help on building a drift track

[jdmsil80]

whats going on guys,

my dad and i were having a discusion about land, location, track layout and all that other sh*t. but we got stuck on one part that we have no clue on. PRICE. would anyone in here know, or point us in the right direction to get prices on all that?? the more that we know about cost, location and all that great stuff, the sooner we can get started on having a track available in Vegas. so please, if you guys have any info, plz help us out.

thanks guys,
troy

[ALTRNTV]

Wow. Trying to open up a track in Vegas? Land there is cheap, so you have that going for you.

[jdmsil80]

Wow. Trying to open up a track in Vegas? Land there is cheap, so you have that going for you.

yea, hopefully everything works out that way.

[ThatGuy]

Contact other tracks and see if they can tell you. I highly doubt that the majority of Zilvia knows the answer. If we could all afford to build tracks, we wouldn't have so many "Slid into a curb/mountain/pole/etc. and screwed up my car" threads. Good luck to you and your father with your build. Be sure to let us know what it takes.

[jdmsil80]

Contact other tracks and see if they can tell you. I highly doubt that the majority of Zilvia knows the answer. If we could all afford to build tracks, we wouldn't have so many "Slid into a curb/mountain/pole/etc. and screwed up my car" threads. Good luck to you and your father with your build. Be sure to let us know what it takes.


haha, thas a good idea bro, thanks alot. as soon as we get started i wil post up what is needed and how much.

[andrewmp6]

yeah there right and id look at drift videos and like sky shots of the track and see how long and how many turns you wanna do

[mellojoe]

Call the local tracks. Many times you'll find someone willing to talk.

I wouldn't call the CLOSEST track to what you are building, as you may run into a little bad blood as far as competition goes. But, most people in the car industry are pretty good people (from my experience) and if you open up a dialog, there is no telling how much information you could gleam.

[jdmsil80]

what do you mean by dialog??
for those in here that live in Vegas, what kind of track layout would you like to have?? what kind of turns, speed, etc..any input would help alot.

[SilviaNinja240]

I'm assuming you just need to buy land, and then hire some contracters to build some roads and that's about it, maybe..

[m0rex]

I'm assuming you just need to buy land, and then hire some contracters to build some roads and that's about it, maybe..

Sounds a little bit too easy. If you find any information please post it up. I've also been thinking of making a track or just a big parking lot.

[REDSH!FT]

Think insurance...


You have to implement safety precautions and such. Also think of accomodations...bathrooms, water, electricity, stands? garages? club house? etc...

the list goes on


you'll probably be looking at a start up cost upwards of 25 million dollars i'd assume

[reflexdb]

Yes, definately not cheap. Also, consider (just as any raceway does) the complaints that you will get from people living nearby. I'm in Colorado, and one of our SCCA raceways, Second Creek in Denver, was just permenatly closed due to this. I think that the hardest part will be to find land that the city or county that its in will let you build a track on. Then, accomodations for drivers/guest like pit area, bathrooms, food, etc. Then on top of it all, find a way to make profit when drivers won't want to pay more than say $50 a day for track time. Will be tough to do, but good luck. I would love to see it made.

[m0rex]

25 Mill!? Damn now that just sounds too much. Aint it? I kinda imagine asking a outdoor go-cart track owner for some suggestions. Its not cars but the tracks they make aint that bad just add some more concrete.

This reminds me... i sneaked my s14 in to some oval outdoor go-cart track during the night a while ago. Hella fun drifting that track it was as smooth as a babies ass. I was just hoping not to get caught or i'd be in serious trouble. I tore it up big time though.

[jdmsil80]

yea, 25mil does sound like too much. but we have already considered the sound, bathrooms, a lil pit area and stands and such. about the food, we are loking for a place thats next to an IN n OUT!! muAHaHaHa...or its gonna be something like BYOF!! j/k. but the go-kart kind layout sounds like a good idea. cause what i was thinking like 10 min ago was to have a wide open track, set up cones..nothing permanent so i can have gymkana and drifting. you know? i think a mix with those would be good. but we are still looking for prices thru diff contractors...and the laws and ordinances things, my dad knows a few ppl so hes not worried about that.

i will keep you guys updated if things start rolling. thanks for the help guys! anymore is welcome!


-troy

[Fibercus]

Should ask some of the Drift Association people.

Mind you this is in theory, but Im sure you could rent out garages on site (for business). Driver $50/day rates wouldnt be your only income im sure. memberships, who knows...

[jdmsil80]

what we are thinking of either building one...or renting a big ass parking lot for now and see how that goes with how many ppl wil be showing up and all that jazz. something like that would give us an idea of how many ppl we would be getting if we built a real track.

not sure though.

[TAMTANIUM]

There are many things you will have to think about..

1st thing is buying a land.
2nd design a layout with your contructors.
3rd develope the ground.
4th safety have to meet.
5th consider about insurance cost.
6th safety people on the track.

If you're going to do it, then do it right. Have like a pit area to change tires is a good thing for people. Design a course layout with nice radial turns and different speed entry turns. Don't do it too short like go kart track, can't get enough speed = no fun. If you watch Drift Bible DVD there is a drift land in Japan. You should do something like that too. Your income can come from private drift practice, small events, big events, and long term memberships. You can also do a ticket system like the famous Nurburgring track in Germany. Have people pay for a ticket to enter the track and each ticket is good for one lab. Each lab would be like $2-5 and they can choose how many times they want to go. I'm sure people wouldn't care to spend that amount of money. Talk to Drift Association people like Naoki and Moto. I'm sure they will help you out with insurance and stuff like that. That's all I can think of to help you out man. I always wanted to open my own race track too. Good luck.

[Realchaos1]

A simple track for autocross/timeattack/drift could be as simple as building an oversized parking lot with a building with car ports, an office and bleachers.

25 Million is rediciulous, we arn't building Irwindale Speedway!

First off, entreprenuers (if i spent that right,) need a rough estimate to see how much a business will cost them. Money comes from Loans/Investors/whateva. If you and your father have the money in the pocket, thats a good thing (no interest rate from the pocket).

You can build a parking lot and host what ever the hell you want, just as long as your insurance will cover the events. Anyone with the credit/money could build a parking lot and host events every weekend and start to draw in money.

[jdmsil80]

There are many things you will have to think about..

1st thing is buying a land.
2nd design a layout with your contructors.
3rd develope the ground.
4th safety have to meet.
5th consider about insurance cost.
6th safety people on the track.

If you're going to do it, then do it right. Have like a pit area to change tires is a good thing for people. Design a course layout with nice radial turns and different speed entry turns. Don't do it too short like go kart track, can't get enough speed = no fun. If you watch Drift Bible DVD there is a drift land in Japan. You should do something like that too. Your income can come from private drift practice, small events, big events, and long term memberships. You can also do a ticket system like the famous Nurburgring track in Germany. Have people pay for a ticket to enter the track and each ticket is good for one lab. Each lab would be like $2-5 and they can choose how many times they want to go. I'm sure people wouldn't care to spend that amount of money. Talk to Drift Association people like Naoki and Moto. I'm sure they will help you out with insurance and stuff like that. That's all I can think of to help you out man. I always wanted to open my own race track too. Good luck.

the drift land i have been trying to talk to my dad about, but i have to buy the DVD so he knows what im talking about. and as far as pricing goes, i WAS planning on $50 a day. but i also dont want to be charging soo much if its gonna be open everyday. i also have been thinking if ppl paid a certain amount up front for a membership then that would be good.

btw, how is that sale on your car going?? its prretty clean!:mrmeph:

A simple track for autocross/timeattack/drift could be as simple as building an oversized parking lot with a building with car ports, an office and bleachers.

25 Million is rediciulous, we arn't building Irwindale Speedway!

First off, entreprenuers (if i spent that right,) need a rough estimate to see how much a business will cost them. Money comes from Loans/Investors/whateva. If you and your father have the money in the pocket, thats a good thing (no interest rate from the pocket).

You can build a parking lot and host what ever the hell you want, just as long as your insurance will cover the events. Anyone with the credit/money could build a parking lot and host events every weekend and start to draw in money.


thats actually what my dad wants to do FIRST before opening a track. rent out parkinglots every weekend, see how it turns out with ppl showing up and if its REALLY good then we can go further on with the track. but i want the track NOW!! muaHaAHaHa...but we will see what happens. we are gonna be driving around Vegas today looking at some property and where tracks are do-able.

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

I wish I had the funds to start something like that in the North Texas area. I know a few people that have been thinking about it, and trying to figure it out too. I think it would have people coming from all the texas area and even ok, la, hell even farther if it is a good layout and has some type of pit area to change out tires. I was thinking of something similar to the storage sheds you see....about 5-8 feet deep and about 10 feet across. You could even have that and easily run electric supplied pits and non-electric. Then charge for the electric pits as needed. This could help income. Run water through even if it is just a spout like for the water hose....hook up hoses and you have drinking water, cooling water....whatever. I have been thinking alot about this actually. I would love to do it...if he know's the people and has the dough tell him to put one near me and I will be first in line for a job/membership for life.

[DoriftoSlut]

If this actually does go through, it would be completely worthless to have a track where you setup the course w/ cones. WTFparking lots you can already use!!



For layout? make the main straight be top of 3rd gear, and replicate fairly closely the layouts of Ebisu South, Ebisu West, Sekia Hills, Bihoku Highland, or Nikko.


If you can do that, the finished product would be a world-class drift course, that would cater to everything, not just some local amatuers.

[jdmsil80]

those are the kind of courses that we ARE trying to find land for and all that. cause when we use bare land, we have to build drainage ditches for when it rains, run water lines, electrical lines, the government BS, the environmental BS and as well as the surrounding communities.
we drove around Vegas today for about 4hrs looking for some open land that wasnt near any residential areas. we found about 2-3 possibilities. one - on boulder highway. two - near the strip. and the last one was near the freeway at the entrance to Vegas. so, we will see what happens. keep you guys updated.