what setup to go with?

[overb0ost]

alright, i have a stock KA in my lowered s14 on springs with ACT stage 2 clutch with stock vlsd. im in the market for buying tires and have read a whole lot.

the ones that im interested in trying would be the st-115, fm901 and the hankook ventus v4 es h105 W rated.

now im not sure what i should run for the back if im going for a drift setup. in the front i might try the st-115 (225/50/16) and the back i don't know wat tire but the dimension would be (205/50/16). i was told that these h105s are really good and great grip for really cheap. but im worried that if it is WAY too grippy i might be a bit hard to break traction esp on a sticky track. can anyone share their setups on a stock KA engine and what tires you experienced to be really hard to break traction? and waht tires had good grip but were able to still break traction? and this is for a stock KA motor.

thanks!

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

What wheels? Stock SE wheels? I would do the same size/type of tire all around. I would say 215s all around. Really grippy tires are not good for the stock KA and drift.

[Jefferson]

I have the ST115 and I love, them they are pretty sticky but at the same time I can get them to slide if I want to. I have them in 235's and they take a bit more entry speed than the 195's I had before they start to slide a bit
You should have no problems with a 205
I would also go with a 205 setup all the way around that way you can keep rotating wheels

[overb0ost]

i have been under the impression that if i ran 225 at the front i would not have to worry about understeer at all. 205 might seem a little thin to run in the front but i guess it also depends on what type of tires you use.

im running stock LE rims (highest model here in canada) 5lug and they are 16x6.5 i believe. what would you guys recommend for back tires that would be sticky but not WAY too sticky that would give me troubles in breaking traction.

[OptionZero]

how are you gonna run a 225 on a 6.5inch wheel? thats gonna be too wide a tire for the wheel size

at this point, you shouldn't be worrying bout the effect tire size will have on your driving...you should worry about how your driving ability will affect your driving

that and get wider wheels

[overb0ost]

im not 100% sure wat the size of the stock 5lug rims are. someone please correct me if im wrong.

[Jefferson]

Dude 225 is too much tire for any stock 240 wheel
And yeah S14 5spoke wheels are 6.5 wide, a 205 is perfect for that wheel and thats what comes factory anyway
205-50 all around and call it a day
I agree with OptionZero focus on your driving ability and skill then see what tire sizes have what effect on your car

[overb0ost]

alright sounds good, but back to the original question, wat would be good tires to run at the back that arnt WAY too sticky and wont chunk up at the end that would take a good beating? something cheap obviously.

[Dousan_PG]

oh shit they wre stock wheels
yaman 215 max imo
205 will be fine
what 205/50/16 or somethng is cool
do same all around, dont stagger no need and its stock weheels.

i still like FM901s but i wouldnt use them up front..
do the Direzza's come in those sizing?
ST115 is the best
some guys like the ZIEX? falken. i tink its just though.
noevas and sts are for me.

[overb0ost]

alright im gonna run 215/50/16 all around

st-115 up front and some shitty tires in the back.

i heard the fm901 are like jello so i wouldnt toss them in the back.
ill find something decent i guess to toss in the back. maybe ill try the hankook ventus v4 ES h105 since they are like $100/tire CND.

do u think 205 in the front would understeer or would they still stick pretty good?

[Dousan_PG]

205/50 setup is the jam
like on stock 15s or 15x7 wheels it is the best.
i love it. if i had a KA again thats all i would run.

[OptionZero]

stock is 16x6.5 +40

run wutever's cheapest, the brand won't really affect you at this point

when you get to the point when your tires are holding you back, then you should be getting new wheels and should have talked to enough tpeople to know what's good

[redpotatoes]

If your plan is to drift, buy some cheap brand tires, you will smoke them anyway. I have a set of Toyo T1R 225/45/17 on 8" for the daily/track and I mount good old black rims(or my oem, depends how I fell) with cheap tires for the rear when I go to drift events.

[Dousan_PG]

i was going to reply to the cheap tires comment but its cool. your canadian.

bwhahahaha

get good tires overboost. u wont regret.

[redpotatoes]

i was going to reply to the cheap tires comment but its cool. your canadian.

bwhahahaha

get good tires overboost. u wont regret.

Thats a low blow.....hehehe
What I meant is why invest 1000-1500$ on good tires when he is gonna smoke them and with a KA stock with tires that will grip, it won't the best thing for drifting, except the front wheels. If it's for track/daily, yes I am 100% with Dousan_PG, get good tires.

[Dousan_PG]

im just giving u shit haha no worries man

$1000 bucks? i never said get neovas
4 fm901s are cheap i think for 16s
i think for KA go back to 15s1!
205/50/15 feels so oooo good on KAs. like a rocket ship! get some sweet 15x7 0 to +20 offset. excellent!

[overb0ost]

dousan ur the best and thats why i came to u for advice! not cocky and very informative!!! i will get 15s as soon as funds flow in.

i will be gettn st115 for the front so no worries!!
and yes canada has nothing...i guess 100bucks a tire is considered expensive in the US, even with it converted its 85bucks probably.

i plan on coming up to the states next summer!! socal/norcal here i come...in a years time =D

[Dousan_PG]

do it!
norcal=gay. so cal=da best.
we got drift events 2-3 times a month.
i am poor because i always buy new ST115 in the 245/40/18 sizing. haha..oh well. they rule!

[A Spec Products]

dousan ur the best and thats why i came to u for advice! not cocky and very informative!!! i will get 15s as soon as funds flow in.

i will be gettn st115 for the front so no worries!!
and yes canada has nothing...i guess 100bucks a tire is considered expensive in the US, even with it converted its 85bucks probably.

i plan on coming up to the states next summer!! socal/norcal here i come...in a years time =D

like dousan said too, ziex 512 is good enough for ka

when i was 15s i liked ziex front and cheapo rear

cheap setup

but dont listen to anyone just try them out yourself, cause each persons opinion / driving style is different

i use ST115 F / Ziex 512 R on stock KA 215/45/17, seems to work well for me

[overb0ost]

thanks A Spec. i will see how much the 512 are. ill go with watever is cheaper.

and dousan, if i ever reach socal i will give u a mesg for sure!!!
i will be doing a roadtrip with a couple of other s14 guys hopefully.

[redsuns3838]

i like my ST115s, ive been using crappy tires up until i got new wheels. now im on ST115s. theyre great tires for the price.

190 or so whp, 17x9.5 rears, safe to drive in the rain and tear thru corners, but break traction exactly when i want them to. =)
ST115s for the win!

[overb0ost]

hey dousan what do you think of these badboys

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/blu2fourty/Picture253.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/blu2fourty/Picture252.jpg

[Maeda]

You'll need a small spacer when the suspensions compressed and cambers dialed in.

[Dousan_PG]

looks wise like shit
but i mean if it works it works

[Ricks15]

run sport tires like Azenis St115 or FM901 trust me thats a good tire and for the rear fuck expensive rubber, Put on cheap ass either used or new allseason tires. This is what every KA24E person outta use my own personal expirence with this setup is nothing but perfect. Those tires work magic its almost as if though you got a SR20 under you hood or something.

[DJPimpFlex]

205/50's on stock KA are great. I have ES100's on my race car and I was plesently surprised. 3rd gear drifts no problem, and they've lasted 4 track days. Grippier than expected as well. I have FM901's on my daily and the compound is a little less grippy than the ES100's, but the sidewalls are complete crap. Good for the money (I got a $50 rebate making them like 300 for 4 shipped or something). I have some ST's, but I havent tried them because of lacking lug nuts and need (the ES100's lasted for fuckin ever). So my new set uo I just got 225 ES100's for the rear and RT615's for the front 225's also. Should be nice. I wanna try the ST's asap too, but its hard being in "sucky" norcal. hehe.

[overb0ost]

shit you know what i just realized, there is no 205/50/16 for falken st115

they have the 55 series only for 205s...they have 50 series for the 215 and 225.

hrmm, wat to do.

[Jefferson]

Go with the 215-50 then or the 205-55 series
I'd probally go with whichever one provides less sidewall flexion, which I assume to be the 215-50 anybody else think so?

[Ricks15]

You dont need Falkens in rear if you really want to drift with a KA motor!!!!! You need good rubber in the front and set it at a decent PSI like 30, the rear fill it up to 40 or just max it out if you can:ugh: Ive done this and I still do this it is a good set up while learing how to drift at a begginer stage. Allseasons are so loose its not even funny the best ones are the tires with nice big size grooves, small grooves will give you only grip which is what you dont want.

[Dousan_PG]

if u cant drift on azenis st115 in the rear w/ a KA, you shouldnt be drifting.
nuff said

[Ricks15]

Care to explain why?

[Dousan_PG]

because drifting on st115s is easy and totally doable even on a stock KA
ive done it numerous times.

brian (user name too) does it on his s14 every drift event. 225/45/17 on a stock KA24DE
and he tears that shit up. no doubt. looks like hes got an SR, until he tries to follow and he gets left 3 corners back hahahahahaa


i drove his car too and drifting is so easy w/ Azenis on KAs. wish i did it more on my old KA car. instead i ran 215/45 es100s and fm091s w/ azenis up front

[Ricks15]

Well what do I know the KAde has more power than the standard KA24E- I have attempted to try my best with FM901's and Yokohama Avid's and I didn't have that much of a success rapeing those tires while going sideways. That was untill I started to play around with different types of tires. Since you have a low power engine but in essence you have tourqe logically to hold drifts you need power and sadly the KA24E dies after 4K rpms. I found that trick to be pretty usefull since I don't have that much power.

[Dousan_PG]

i drove my friends Noah's Ka24E (yes e--single cam). he runs 17s as well w/ either ES100s or Fm901s
i drove it fine
as far as the 4k shit,your motor sucks. thast it. a KA24E motor is fine over 4k. your motor must be on the way out.

you have to drive above 4k to hold a drift w/a KA.
the dying over 4k is bullshit. dont give me that line, i know its not true. ive driven myf riend car as well as teaching a few kids on their E model motors.

tips:
stay above 4k
never lift.
drive like a maniac.
go faster.



u can totally do it. gotta work harder
come out to an event. JUST DRIFT regularly hosts events
www.justdrift.com
one coming up.
im usually at all of them. help some folks out and beat the heck out of my car

i take no repsonsibility if i destroy your car.
hahahaha

whats your suspension, ricks15?? could be a HUGE reason why

my buddies cars at AT LEAST coilovers, tc rods and a good driver seat.
thats all u need.
ill drive the hell out of it. so will they. or else i hit them.

[Ricks15]

Gehy megan streets, rear strut bar, thats it. Power over is a bitch cuz my clutch sucks ass and im still open diff but thats going to change soon. I usually open up at some corners and clutch kick it and thats where tire plays the difference but if starts to die out keep kicking the clutch and then down shift and from there its all throttle. I would try to do more but I dont have to balls to play that hard on the street so laugh if you want but thats how I do it because Im still learning how to drift on a weak budget.

[Dousan_PG]

power over isnt necessary, i dont know why people do that shit most of the time. you should be driving fast enough cltch kick/feint/etc to get the car sideways.

cluch just get a new pressure plate, a higher one, stock clutch is A-ok depending on how old. if its old, OE face w/ higher pressure plate. thats all u need for KA

go faster it sounds lke honestly
come out to Just Drift.
its worth it. and u get tons of seat time.

[Ricks15]

Is that held in lancaster??? Are there vehicle inspections? just like Drift day? and if you do happen to blow the shit up out of you're car is there towing for hire??? If you got a sheet of the rules and regulations PM me them yeah??:bigok: Gracias

[Dousan_PG]

go to the website
yes there is tech inspection. for safety. we make sure all is good, dont want a battery to tip and start a fire.

and i u blow up, call a tow truck company. as u would anywhere. there inst one on site, not rich!

[overb0ost]

hey dousan, are canadians welcome to JUST DRIFT? =D

[Dousan_PG]

well.........
no one anywhere likes canadians
but ok
hahaha j/k j/k
of course everyone is welcome! just register!

[redpotatoes]

well.........
no one anywhere likes canadians
but ok
hahaha j/k j/k
of course everyone is welcome! just register!

Not sure of that, travel in the world and say that you are from the US ...
You will see that people will be much more friendly when you say your canadian but this is not the issue of the topic so I will STFU hehehehe. But in my heart, I not even a canadian, I am a proud french Quebecer !!!

[Dousan_PG]

im just giving hima hard time, its a joke, thats what j/k (Just kidding) means
and i do travel the world and say im american. i travel overseas at least 2-4 times a year.

[overb0ost]

alright i got a few more questions, BUT i have researched like always.

i have been reading about camber issues and i do experience understeer but i am running 195 tires so that could be the cause. i currently have this setup:

Front: -1.1 -1.4

Rear: -2.4 -2.5

TOE: 1/32 both sides

i like the rear setup since i dont notice much abnormal tread wear and easy to break traction. i know dousan will say this but ill say it for him, camber does NOT increase abnormal treadwear. it is very minimal. toe is wat kills you. i would also like to ask if i had the fronts set to -3 would i notice a significant difference in grip and steering response?

im thinking of runnin -2.5 all around so i get more contact on the road at full lock since of static load..or watever the term was called. NOW, my question is, what should i go with, camber bolts or camber adjustment plates?

with camber plates i would have to go and get an alignment fixed if i adjust it am i correct? if so, camber bolts would seem cheaper since i would have to take my car into an alignment for either option.

any pros/cons for both choices? i would like to hear some input from the pros. thanks once again!

[Dousan_PG]

my thoughts
increase the front camber to -2.5 to -3 max
0 toe all around
rear is fine how it is

get camber plates! dont use that bolt business. camber bolts are junk imo

[overb0ost]

thanks again dous!

too bad parts in canada are so damn expensive and then shipping and customs is even worse then retail here or the same price.

[Dousan_PG]

yeahi would sell you my extra camber plates for 60 bucks but i hate shipping to cananda. did it once..for HALO...never again!! EVER
wanted to open a business but i'll never ship to canada! biggest hassle.

[Ricks15]

Dousan no wonder you use SPL there shit is dope I put in the alluminum sub frame spacers and they made a hell of a significant difference in the handling of the car.

[Dousan_PG]

hells yes. SPL rules. i love thier stuff, and kuah is a super coolguy too
i just got the bucket seat for mypassenger.

[overb0ost]

yes shipping to canada is SUCH a hassel. customs,taxes the 3week wait. i hate it. when i come to cali im gonna buy a bunch of shit and install it all in cali. even a 2 wheel alignment for lowered cars is like 70-80bucks after tax CND. so thats like 60bucks US? i read that alignments are like 30US. shiiiity

[Dousan_PG]

if u want a shit alignment sure
lowered car w/ a custom good alignment by a reputable place will run you 100 easily.