New GTR to have 450hp+ @ $75,000 price tag

[koukidough]

may be repost...

New spied article from caranddriver.com ==> http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/11023/spied-2009-nissan-skyline-gt-r.html

quoted from caranddriver:

"Britain’s Cosworth is helping Nissan extract more than 450 horsepower from the upcoming 3.7- or 3.8-liter V-6 while still meeting emissions laws."

"Whether it’s called the Nissan Skyline GT-R or just the Nissan GT-R, the 2009 model is expected to cost $75,000 when it goes on sale in the U.S. in the spring of 2008."

"Driven wheels aside, it is rumored that Nissan has contracted with world-famous Lotus to help with fine-tuning the car’s track performance." :wackit:

[exitspeed]

Pretty much what all the rumors are saying. Nothing new here. Thanx for trying though. Coulda put this the the most recent GTR post also...

[ranisron]

I thought the GT-R was due in 2007? Guess I am wrong.

Nevertheless, I can't wait till the car gets here.

[exitspeed]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=107809

[alexchanman]

god 75 grand. overpriced.

[Kaji]

How much were the R32, 33, and 34?

[Ricks15]

75K is nuts, the R34 I think run for 50g's

[WILDACEX187]

75K is nuts, the R34 I think run for 50g's

double the power, inflation

[Gnnr]

I just hope that prices dont get crazy markup from the dealers like what happend with the Ford GT.


From Car and Driver
http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/9519/at-ford-a-supercar-delivers-a-super-headache.html
The real production models are '05s, and when the GT officially went on sale in the summer of '04, the collector/investor crowd swarmed. Listed at $143,345, that number swelled to $157,000-plus with all the options. Dealers then marked them up as high as $220,000, some bypassing the showroom and offering them to the world on eBay, where they could pit one potential buyer against another. The feeding frenzy was fueled by the knowledge that Ford could make just nine GTs a day, or 1500 a year, which meant there weren't enough to give even one each to every Ford dealer in the country.

[koukidough]

I wanted a gtr but for that price, I think I'll pass.

[Kaji]

Almost sounds like they're trying to make this competitive to supercars.

[Daniel.]

For something 75k + it'll be competing with cars in a totally different price bracket.

I know this has been mentioned before, but z06 anyone?

[SilviaNinja240]

though I'm sure in 10 years or so afterword, it'll be aviable for 50k or some depriciated price. Of course the new GTR36 will be out by that time, running 700hp or something crazy like that, but nonetheless, the car will always be on the market. Similar as when the Evolution came to the U.S.

[alexchanman]

z06 is much better deal than this. probably gonna run the same numbers. nissan is trying to screw us all over bcause of the name. just cause its a skyline, they are gonna jack up the price. smart though, they know people are gonna buy it.

[SimpleS14]

For something 75k + it'll be competing with cars in a totally different price bracket.

I know this has been mentioned before, but z06 anyone?

I was thinking the same thing. I honestly don't think the 75K price range is bad at all....we have to look at more than the HP rating this car will make. We have to look at the possible technical tour de force this car will be for Nissan. I'm curious about the suspension and drivetrain layout.

If markups happen...then I doubt people will buy them.

[WILDACEX187]

Almost sounds like they're trying to make this competitive to supercars.

noo supercars cost twice as much for not much more power and performance.

7 years ago a r34 gtr was 50k so i hear. inflation suggest that 75k is not that bad, specially with people from cosworth and lotus working on the car's chassis and engine. u have to understand that these cars are not targeted to 240sx owners.

i also just priced a z06 and it came out to 69k and thats for a car with some old school rear suspension.

but in all we still have 2 more years of speculation till the first gtr's roll out so i wouldnt get too caught up in it

[SilviaNinja240]

I betcha in 10 years or so, kids will be complaining with their Evos, Stis, Z33s.. "aah my 300hp car is hella slow, I need a (whatever the new engine will be in the future) swap". Its hard to satisfy people with this rate of advancing technology

[WILDACEX187]

I betcha in 10 years or so, kids will be complaining with their Evos, Stis, Z33s.. "aah my 300hp car is hella slow, I need a (whatever the new engine will be in the future) swap". Its hard to satisfy people with this rate of advancing technology

lol u're right . alot of people dont understand that its sorta difficult to control a 300+ hp car when it only weighs around 3000lbs

[exitspeed]

but in all we still have 2 more years of speculation till the first gtr's roll out so i wouldnt get too caught up in it

Yea, but the new Z06 has proven to be the best bang for your buck damn near on teh planet. I know there is going to be a comparison between the two cars because of price/hp but Nissan is really going to have to tune this thing to perfection if it's going to outperform the Z06.

And don't get me wrong. As much as I like the Z06, I'd love to see Nissan live up to that challenge.

[WILDACEX187]

alot of overseas reviewers dont like the z06 that much for sum reason

[exitspeed]

alot of overseas reviewers dont like the z06 that much for sum reason

Hmmm, that's odd. I have not seen a negative review on the new Z06 yet. it's a phinominal car over-all.

[WILDACEX187]

top gear reviewed it, so did bmi and they didnt like it.

[exitspeed]

top gear reviewed it, so did bmi and they didnt like it.


I wanna see those vids...Any links? I can google it too.

[downshift_sideways]

yea i'm getting the new skyline in about a month. buh!

[Kaji]

Well the Skyline is a coupe that can fit 4 so if they keep that and the ATTESA-ETS and up the power only a little from before then it'll be far greater than the z06.

[OptionZero]

top gear did not review the z06, it was a regular c6. The z06 was not yet out when they filmed that episode, don't spread disinformation.

If they enjoyed the regular c6, they'll probably die at the z06 which has better everything and only 3100lbs. Fuckin kickass.

The 450hp and $75k price tag are not surprising at all, they have been projected for quite a while now. I've already stated that making the GT-R a nissan is a stupid business move.

the GT-R's success will rest on the ability of tuners to make power from the aluminum block, turbo'd VQ...it's handling, and sustained sales in the U.S.

Ghosn has already stated he's going after the 911 (presumably 911 turbo, which makes a little more power IIRC).

I'd be disappointed if the weight come in at 36xx...rather get a z06 or 911 turbo then.

[WILDACEX187]

top gear did not review the z06, it was a regular c6. The z06 was not yet out when they filmed that episode, don't spread disinformation.

If they enjoyed the regular c6, they'll probably die at the z06 which has better everything and only 3100lbs. Fuckin kickass.

The 450hp and $75k price tag are not surprising at all, they have been projected for quite a while now. I've already stated that making the GT-R a nissan is a stupid business move.

the GT-R's success will rest on the ability of tuners to make power from the aluminum block, turbo'd VQ...it's handling, and sustained sales in the U.S.

Ghosn has already stated he's going after the 911 (presumably 911 turbo, which makes a little more power IIRC).

I'd be disappointed if the weight come in at 36xx...rather get a z06 or 911 turbo then.

didnt know there was a difference. a corvette is a corvette to me. didnt mean to be wrong though

[exitspeed]

didnt know there was a difference. a corvette is a corvette to me. didnt mean to be wrong though


OMG are you serious?:ughd:

There's such a huge difference....That's like saying a All Skylines are GTR's.

[Neejay]

Although some say its a good price, I wouldn't pay that much for it. Just a matter of personal preference.

[OptionZero]

z06= 500hp, 3100lbs, big torque, and cheaper than 80k.

For pure performance (excluding looks, luxury, and perceived quality), it's unbeatable value.

GT-R's got an uphill battle.

[exitspeed]

z06= 500hp, 3100lbs, big torque, and cheaper than 80k.

For pure performance (looks, luxury, and perceived quality), it's unbeatable value.

GT-R's got an uphill battle.


That is 100% the truth right there.

[BOROSUN]

did anyone saw bmi search of the best driving feel? tsuchiya ran the new z06 on gansai*

[exitspeed]

did anyone saw bmi search of the best driving feel? tsuchiya ran the new z06 on gansai*


Yea, and? How did it go?

[BOROSUN]

his comment was "dangerous". haha he spoke in english too.
he also said: this car was meant to be driven mildly not its limits, it felt spongey, the front tire looses to much grip(you can actually see it) , & commented about the traction control feels wierd to him.

only positive comment he made (sort of) is that he likes the v8 , good for going straight.lol

i think tsuchiya is vette hater. :p

[Gnnr]

You know what, I'm LOVING the 75K price tag. The more out of reach this car is, the better. Thats the appeal, that no one has it. I live in South Florida, and I see soooooo maaaaaany Corvettes its f'ing annoying. There is NO wow factor AT ALL. Whats the point in having a fast, exotic car, if everyone on the block has one....I mean if you care about that kind of stuff.

And whay shouldn't this car be a Nissan? Should it be like what Honda did with the NSX? Is this car going to follow the same path as the NSX?

[exitspeed]

You know what, I'm LOVING the 75K price tag. The more out of reach this car is, the better. Thats the appeal, that no one has it. I live in South Florida, and I see soooooo maaaaaany Corvettes its f'ing annoying. There is NO wow factor AT ALL. Whats the point in having a fast, exotic car, if everyone on the block has one....I mean if you care about that kind of stuff.


That I agree with for the most part and I think that is a good point. i don't wanna see them running around liek Evo's and Sti's.


And whay shouldn't this car be a Nissan? Should it be like what Honda did with the NSX? Is this car going to follow the same path as the NSX?

Let's not start that again...Please.

[RUTH'LESSDET]

z06= 500hp, 3100lbs, big torque, and cheaper than 80k.

For pure performance (excluding looks, luxury, and perceived quality), it's unbeatable value.

GT-R's got an uphill battle.

THe gtr definitely has an up hill battle not just with the vette also the in 07-08 the new camaro and challenger will be out both with 400+hp for about $35K...so nissan can :mephfawk: for $75K

[WILDACEX187]

THe gtr definitely has an up hill battle not just with the vette also the in 07-08 the new camaro and challenger will be out both with 400+hp for about $35K...so nissan can :mephfawk: for $75K

so why are u driving a nissan now? why dont u just buy a mustang or a focus? im sure the challenger and camaro will handle great /end sarcasm

[reefer1114]

hooray for the price!!! less dumbfuck teens who will drive it and think they own the roads when they are driving in it.

[L1ama]

so why are u driving a nissan now? why dont u just buy a mustang or a focus? im sure the challenger and camaro will handle great /end sarcasm
You just reminded me of the video where the viper mountain racing, fell like 300 ft or something down, and people said look, the ferrari is still on the road :ughd:

[SilviaNinja240]

Its not forget the 4wd too, I'm sure that will make it more sellable to the snow-infested states.

[Paul2x]

High 50's low 60's would just about get u a GTR in Japan in 02', brand new....V-spec II Nur's sold for about 78-85k in japan New

You can find low mile 02's for 45-50k used....so..New they were up their.

Seem's all realative to me for the US model........ + it's a GTR :bigok: Geeerrr... =)

[SimpleS14]

did anyone saw bmi search of the best driving feel? tsuchiya ran the new z06 on gansai*


That was a normal C6 Corvette....stop with this mis-information...


Anywho, I don't think the GT-R is targeted to go against the Z06.

[BOROSUN]

sorry sir....

[EchoOfSilence]

"Britain’s Cosworth is helping Nissan extract more than 450 horsepower from the upcoming 3.7- or 3.8-liter V-6 while still meeting emissions laws."


"Driven wheels aside, it is rumored that Nissan has contracted with world-famous Lotus to help with fine-tuning the car’s track performance." :wackit:
ho-ly-shit

I think the last time cosworth and lotus teamed up, they were building F1 cars. This, I'll have to see.

[theicecreamdan]

so why are u driving a nissan now? why dont u just buy a mustang or a focus? im sure the challenger and camaro will handle great /end sarcasm


most S13s cost less than you'll spend on a mustang or focus.

who the fuck cares how many people own X car? I wouldnt let the fact that a lot of old people own corvettes stop me from buying one. ESPECIALLY if I can outperform more "exotic" and expensive vehicles. but I don't want to start a debate on whether or not the Z06 can outperform a GTR, there is no way to determine that yet.

[kurissuS13]

...
i think tsuchiya is vette hater. :p

iirc, in the race they held with the 3 japanese cars v. 3 int'l. cars, they had the C5 Z06. all of them, including tsuchiya, liked that vette. too bad it came in last. =P

[S14DB]

2006 BMW M5 is $81,200 were as a base 5 series is $43,500. I think they are following a similar spread.

I think $75k is fair for the into price. Once they meet demand the following years will be cheaper.

[OptionZero]

the normal corvette comes with crappy all seasons IIRC not sure what the z06 runs

i have no doubt the japanese cars were on some damn near r-compounds

[ms!3]

the 75k price tag kinda has a good side to it. At least not many people will be able to get one and rice it out.

[OptionZero]

yeah, good thing it's not 50k. Otherwise ALL the kids would have neon underglo-equipped GTR's!

nissan dodged a BULLET there

[EchoOfSilence]

yeah, good thing it's not 50k. Otherwise ALL the kids would have neon underglo-equipped GTR's!

nissan dodged a BULLET there
:rofl:
I really wanna know how this car stacks up.

[fliprayzin240sx]

ALl imma say is that $75k is still speculation. Remember how Nissan surprised us all with the Z33 price wise? They were actually cheaper than people thought they were gonna go for when they first came out. I'm pretty sure they will do use the same technic and use parts that they already have in hand to build most of the car, in an attempt to lower the price. I think they will try to make their money from moving large volumes of this car, same way they make their money off the Z.

[SimpleS14]

That could be true, but I don't think this car will share alot of parts with other models to reduce cost. Probably at the most the chassis and little bits that are not apparent to the general public.

Wasn't the G35 also a factor into the reason the Z was priced fairly reasonable? Since the G35 (coupe specially) shared alot of components with the Z, making the FM platform sold to a wider range of consumers thus reducing cost in the end. Any of that make sense? haha

I don't know...but I think Nissan might bring a softened Infiniti variant or toss some of the parts into the next Q.

[Ricks15]

Im glad nissan is bringing over there signature car to the states, now if nissan were really smart,They would start developing a New type of Silvia or something like that that way they can domminate the Heavy High power sports car market and also help the drift community out too.:o

[OptionZero]

correct me if i'm wrong...but didn't NIssan say the GTR will be li mited production?

If thats the case, i'm not sure they necessarily WANT the car to be cheaper.

The price tag should separate it from the 350z by a sizable margin, and they should NOT cheap out on ANY part of it if it's to be the halo car for the NISSAN brand.

The early speculation i saw on FA indicated the GT-R was going to Infiniti at like 60-70k, with Nissan getting a super limited edition 350z variant with the GTR drivetrain going ABOVE the GT-R price point ( 80-90k). The turbo Z could also help dilute the cost of GTR development (re-using drivetrain). This is what they did with the 300zx, S-chassis and R-chassis, given that they shared so many parts back in the 90s.

With the GTR a Nissan, there's no real place to put a high-po 350Z, unless its at like 40k and only a small upgrade...anythign too fast would steal GTR sales.

Also, some guy on FA said the new Z would have an optional 4 cyl trim level...effectively making it a new Silvia. So 6-cyl Z ranging from 30-40k based on options, and a 4cyl turbo z going from 25-30.

[Ricks15]

Now that is trash I hope its BS the 350 doesnt desrve to be suddenly turned into a silvia, Id really love to see something in body wise a evolution of the old S15. People wpuld love to see that similar cue's off of the old S15 with new looks and more balls under the Hood. It would be Nissan's time to capitalize in the US auto market, 2 High performance cars that were meant to be side to side killing the compition in seperate catogories Drift-Grip of course the GTR will do all the high performace grip driving domination.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I dont see Nissan re-doing the S-chassis simply because there isnt really any demand or room for it. I mean if they do something small rwd to compliment the 350z, itll have to cost roughly 20k or else itll end up competing with the Z.

As far as the GTR being a limited production car...i dont think itll be. I mean they are pushing it to the whole world, not just certain market. That means they will have multiple variants of it, Left/Right hand drive, then you gotta put emissions into the mix. Why would they invest sooo much money into the production car and not try to make as much money back from it? I still think itll share alot of components from the Z. Ofcourse there will be more one off parts but i believe they will re-use what they could to keep the cost down. Seems like thats been Ghons vision to keep Nissan from getting too fat.

[exitspeed]

correct me if i'm wrong...but didn't NIssan say the GTR will be li mited production?

If thats the case, i'm not sure they necessarily WANT the car to be cheaper.

The price tag should separate it from the 350z by a sizable margin, and they should NOT cheap out on ANY part of it if it's to be the halo car for the NISSAN brand.

The early speculation i saw on FA indicated the GT-R was going to Infiniti at like 60-70k, with Nissan getting a super limited edition 350z variant with the GTR drivetrain going ABOVE the GT-R price point ( 80-90k). The turbo Z could also help dilute the cost of GTR development (re-using drivetrain). This is what they did with the 300zx, S-chassis and R-chassis, given that they shared so many parts back in the 90s.

With the GTR a Nissan, there's no real place to put a high-po 350Z, unless its at like 40k and only a small upgrade...anythign too fast would steal GTR sales.

Also, some guy on FA said the new Z would have an optional 4 cyl trim level...effectively making it a new Silvia. So 6-cyl Z ranging from 30-40k based on options, and a 4cyl turbo z going from 25-30.


This is all so fun to speculate about huh?

I wonder if the big wigs at Nissan ever see this stuff.

I think a 4cyl option wouldn't be a bad idea for Nissan, but I think a more lightweight RWD car would be much better. I think Nissan does have the dmand and the room for one at this point. But it would have to max out and I mean max out at $25k. Also I think it would have to be a more bare bones "sports car". Meaning no navigation, or rediculously expensive options. HP wise I think somewere in the 220-240hp range would be sufficient.

Again all speculation.

What does this have to do with the GTR. Well Nissan can almost completely establish themselves as the sporty brand they've always wanted to with these 3 cars. I think there is plenty of market for all these cars right now and it makes alotta sense.

[SimpleS14]

Well....its said (rumor) that there will be a RWD coupe under the Z.....just for the Japanese market. Hints of such a vehicle come from the Foria concept which relates to the classic Silvia.

Now if such a car will reach the states is very sketchy. Mainly because I don't think there is a market for one, unless it was a roadster...but the Miata, Solstice and Sky have that market covered pretty well. Also Nissan can have a sporty coupe (or hatch) fall under the Z...which is where the next Sentra SE-R comes into play. Since it shares the same platform with the Renault Megane....I wouldn't be surprised if the SE-R carries the same turbocharged I-4 2.0L motor (MR20DET) and being a FWD platform seperates the car even more from the Z and GT-R.

This mainly based off my personal opinions.

[exitspeed]

Well....its said (rumor) that there will be a RWD coupe under the Z.....just for the Japanese market. Hints of such a vehicle come from the Foria concept which relates to the classic Silvia.

Now if such a car will reach the states is very sketchy. Mainly because I don't think there is a market for one, unless it was a roadster...but the Miata, Solstice and Sky have that market covered pretty well. Also Nissan can have a sporty coupe (or hatch) fall under the Z...which is where the next Sentra SE-R comes into play. Since it shares the same platform with the Renault Megane....I wouldn't be surprised if the SE-R carries the same turbocharged I-4 2.0L motor (MR20DET) and being a FWD platform seperates the car even more from the Z and GT-R.

This mainly based off my personal opinions.

DOn't forget about the Urge concept that was debuted in Detroit. I read that Nissan had serious plans to go through with a production version (obviously way toned down though) becaueof the great responce it got.

Edit: in addition that concept was based of the 350 350's platform. Just shortened.

[SimpleS14]

DOn't forget about the Urge concept that was debuted in Detroit. I read that Nissan had serious plans to go through with a production version (obviously way toned down though) becaueof the great responce it got.

Edit: in addition that concept was based of the 350 350's platform. Just shortened.


Yup...I can't forget about that concept. However, for the time being the likely hood of such a car coming out anytime soon is slim.

[reccakun08]

2009... thats a long ass time from now.