but leave it on the track, but seriously if they do own there own drift or auto x events even though Im in so cal I will be glad to spread the word for a boycot!!!

[BigVinnie]

The fact is when you go to baseball or football games you don't see the county of Alameda closing Raiders and A's games. There are also more DRUNK reckless drivers that leave those games, than probably at a motorsports event.
Really it's no different than going to a NASCAR event and guzzling booz all day and then driving home swerved.
Altamont is out of line.......

[NemeGuero]

Those are larger venues tho, and do bring in lots more moolah.

[Irukandji]

This is starting to sound like a "rebel and stick it to the man" but all this started because of immature ricer brats.


word





I'll take what I can get... 2 events? Awesome, I'll be at both.

Hope everything works out for us.

[kansei]

Talk to your rep.

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

The fact is when you go to baseball or football games you don't see the county of Alameda closing Raiders and A's games. There are also more DRUNK reckless drivers that leave those games, than probably at a motorsports event.
Really it's no different than going to a NASCAR event and guzzling booz all day and then driving home swerved.
Altamont is out of line.......

Absolutly.

I was very hopefull when I saw that letter. But NCDA says they have already done that and the 18th was to be the probationary event. More of the bigger picture becomes visible. As was stated by others already, looks like if there will be drifting at Altamont NCDA won't be a part of it. That sucks.

Hopefully drifting will return to Altamont one way or another.

[BigVinnie]

All this is really is discrimination against drifters in the motorsports community. Really we are no different from auto-x, we actually follow alot of the same rules and safety guidlines that most people have to follow when on the track. Really I feel the NCDA needs a lawyer, if there isn't any action taken then drifting in the state of California will only be looked at as "wreckless drivers doing wreckless driving". Drifting takes alot of patients and focus and it doesn't deserve to be taken away from us just because people of higher power do not understand.

[slider2828]

Guys... I dunno wassup with the reading skillz, but they aren't saying anything potentially bad against drifters at all.... They are just saying that we need some plan to try and enforce the driving habits of people to and from the events. Let it be speed limit or how people drive. I for one have seen someone slide completely off the road and into a ditch while driving to the event right off the freeway. That is stupid and bs.... They are very clear and very business like in the tone that they are talking to us, especially giving us guidelines of what we need to do to continue drift events at the track. Secondly, the letter was written to NCDA and the drifting community, if I for one was to write a business letter, that is the way I would write it.

I go to MBA school to learn about how business operates and Altamount is a business not a run of the mill place. They spent probably millions to resurface the track and god knows they want to make that back. I see that they are already putting a good foot forward in giving us two trial runs at drift night and that we SHOULD come up with a plan to stop people from driving recklessly on the way up to race track. It is a residential district all the way up to the track and we should respect that.

I think NCDA should come up with a plan to keep track of potential problems off from the freeway to the track. If you look at Sears or Leguna, they have staff standing, directing traffic from the freeway right up to the gate. That is the way it should be. Secondly, you SWEAR you can really drive that fast after the Raiders games, have you seen the traffic that comes outta that stadium, you couldn't even do 30MPH up to the freeway. I should know I live near there.

Bottom line is, they have given two test drift nights and trust me they don't have to. It is up to NCDA to figure out a plan to direct and keep an eye on traffic flow from the freeway to the race track. Like a high class event at Leguna or Sears, I for one believe that this will give us an awesome presence there and WILL give us some great exposure to the drifting scene that we are NOT running some underground drift competition.

In response to some of the criticism here as well, auto-x has rules but that is in the actual competition and from what I grasp from the letters and previous information, our problem is with the way we get TO and FROM the track, not the even itself. Remember where the track is located? Marina air field is middle of no where and so is areas around Golden Gate Fields and bla bla bla..... Altamount is middle of residential district. Auto-X events have signs and people leading from the freeway all the way down to most of the events. If you guys ask yourself if you ever sped to the track, I say most of you probably have and I think I have done as well. As they say, you speed 1 mile over 25 or 35 speed limit, that is speeding period; going to the track is no different. I love drifting and I have prepped my car since the last NCDA event last year, if they are telling us what we need to do, then do it. Don't b!tch. We can b!tch if we did EVERYTHING in the guidelines that they put forth and they still shut us down.

At this point, I for one will do everything in my power to get drifting out there. Let it be the people dedicated running the corners to me standing out there on the road at night waving those light sticks off the freeway and keeping an out for speeders or whatever. That is part of the sport and setting it up is the hard part. The REAL big picture is that we want a driftng event to happen, LETS SUCK IT UP AND DO IT.....

I still give much props to Todd and All the NCDA staff and people who like drifting and work at the events. Less not fall apart at the last second.

[NemeGuero]

But see, none of us here are responsable for the ass-clowns that the complaints were filed against.

We are all patiently waiting for this and have enough respect to drive safely to and from Altamont.

[slider2828]

Yah I completely second that what you say.... but to them see us all as the same thing. Drifters.... it sucks ass, but that is what makes a community. We pick up what other people f...ed and support the sport.... It sucks but that is for the love of the sport. I mean yah there are probably rumors of altamount being shady or people really that jacked up, we can't confirm that, but lets look to future and see how we can prevent it. I mean as a contingency we can say to the Altamount people that during the events we can try and stop speeding and reckless driving, but other than our events time, that is local enforcement crap. That isn't our problem.... We just gotta be smart....

[NemeGuero]

I mean as a contingency we can say to the Altamount people that during the events we can try and stop speeding and reckless driving, but other than our events time, that is local enforcement crap. That isn't our problem.... We just gotta be smart....


But isn't this what they're making our problem now? I mean, I guess I understand because they can't single out those responsable that they just target all of us...

but I wanna drift... and I'm not a jack-ass. And I want those idiots to die. shit, I'll park out there and turn them in myself if it means we get to have our track.

[BigVinnie]

We are all patiently waiting for this and have enough respect to drive safely to and from Altamont.


Agreed, and if Kenny will infact let people use the track, maybe NCDA should work with local law enforcement for those days given to keep the bad apples off the track and away from us. I don't think NCDA deserves what he is calling a probation period.
I think calling up the local law enforcement on those days between those hours is a good thing, and fine by me as long as I get to go to the track.
City makes money on violators that drive wrecklessly to the event, and NCDA took responsibility to inform law enforcement that this wreckless activity is not condoned.

[DJPimpFlex]

Well thats all true, but we have to do something. I propose that we have people standing outside on midway, checkin cars comming it and reminding them that if they speed they will be cruisified promptly. I can stand out there if nessicary.

EDIT: Law enforcement on midway is probably not a good idea because a lot of us drive illegal cars to and from the track and I would hate to see people get there hood poped on the way to the track.

[NemeGuero]

Well thats all true, but we have to do something. I propose that we have people standing outside on midway, checkin cars comming it and reminding them that if they speed they will be cruisified promptly. I can stand out there if nessicary.

With Molitov cocktails ready to be thrown at speeder's cars.. like sticky grenades in Halo...

[DJPimpFlex]

fuck it man, just get me some of the plasma grenades.....

[slider2828]

Well, I think based on the message from Kenny, it seems like they want a plan from NCDA for NCDA's drift events. If they start talking about us watching out for potential f..ckbags not during our events, then that is totally on grounds for complaints from us as a community. I am patiently waiting for Drift Night as well.... Lets hope Todd, Luke, and the rest of the seniors of NCDA drift night make it work and that they know we are supporting them. They have a good resources for us to help out, and hopefully they utilize that. All we can do is show the community that at the VERY least the 240Norcal ownerz run strong and together....

[NemeGuero]

But do you have sticky grenades?!

[slider2828]

There we go.... we get some positives out there.... I mean that is what I was talking about to my friends who wanna participate in their first year of Drift Night. I will stand out there with DJPimpFlex telling people to slow down and direct them to the track.

You guys ever heard of why they have greeters at KMart and sh!t. It was the psychological factor, basically greeters tell other people to be aware and welcome them to the event (store). It has been know to cutdown shoplifting my 50%+ I mean this works the same way.

This can work the same way. "Just something like welcome to drift night, please slow down and respect the neighborhood. And like good drifting." I mean light battons help too cause god off the freeway I tell you in the dark, I can't see the right turn to get up to the track..... Missed it so many times. hahahaha

Damn S13 headlights, can't see sh!t hahahaha....

I second that no local enforcment during drift nights on midway.... kekekek with the previous reason in mind

[BigVinnie]

I'll particapate in keeping shit heads away from the track as long as the NCDA is willing to offer me some track time for help and support. I find it to be a fair trade since I wouldn't be getting paid.....
I'm willing to show the community my support, if Kenny allows this to even happen.


EDIT: Law enforcement on midway is probably not a good idea because a lot of us drive illegal cars to and from the track and I would hate to see people get there hood poped on the way to the track.

I don't think law enforcement wants to pop peoples hoods. Sending cars to impound is costly. The state and local government make more money on speeding violations, and wreckless driving. Checking for illegal equipment takes up too much of there time, when compared to speeding and wreckless driving tickets that could be written.....If someone is caught breaking basic laws then that is more of a reason to get the hood popped. So I think it comes down to that we can't break simple laws......

[NemeGuero]

I would think the $1,000 + fine for removing from impound covers the costs..

[BigVinnie]

I would think the $1,000 + fine for removing from impound covers the costs..

But in the amount of time that officer has to wait for a tow truck, that officer could of written out 3 to 4 more tickets. Officers don't even ask to pop the hood unless a person is already in violation of the law anyway......

[EchoOfSilence]

Whatever needs to happen in order for this to happen... i'm down.

The situation's really wierd... I've heard of tracks being made MORE accessible to drag-racers to keep them off the streets, not them shutting people down because they street-race

[NemeGuero]

But in the amount of time that officer has to wait for a tow truck, that officer could of written out 3 to 4 more tickets. Officers don't even ask to pop the hood unless a person is already in violation of the law anyway......

My friends have gotten hoods popped while filling up at a gas station..
Well.. that was back in the days of Milpitas street racing.. a looong time ago.

[DJPimpFlex]

well as soon as we here something from altamont and NCDA, we can go from there.

[BigVinnie]

My friends have gotten hoods popped while filling up at a gas station..
Well.. that was back in the days of Milpitas street racing.. a looong time ago.


DAMN that fuckin sucks ass. Sounds like a cop was having a bad day...

Anyways just installed a new magna flow muffler 2 1/2" in, 2" duals out.....
I guess I reved a little to high, the officer claimed that he pulled me over for loud exhaust. So what does he do instead. He wrote me a ticket for failure to comply with DMV my change of address, and my front plate wasn't attached. Didn't even right me up for modified exhaust, or even care to pop my hood....
I was also being a major dick to the cop because he really pulled me over for nothing, wonder why he chose not to further insue inspection of my vehicle?????

[RSP13-Sideways]

^^ We'll be hearing from them during June obviously, assuming Todd gets everything together quickly to rectify this situation.

[NemeGuero]

Originally posted by big vinnie "it looks stock, but is it really?" MUHAHA

just dickin' with ya.

Well, it was a ricer car.. in the middle of the night when the runs were poppin' off in Milpitas still.. so .. he was profiled.

[DJPimpFlex]

^evan gets profiled all the time.. People arround here hate aztecs..lol

[NemeGuero]

LMAO.. Aztecs..

We're gonna fight, you and I!!

[Agent_S13]

I thought I'd put my 2 cents in here about this issue, only because I'd like to attend more events in NorCal.

This might not even be a track issue, but a local city/gov't issue. If you compare the other tracks in the area, they're in the middle of nowhere, away from homes and whatnot.

Altamont is now surrounded by homes and developments, that's not the track's fault, but the city gov't who approved the buidling of these homes, right? I honestly blame the city gov't for deciding that to expand housing, you start building super-close to a racetrack. Who was the idiot who agreed with that decision?

It was probably the same idiot who believed that a racetrack existing in a community could co-exist together. They got greedy and believed that taxes and revenue from both the racetrack and from property-taxes were going to help fund the city to greatness.

I've read that Altamont has been around for decades (wasn't there some sort of concert held there in the 60's listed in another thread?) so the houses definitley have to be much newer and the people that they attract --- young couples wanting to start families --- have no real love for a racetrack in their backyard, including being on the major roads leading to it, which is why the complain on any aspect of poor driving behavior and noise.

Usually when a conflict like this happens there is only 1 real answer --- shutting down/closing and demolishing a Altamont. Fuck its history, the local city believes that it will be much better with a new development of housing there instead. You get citizens complaining about the behavior on the track once and track officials could be pressured to shut it down every day. When was the last time NASCAR came? Even if it comes this year, will the economic revenue be enough to make city officials look the other way?

I'm sorry, but even if you all go to a city meeting to complain, how will you respond when they ask you how long you've lived in their city? I don't live there, I don't pay taxes there, I have no vote in their affairs so why should my voice count in saving the track? They're going to completely ignore us unless we can convince them that the track is a cash-cow for the city. I know the track is trying to make money, don't say they're doing NCDA a favor by hosting these events --- they should be damn happy you guys are filling up the track/stadium with events because I bet it sits empty on Thursday nights with no revenue coming in whatsoever (think a hotel and its occupancy rate -- so more events is good for business) I honestly believe that NCDA is doing them a favor by requesting to use their track.

I hate to be Devil's Advocate here, but I think it might be a losing battle. The higher costs of living here in the Bay Area have forced many people to consider other places to live and commute to the major metropolitan areas. I live on the Peninsula and real estate is insane --- so moving out (especially towards Danville, San Ramon, Pleasanton and Tracy) is the only option. Guess what suffers? Altamont --- because people want affordable housing, which these cities are buidling in droves and the track sits on very profitable land now.

This just may be a cause of the growing economy of the Bay Area. Think about it, Altamont has been there forever but it may have been an eyesore to those in their city developmental group that thought of the housing (and cash) that go along with it.

Southern California may be our only hope because how much longer before the citizens start complaining about the "pollution" that comes from the race cars or the excessive noise (if they don't do so already?). Its not that the NCDA that's treading on thin ice/probation, but probably the track itself. Any kind of negative press, including a city gov't that probably doens't support the track at all will get it to be buried and closed down.

I hope that someone who's familiar with the city gov't and its affairs (aka a citizen of that city) would be able to provide us with some insight.

I just hope that what I wrote above is really wrong at that both a racetrack and its surrounding community (and neighbors) can co-exist peacefully.... that or I continue to request that people who moved here during the "Dot Com" boom finally realize that they don't belong here (sorry no more jobs and you're working for peanuts) and move back to wherever the hell they came from. Though I don't think that'll happen unless people start filing for bankruptcy due to their interest-only loans... but that's for another post. :x:

-Aaron
'91 240sx coupe

Sorry for the rant so here's the Cliff Notes Version:

1) Track is surrounded by too many homes, unlike other tracks
2) City is greedy and I think they believe they can make more money from housing (property taxes), taxes from local businesses than the track itself
3) Us going to protest won't matter, none of us are citizens in that city and don't have much say in anything, do we?
4) The economy of the Bay Area is growing and changing, Altamont is just a victim of this new/growing economy and will probably be left behind.

[slider2828]

That is a great post, but that part is what done is done. But we aren't saying protesting any more based on what Kenny said through the PDF earlier in the thread. I think the best thing to do is start posting on ncda.net on how fellow zilvian's are willing to do their part in helping NCDA get it on for good at altamount.... Easiest solution at this point....

[Russian Mob]

The out come of Altamont has definitely turned out unexpected to say the least. People will do what they want to do and there is nothing NCDA could do if drifters decides to drift at Altamont at their own event or event hosted by other group. NCDA has a proposal to potentially eliminate or minimize wreckless driving and is ready to show AMP management and the community a long time ago. However NCDA was told that there will be "No drifting at altamont until the issue has resolved" well the fact is there has been drifting at AMP at this point and seems like there will be more which all are not affiliated with NCDA. However NCDA will still present the proposal to AMP and the community if they still wish to view it. NCDA has no knowledge if other drifting events are required to have a proposal and probational restriction placed on them like the ones that are placed on NCDA.

[95zilvia]

Yeah. This shit is bananas.

[blu808]

im over this shit. all i wanted to do was drift. im tired of all this. i just wish we could have track days without all the politics.

[RSP13-Sideways]

Just get it done, whatever it takes I don't care. I'll give a donation, pay more at the track, sign a petition....

just get this shit back online.

[dct223]

so i hearing another organization is doing thursday night drifting at altamont...

that really sucks, giving NCDA, the people who started drifting in the nor cal area, the biggest shaft...

and serously... damn politics

[BigVinnie]

so i hearing another organization is doing thursday night drifting at altamont...


Altamont's management is running some stupid drift thing. I'm not shure if it is on thursdays though..... Yeah fuck Kenny Shepard.:madfawk:
Does this mean the end for shock and the NCDA????? What is the plan of action?????

[CleanS14]

so i hearing another organization is doing thursday night drifting at altamont...

that really sucks, giving NCDA, the people who started drifting in the nor cal area, the biggest shaft...

and serously... damn politics

Guys,

This is Jay... I'm sure some of you know me... some may not. If you don't know already I'm the one hosting the Thursday night event on 7/6. I'm not trying to give NCDA the shaft at all. It was my intent to help everyone that got the shaft on 5/18 like I did. And if you don't know. I don't even have a car to drive/drift right now. I am coming out of my pocket 100% just to make this happen for you guys... seriously. I would like all of your support politics and BS aside... I need you guys to be honest with me becuase I am investing a lot of money to make this happen.

Just let me know if you want me to cancel the event... it seems like there is so much negativity around the event and I have no idea why. I just feel like nobody understands why I decided to try and make this happen.

I'm just like all of you... I love to drive/drift and I loved my S14 when I owned it. Because I could help I thought I would try... but it just seems that everyone only wants to support NCDA. I've supported everyone NCDA, Drift Association, Just Drift, Green Flag, Shelby Club, Unlimited Laps etc... why can't it just be an event that Norcal guys can come out to? Would it have been better if it was on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednsday? I'm just so confused because I thought everyone would want to go drifting... but instead everyone is giving me a hard time for being some AMP staff or something.

Just so you know... I sponsor my damn self by working hard at NVIDIA Corporation... and yes, I do have the means to host an event on my own. I thought that I could help Norcal Drifting stay alive by doing this and I would appreicate it if you would stop acting like I have some agenda or intent to shaft anyone. Me hosting this event is not going to be an ongoing thing... it was meant to be a fix for those of you that did prep and save for 5/18 and weren't able to drive (since I know there were so many of you).

So I would like you to register and support the event or let me know if you think it's a bad idea so I can get out now with only minimal loss.

Thanks!

Jay

[phrozen]

jay its not that we dont support you. were just sour abou the whole thing right now and feel betrayed, not by you but by all the politics and bs. i love that your keeping it alive where we left off for now its great, you have to understand where we are coming from also, we used to have soo much fun at a hilbilly track in the middle of no where. it used to be like 50 of us the normal ppl every other week, were all friends we all knew eachother on more then just a car base. there was no politics 50 bucks all day and it was nice too see everyone, it wasnt even soo much about driving but having fun and running it the way we wanted. on an off thru the day i feel like weve been stripped of what we had which was "fun". Jay this really has nothing to do with you besides timing of the whole thing might have offended some and also the name is similar, when ppl first lok at it some might think that u were copying us and out there to make a profit. its not even about that in the long run but its just how it seems at first. My support and love for this will always be first and foremost ncda where it all started for most of us, its not that i dont want support someone outside of our family its just takes getting used to. its like a family when someone new wether it be a step mom step dad new born it takes time to accept and adjust. I hope Ncda gets back in gear and hope things go well with DB. i hope i have expressed most of our feelings and cleared up all this bullshit. theres not beef between anyone its just politics and timing. ill just slap some huge ncda stickers on my car at every event showing my support for the old timers.

[CleanS14]

jay its not that we dont support you. were just sour abou the whole thing right now and feel betrayed, not by you but by all the politics and bs. i love that your keeping it alive where we left off for now its great, you have to understand where we are coming from also, we used to have soo much fun at a hilbilly track in the middle of no where. it used to be like 50 of us the normal ppl every other week, were all friends we all knew eachother on more then just a car base. there was no politics 50 bucks all day and it was nice too see everyone, it wasnt even soo much about driving but having fun and running it the way we wanted. on an off thru the day i feel like weve been stripped of what we had which was "fun". Jay this really has nothing to do with you besides timing of the whole thing might have offended some and also the name is similar, when ppl first lok at it some might think that u were copying us and out there to make a profit. its not even about that in the long run but its just how it seems at first. My support and love for this will always be first and foremost ncda where it all started for most of us, its not that i dont want support someone outside of our family its just takes getting used to. its like a family when someone new wether it be a step mom step dad new born it takes time to accept and adjust. I hope Ncda gets back in gear and hope things go well with DB. i hope i have expressed most of our feelings and cleared up all this bullshit. theres not beef between anyone its just politics and timing. ill just slap some huge ncda stickers on my car at every event showing my support for the old timers.

Thanks for the clarification... so are you saying I shouldn't host the event? It's just very disappointing that anyone would see this as trying to copy NCDA or anything like that.

I really wish Don/Todd would chime in... so we know what they think. I am friends with Don and Todd. Even from the same team back in the day with Don :: SYMPHONIC... I would never do anything to jack any of you or those guys.

I know what you're saying, but the longer you guys sob about this stuff... the more time passes by... I heard NCDA is talking to Altamont, what happens I don't know... I would have honestly just liked to participate in an event... but since like I said I don't have a car to do so... I figured I'd help get everyone out there again.

What I need to know is if this practice event should be cancelled or not... I don't see why our events can't be like the old NCDA ones... nobody's asking you not to have fun... cuz that's what it's all about.

At least that's what I thought...

[YUNG DRIF]

wait how much 150 bucks ahhahahaa , now u see why we support ncda.

[blu808]

Maybe because were the ones that kept drifting alive in nor cal. You guys are just a bunch of show car owners who were allways scared to come out to altamont because of the walls. Now that Altamont is finally safe you parking lot drifters decide to host your own events. You guys in my book are the detriment of drifting. Your website is all about selling shit, and not the love of the sport.

Your forums look like this.

Drift unit shirts now on sale.
Drift unit Shoes now on sale.
Blah blah blah.

NCDA.net never tried to get people to sponsor their events because as long as we could just cover the cost, we didnt care about making money we just wanted people to be on the track.

It is unfortunate that ncda was afiliated with some reckless driving, or some how pissed off altamont. I have dedicated countless hours, and money to keep drifting alive in nor cal, and now people are just throwing us away.

[Psycho 240 Freak]

They're trying to take away our cars and our sport from us. Don't give into those haters. When drifting gets outta control on the street, maybe they'll figure it's not going away and realize a legal event was the better idea.

[CleanS14]

Luke, who dismissed NCDA or anything like that? And how/when was I personally scared to come out to Altamont because of walls etc. If you don't know I travel a lot for work and actually have a job that requires more than an 8 hour day. I could not make it to Night Drift events because of that.

It is great that you show your maturity in your post by attempting to attack people calling them "parking lot drifters"... if you didn't know I am a road racer first and a drifter second, so please stop your lame attempts and shit.

Who said that I own Drift Unit or anything like that and why is it the detriment of drifting? Your attitude is more detrimental in a sense that nobody wants to deal with someone that is an asshole.

Yes, DriftUnit is a BRAND... thus it is for selling shit. How can you judge the love of the sport for someone you're not?

Thanks for trying to poke fun at the forums... but like I said it is a brand and that's what brands do. It's actually very successful if you didn't know.

Our cost is high... BUT... We're trying to do it the same way you guys did... just get people on the track.

Don't act like you're helping someone by not being supportive... I thought everyone was cool... but I don't see why not.

So it sounds like I should just stop the events... since you and the NCDA guys/followers aren't very open minded about much.

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Different people have different aproaches to cars and what they love about them.
I can't even begin to imagine how you must feel about NCDA's treatment by the Altamont staff, but I can understand that you are pissed off. I am pissed off by it. But if the Altamont management wants NCDA out of the picture for whatever reason, I don't think its fair to come down on the guys behind DriftBattle.
What it comes down to is driving. Me personally, I will be there because I love to drive. I am sorry you feel this way about DriftBattle, but I belive that they are doing this for the reasons Jay listed. Namely the love of driving!

[blu808]

Jay i didnt say it was you. I was just saying thats what drift unit in general seems like. Dont get me wrong, I believe that any events are better than no events, I also do understand the increased cost, but you have to understand that i had nothing to do with the profit or cost of ncda. I never even got paid. With you not attending our events. Thats fine i wasnt refering to you. I was speaking generally about drift unit and how they could allways be found at any parking lot event, but never at altamont. Which is fine, im not hating on that, im just stating that back in the day when we were drifting into walls, and on shitty pavement no one was around.

I think your events will do fine, in fact i think if anyone host events at altamont they will do great!

I also think that driftunit can provide much needed media attention, and bring in sponsors and such, which is a big plus for norcal drifting. Im just clearly stating that with all our expierience it hurts that everyone would just throw us away like this. So dont take it personally.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

I guess it goes both ways. Driftunit, which is more of a buisness if you ask me, can bring attention and sponsors to help keep the drifting scene going. But at the same time thats what ruins drifting, just look at D1 or forumla d.

[CleanS14]

Jay i didnt say it was you. I was just saying thats what drift unit in general seems like. Dont get me wrong, I believe that any events are better than no events, I also do understand the increased cost, but you have to understand that i had nothing to do with the profit or cost of ncda. I never even got paid. With you not attending our events. Thats fine i wasnt refering to you. I was speaking generally about drift unit and how they could allways be found at any parking lot event, but never at altamont. Which is fine, im not hating on that, im just stating that back in the day when we were drifting into walls, and on shitty pavement no one was around.

I think your events will do fine, in fact i think if anyone host events at altamont they will do great!

I also think that driftunit can provide much needed media attention, and bring in sponsors and such, which is a big plus for norcal drifting. Im just clearly stating that with all our expierience it hurts that everyone would just throw us away like this. So dont take it personally.

Cool... just a misunderstanding I guess...

You should also note that this is not a Drift Unit event(s). It is being hosted by myself... Drift Battle is owned and operated by my company AVID Industries, LLC.

Please support us guys!!!

[Krazy Bunta]

Hi everyone, this is Don, formerly with NCDA and still a friend to all drifters.

I was deeply saddened for my friends when I learned May 18th was not going to happen.

I'm going to be a little critical, but I say it with all due respect.

Jay, much of your information about NCDA (regarding this season and 2005) is incorrect, please don't rely on third parties for information then post it assuming its fact. There are some hurdles, they may not have presented them to you, but they are there and real.

Luke, stop being such an ass. Someone is making it happen, thats a GOOD thing. And don't assume an entire organization shares the same opinions you do, make your opinions your own.

I'm still a friend to NCDA and DO support Drift Battle's efforts. NCDA is not a lost effort, I've been asked to help mediate some permit issues, and am consulting with NCDA leaders, and will continue to field questions from other individuals and organizations attempting to host events. There are GENUINE issues.

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

But at the same time thats what ruins drifting, just look at D1 or forumla d.

Those events have to be like that. Its a spectator event. Drift Assocation has been sponsored for a long time, and they are doing well and still bringing events to enthusiasts. I doubt anyone would say they have ruined anything about drift.

[phrozen]

hey don so is there gonna be ncda this year? it would be nice to see you at the enterance gate and make u a sandwhich and give u a soda lol. haha hope to see you don

jason

[phrozen]

jay dont let our emotions offend you. we support what your tryign to do were just sour right now tahts all

[fliprayzin240sx]

It sucks but i think people need to put 1 +1 together at this point. Altamont is shafting NCDA out of the picture. $60 driftnights a thing of the past. The question now is, are we gonna lament on this or is norcal gonna decide to move on and get over it? If you cant get over it...what can you honestly do at this point other than make your own track or find another venue. Sure everybody can say "FOOk altamont, here i go street drifting again." But is that seriously gonna be your outlook? Take it to the street and be a public nuisance and bring more negative lime light to drifting in general. Oh top of that, can you afford getting nailed for wreckless driving or exhibition of speed on the street where cops will nail you to the cross for $1k fine plus a nice lil impound fee? It sucks but its comes down to politics, business and MONEY.

[blu808]

KrazyBunta: Im not trying to be an ass Don. I think it was a missunderstanding due to my wording. If you look at my last post i think it cleared it up. Also i was not speaking for ncda, i was clearly speaking for myself.

As i said before. Any events are better than none. I do hope that we can get some ncda events going this year, but either way it looks like there will still be drifting in norcal which is a plus.

Jay: Are you guys going to have any competitions?

[cfrost]

edit: nevermind you guys will get pissy :bite:

[sonnysmr2]

Jay: Are you guys going to have any competitions?


the first event will just be a practice event, i am working with altamont and drift battle to get some competitions going........

[jaae86]

I think at this point, you can clearly see that money talks. Thank God Jay has tons of it!!! =) Altamont knows how much this sport has grown and of course they want to profit from it. NCDA charges $60 per driver and Altamont see that there is no gain there if they continue to support them. Especially after renovating the whole racetrack. I support Drift Battle, Drift Day, Private Events and NCDA will always do so. By you guys working as a team, I think Norcal has a chance to make things happen! So Jay, DONT CANCEL JULY 6TH!!!

Disclosure: This is just how I feel and how i see things are flowing. My intent is not to offend or put down any groups. PEACE!

[YUNG DRIF]

ncda and shock drifting made drifting big in norcal

[CleanS14]

Hi everyone, this is Don, formerly with NCDA and still a friend to all drifters.

I was deeply saddened for my friends when I learned May 18th was not going to happen.

I'm going to be a little critical, but I say it with all due respect.

Jay, much of your information about NCDA (regarding this season and 2005) is incorrect, please don't rely on third parties for information then post it assuming its fact. There are some hurdles, they may not have presented them to you, but they are there and real.

Luke, stop being such an ass. Someone is making it happen, thats a GOOD thing. And don't assume an entire organization shares the same opinions you do, make your opinions your own.

I'm still a friend to NCDA and DO support Drift Battle's efforts. NCDA is not a lost effort, I've been asked to help mediate some permit issues, and am consulting with NCDA leaders, and will continue to field questions from other individuals and organizations attempting to host events. There are GENUINE issues.

Sorry Don! :duh: This is why I was waiting for you to chime in. Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry for coming to false conclusions on anything that was not factual. I generally by profession am not like that...

[CleanS14]

Jay: Are you guys going to have any competitions?

August 26th... we're trying to do it BM Hai style for the non-pro unfunded folks... hopefully we can make this work.

We need everyone's support... hopefully July 6th is a success!

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

We need everyone's support... hopefully July 6th is a success!

Yeah! Come on guys, quit yer bitchen and drive!

Execpt for the hyphy kids. You guys need to commit suicide by eating dog vomit.

[sonnysmr2]

Yeah! Come on guys, quit yer bitchen and drive!

Execpt for the hyphy kids. You guys need to commit suicide by eating dog vomit.
:werd: REGISTER ASAP!!!!

[nokeone]

fuck yeah i'm down....who cares who puts on the events...it's all drifting...

what sucks is the way NCDA was treated...that is where the beef should lie...

and $150?...sure, that's what most So Cal or Buttonwillow events are...if Altamonts new track is as nice as it looks then i'm not surprised the price has gone up...and as long as it's a good event with plenty of track time i don't see why anyone would have a problem paying that...90% of the posts i read were people saying they were willing to pay more if it meant drifting...hopefully that wasn't all just talk...

[mooboy]

Guys,

This is Jay... I'm sure some of you know me... some may not. If you don't know already I'm the one hosting the Thursday night event on 7/6. I'm not trying to give NCDA the shaft at all. It was my intent to help everyone that got the shaft on 5/18 like I did. And if you don't know. I don't even have a car to drive/drift right now. I am coming out of my pocket 100% just to make this happen for you guys... seriously. I would like all of your support politics and BS aside... I need you guys to be honest with me becuase I am investing a lot of money to make this happen.

Just let me know if you want me to cancel the event... it seems like there is so much negativity around the event and I have no idea why. I just feel like nobody understands why I decided to try and make this happen.

I'm just like all of you... I love to drive/drift and I loved my S14 when I owned it. Because I could help I thought I would try... but it just seems that everyone only wants to support NCDA. I've supported everyone NCDA, Drift Association, Just Drift, Green Flag, Shelby Club, Unlimited Laps etc... why can't it just be an event that Norcal guys can come out to? Would it have been better if it was on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednsday? I'm just so confused because I thought everyone would want to go drifting... but instead everyone is giving me a hard time for being some AMP staff or something.

Just so you know... I sponsor my damn self by working hard at NVIDIA Corporation... and yes, I do have the means to host an event on my own. I thought that I could help Norcal Drifting stay alive by doing this and I would appreicate it if you would stop acting like I have some agenda or intent to shaft anyone. Me hosting this event is not going to be an ongoing thing... it was meant to be a fix for those of you that did prep and save for 5/18 and weren't able to drive (since I know there were so many of you).

So I would like you to register and support the event or let me know if you think it's a bad idea so I can get out now with only minimal loss.

Thanks!

Jay


The reason for the negativity is because you are holding your event at altamont on thursday which makes you a scab (to borrow a union term)

So I wouldn't take it personal but people have a lot of appreciation for what ncda has tried to do for norcal drifting, and having another organization jump in, especially when ncda was still trying to do their thing seems wrong.

[cfrost]

The reason for the negativity is because you are holding your event at altamont on thursday which makes you a scab (to borrow a union term)

would you rather not have events at all?

seems like you guys aren't happy that you have drifting readily available again. its not like he bumped ncda, right?

it sucks they're treating ncda like crap, but you guys should be happy you have events again and do your best to support it so they keep doing events (imo)

good luck everyone with keeping the events going up there. :o

[Russian Mob]

Why does drifting has to have so much gossip?

[Russian Mob]

I am sure NCDA will charge $125 or higher if they need to. I think the point NCDA is making was not who has more money from who to pay who, if the track wants more money then the organizer will just raise the price very simple. I think it was that AMP pulled the plug 2 days before and seemed to feed them wrong info. was the issue NCDA has. I remebered hearing Altamont said there will be no drifting at Altamont until the permit issue has been resolved.... well at this point if the permit issue has been resolved then great, if not then Altamont perhaps spit out another questionable excuss to keep NCDA out because there has been drifting at Altamont and looks like there is going to be more, but any one can go to AMP except NCDA. It is great to see that there is event at Norcal again snd it would be interesting to see how the rest of the year goes.

[CleanS14]

The reason for the negativity is because you are holding your event at altamont on thursday which makes you a scab (to borrow a union term)

So I wouldn't take it personal but people have a lot of appreciation for what ncda has tried to do for norcal drifting, and having another organization jump in, especially when ncda was still trying to do their thing seems wrong.

I too have appreciation for what NCDA has done for drifting up here in Norcal... but I don't see how I am a scab or any other thing... I'm throwing one event and the August event like I have repeated over and over again... and while everyone is sitting around waiting for an event to happen I took the intitiative to find out how to make it happen cuz I thought everyone was really anxioius to go drifting like I was. If you don't want to drift that's fine... but no need to call anyone a scab or anything else... as I mentioned before... would it be any different if I had the event on a Wednsday? It was proposed... but it was the day after the holiday and it wasn't a good idea. Lastly NCDA does not own the track neither do I... and I'm sure there will be other orgs and private events hosting events on a Thursday... are they too scabs? Just be an adult about all of this stuff and you'll realize all of this talk is worthless. Let Don/NCDA handle their business and you make the call if you want to come out to our event or not.

Not having NCDA events does not mean there is "No more norcal" as the title of this thread suggests... it just means that someone else may start hosting the events or not... NCDA is one org there are tons of others in Norcal, one being Drift Battle. We are all very cool people... not looking to make enemies... but friends... hopefully.

[BigVinnie]

Guys,

This is Jay... I'm sure some of you know me... some may not. If you don't know already I'm the one hosting the Thursday night event on 7/6. I'm not trying to give NCDA the shaft at all. It was my intent to help everyone that got the shaft on 5/18 like I did. And if you don't know. I don't even have a car to drive/drift right now. I am coming out of my pocket 100% just to make this happen for you guys... seriously. I would like all of your support politics and BS aside... I need you guys to be honest with me becuase I am investing a lot of money to make this happen.

Just let me know if you want me to cancel the event... it seems like there is so much negativity around the event and I have no idea why. I just feel like nobody understands why I decided to try and make this happen.

I'm just like all of you... I love to drive/drift and I loved my S14 when I owned it. Because I could help I thought I would try... but it just seems that everyone only wants to support NCDA. I've supported everyone NCDA, Drift Association, Just Drift, Green Flag, Shelby Club, Unlimited Laps etc... why can't it just be an event that Norcal guys can come out to? Would it have been better if it was on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednsday? I'm just so confused because I thought everyone would want to go drifting... but instead everyone is giving me a hard time for being some AMP staff or something.

Just so you know... I sponsor my damn self by working hard at NVIDIA Corporation... and yes, I do have the means to host an event on my own. I thought that I could help Norcal Drifting stay alive by doing this and I would appreicate it if you would stop acting like I have some agenda or intent to shaft anyone. Me hosting this event is not going to be an ongoing thing... it was meant to be a fix for those of you that did prep and save for 5/18 and weren't able to drive (since I know there were so many of you).

So I would like you to register and support the event or let me know if you think it's a bad idea so I can get out now with only minimal loss.

Thanks!

Jay

Wow I go to sleep for 2 hours and look at all this. First off not to be a hater, but don't you find it's kind of funny how the NCDA was drop kicked out of the scene, and in under 2 weeks you come along hosting a drift event on 7/6. I thought that liar Kenny was going to offer NCDA an opportunity of a PROBATIONARY period for the month of July to get the track back with a plan of action? seems as if you let the cat out the bag. Some people may be stupid but I'm not.
Just the fact your backed up with sponsorships for the events, the Altamont management finds it to be a much more profitable and lucrative business. In no way did you help in the support of the NCDA as much as you say you are by taking the opportunity to schedule on a planned thursday drift night that was ment for NCDA. It sounds shady, I would rather boycott the event in hopes that the NCDA can come back with an opportunity to prove them selves of there responsibility and financial obligations as well. I am yet one man while these FF3 kids ride in teeny bopper packs.
Regardless of what I say there will be that following of FF3 kiddies that just want to see drifting, so yeah it will be profitable for you and your CORPORATION. It's just fucked that you can stoop so low to schedule on a night that should of gone to the NCDA. Have some respect for your fellow drifters and atleast plan for a day other than thursday.
You are using this as your advantage because people are getting hungry for a drift event that they were promised, and you plan to cash in the big dollars at the same time....Whatever have fun shafting the NCDA, I hope your record profits sell your soul to the devil...

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Goddamnit Vinnie STFU go back and read what Jay is saying. He is going to break even on the event. If the other affilated businesses make money then great! Good for the local economy and motorsports economy.
All motorsports start small and grassroots. Grassroots motorsports is now big business. If you don't like that sell your car and go live in a hippie commune and stich hacky sacks

[mooboy]

I'm also curious how a "permit issue" doesn't effect drift battle as well?

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

I'm also curious how a "permit issue" doesn't effect drift battle as well?

Go back and read Jay's posts. They got the permit from Altamont

[OMGWTFBBQ]

didnt ncda say they raised their price from $50-60 in order to compensate for the new track 'rental' charge??
how does that work, did ncda plan on letting 2x as many people in as you are planning to?
if there was a permit problem anywhere a long the line, how has ncda not been cleared to carry on their season as originally planned, but you are good to go. Another thing, they said they need a plan or some shit to keep the wreckless driving around the track under control, did you have to do anything related when working out a date with altamont? Cause you didnt mention anything about it.

[mooboy]

Go back and read Jay's posts. They got the permit from Altamont

Hmm. Can't find can you quote it?

[CleanS14]

I'm also curious how a "permit issue" doesn't effect drift battle as well?

I have no idea man... I asked about it and they mentioned that they did not have some SCCA permit or whatever??? (I don't know if that was it, but that's what I was told)... but I never intended to go around NCDA or anything... this is all weird man... I'm just going to let the kids cry about it and the adults do their business.

I'm not shady man... everyone that knows me knows I'm the most upfront/honest person I can be... don't judge be unless you know me. I'm not doing that shit to you people... this is just frustrating. I can't believe I'm still willing to lose money for the people that are so unappreciative.

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Hmm. Can't find can you quote it?

I can't find it now either.....maybe it got edited. Dunno.

[blu808]

Scca has nothing to do with a tracks unconditional use permit.

Thats like saying you cant build a house because home depot didnt give you a permit.

[BigVinnie]

Goddamnit Vinnie STFU go back and read what Jay is saying. He is going to break even on the event. If the other affilated businesses make money then great! Good for the local economy and motorsports economy.
All motorsports start small and grassroots. Grassroots motorsports is now big business. If you don't like that sell your car and go live in a hippie commune and stich hacky sacks


Whatever I support the NCDA, Jay obviously doesn't. I'm boycotting based on PRINCIPLE....

[mooboy]

I have no idea man... I asked about it and they mentioned that they did not have some SCCA permit or whatever??? (I don't know if that was it, but that's what I was told)... but I never intended to go around NCDA or anything... this is all weird man... I'm just going to let the kids cry about it and the adults do their business.

I'm not shady man... everyone that knows me knows I'm the most upfront/honest person I can be... don't judge be unless you know me. I'm not doing that shit to you people... this is just frustrating. I can't believe I'm still willing to lose money for the people that are so unappreciative.

I'm sorry you took it that way. Like I said don't take it personally. Not calling you shady. Just trying to figure out logically whats going on here. Just seemed like you weren't sure why there would be negativity. So I provided the most likely reason. I'm glad you are out there trying.

But on another level completely seperate from drift battle trying to have an event, if you can make your event happen, the question remains as to why ncda could not have the exact same event? If you can have your event then that makes AMP look a little shady no?

[OMGWTFBBQ]

^^
ya, i was wondering wtf that meant
why would a permit from a non-related/connected organization matter
not necessarily blaming jay.. could be caught up in altamonts bs

[blu808]

Absolutly not blaming jay.

I am blaming Altamont for the confusion.

[cfrost]

nice location there luke

[FaLKoN240]

This is stupid, you guys should NOT be looking at Jay as the cause of the problem. He's just rectifying and offering another solution.

You guys can boycott and all the bullshit you want, you're just throwing more politics into the problem. Instead of worrying about all that BS, why don't you just go out and drive? Or are all of you still bitching about the double price? Granted it's more expensive than NCDA event fare, it's still cheaper than driving all the way to Buttonwillow (not to mention the gas it takes to get there/back, and food, and lodging.)

You guys are missing the picture and look like a bunch of whiny ingrates. While I too am not happy with the pricing, I'm sick of sitting and watching my car lose it's meaning. I'm going to be at these events, as many as I can afford in fact, and you guys should too.

It's just like the price of gas, there's nothing you can really do about it, either pay up, or don't drive.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

I think, at this point there are too many un-answered questions to really be able to make a definate conclusion.
However, Altamont is being super shady. Im not sure whatsup with jay, everyone has their own speculations. The whole situation is shit

[CleanS14]

didnt ncda say they raised their price from $50-60 in order to compensate for the new track 'rental' charge??
how does that work, did ncda plan on letting 2x as many people in as you are planning to?
if there was a permit problem anywhere a long the line, how has ncda not been cleared to carry on their season as originally planned, but you are good to go. Another thing, they said they need a plan or some shit to keep the wreckless driving around the track under control, did you have to do anything related when working out a date with altamont? Cause you didnt mention anything about it.
As I mentioned before... I don't know what the old rental fee was, but it was less than it is now. So I can't speak to the old price... if you don't like the price that's fine and I am sorry I cannot accomodate you. AGAIN and for the final time... I am only breaking even at $125... maybe not even since myautoevents takes out 3% per entry. I don't know what NCDA's plans so please don't ask me.

Okay here's the deal. I acted in a very professional manner... some of you know me and wouldn't think it, but I work for a multi billion dollar company in sales. I can be all business Jay that closes deals for millions or the cool Jay most of you know. In this case I acted as the professional all biz Jay with Altamont. Most people can tell how you and your group will conduct themself from the respect/professionalism you convey when you speak to them either via email or over the phone or any communication.

I cannot answer any of your questions and honestly I don't care to because I have nothing to do with NCDA, it's issues or Altamont and issues. I am hosting and event if you wish to come great! If not that's okay too... but please PLEASE will everyone just act like adults and stop all the BS kid talk.

[mooboy]

Also on the money front, the reason for ncda's lower pricing is because they were very creative and did a lot more work. (spectators, volunteer emts, brought own trucks for towing services)

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Whatever I support the NCDA, Jay obviously doesn't. I'm boycotting based on PRINCIPLE....

I dissagree with your assesment, but thats fine. I respect that you stand by your principles.
I support DriftBattle. I support NCDA. I support anyone who spends their valueable time and energy to bring motorsports to enthusiasts.
I am going to take this opertunity to drive, sorry about all the bullshit. It shouldn't be that way.

[CleanS14]

I think, at this point there are too many un-answered questions to really be able to make a definate conclusion.
However, Altamont is being super shady. Im not sure whatsup with jay, everyone has their own speculations. The whole situation is shit

If you're not sure what's up with me just ask... if it's an honest question that I can answer I will... I don't have anything to hide everyone that knows me knows that.

Mooboy... okay that's wonderful. I was trying to have a quick solution... I guess I will try and do the same... but for now all I know is what my cost will be so AGAIN... I'm just asking for everyone's support.

Oh and we weren't thinking of charging spectators because if possible we would just like the drivers + 1 passenger, staff/volunteers. This way we know that all of you are responsible and aren't the guys out there making the locals file complaints etc.

Hopefully some good comes out of this... it really bothers me though that people would consider me shady or doubt my intent.

[CleanS14]

Also on the money front, the reason for ncda's lower pricing is because they were very creative and did a lot more work. (spectators, volunteer emts, brought own trucks for towing services)

I would like to be creative, and I do have some experienced people helping me plan this event... If anyone knows where I can find these volunteer EMT's etc that would be cool and of course the next event would be much less.

Please be patient with us sincethis is the first event. Just know we'll do all we can to ensure you have a good time and get good seat time.

Why is it that everyone is just so negative... if you want to offer advice, I'd love to take it. I need all the support/help I can get... okay this is old... can we just put a fork in it already?

[tbowzer]

It would be cool for ncda to always run things at altamont but its not meant to be. NCDA was/is viewed as a scapegoat at altamont, there are alot of excuses/reasons why but its all a bunch of political mumbo jumbo. I am glad our friend Jay has set up some events for us norcal'ers-don't complain just because someone different is running things, its legitimate track time! NCDA will still have events in the future, NCDA reps (sonny, george, todd, whoever) have been talking with altamont, and things look good so far...
don't worry guys, this "tragedy" will make things alot better for the future.

see you guys out there.

[CleanS14]

It would be cool for ncda to always run things at altamont but its not meant to be. NCDA was/is viewed as a scapegoat at altamont, there are alot of excuses/reasons why but its all a bunch of political mumbo jumbo. I am glad our friend Jay has set up some events for us norcal'ers-don't complain just because someone different is running things, its legitimate track time! NCDA will still have events in the future, NCDA reps (sonny, george, todd, whoever) have been talking with altamont, and things look good so far...
don't worry guys, this "tragedy" will make things alot better for the future.

see you guys out there.

FYI... I am working with Sonny and George too... does that make everyone feel better? :D

[nokeone]

i swear reading all this is like being back in high school...

i am really missing why it matters who puts on the event...if it's a good event, that's all that should matter...

all this arguing is retarded...being mad at Altamont or Jay or whomever does not help the situation at all...fuck, i hope it all works out and we can have both brift battle and ncda events...more events are more events...simple as that..

it seems like for some reason Altamont doesn't want to work with NCDA anymore...and apparently no one knows why...fuck it...cut your losses, change your name, and get back into hosting events...i dunno, but seriously it seems like everyone just needs to get over it and work together....

[phrozen]

jesus christ everyone shut the fuck up. everything that could be talked about has been. jay is doing his own thing and has no tie with ncda. altamont dosent like ncda and probably didnt want to go with the agreed 60 bucks for entry fee or some shit, its a fucking business cmon. jesus this is getting into a bitch fest. of course all of us taht was a part of ncda is sour but hopefully as ncda we can host some events this year at the $60 price or something under 100 bucks. right now jay is the only one that altamont is giving the green light to. i think that its stupid that we ncda must come up with some sort of business propsition and have all these meeting when we are doing the same thing jay is and we will be attracting the exact same ppl... thats where the problem is,

the reason that altamon is probably not giving ncda the green light right now is obviously $ and mass media blah blah, jay has more like vendor sponsor stuff then ncda does. and amp probaly dosent like us because of all the tension and hatred taht some have. im sure they read this forum or someone tells them abotu what has been written.

grow up, jay will run his events, hopefully ncda will get back on the track and altamont will see taht were the exact same as jay and not have to go thru all this bs.

im out im tired of reading the same thing

-jason
ncda

[CleanS14]

the reason that altamon is probably not giving ncda the green light right now is obviously $ and mass media blah blah, jay has more like vendor sponsor stuff then ncda does. and amp probaly dosent like us because of all the tension and hatred taht some have. im sure they read this forum or someone tells them abotu what has been written.

grow up, jay will run his events, hopefully ncda will get back on the track and altamont will see taht were the exact same as jay and not have to go thru all this bs.

im out im tired of reading the same thing

-jason
ncda

Lord knows I really admire the NCDA guys for putting on the events... it's not easy! What you guys should also know... is that the website went live when I posted and AMP had no idea what sponsorship backing we had or didn't have. They thought they were hosting a private event for my group of friends (which is what I consider all drifters!).

Thanks Jason... look forward to meeting all of you if I haven't already.

Jay

[infinitexsound]

seriously , u know what guys.......... u need to be fucken humble that we even have events to go to and "participate"... if u wanna boycott it then thats fine... do so... but dont bicker and chatter all fucken day long..... NCDA will probably work something out honestly it just takes time to come to an agreement...

And Thank You Jay for providing the first event this summer... hopefully there will be more to come... and for those who are pointing fingers at Jay... u should point it elsewhere ... Jay is a really cool honest man....dont question that..

[dct223]

word jason!!!

its a shame NCDA was faced with all this shady busisness with AMP, and its not like ITS OVER for NCDA, im sure they will get some events in there this summer, and future events around norcal.

If Jay can host an event with his own $$$ then MORE POWER TO HIM! I wish that i could haha..

btw.. ill see you all on july 6th!! hopfully ill see a bunch of familar faces! havent seen some of you since LAST YEAR!

[blu808]

nice location there luke
Nice sig cf.


I really dont care about this anymore. Basically whoever throws events at altamont will be sucessfull. Even if E-40 threw an event there it would be tight.

"Jesus christ had dreads. So shake em. Well i aint got none but im plannin on growin some. Imagine all the hebrews goin dumb, standin ontop of chariots that are turnin tight ones. oooooo tell me when to go.

[dct223]

GO STUPID!!

GO DUMB DUMB...

hahah not at the track.. just singing the song =P

[phrozen]

dont think ive met you yet, but lookin forward to it. uve probably seen my old cars at meets and stuff, black s13 hatch sc300 5sp blah blha

[anthony240]

Thanks Jay for hosting events! I'll definitely be there to support the sport of drifting and keep it alive in Norcal.

It's just better to stop ASSUMING shit and move forward. NCDA is still in talks with Altamont, they haven't been kicked out. What the talks are about I don't know, but I'm not going to ASSUME shit since i don't know, as some of you shouldn't as well.

While NCDA is working on getting us back in Altamont, Drift Battle is FILLING in so we can have drifting! seeing how DDNorcal has lost it's venue.

I was actually surprised when Jay said he would host, he can just leave Norcal alone and go to DriftDay/JustDrift events and leave us up here sitting on our ass waiting for an event.

Good lookin out Jay!

[fliprayzin240sx]

ncda and shock drifting made drifting big in norcal


OMG...your kidding me right? You sure you wanna make ignorant and blanket statements like that??? Thats almost as bad as saying Fast And Furious made STREETRACING big...

But anyways...If people dont wanna support this event, keep in mind that by choosing not to support it, you may adversely effect the chances of norcal having another such event.

But like some people brought up, isnt it funny how this event have a permit from altamont but NCDA dont have one? Luke, did you guys try offering altamont more money? It sucks but i figured ill ask anyway. Norcal can pretty much say hello to $120 events...Also wut ever happend to Thunderhill having events again? Are they that fookin booked???

[BayS13]

did someone say BM hai???

can i judge?

[kazuo]

Initial D made drifting big in NorCal

Anyway, yall need to stfu and stop dogging Jay for shit that isnt his fault.

Is it his fault that the hickshack and NCDA have beef? no
Is it his fault that money makes the world go round? no

NCDA and Altamont are obviously butting heads, and as a result, NO DRIFT EVENTS. Jay steps in and makes drift event happen.

Cue crying and bitching

What part of that makes any sense at all to anyone? None of the issues between NCDA and Altamont is his fault, he's simply offering an event for people to go drive and have fun.

Would you all rather sit on the internets and bitch about no drifting?

I dont get to drive as it is... I'm certainly not going to bitch about it now

I was the first one to sign up and frankly I'm surprised that there's still only 7 people signed up so far.

Who cares if Jay is making money or not? That's his fucking business... if he lose money, that on him. If he makes money, good job.

He didnt create the drama with NCDA and Altamont, Altamont and/or NCDA did. GO cry to them about it, whats Jay got to do with it, and how is Jay going to fix the problem?

Food for thought: If NCDA gave the track more money, and, as a result, had to charge us $125 instead of $60, do you think they'd be holding events as we speak? Further, would you pay the increased fees to attend?

Stop your fucking crybaby ass bullshit, stfu and go drive

[kazuo]

did someone say BM hai???

can i judge?

You're not JDM enough

[Drunk Bastard]

6 hours of open track = 360 minutes
40 drivers
9 minutes each driver

whatever, im still going

[blu808]

OMG...your kidding me right? You sure you wanna make ignorant and blanket statements like that??? Thats almost as bad as saying Fast And Furious made STREETRACING big...

But anyways...If people dont wanna support this event, keep in mind that by choosing not to support it, you may adversely effect the chances of norcal having another such event.

But like some people brought up, isnt it funny how this event have a permit from altamont but NCDA dont have one? Luke, did you guys try offering altamont more money? It sucks but i figured ill ask anyway. Norcal can pretty much say hello to $120 events...Also wut ever happend to Thunderhill having events again? Are they that fookin booked???


Well i can only talk as a driver/ instructor, And what todd, don, or hank have informed me of. I am not involved with the money part of the events. I would say that it feels like there is somthing going on with altamonts side. I called kenny pretending to be just some random guy wanting to host an event. He told me it sounded great, blah blah blah, nicest guy in the world, but then he started talking hella shit about ncda. I was like WTF. Then the next day i called him and told him im luke from ncda.net and asked him what was up. He was o everything is working out, still waiting to get the permits from the city. blah blah blah.

So at this point im just like WTF mate. :duh:

[Fatlace]

Again, Thanks to Jay this event will happen. If you want to know how I am helping support this event, I am bringing in sponsors. That is what I do, help people/companies out. I've helped Just Drift as well as NCDA bring in sponsors this year and I'll help out Drift Battle as much as I can. As a matter of fact, I was just in Seattle today and had a meeting with BN Sports to become the official sponsor. You have to realize that we're doing this for you guys. If we can get a title sponsor for our event, which I am trying my best to, then you'll see the price of the practice events drop down. I guess MooBoy, this is what you call being creative but as this event is coming up really close, I'd need an OK from the guys in Japan for this to happen so IF it does, it would reflect on the 2nd practice event.

As far as competitions go, that is why I am getting many sponsors for the event. So you guys can have alot to look forward to. You'll be able to win some sweet prizes from all the sponsors. (Endless, AME, Sparco, JDM Insider, WR, T3, DriftUnit and many more to come). Who would say no to having real prizes? I had this set up for NCDA as well but the NCDA events went awry so I'm also offering it to DB.

And to set the record straight about DriftUnit since this is a posting by Luke. To Luke and everyone at ShockDrifting (and I know alot of you guys so please read this just so you know), Jay summed up DriftUnit in one word. DriftUnit is a BRAND. When I started it, I wanted it to be more of a Team but the opportunities to make it a Brand was inevitable so I turned the Team part into more of a Profiles section to not confuse people. Luke, you should remember this cause you too were part of the Team until you blew your motor for the 7th or 8th time. During those times, we would put members in limbo if they weren't attending events and at the time, you werent. Being that I designed for Adidas at the time and Nike before that, I was approached by companies like speedwell and muscle machines to create products for this new drifting market. So I did and the shoes sold well as well as the other products. Just like Battle Garage, Battle Version and the many other drifting product and brands, you guys have to realize that Drifting, whether you like it or not, is a business. There really wouldnt be any drifting in the US if it wasnt for the videos from Japan. We know cause we first brought drifting to the US back in 1996 on our #3 360 Video. As far as drifting and parking lot drifters, I do drift for fun only now and not to compete just cause I'm a father and I'd rather spend time with my Daughter. Sure we drift in Parking Lots, but we also drift at buttonwillow, infineon, irwindale, willow springs, FD and D1, etc etc.. (check the names in the profiles section). And As far as drifting night drifts last year, Most of us have real jobs that require us to work long hours. Sure theres walls there but dude, there's wall at almost any track in Cali. If you think we're scared to hit them, I think we've hit enough walls to say we arent. I'm 33, why should I waste 6 - 7k fixing my car up when I can spend it on my daughters education. I've hit a wall (infineon FD last year) and just cause I've hit one doesnt give me reason to say I'm better than anyone else. Luke, when we see each other in person, you're a cool person and we have good conversations. From what I last heard, you started maturing in your outlook on life as well as your outlook on drifting, in general. Remember, it's not 3 years ago. You have to move forward in a positive way. If not, people will only remember you for being someone you wish you were not.

To sum it up, We're doing this for the drifters here in norcal and to break even, we would love it if you all helped make this possible. thanks again.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

^^
I think altamont is the real shadyness factor here. For those who are still talking shit, just give it a rest. While your bitching about it, everyone else will be out taking advantage of this PRIVELEDGE we have been given in norcal

OT: F&F actually did make street racing big, not that it wasnt before, but it made into what it is now whether you want to admit it or not

[FaLKoN240]

HA, so now I get prizes, and I get to drift?! I'm sold. $60 track time is a dream after all.

[BayS13]

HA, so now I get prizes, and I get to drift?! I'm sold. $60 track time is a dream after all.


not only do you get prizes...you get BN sports. wow dream come true....

[blu808]

Fatlace: Im not hating on you guys one bit. You all bring a ton of media to norcal, and have created somthing out of nothing. I respect all your cars, and i wish i had the money to make my cars as clean as yours. When you designed your shoes i liked them alot, and almost bought a pair. I like talking to you guys in person and in no way am i hating one bit. I was just stating which im sure you will agree that you guys are more involved with the show stuff. Which has actually been beneficial to nor cal drifting because now you have major media pull which will (i hope) most likely bring big names up here and result in even more events. Im sorry if i came off as trying to talk shit or anything, but just to say this again. If i dont like you i wont beat around the bush. I will tell you to your face.

Anyways, all i care about is drifting, and that hasnt changed in 3 years. so i dont know what your trying to say with me "maturing" but after going through what ive been through (non drifting) all i want to do is keep drifting. That will never change.


Look at my sig if you dont agree.

[shermantank]

Thanks DB and Jay for putting this event I'm in!!

[95zilvia]

You guys make me so happy and emo I go cry now.
I miss drifting. I wish I could drift over this summer, but I am going back to Guam for summer.
Make the events happen, hope they don't get cancelled whatnot.

[CleanS14]

6 hours of open track = 360 minutes
40 drivers
9 minutes each driver

whatever, im still going

I don't know how many tires everyone else brings... but I know you got a huge stash!!! Too bad you go through them so damn fast!!!

See you there Joe!!!

Thanks to everyone... I'm just hoping this can be a successful event. With all of your support/input I'm sure it will be. You should come out regardless of driving or not to support your fellow Norcal drivers/friends. I think we'll have to charge but it should be no more than $5-10 if you all think that is cool.

Drivers will be allowed one passenger/friend to help out in the pits or haul stuff for them.

If anyone has ANY questions or we can help make this a better event for you please let us know. You can email us at [email protected]

[FaLKoN240]

I've already signed up.

This is our chance NorCal to get some close track time. Don't ruin it by being ungrateful bitches. NCDA is not dead yet, and they may be able to schedule other events. Jay's event is not the end of the world, but an opening to something we've been waiting for.

[slider2828]

Its great that finally something is coming around. Man I'd thought it would be over for norcal, but doesn't seem like it now. Well, you know what, why beat a dead nail over the head repeatedly, if AMP don't wanna rent to NCDA, then they don't. Period end of coversation. I am sure everyone cares about NCDA, but AMP doesn't like them. If someone can get the permit, then we just go with it. Maybe NCDA just needs to change the name or get some new representation, but AMP is probably guilty of being shady too. Who knows, the whole business world is shady, I think that is what people have to understand and that is what it means to grow up. Accept it, shadiness happens.

Just like a girl, she goes and cheats on you, and what? you cry and b!tch about it to your friends to everyone that knows her? Who freakin cares, cause they don't. Play the game and its the same for the business world. Find a way around things or get stuck. That is what it is....

DB has found a way around the game, lets just keep with it. And man working for NVIDIA sucks, pay you worth sh!t and work you like a dawg....

[phrozen]

we love jay!:kiss: fuck altamont and there politics:rl: i think that pretty much sums it up

lets all just rock out with out with out cocks out:rawk:

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Seriously...

By saying "fuck Altamont" and "WE LOVE DB" does not make it ok...

Altamont are not idiots. They do read forums. There might be a good logical reason of why NCDA events got canceled. Mouthing off a venue is not the smartest thing to do. If they read this stuff, they might just pull out from all this drifting stuff since all of you kids are just plain fucking ignorant.

Business is business. You only know some what the story regarding NDCA and Altamont, Altamont does not need to come in and chime with us.

Stop mouthing off the venue already. Its not going to change a thing except get the Venue more pissed off.

-Al

[phrozen]

oh shut up al, you dont even nkow who i am, and who are you to say im a kid. if you read clearly in my other postings i wasnt bashing and saying fuck altamont, im tryign to defuse the situation. jesus im just making a joke if you couldnt tell from my last post i guess you have no sense of humor. oh well and i know they read the forums i wrote that in my pervious post when i was explaning the whole situation. and who are you to say i only know part of the situation and are u implying that you know more then me about it? what ever dude like i said were all friend and support eachother, the situation with ncda depending on how u look at it might not be fair but its a business like i said earlier in my pervious post. we just have to get past it. im out im done posting the same things over and over my last post was just to make some ppl laugh. not to be taken serious by anyone besides you i guess.

-jason

this is just a bitch fest blah blah we should just all get in a chat room tonight and bitch at eachother

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Jason - It's clear that you're a moron.

I was more speaking of the whole Altamont bashing in the whole thread.

If I was speaking direct to you, I would of quoted you. Learn to use it and you might just learn something new, kid.

-Al


oh shut up al, you dont even nkow who i am, and who are you to say im a kid. if you read clearly in my other postings i wasnt bashing and saying fuck altamont, im tryign to defuse the situation. jesus im just making a joke if you couldnt tell from my last post i guess you have no sense of humor. oh well and i know they read the forums i wrote that in my pervious post when i was explaning the whole situation. and who are you to say i only know part of the situation and are u implying that you know more then me about it? what ever dude like i said were all friend and support eachother, the situation with ncda depending on how u look at it might not be fair but its a business like i said earlier in my pervious post. we just have to get past it. im out im done posting the same things over and over my last post was just to make some ppl laugh. not to be taken serious by anyone besides you i guess.

-jason

this is just a bitch fest blah blah we should just all get in a chat room tonight and bitch at eachother

[BigVinnie]

My only beef in this is truely the cost. NCDA was going to offer an opportunity to get kids off the street from doing wreckless behavior. They wanted as many people in attendance as possible. It was more of an equal opportunity event as well, (just show up at 3:00, just pass the tech inspect and have proper gear.)
$150 (for what ever the deal is) kind of establishes this as a (rich kids fantansy only venture) and it really isn't preventing younger kids that can't afford it to attend.
So what is the motive behind it? Shure 40 guy's on the track, under 9minutes each for $150 bucks (wow fuckin special), guy's have had more run time at the Falken D1....... Or is it also all the advertising that will be involved with sponsorships... Really IMO the little kids with no money lose no matter how you see it.
I don't see this as an opportunity to keep kids off the streets, I just tell it how I see it (advertising at it's best, and the drifters pay for it)....
But ehh to each there own I'll go there to rout for my friends, but I defenitely wont participate..... It would be shallow of me not to support my friends....

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

$120 or so is the standard fare to get on the race track. Or parking lot for that matter. NCDA was an anomoly being able to offer the old prices. It was a great thing, and it will be sorely missed.
See you there Vinnie! I am glad to hear you are coming after all. It will be cool to kick it with you again.

[BigVinnie]

See you there Vinnie! I am glad to hear you are coming after all. It will be cool to kick it with you again.

What ever happen to events being $70. I remember a few years back shit wasn't this expensive. But anyways if you can't beat em then join em. It just throws my whole idea of principles out the freakin' window!!!
I'll cheer you on. Evan hasn't even seen this yet and will probably mis registration I guess he's just gettin back from Las Vegas....

[DJPimpFlex]

I let him know.....

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Dunno mang. I have never been to a $70 event. Drift Association, NASA, Private-Events, SpeedTrialUSA, even the very first NCDA event I think was up there around $120. Can't remember now. Even autox was $30. Thats $10 a run!
Thanks for cheering me on! As for your priciples, no one is asking you to be happy with the way AMP is treating NCDA. So you get to keep them intact.

[DJPimpFlex]

If I cant drive I'll be theren to support! grumblefuckincargrumble.....

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

You guys can take rides in my car if they allow it. Its fun/scary to ride with me because I suck at driving and you just never know what will happen.

[DJPimpFlex]

^you should just let me drive your car. I'll show you how a real man does it...jklol

[FaLKoN240]

I look at it like this, given NCDA had announced some phenominal pricing everyone got hyped. I was excited as well. No one is gonna bitch about low prices.

Altamont rebuilt the track (tore it down, built new one) took out all the big scary walls, and added some more infield action. That shit WASN'T CHEAP.

The originally had said NO DRIFTING at Altamont, but now they are gonna have it. Either MAN UP and pay the price, or drive to ButtonWillow which will cost you more than $60 in just gas. Which already makes it more expensive than the current event at Altamont.

[DJPimpFlex]

^but buttonwillow RAPES Altamont as far as a venue goes. Its an actual track, not a glorified oval.

[dct223]

even though altamont did take down walls.... altamont still isnt as "safe" as a cone dodging course like a lot of people think.. talk to V, sonny, and anothony240, they fought altamont and lost...

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Yer darn toot'n

If your rear tires get grip at any point during the bank you go straight into the wall.

[blu808]

Yer darn toot'n

If your rear tires get grip at any point during the bank you go straight into the wall.


Only if you dont know what to do. Either way. I allways loved altamonts old track. i loved getting as close as i could to the walls, and with me being one of first people to drift the whole big straights with big smoky manjis and do that whole banking will allways hold a special feeling with me.

[nokeone]

wait wait wait....what's this about 9 min of track time....lol....i don't know why i didn't see it earlier but anyway...

what is this?...40 car AutoX style?...one run at a time then back into the pits to wait for the next 39 cars to go?...

you're all kidding right?...

what happened to run groups?...is the track THAT small?...cause i can't imagine it's smaller then Willow Springs Balcony and we run 10 cars at a time there...

enlighten someone who has never been to Altamont...

thanks

[CleanS14]

wait wait wait....what's this about 9 min of track time....lol....i don't know why i didn't see it earlier but anyway...

what is this?...40 car AutoX style?...one run at a time then back into the pits to wait for the next 39 cars to go?...

you're all kidding right?...

what happened to run groups?...is the track THAT small?...cause i can't imagine it's smaller then Willow Springs Balcony and we run 10 cars at a time there...

enlighten someone who has never been to Altamont...

thanks

It's not 9mins... we will have run groups and 2 on track at a time simultaneously. Event details, Rules and Regs and the tech sheet will be available by Friday night on the website.

Private Events and DDNorcal are helping to make this event go smoothly.

[nokeone]

good to hear...:)

[TRUENOCOUPE]

good to hear...:)

Really, if you do the math with any PARKING lot events. You do not get hours of hours track day like we do at Buttonwillow.

You still get a good amount of track time tho. ;)

[shermantank]

Jay, That would be really helpfull to know the detail, I did signed up the first minute I saw your post and I was the 4th person, but if its going to be only 9min track time I'm not too sure about trailing the car 200 miles is such a good idea but I'll be there and support the the sport as a spectator!!

[nokeone]

Really, if you do the math with any PARKING lot events. You do not get hours of hours track day like we do at Buttonwillow.

You still get a good amount of track time tho. ;)

so it would seem...lol..

but it just doesn't make sense...i mean, Altamont is a real track right?...like with an actual closed course you can make laps on?...so why not have run groups of 30min with 10 cars in each...that would mean 4 run groups (a, b, c, d) at 2 hrs a cycle...

assuming an 8-9hr day...each group would get approx 2 hrs on the track...subtract 10 min here and there inbetween groups for getting cars on and off track and you still have close to 2 hrs of track time for each group...

am i missing something?...why does this work at every other event i've been to except for Parking Lots (which are not run on a closed loop) but not at Altamont?

[sleedawg]

Sorry if this heats things up again after it has died down. I actually have a normal job and thus I don't check this board all that often.

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The reality is that every track (or whatever venue) picks and chooses which organizers they like to have rent their track. Some are pickier than others. Just like a high maintenance date, depending on their first impression on the phone (or in person, email, etc) and their experience after the “date,” track management may or may not be receptive for a second date.

The best example I can give you is Laguna Seca. I invite anyone to try and rent Laguna. Even if you have the $10-13k rental fee for the day, they will most likely reject you from renting the track. And even if they rent to you once, they may decide not to invite you back for various reasons. Too many cars violating the sound limit, cars racing up and down the access roads, garbage left behind in the paddock, etc. Laguna is picky because they know that the county and their neighbors are watching them and could move to shut them down. The track management at Laguna rents to those organizations they believe will best represents Laguna. Sounds a little like Altamont’s situation?

To clarify, I’m not saying NCDA did not represent Altamont in a favorable light. The reality is, if the community that lives near Altamont is not happy with drifters, the track management will hear about it as will the local politicians. Altamont as a track has to play nice with its neighbors. If the neighbors complain enough, they can move to have the track shut down and convert it to a mini mall or new housing developments. I’m sure that’s the last thing the investors of Altamont want. I’ve seen it happen before. It has happened in San Diego and Phoenix and can happen here again at Altamont.

In regards to why Jay’s day was approved and not NCDA… I don’t have the answer. If I had to venture a guess, I’d say that NCDA took an unfair rap for issues the neighbors had from before with drifters. I would love to hear Todd’s or any other core leadership from NCDA first hand account and the time line on what occurred with the management at Altamont. I think it’s unfortunate that the community or Altamont associates all the issues they’ve had with NCDA, but it seems like the easy scapegoat to the neighbors. I hope that an amicable agreement can be reached with NCDA and Altamont and more drift events are held.

Just a heads up though. If the neighbors complain about the same problems with Jay’s track date as supposedly the neighbors did with NCDA… I’m willing to give 20 to 1 odds, that Jay and every other “drift group” will not be invited to Altamont. Think about it. Which would you rather do? Lose $5k on a track rental or a multi-million dollar investment?

So what am I trying to say... My bottom line message I’m trying to purvey to the racing/drifting community. Behave at the track and heading to the track (or even on the message boards). The neighbors and the track management associate you with the organizing body that rents the track. If we want to continue to have drift events (which are slowly getting banned everywhere) we need to be exemplary citizens and support those who put on events like these. And kick the crap out of those members (or wannabees) of the drifting community who don’t behave and act like good citizens. As unfair as it might be that one or two bad apples will be associated with the whole group, it is the reality.

And to Jay, NCDA or any other organizer, as much as it is a b*tch to clean up after everyone or to monitor the surroundings/behavior at the track… it’s on you to put on an event that the track management would be proud to present to the community.

Lastly, stick together as a community. Pointing fingers, boycotting each others events, and calling each other's name just isn't appropriate or necessary. Let's "represent" and show Altamont, the community around it, and anyone who questions drifters that we are responsible and united. And not a bunch of young ricer thugs. I see the unity in So Cal. Let's have that kind of unity here.

[CleanS14]

so it would seem...lol..

but it just doesn't make sense...i mean, Altamont is a real track right?...like with an actual closed course you can make laps on?...so why not have run groups of 30min with 10 cars in each...that would mean 4 run groups (a, b, c, d) at 2 hrs a cycle...

assuming an 8-9hr day...each group would get approx 2 hrs on the track...subtract 10 min here and there inbetween groups for getting cars on and off track and you still have close to 2 hrs of track time for each group...

am i missing something?...why does this work at every other event i've been to except for Parking Lots (which are not run on a closed loop) but not at Altamont?

Altamont said 6 hours of track time... no 8-9pm stuff. I'm going to try and work with them on this, but it will be basically the same hours as NCDA's events from 3pm-9pm.

[CleanS14]

Sorry if this heats things up again after it has died down. I actually have a normal job and thus I don't check this board all that often.

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The reality is that every track (or whatever venue) picks and chooses which organizers they like to have rent their track. Some are pickier than others. Just like a high maintenance date, depending on their first impression on the phone (or in person, email, etc) and their experience after the “date,” track management may or may not be receptive for a second date.

The best example I can give you is Laguna Seca. I invite anyone to try and rent Laguna. Even if you have the $10-13k rental fee for the day, they will most likely reject you from renting the track. And even if they rent to you once, they may decide not to invite you back for various reasons. Too many cars violating the sound limit, cars racing up and down the access roads, garbage left behind in the paddock, etc. Laguna is picky because they know that the county and their neighbors are watching them and could move to shut them down. The track management at Laguna rents to those organizations they believe will best represents Laguna. Sounds a little like Altamont’s situation?

To clarify, I’m not saying NCDA did not represent Altamont in a favorable light. The reality is, if the community that lives near Altamont is not happy with drifters, the track management will hear about it as will the local politicians. Altamont as a track has to play nice with its neighbors. If the neighbors complain enough, they can move to have the track shut down and convert it to a mini mall or new housing developments. I’m sure that’s the last thing the investors of Altamont want. I’ve seen it happen before. It has happened in San Diego and Phoenix and can happen here again at Altamont.

In regards to why Jay’s day was approved and not NCDA… I don’t have the answer. If I had to venture a guess, I’d say that NCDA took an unfair rap for issues the neighbors had from before with drifters. I would love to hear Todd’s or any other core leadership from NCDA first hand account and the time line on what occurred with the management at Altamont. I think it’s unfortunate that the community or Altamont associates all the issues they’ve had with NCDA, but it seems like the easy scapegoat to the neighbors. I hope that an amicable agreement can be reached with NCDA and Altamont and more drift events are held.

Just a heads up though. If the neighbors complain about the same problems with Jay’s track date as supposedly the neighbors did with NCDA… I’m willing to give 20 to 1 odds, that Jay and every other “drift group” will not be invited to Altamont. Think about it. Which would you rather do? Lose $5k on a track rental or a multi-million dollar investment?

So what am I trying to say... My bottom line message I’m trying to purvey to the racing/drifting community. Behave at the track and heading to the track (or even on the message boards). The neighbors and the track management associate you with the organizing body that rents the track. If we want to continue to have drift events (which are slowly getting banned everywhere) we need to be exemplary citizens and support those who put on events like these. And kick the crap out of those members (or wannabees) of the drifting community who don’t behave and act like good citizens. As unfair as it might be that one or two bad apples will be associated with the whole group, it is the reality.

And to Jay, NCDA or any other organizer, as much as it is a b*tch to clean up after everyone or to monitor the surroundings/behavior at the track… it’s on you to put on an event that the track management would be proud to present to the community.

Lastly, stick together as a community. Pointing fingers, boycotting each others events, and calling each other's name just isn't appropriate or necessary. Let's "represent" and show Altamont, the community around it, and anyone who questions drifters that we are responsible and united. And not a bunch of young ricer thugs. I see the unity in So Cal. Let's have that kind of unity here.

:werd:

We are going to be strict guys, don't get me wrong we do have fun in mind and want the event to be a success, but first and foremost we want to convey a safe, mature, repsonsible attitude to AMP staff and it's surrounding community.

I don't think anyone participating in the event or that reads the forums and knows what is going on will cause a problem, but what we do have to deal with are those potential spectators that might show up to watch. I will take it upon myself to make some signage to put at freeway offramps leading to the venue and at the AMP asking spectators to mind the law and respect the local community on their way to and from the event.

We want every organization that may host a drift event to be able to host at AMP. It's an awesome new facility that we should all get to take advantage of!!! So lets all be courteous and responsible.

All of the details for the event should be up on the website by Friday night. If you have any questions or concerns, please email me at [email protected]

Thanks everyone!

Jay