PaceSetter® Big Bore "Monza"

[BRSTYLE240SX]

PaceSetter® Big Bore "Monza" Exhaust System Kit for '89-93 Nissan/Datsun 240SX 2.4L

anybody ever heard about those? any good? because i want to improve my exhaust, but i'm still in high school (junior), and i can't really spend the type of $ the apexi is... by the way.. that runs for 165.95

Pace Setter Big Bore "Monza" (http://www.jcwhitney.com/productnoitem.jhtml?CATID=34128&BQ=jcw2&_requestid=9062)

also another question, is it ok for me to buy this kit and then separately buy a new Catalytic Converter? such as this one...
Direct-fit Catalytic Converter (http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=166474&BQ=jcw2&_requestid=9453) or is it not worth it?

[Zemus]

That was a question I was about to ask.  I saw that one, and i liked the price, and from what i hear it adds good HP, but im not sure, i would wait for a responce from the other memebers, maybe have had other experiances with it.  165$s is very nice, im getting it for my birthday, hopfully

[SaintlyCharBoy]

i had a buddy with an se-r he bought a pacesetter header and exhaust, and spent several hours cleaning up the welds inside the exhaust.

it looked like they were stick welded by a first timer, lots of slop and bits of weld sticks stuck all over the place

as with everything else, you get what you pay for

[BRSTYLE240SX]

ok... but after he did that.. was it pretty good? it's not that im cheap.. if i had the $$$ i'd buy anything! it's only that im still a junior in high school.. night part-time... 25-30 hours a week.. well... you know how it is...

should i buy that or am i better off just buying a mufller!?

[Zemus]

See i want it cuz i am a cheap bitch, and i want to get sothing that isent stock, my car is currently runnng around with no muffeler, of course the chicks love the sound, but my dad doesnt, and he said he will get me this one, Not as aggresive, but i think it might do the job

[DSC]

This topic saddens me... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

Some highlights:
"and from what i hear it adds good HP"
"should i buy that or am i better off just buying a mufller!?"
"my car is currently runnng around with no muffeler, of course the chicks love the sound"

"it looked like they were stick welded by a first timer" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
"ok... but after he did that.. was it pretty good? it's not that im cheap.."

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

Guys, Highschool sucks and cars are extremely expensive, you just have to understand that.

You can get an exhaust muffler or the last 2' of your exhaust system if you like, but it won't do much for hp.

Go ahead and get a new muffler to make noise and be like EVERY OTHER FUCKING HIGHSCHOOL KID.
But your just wasteing your money and makeing yourself look like an ass to everybody but your fellow highschool students.

[BRSTYLE240SX]

i understand your sadness, and i am sorry that we are high school kids... but the only thing i can tell you is that we will grow out of it... at least I will... but until then.. please have patience, and faith on us... hehehehe and help us so that like i read in a earlier post "May the rice not be with us"... hehe... but my question didnt get answered.. is that things the same shi* as the muffler that all the other "high school kids" have... or is that better? thank you!

[JEdubz]

DSC knows, I'm in highschool too (16, sophmore)... But I'm not here to make noise. No a Pacesetter muffler won't add any substantial amount of horsepower if you just stick it on. If you are looking for a cheap power upgrade, and are planning on going SR20, then just wait. Once you have it, get a universal muffler ($200) that is made for a turbo car... Sound stupid? That's not the best part. Make sure it has at least an 80mm inlet (we're talking big...) and take the car to a muffler shop... Have the muffler shop make you full exhaust piping 3" in diameter for around $80-$100 bucks.... DSC explained to me earlier about how this isn't such a good idea if you're not a turbo, because the exhaust won't be flowing fast enough with such wide pipes... but once you get a turbo SR, and you do this relatively inexpensive set-up for your exhaust you can expect an easy 10-15 hp increase, and I don't mean 10-15 like Honda *high school kids* think they get out of their intake, I mean 10-15 increase you will see on a test. (or so I have heard).. And you'll be pretty loud, since you seem to like that

[BRSTYLE240SX]

i will not be going KA-T or even SR20.. i will be staying with my KA until i can afford my LEXUS IS 300! or my SC400! nways.... still... is the PaceSetter better or the same as a "perfomance" muffler? ($100-$119,99 mufflers) that you can find anywhere? or is there another exhaust upgrade that you recommend on which i won't be spending as much money as i would for the N1 Dual!? again.. i will not be going turbo or SR20.. im keeping the KA until my Lexus! thank you for the help!

[JEdubz]

Like I said before this will cost you $200 at most for the muffler and $100 at most for the piping.. Thats $300 at most total which if you think you can get an N1 Dual for that price hook it up hook it upp.... Anyways mufflers don't produce much power. Especially regular Mufflers and not Exhaust Systems. A Pacesetter will not make you any faster, rather make you more a target to being ridiculed by people who have fast cars, and a noisy target for cops... "Don't do it doggg it just aint worth it" - DMX

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BRSTYLE240SX @ May 30 2002,09:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i will not be going KA-T or even SR20.. i will be staying with my KA until i can afford my LEXUS IS 300! or my SC400! nways.... still... is the PaceSetter better or the same as a "perfomance" muffler? ($100-$119,99 mufflers) that you can find anywhere? or is there another exhaust upgrade that you recommend on which i won't be spending as much money as i would for the N1 Dual!? again.. i will not be going turbo or SR20.. im keeping the KA until my Lexus! thank you for the help!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
In this case, just by a cheapo muffler from ebay (i think they run for about $80). you still won't get any performance, but since you feel like spending money to make your car rice, this will be prolly the cheapest.

[West]

Have you gotten some ass from the way your muffler sounds? Thought so... Now quit trying to impress girls with your broken car and mod your car for the right reason.

Pacesetter headers on the other hand are 110% Crap. On a lighter note, alot of Z owners like the Pacesetter Exhaust. Although its not the best quality, its fairly priced, might give you SOME small gain, but on a 4 banger id imagine it would sound like ass, but thats just me. Ive never known a 240 owner to have one of these so I cant really say how it is on the 240, if you have no exhaust right now then just buy the Pacesetter.

[BRSTYLE240SX]

ok.. you said if you have no muffler get the pacesetter.. what about if you have stock mufler? should i get a stock replacement or the pacesetter!?

[camppain]

1. im still in h.s.

so what save up money take the bus if you have too.
99.9% of the people you know in h.s. you will never talk to after you graduate.

2. i dont have money.
Look at #1 and save money if you want real mods

a tech threw a pacesetter on his dohc fb it sounded ok <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

still cheaper than getting a nissan oem exhaust (trust me!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> and even cheaper than a key value from nissan.


but like said by me and everyone else say no to pace setter.

i threw a pacesetter header on my buddy's sr20de the paint flakes off after about 4 days and all is left is bare rustable metal. but it made a lsight noticeable improvement.

and for your info dsc is still in hs also he's taken his time modding his car and he's done it the right way.

[BRSTYLE240SX]

thank you! that was all i need all along! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> even tough it goes against what all of you think.. i am getting the pacesetter! one of us has to try it! i will be getting it this week.. next week i'll let you guys know how bad it is.. or if it's good! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[Natty]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (camppain @ May 29 2002,12:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">99.9% of the people you know in h.s. you will never talk to after you graduate.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You have no idea how true that is. I graduated a week ago and when I see people ocassionally that I may have had calss with 3 years ago, I don't have to say a word to them! I am so glad I am done with that shit, but I digress...

About the Pacesetter catback system...
I was looking into this, but I determined it was crap. This board and two other messgae boards all told me their horror stroies. Paint melts off, leaves a crappy metal finish, it rusts, nasty sound on a KA engine, smells like burning paint for 3000 miles, no perfomance, the list goes on....

If you want performance without cost, get a 5zigen knockoff universal muffler (www.pdm-racing.com). Have a shop make 2.25" mandrel bent tubing from the catback, and weld the muffler on. You may sound a little ricey, but you will be cheaper and have more quality and power. DO NOT JUST GET A MUFFLER! It is a waste of money, unless you don;t have a muffler at all and you want to be cheap. You'll still sound like a lawnmower though &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

BRSTYLE240SX, go for it man. It's not like it is that expnesive. Let us know how it works (Guinea pig! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> ) Just kidding...

Jeff

[ca18guy]

Have never ever heard one good thing about a pacesetter product. Stay stock or just get a muffler for looks (oni) If u did get it I look foward to your future posts about how quickly it rusted away or general complaining.

[bing]

AHEM......

Jonsey on this forum has it, he likes it.

it's inexpensive, looks nicer than stock and it's not too loud, just a nice grumble.

It's pacesetter, dont buy it if your looking for gains, it's probably a step up from oem, but maybe not..

just fucking get it......

then when it falls apart in a few years, get an Apexi N1 dual

[Matt240SE]

Whats wrong with getting the Apex N1 or the Dunk muffler?? You KNOW those are quality and eventhough you pay for the quality you also know they will last. So save up a little more and get one of them. Or spend more money and get the Blitz NUR muffler which I saw on a website that was in one of the threads i think it was www.cartunemotorsports.com (http://www.cartunemotorsports.com) it was somewhere around $200 or more.

Oh well I probaly just wasted my breath. But I plan on getting the N1 with custom piping just cause its cheap and I want to go turbo pretty soon.

[CrazyGoofyWeirdGuy]

This thread should have died a long time ago. &nbsp;Why even mod the 240 at all if your just saving for an IS or SC? &nbsp;Just save your money for the car. Youll be X% closer to that car. &nbsp;Hit a junk yard, or ask for peeps old one, and replace stock. &nbsp;You are obviously rice if you are modding a car you arent intending to keep and mod to the fullest. &nbsp;used OEM, save your dough, and rice out a Lexus.

[ca18guy]

It's not rice to mod a car but not with the intent to take it all the way. Some people just want some extra pep in there car. hell I only bought a boost controller for my car and nothing else, is that rice? But alias in this case there just looking for looks, the way there going about it isn't all that bad (who cares it's a muffler)

[DuffMan]

The Pacesetter isn't THAT bad, the main problem with it is the quality. It is mandrel bent so you should get some performance gains, the real issue is rust. Maybe you could do some ghetto rust proofing by spraying the inside with high-temp engine paint or something, and at least prevent the end of it from rusting. Or if you move to Arizona, you're all good. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Anyway if you get it, make a sound recording of it if you can. It would be interesting to hear how it sounds unbiased by snobbery.

[Sick240]

This is really, a do what you wanna do type thing, but I just finished my Junior year in HS today, and I still saved my money on the cheap crap, and got an Apexi N1 cat-back, I wouldnt reccomend getting anything that "sucks" just to tie you over, you will be wasting that $165 when you have to replace it later, keep saving! Lates!

[BRSTYLE240SX]

ok.. first of all... i did say i was saving up for my IS or my SC! but i never said anything about selling the 240! or anything about not moddifying it all the way! i said i wasnt planning on going KA-T or SR20, but people change their minds! like right now im starting to think about SR20!! i never said i'd sell my 240! never! so why are you guys telling me that i should keep it the way it is... keep it stock and simple and "rice out the lexus" what the hell was that all about!!!?? i ask one question about something i dont know about and all of a sudden i'm rice! chill out people omg! you guys convinced me not to buy that thing! thank you for talking me out of it... but seriously.. if anybody mentions anything that you think it's rice you get all over the guy! like me.. talk me out of it.. dont get mad at me! thats why i joined this post! to look for help! if all i wanted was to get verbally abused i'd just talk to my mom! heheheheheehehe! thanks nways guys.. it's still funny to see things! hehehe buh-bye!

[wherezmytofu]

if u want 2 hab the loudest car........ <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[DSC]

"You are obviously rice if you are modding a car you arent intending to keep and mod to the fullest"

Yeah, that was definately a lame comment <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>
Nobody keeps their car forever and I don't think everybody that mods their car thinks they will have it forever...if they do they are just kidding themselves.

But like camp said, i'm still in HS [graduate in 2 weeks w00t!] and I can't stand cars with stuff just to be loud.
Actually I can't stand most HS kids but thats beside the point <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'> *I could rant about their pure "lameness" for hours*

If you HAVE to be cheap, get a custom ~2.5" mandrel bent exhaust for like <$100 and a $100 muffler. That will actually give you a performance gain. Or better yet, be patient, mod your car slowly and do it the right way...

The paceheader exhaust is just the muffler and the piping upto your rear axle (axleback vs catback).
$200 for a full catback that will actually do something or $160+s&h for an axle back thats too large mounted to a pipe thats too small...

[nrcooled]

phew!!!! another 240 saved from ricing hell.....So God does listen to my prayers

Now to ask for that big ass HKS GT turbo <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[wherezmytofu]

last time i check...a "ricer" has nuhting 2 do with the intent of the lenght a person plans 2 keep a car......and very few people "mod to the fullest" &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[S13FREEAAK]

I still think that the "LED flame" muffler tip from APC is better than the pacesetter <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[BRSTYLE240SX]

ok.. this thread was really helpfull.. i will not buy that pacesetter.. i will hold on.. and buy my N1 Dual.. even tough seems to me like 70% of modified 240s have them.. and it wont be an original mod.. but seems to me like it's the best for the 240, and thats what i will do! its not that much money! i was looking at the apexi site and it listed for 675.. i was like what the freak? but then i looked some more.. and you can find it for like 500 bucks.. plus i'd try to find a dealer around here because since my step dad has a shop they usually give him a discount.. so i'll check that out too.. altough i dont know if he'll get a discount on perfomance parts.. but worth to look rite? thank you and have a good one! hehehe &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[S13FREEAAK]

Well that's alot better.

btw: I've heard that pacesetter exhaust systems decrease hp

Joe <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

[BRSTYLE240SX]

damn.. i hate this.. just when i make up my mind.. something else hits me.. what about a custom exhaust? such as like a straight pipe with no cat? or is there nothing better then n1 dual?

[CrazyGoofyWeirdGuy]

Let me apologize for saying that. IMHO it seemed you just wanted to be loud and seen. If that is not your intentions, then by all means ghetto rig the Pace and run with it. Or shit, save for the N1 or SR20. My thoughts, for what it matters, make the IS/SC you pimp ride, and max out the 240 for the track. From what I seen and hear, the pace's seem to be shit, and if you save that money NOW you can eventually get the N1 or be that much closer to the SR which is my dream.

&nbsp; &nbsp; I have noticed a lot of High School talk, shit I'm in high school. For another year after this. I failed due to a LLLONG ass story. &nbsp;However, please dont lable me as some tight ass high school fuck who found a 240 in Import Tuner or some shit. &nbsp;I am not rice in any form. &nbsp;I love racing, and I love cars whether they be from the US, UK, or JP. Dont peg me as a HS "lammer". &nbsp;I study, and learn as much as possible on a subject before offering my opinion or facts to which I beleive are true. &nbsp;

To sum it up.

Apology+No loud+ghetto+NI/SR+NOhighschool= the end

edit - let me clarify mod and keeping. I was under the impression this was a hold over until he reaches the SC or IS. To me, if you are going to slap a loud exhaust on your car, with no intentions to gain serious horse power, then your on the limit. But like Cal18guy said some people want a little extra PEP in their ride. But look at the situation, if he were to hold the car JUST as a beater until he got the SC/IS it would seem rather pointless to spend hard earned cash on something that you wont be using. But like I stated about, I was under impression.

[BRSTYLE240SX]

i wouldnt call the lexus a pimp ride.. but thats kind of why i want it... hehe... and i will be keeping the 240 for as long as i can, and i intend to fully mod it... at first i wasnt thinking about buying the pacesetter.. i just wanted to find out sum info about it.. its a piece of shit.. lolol as i have found out... and i would not get it... my only doubt now is.. exhaust will be my first mod.. for sure... i need to know if i should go N1 dual or should i go and do a custom exhaust? custom would prob. be less money, but i don't want to be heard 10 miles away... can I with a custom exhaust, get similar hp gain, similar sound to the n1 dual but for less money?

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 30 2002,5:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">phew!!!! another 240 saved from ricing hell.....So God does listen to my prayers

Now to ask for that big ass HKS GT turbo <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
mmmmm &nbsp; Ball Bearings. &nbsp;yummy &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>


---BRstyle - there are other exhausts besides the dual. &nbsp;Actually the dual is kind of a middle of the road, all around exhaust. &nbsp;I think there must be at least 20 different Cat-back systems for the 240. &nbsp;Look around, do some research. &nbsp;THEN decide. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;Good luck, and happy Modding


lol - damnit WeST.. &nbsp;everytime I make a post now.. &nbsp;I still see this guy: &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;and think of Meowths Chick & S13grl and laugh.. rofl.. &nbsp;anyway.. &nbsp;

Pacesetter = &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

[xhdriver]

just get a nitrous kit, they are alot of fun.
but if you do,you should get the handheld button switch, not the throttle switch, they are way too fun. and cheap