rim width

[gumbygrys15]

Hi, I was wondering if have some help making a rim width decision. I have an 96 s14. Hear is the problem 17x8 or 17x9 front and rear. I want the same size rims front and back along with tires for equal balance. Normally I would go with the 17x9, but the 17x8 are 1.2 lbs lighter. I would be running 245 width tire and around 360-380hp. Also am I going to run into rubbing problems in the front. Thanks for your help.

[North240]

my vote is 17x9 but there is tons of info and feedback that can be found with a quick search.

[TheTimanator]

first of all...1.2 lbs is a small sacrifice to get a wider wheel. Especially if you reach your power goals. Plus a 245 will fit better on a 9" wide rim and you can go wider later if you want where you would be limited with a skinnier rim.

As far as rubbing goes. You need to post the offset of the wheels since that will determine whether or not it's gonna fit.

[mjjstang]

yah im looking at rims right now too, I really want a 17x9 but there is limited offering in 4 lug and im NOT spending money to convert to 5 lug, thats silly, although im prolly gonna get bashed, anyhow, I think im going to have to go 8 inch, I wanted to run a 245 but might just go with a 235, i also will have a hp range similar to yours. well see what happens. but yah if your only concerned with the wheight, then forget it, the extra inch is well worth it in my eyes, as long as you get a good offset.

[nokeone]

there are LOTS of 17x9 decent offset 4 lug wheels out there...you just have to do some hunting...


i would go 17x9 no question...you wont have fitment issues assuming you choose your offset correctly...anywhere in the +15 range and you will be fine...

[aznpoopy]

17x9 +20mm 4x114.3 fn01r-c

splparts.com

[OMGWTFBBQ]

^^^
word
I have a set for sale right now

[mjjstang]

wait wtf thats exactly what i want
i looked at slp they dont have 4x114.3 in 9 inch link please.

edit, how did i miss the little special section, too bad it requires rolling.

[Nizzan4u2nv]

wait wtf thats exactly what i want
i looked at slp they dont have 4x114.3 in 9 inch link please.

Guess you didnt look hard enough.

http://www.splparts.com/Parts/Universal/Exterior/Wheels/5zigen/default.htm

[nokeone]

wait wtf thats exactly what i want
i looked at slp they dont have 4x114.3 in 9 inch link please.

edit, how did i miss the little special section, too bad it requires rolling.

rolling?...no way....30 min, for all 4 corners, with a hammer to those inner fender lip things and it'll fit fine...add some minor camber and you'll be pimpin...(they just say rolling required to cover their asses since with totally stock fenders and no camber you'd rub a lil)

i ran 17x9 +9 offset on stock s13 fenders with just the lip hammered up...2 degrees camber (and i didn't even NEED that much, just wanted it)

[mjjstang]

yes but when s14db showed me this:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/mjjstang/wheels.jpg

I immediately tried to find a local eastwood roller that might be circulating the Michigan streets, btw I just ordered these 17x9 +20 for s13 in hyper black, with some 245/40 MX's

[TheTimanator]

with 245's you will at least need a roll. nokeone was probably running 215/45's or something. Obviously, the car you posted is on a shock/spring combo which is a toally different world then when your running coilovers as far as fitment goes....I swear I have seen pics with those size/offsets and 235's without a pull and they cleared but I could be wrong and I'm too tired to go look for it now :)

[Dousan_PG]

rolling fenders does not require some stupid fender roller
just like neokone said
hammer and some time
done
rolled
and way faster
and costs maybe 12 bucks for the mallet.

[nokeone]

with 245's you will at least need a roll. nokeone was probably running 215/45's or something. Obviously, the car you posted is on a shock/spring combo which is a toally different world then when your running coilovers as far as fitment goes....I swear I have seen pics with those size/offsets and 235's without a pull and they cleared but I could be wrong and I'm too tired to go look for it now :)

good call, i totally spaced on tire size...

you are correct..i run 215/45 up front and 225/45 rear so yeah it's a little easier i guess..

sorry about that...


buuuuut i still think it would be a very easy fit with minor effort on your part regarding the fenders...coilovers and a lil camber do wonders for fitment also..

yeah, hammered fenders, no pull required...

do it!..it's easy and you will love how it looks when your wheels fit nicely..:)

[gumbygrys15]

Does the extra inch of rim outway the advantage of the 1.2 lbs lighter wheel. The Offset I would run 17x8 30 or 35, 17x9 21 or 30. So I will need to buy wide body fender (20mm wider) or roll the fenders.

[mjjstang]

it depends. thats a question that you will have to answer yourself, do you need beefy tires? what will you be doing with your car?

[TheTimanator]

Does the extra inch of rim outway the advantage of the 1.2 lbs lighter wheel. The Offset I would run 17x8 30 or 35, 17x9 21 or 30. So I will need to buy wide body fender (20mm wider) or roll the fenders.
If you reach your power goal...I would say the 1.2 lbs is totally negliable. Even if you don't I'd still personally go with the 17x9's with the +21 offset. You shouldn't need to go with a wide body fender...S14 fenders are pretty big. Buythe 17x9 +21 with the 245's and if they don't clear...figure out how make them fit :)

[S13 Charlie]

Do yourself a favor and go with the 17 x 9's. Are you running coilovers? If so, you'll need to get around a +20 or lower offset to use that size tire in the front. If you're making that kind of power, then 1.2 lbs per wheel is so negligible considering the wider track that the 9" wheel will give you. Put it this way, it's the difference between having 40 lbs/corner or 38.8 lbs/corner. And unless this is a dedicated track car, most of us would never be able to tell the difference.

[DoriftoSlut]

Even if it IS a dedicated track car... with that power, the need for wider wheels heavily outweighs the weight savings. I mean.... if F1 cars (dedicated track cars in the utmost sense) were so concerned about this 1.2 lbs per corner of unsprung weight (it'd make a much larger difference on F1 car than a 240sx) then why wouldn't they go from a 13x15 to a 13x12 (a 1 inch decrease in wheel width is not going to produce the same weight savings as your commercially available 17x8/17x9s. Those are extremely heavy compared to an F1 wheel).



F1 car needs a 15 inch wide wheel. Your car needs a 10 inch wheel but for some reason you are limiting yourself to 8 or.. MAYBE 9. Go for 9 no questions asked. i would go 9 in front 10 in rear. Any day of the week.

[s13coupedude]

I'm having a horrible time finding any good 4 lug rims myself. The 5zigens are about the only ones I can find. Can anyoen direct me to a few more?

[!Zar!]

Man, if you're only worried about 1.2 lbs...

Just urinate before you go for a drive. :P

[OptionZero]

I'm having a horrible time finding any good 4 lug rims myself. The 5zigens are about the only ones I can find. Can anyoen direct me to a few more?

SEARCH

Grenades GX01 or somethin (A Spec Products will supply you)
Mustang Cobra (ebay, $500 or less for a set of 17x9)
aaforementioned SPL Fns

[mikesim]

i know people are going to knock the name, but you could get Motegi Touge's.

they have a variety of 4 lug sizes. 17X9 +24, 18x9 +12, and 18X10 +30. i don't know if you'll need rolling with the 18X9's.

also, consider what tires you'll be using. if you buy 245/40/17 falken zeix 512, or the FK452, you'd be better off buying a 17X8, taking the weight savings and cash savings and buying a better tire like the azenis 615 or advan 048 in 225/45/17

[DoriftoSlut]

-10 points for that last post.

a.) Suggesting Motegi Touges

b.) For running a norrower rim and tyre

c.) Canada Fail.



Why not run 17x9 and a 245 RT615 (or imho Advan AD07)

[supportTHEezln]

I agree that if it's between a 9" and 8" get the 9", but you could still run a 245 on an 8" rim. And you find 4/5 lug combo rims all the time on yahoo auctions for very good prices/sizes/offsets. I'm actually thinking about buying a shitload and selling them here, haha.

[i8yourfwd]

SEARCH

Grenades GX01 or somethin (A Spec Products will supply you)
Mustang Cobra (ebay, $500 or less for a set of 17x9)
aaforementioned SPL Fns
How heavy are those mustang wheels? And what's 4x114.3 converted to "standard" sizing?

[Angel]

-10 points for that last post.

a.) Suggesting Motegi Touges

b.) For running a norrower rim and tyre

c.) Canada Fail.



Why not run 17x9 and a 245 RT615 (or imho Advan AD07)

He was suggesting that with the caveat that the poster use the money saved to run better rubber. Better rubber is far more important than just about any other factor when discussing wheel and tire setups. Still best to run the wider wheel and wider stickier tire.

[aznpoopy]

SEARCH

Grenades GX01 or somethin (A Spec Products will supply you)
Mustang Cobra (ebay, $500 or less for a set of 17x9)
aaforementioned SPL Fns

just another on the list

4x114.3 16x8+10mm rota grids

[OptionZero]

i'm fairly certain that a 225/45/17 RT-615 will outgrip f 245/45/17 Ziex 512...the ziex isn't a performance tire at all, it's for you to put on your mom's Accord to drive to the grocery store every day

[DoriftoSlut]

Yeah but we're not discussing a 17x9 $750 a piece wheel vs. 17x8 $150 a piece. FN01RC 17x8 vs. 17x9 is barely any differece, if none at all.

[Dousan_PG]

weight savings? w/ cast wheels i wouldnt worry about it
get some forged wheels if u really care about weight savings.
yeah it hurts the budget but all cast wheels will mostly be w/in a bit of eachother and then w/ the tire u want...some tires are heavier then others

if u care about weight you wouldnt be rocking cast wheels.

[gumbygrys15]

well the wheels Im planning on getting are the ssr type c or type c-rs, which only weigh about 14lbs for the 17x8 and the 17x9 are about 15lbs. But after reading all of your responces i think i will go with the 17x9 but now which offset should i go with. Now before you guys go crazy about really low offsets, that doesnt matter to me I just want them to fit and not stick out to much. Im running 20mm larger front fenders, and only if i have to i will roll the rears, jic FLTA2 coilovers and stop tech big brake kit w/ z32 in the rear. Thank you guys again for your help.

[gumbygrys15]

sorry for got the offsets hear they are 21, 28, 35, 40

[Dousan_PG]

wide fenders?
depends on camber
but definitely +21 and a 10-25mm spacer depend on the camber and tire size and what u want.

[nokeone]

yeah you will most definately need spacers if you are running wide fenders...

i think it's gonna look weird though if you have wide front fenders with decently flushed wheels and then stock rear fenders...it's gonna look off...

maybe go back to stock front fenders?

[!Zar!]

How heavy are those mustang wheels? And what's 4x114.3 converted to "standard" sizing?
It's 4x4.50 for 4x114.3

It's 5x4.50 for 5x114.3

[gumbygrys15]

245 size width tires is what plan on. Sorry the fenders are not 20mm wider my mistake.

[Dousan_PG]

+21 is still fine. just roll the fenders. you'll be cool
any higher and u wont clear coilovers up front.

[Ricks15]

Instead of rolling the fenders someone told me a trick so you dont rub you're tires, if you cut the inner rim thats inside of the rear fenders with either some metal shears or a electrical grinder, you slice pieces of metal to half of a inch and then with a rubber malet you hit those pices of metal intill there somewhat flush. I have done this on my S13 I dont know if any S14's have that piece of metal which I stated that the S13 has in the fenders. But its a cheap man's way to avoid paying 50 bucks for each rolled fender. trust me Zero offset wheels and blown shocks= sick tire rubbing.

[Dousan_PG]

its free when u use a hammer and muscle

only dummies use the fender roller or pay someone
takes 10 mins
and it DOESNT crack the paint (on the outside)
has the same effect as fender roller

pay 20 bucks and get a propane torch and it folds faster and easier.

[Ricks15]

How about with a bat? I saw that crap on stupid street. With a hammer it can be done but you got to be real carefull because the nissan fenders are tough as fuck so you need good hand and eye cordination:x:

[kay_arsen]

its free when u use a hammer and muscle

only dummies use the fender roller or pay someone
takes 10 mins
and it DOESNT crack the paint (on the outside)
has the same effect as fender roller

pay 20 bucks and get a propane torch and it folds faster and easier.

has anyone here actually used a hammer?
pics? i might just try it, does it look ghetto

[TheTimanator]

has anyone here actually used a hammer?
pics? i might just try it, does it look ghetto
have you seen the pics of Dousan's rear fenders? :rofl: ;)

[Dousan_PG]

i wouldnt use a bat
nissan fenders are tough as shit maybe you need to hit the gym.


i used hammer on some peoples cars. you cant even tell form outside i did. its faster and just as good as a rip off fender roller. which i own as wel but never use anymore.

bats are better for pulling, not rolling.

[s13coupedude]

Does the 240 community frown on using Cobra's? Cause here in Wisconsin Cobra's are everywhere. I actually found 2 sets of 4 lug cobra's at work today just asking around. And I actually like the simple design of Cobra's.

[nokeone]

has anyone here actually used a hammer?
pics? i might just try it, does it look ghetto

have you read the thread?...lol..

everyone i know has used a hammer initially...lol..and then if you want it actually pulled you use a roller...

keep in mind...the only thing this guy needs to do is get rid of the annoying little lip on the inside of the fender...he's not trying to pull his fenders or anything...

one example:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/nokeone/car%20stuff/frontright.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/nokeone/car%20stuff/top.jpg

[Dousan_PG]

man that bumpers seen better days...oh that was when i had it hahahahaha

old times.

[nokeone]

man that bumpers seen better days...oh that was when i had it hahahahaha

old times.

hahha so awesome...best hand-me-down aero ever!!

[s13coupedude]

Hmm can't seem to find any on ebay with 4.50 only 4.25.

[240shorty]

Yah, just to clarify. Mustang wheels are 4x4.25 bolt pattern. They don't work without spacers. Or you can go 5 lug and use 5 lug Cobras.

240= 4x4.5
Mustang= 4x4.25
Result= No worky

In case anyone was confused.

[s13coupedude]

What size spacers would be needed? And about what price would I be looking at for the spacers? Lol added up I could probably just buy some better rims.

[Dousan_PG]

have you seen the pics of Dousan's rear fenders? :rofl: ;)


thats my s14 which gets wide fenders
if i cared i wouldnt have hammered on it w/ a metal 10lb mallet for 1/2 hour.

u wont even see it.


for rolls a hammer is the best bet

[mjjstang]

Does the 240 community frown on using Cobra's? Cause here in Wisconsin Cobra's are everywhere. I actually found 2 sets of 4 lug cobra's at work today just asking around. And I actually like the simple design of Cobra's.

Pllease dude, what kind of question is that. why would you care what someone else thinks, if you like it do it. you could go put an aluminum wing on your car and stickers all over your windshield and I still wouldnt care, as well as many people here, the ones who do care are just whiny bitches who have nothing else to do but whine. If you like em then put them on your car. Great minds don't think alike, they think for themselves.

[TheTimanator]

thats my s14 which gets wide fenders
if i cared i wouldnt have hammered on it w/ a metal 10lb mallet for 1/2 hour.

u wont even see it.


for rolls a hammer is the best bet
yeah i knew that...I was just joking around.
Actually, I think you've convinced me to go grab a hammer and just start hammering my fenders. I assume this will work with the front and rear fenders. I've got a heat shrink gun which should help some.

As far as spacers go...you'll need the +21 offset to clear coilovers and since you said you "just wanted them to fit, and not stick out" I say forget the spacer for now. Put them on your car and if there not flush enough for you with your camber settings and ride height then figure out what size spacer you need and buy it!

[ROGER]

Yah, just to clarify. Mustang wheels are 4x4.25 bolt pattern. They don't work without spacers. Or you can go 5 lug and use 5 lug Cobras.

240= 4x4.5
Mustang= 4x4.25
Result= No worky

In case anyone was confused.


for anyone that likes the cobra wheel's and needs 4 lug, eagle alloys makes a cobra replica wheel i have been considering. it's called the eagle 168. it's offered in 17x9 +23 in chrome, silver, or polished, so says this website here:http://www.bigwheels.net/?location=wheels&action=view_model&model=Eagle%20168


that will worky:wiggle: hope that helps someone out......

[s13coupedude]

Cool thanks for that link ROGER. I can't decide between those or 15" black mesh.

[ROGER]

Cool thanks for that link ROGER. I can't decide between those or 15" black mesh.

no problem. if u go to the sportmax section, they have those 15x8 +0 sportmax 002's as well. if u need an idea of how those would look, here u go......


http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2107990482


found that on carolinanissans forum. guy has coilovers and 205-60's. i personally like the meshie's over all choices, but the cobra's would look good too i think.