Rear Strut Bar

[240sBoMex]

Check out this link 240sx Rear Strut Bar (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1831609742&r=0&t=0)
and this too btw
Front Strut bar (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1831618348&r=0&t=0)

I thought there is no Rear Strut Bar for S14 models, and they look nonadjustable like all 240sx's are the same underneath. I also heard OBX is not too good, but whew $40 sounds good if its an Ok strut bar. Anybody had good/bad experience with these? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

[Yoshi]

no rear strut bar? &nbsp;The rear one is the most important for our cars (well, that's arguable... it's the most important for me since ace sez I like "curb humping").

OBX is not a very good company, but when it comes to STBs, I honestly don't believe it matters that much, it's been argued over and over and over; I say a bar is a bar is a bar <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

as for adjustable... I looked at your link... they look adjustable to me... what makes u say they look non adjustable?
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

[240sBoMex]

Really? They Do look adjustable? They just don't look like the other kinds of rear strut bars out there ive seen, this one looks pretty simple, your probly rite tho.
I agree too that all u need is a piece of metal for a strut bar, but I think holes in them, like oBX has, make em more worse.

[Yoshi]

as far as adjustability, look at the nuts on both ends of hte rear tower (Front also for that matter), you spin the bar itself to lengthen/shorten the ends then tighten down the nuts to hold it in place. &nbsp;It just may seem like it's not adjustable cuz in the pic the bars are at their narrowest adjustment.

The holes may make the bars marginally. Tho that's a BIG "may". &nbsp;Similar to the same principal that makes a pipe more structurally strong that a solid cylinder of metal.

for the price, u can't really get much better <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;I'd say just go for it. &nbsp;Hope this helps.

[240sBoMex]

yup helps alot, but wut about OBX R Front Strut Bar's fitment...just searched up old Tazmania's post
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have purchased the OBX R Frt Strut Bar for the 97' 240sx se. It fits into the bolts, but when I close the hood, the top of the bars touch the middle of the hood, unabling the hood
to close!! &nbsp;I think the person who sold it to me had the same year car and since he couldn't put it in his car sold it to me!! maybe it will fit right on to 95-96 cars, if it has the different demention on the hoods!! Is there solution to the fitment? could I bend the bars a little to fit it in my car? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Could that be a fixable problem?

[Yoshi]

Hmm... well, I'm not sure how much help I can be to you there. &nbsp;I have a s13... however, depending on how much the par touches the hood, you may be able to use a dead blow hammer on the hood support that it touches and dent it in a bit, I wouldn't go too far though, only if it was a slight clearance issue, you don't want to weaken your hood too much (you also don't want it to vibrate against the bar and have to put some kind of heat resistant pad there,that would look really ghetto). &nbsp;

One of those things you wouldn't know until you tried it yourself i'm afraid, but then you could always put it right back on ebay if it didn't work quite right <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

last note: I definitely wouldn't bend the bar, putting a new stress point in the bar would pretty much negate the whole point of the bar. &nbsp;I hope Taz didn't do that.

[jyt747]

IMHO, there is no real function of the rear strut bar that goes underneath the car for the S14. The only rear strut bars that serve a performance purpose is the one that goes up on top by the rear speaker panels. A number of makers have them like cusco, nismo, etc... but they're relatively expensive. Eibach also has one that's a bit cheaper. As far as the front strut bar, many people have complained about the obx fitment issues (not being able to close the hood, etc...), but I guess you pay for what you get. Hope this helps &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[DSC]

1st the guy who made the auction for the rear is a total moron
"NISSAN 240SX *RED* COMPETITION STRUT BAR [email protected]"
I would never buy from anybody with wording like that. "[email protected]" or "competition" wtf...
Anyway, from what I was told on this board (ca18guy IIRC) the section strut tie bars are supposed to strengthen is not a weak point on our cars, thus makeing the bar just a "show peice" with no performance gains.

As for the rear strut tower brace, cusco, nismo, jic, and maybe more make strut tower braces for the s14. &nbsp;Some (like the nismo) requires you to cut holes in your rear "deck" and have the bar above your speakers. &nbsp;Others (like the cusco) go below the rear "deck" and require no modification.

As for what they do there are two articles you should read b4 buying...one (http://www.turnfast.com/tech_handling/handling_chassis.lasso) two (http://e30m3performance.com/myths/Strutbar_Theory/strut_bar_theory.htm)

The auction for the front bar has ended but again, I wouldn't buy e-bay crap...
Here's a clip from the front bar auction for shits and giggles...

"1995-1999 NISSAN 240SX

S14

ALL MODELS"

There is no 1999 240sx...

"MSRP $149.99"

uh hu, sure...

[Yoshi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jyt747 @ May 28 2002,5:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IMHO, there is no real function of the rear strut bar that goes underneath the car for the S14.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'll have to disagree there, while I don't personally have one on my car (yet), I've driven my friend's hachi before and after, and it significantly helped in reducing rear wheel hop I thought... though I admit I only got to run it a couple times (he totalled it, long story) while I agree that the upper rear brace is the more important of the 2, it's far from pointless.

edit: also DSC hit the nail on the head about hte BS ebay advertising :/ &nbsp; even if it was $150 msrp, who in their right mind would pay that? $150? OBX? umm... no thanks, Cusco please.

[jyt747]

I don't have one either, but that's what everyone says about it.

"Anyway, from what I was told on this board (ca18guy IIRC) the section strut tie bars are supposed to strengthen is
not a weak point on our cars, thus makeing the bar just a "show peice" with no performance gains." (DSC quote)

I could be wrong, but the only ones I see on cars that serve a function is on fwd.

Note: this is just an opinon based on what i've seen and heard. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[flipboi13]

Busted up Corolla GT-S?? &nbsp;Eww... Only gods drive those, and there aren't many gods these days... &nbsp;What a waste....

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ May 29 2002,4:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">edit: also DSC hit the nail on the head about hte BS ebay advertising :/ even if it was $150 msrp, who in their right mind would pay that? $150? OBX? umm... no thanks, Cusco please.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I dunnow about this guys. I just got my front strut for $19.99+$10s&h from ebay
It might be crap, but it's ok. The bolts don't unscrew (2nd day driving and it's still as fixed as when i installed it), everything cleared, nothing was in the way, the installation took no more than 5minutes from opening to closing the hood. the clearence between the hood and strut is fine. So maybe it's not cusco, but hey, its 8 times cheaper, so i'm not complaining. as for functioning, the front is more solid now. Can't compare the effects with cusco cuz i never had it on, but again, i'm fine with the one i got for now.

[Yoshi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 30 2002,10:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ May 29 2002,4:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">edit: also DSC hit the nail on the head about hte BS ebay advertising :/ even if it was $150 msrp, who in their right mind would pay that? $150? OBX? umm... no thanks, Cusco please.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I dunnow about this guys. I just got my front strut for $19.99+$10s&h from ebay
It might be crap, but it's ok. The bolts don't unscrew (2nd day driving and it's still as fixed as when i installed it), everything cleared, nothing was in the way, the installation took no more than 5minutes from opening to closing the hood. the clearence between the hood and strut is fine. So maybe it's not cusco, but hey, its 8 times cheaper, so i'm not complaining. as for functioning, the front is more solid now. Can't compare the effects with cusco cuz i never had it on, but again, i'm fine with the one i got for now.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Perhaps I stand corrected, they're NOT adjustable? I don't see how this can be? Just by design of how these bars are, you have to thread the interior of the main bar part just to connect it to the strut tower mounts... seems only logical... are you sure they're not just really tightly on there? That doesn't seem right.

Oh, and the Cusco/Nismo/etc vs. OBX/Pilot/etc bars... if you'll check back to my first post on this thread (1st reply to the original post), I say "a bar is a bar is a bar". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
I have PDM, and I'm quite happy with it.


umm.... double post? err sorries... soemeone kill the dupe

[Yoshi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 30 2002,10:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ May 29 2002,4:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">edit: also DSC hit the nail on the head about hte BS ebay advertising :/ even if it was $150 msrp, who in their right mind would pay that? $150? OBX? umm... no thanks, Cusco please.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I dunnow about this guys. I just got my front strut for $19.99+$10s&h from ebay
It might be crap, but it's ok. The bolts don't unscrew (2nd day driving and it's still as fixed as when i installed it), everything cleared, nothing was in the way, the installation took no more than 5minutes from opening to closing the hood. the clearence between the hood and strut is fine. So maybe it's not cusco, but hey, its 8 times cheaper, so i'm not complaining. as for functioning, the front is more solid now. Can't compare the effects with cusco cuz i never had it on, but again, i'm fine with the one i got for now.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Perhaps I stand corrected, they're NOT adjustable? I don't see how this can be? Just by design of how these bars are, you have to thread the interior of the main bar part just to connect it to the strut tower mounts... seems only logical... are you sure they're not just really tightly on there? That doesn't seem right.

Oh, and the Cusco/Nismo/etc vs. OBX/Pilot/etc bars... if you'll check back to my first post on this thread (1st reply to the original post), I say "a bar is a bar is a bar". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
I have a PDM, and I'm quite happy with it.

[HippoSleek]

A few things:

1) DSC vs. Yoshi re: rear lower strut tie bar (RLSTB). First, I have NO idea how that could help a hachi - they have a solid rear axle. What the hell do you tie together that isn't already tied with a steel beam? I agree they are useless on a 240sx due to the multi-link design. There is a reason that I've never seen a Cusco or Do-Luck RLSTB. They offer a slight benefit on a double wishbone set up. Mostly they look m4d tiiite, yo.

2) Ebay advertising - what the hell is "GX Competition" and how strong is that?

3) To the extent you are doing any bracing back there, the hatchback s13 needs it. The s13 couple could use it. And it wouldn't be a bad thing on an s14. Personally, bracing for the back of the car is about the last thing I would buy - but I would never buy a RLSTB

4) The "most important" thing for that end of your car is a sway bar.

5) How the hell did we get from rear lower tie bar to FSTB?

what a bizarre post...

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ May 31 2002,10:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Perhaps I stand corrected, they're NOT adjustable? I don't see how this can be? Just by design of how these bars are, you have to thread the interior of the main bar part just to connect it to the strut tower mounts... seems only logical... are you sure they're not just really tightly on there? That doesn't seem right.

Oh, and the Cusco/Nismo/etc vs. OBX/Pilot/etc bars... if you'll check back to my first post on this thread (1st reply to the original post), I say "a bar is a bar is a bar". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
I have a PDM, and I'm quite happy with it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
well, what i meant was the bolts that connect the rod itself to the mounts. After i tightened them they haven't gotten lose yet, so it doesn't shake around in there. I htink what i bought is exactly the pdm bar, cuz after closely looking at them the only difference i found was the mount color (pdm - blue, mine - black)

Hippo, so the rear lower strut for s14s would be useless??

[Yoshi]

1) maybe they are just to look tyte, I just know what I felt on other cars, and I liked it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> hehee as far as the hachi, I don't know squat about them cept they're a whole lot of fun, I just know what my friend told me he'd done, so maybe he was BSing me, I dunno why he would? doesn't matter.

2) GX Competition = "our chit iz mad fast y0!" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

3) for me, when you're throwing your cars booty round twisties, a RUSTB is very important to the feel of the drift

5) seems like almost all posts meander somewhere other than their original intent <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;but it's fun along the way <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[HippoSleek]

Kre - yeah- my view is that one of those won't do much, if anything for your handling. &nbsp;There are about 200 things that would do more for you.

Yosh -
1) &nbsp;I agree they give some feel w/ some cars (Hondas), they just aren't really designed to aid RWD applications. &nbsp;No idea about the hachi - he might have been confused or you might have misunderstood him - doesn't matter.

3) &nbsp;Well sure - you have a hatch! &nbsp;If you lost some weight and got some bracing back there like a coupe <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> you wouldn't feel it as much. &nbsp;I used to own a Civic hatch and that was the fouth most important susp. mod, imho (rear sway, shocks, springs, RSTB, FSTB, crazy stuff...).