Nissan Privateer Cup Races?

[slider2828]

I was watching some BMI DVD's last night and they were doing the HatchiRoku N2 races. I was wondering if we should start organizing a yearly event for Nissan Silvia/240sx racing/Sentra/GTiR cup. Basically a day of back to back racing.

The Sentra/240sx would be a N2, but modified street setup (non-turbo). Roll cages, stripped interior all ok. Basically no professional scca cars nor professional race drivers, so everyone gets a chance. Like 2 - 10 car qualifying sessions in the morning and each top 7 cars from both sessions moves up to a 13-14 car final in the afternoon....

Then there would be a modified class where turbo charged vehicles can be entered. Probably any car B or S chassis. Obviously a RWHP limit of 280, non nitrous, and visual inspections needed. Same driving rules as above, no SCCA cars nor licensed race car drivers. 2 - 10 car qualifying in the morning and giving up to a 14 car race final.....

Both classes requiring pump gas only.....

I have Thunderhill in mind... Maybe on a Sat and if the cup expands, take sunday as well. What do guys think? People do this in Japan all the time.....

[Yuri]

I'd love to see an S-chassis time attack here. The hachi guys get theirs... so with all the 240's out here, I don't see why we don't have one yet.:bigok:

[WhiteGLX]

getting a bunch of people whoa rnt certified drivers onto a track for competition will never happen, HUGE inscurance liability, even the driving schools arnt allowed to keep lap times for students because it would count as a competative event making it break the rules of the inscurance contract with the track.

it would be cool, and NASA SE-R Cup allowes 240sx non turbos and turbos into race classes now with Sentras, but everyone must have a race license and a fully race prepared car.

[EchoOfSilence]

i think he meant no competition license?

anyway, i agree with whiteGLX. You'd have to find another way of keeping the pro's out of this. I'd be down for this sort of event.

[Flybert]

I would smash you all.

If you wanna race 240sx's, join the SE-R cup.

[slider2828]

You got any info on the SE-R cup? I never even heard of it since most people here are 240's, but seems based on comments, SE-R cup don't allow turbos and well to be honest, its knocks out a lotta people nowadays. But seems like all competitions need a roll cage nasa and scca.... Are there any that don't?

[Flybert]

Here is the forum for the SE-R cup. http://www.sr20forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78

And yes, there is a class for turbo 240sx's with SR motors. It's not as popular because it is less grass roots due to the lack of restrictions on the car. Pretty sure the class is called SR-X.

As for wheel to wheel racing without a cage, that just doesn't sounds like the best idea to me, especially racing with people that don't have racing licenses. Just seems like a dangerous mix to me. If I'm going to be going 100+ around a track with people trying to pass me and cut me off and bump me, as well as going into corners at 100+ while trying to go as deep as possible for a pass, you better bet I'm going to want a cage and harness, especially in a turbocharged vehicle.

What kind of events do you do at the moment?

[WhiteGLX]

The SRX class of SE-R cup is only small becaus eoit sis very new, introduced only 3 years ago, and its not a inexpensive class to run at all.

BUt what i was saying is that, no track will allow a bunch of rookies to go into any type of competition in cars that are not race prepped and have a decent bit of power.

i personally do Mazda Drivers events and NASA HPDE's both are drivers education series with classes to move up through accoring to driver ability. I have been to 4 tracks on the east coast (Summit Point, VIR, Mid-Ohio, Beaverun).

[slider2828]

SRX class is really asking for full everything. Basically roll cage, harness, and all the fixings of an SCCA race car. Basically full on race + it is probably really competitive as well due to the fact of sponsors and factory backing. HPDE, is just school, but don't you pay 145 just to do the school which you only get like 45 mins outta the whole day because it is just instructor training and no real track time?

[Flybert]

SRX class is really asking for full everything. Basically roll cage, harness, and all the fixings of an SCCA race car. Basically full on race + it is probably really competitive as well due to the fact of sponsors and factory backing. HPDE, is just school, but don't you pay 145 just to do the school which you only get like 45 mins outta the whole day because it is just instructor training and no real track time?

Sounds like you need to go to your first HPDE before you even think about racing.

As for HPDE, you usually get about an hour and a half to two hours of track time at an HPDE.

[WhiteGLX]

SRX class is really asking for full everything. Basically roll cage, harness, and all the fixings of an SCCA race car. Basically full on race + it is probably really competitive as well due to the fact of sponsors and factory backing. HPDE, is just school, but don't you pay 145 just to do the school which you only get like 45 mins outta the whole day because it is just instructor training and no real track time?


SRX is not basically like anything, it is a race class for NASA, ever class in NASA has cars that are full out race cars, it is not some low brow thrown togeather cars at all. No real factory Backing either, not yet because of how new the class is, within the next 3 years i feel itll blow up big time.

As for the HPDE's, or High Performance Drivers Education, is is usually between 2-3hours of track time for a weekend running usually about $300. And that 2 days of driving. There are 4 different groupd in teh HPDE's, 1 is novic, 2 is some experience and both 1 and 2 have instructors in car for accelerated learning and training, Group 3 is advanced with no instructor, and group 4 is instructor class. There are insructor clinics to become an instructor after you have had a certain amount of track time so that you can go to these weekend for free but you spend alot of tiem in other peoples cars training them, its a good cycle.

Read up on this stuf a little befor eyou write up on it, i dont want to be the jerk or anything, but its obvious you dont know anything about NASA or about SRX. http://www.nasaproracing.com check it out and see how basic any of the race classes are.

[slider2828]

I read up a lot on it actually. The rule books and the classes, but it is really confusing. If you look at the .pdf's its not organized very well because they have one tech book for every class. It doesn't break the class down and say for this class this is what you need. It doesn't give really a good description of how the HPDE is run except what you are supposed to learn in each HPDE1-4, like you know how the time is on the track because on the schedule, yes HPDE is 145 for one day and like 300 for both, but they are also running NASA races that day. I mean how does that work, is there enough time, because they are doing licensing during that day.... And you need to complete 4 HPDE to be allowed to compete. But, if you dun have a race prepped car with harness, welded sunroof, roll cage, fire extinguisher, etc... You basically can't race period. I mean is there anything a street racer can run in their? I mean a car that can drive on the street and yet race in a race? It doesn't need to be NASA....

In my original idea, you know how sears point has drag nights for people to run their street cars and do a 1/4' mile with competition. But seems like there is nothing like that on the track except NCDA drift nights which is awesome. People can be competitive there and also have their cars on the street.

Trust me I have gone through the Rule books and descriptions of classes on that site, and you tell me it isn't confusing? The SE-R new webpage is like a posting with not really specific info on what you exactly need for that class. Seems like they need to rewrite the .pdfs with class specific info, not one big thing that has information for every class. Secondly the .pdfs has edits and strikeouts which is like wtf is that if it is serious and you see their corrections, but too lazy to go back to the original and create it?

In the end, I think the class and races are well thoughtout but the documentation is hard to read period.... Not banging on NASA and I think its a good alternative to SCCA, but I wish their documentation could be cleared up.

O and I dun think you are an asshole at all, just any input or real exprience would help, because they don't described anything at all about how their HPDE1-4 + licensing + racing days are ran. I read technical documentation because I am in IT all day, but man, NASA requirements for each class just eludes me....

[WhiteGLX]

they have rules for each class, but they also have a general requirment for all NASA race cars so there is a minmum safety level. The geenral rules for any NASA race car is the CCR, then there are class ruels for each individual class.

HPDE 1-4 are run 3-4 times each day of the weekend, with qulifying and races inbetween. While you are in classroom learning antoher group is on track. OR while you are not on track, another group is on track. Events start on track at about 8am-5pm, thats more then enough time to get everyone in.

The SE-R Rules are basically all for the SR class guys, SRX is stated as having very limited reglulations and they are stated in each catagory that is corvered if they are limited. Everything is broken down if you do some class specific searching. SRX is basically completely unlimitde in power and weight, limited in engien selection and chassis selection, and limited to chasis modifications (i.e. no tube frame, stock frame rails and firewall).

The drift thing is much safer then the HPDE's, beacuse of the high speeds adn time spent on course and the fact that they have worked successfully for many years now. Race cars are not ment to be driven on teh street which is why you dont see teh D1 and Formula D cars driven on the street either, true race cars aer a hassle and a half to amintain with street driving and in absolutly in no way legal.

[slider2828]

I the CCR has a lot of safety requirements so there isn't much on can do, so you can't have a daily driven race car hahahah.... I've since looked at some autoX stuff and you can ran a daily driven car in that and actually compete. Its a tough field, but its a start. The drifting NCDA stuff is awesome....

[WhiteGLX]

i dont know anything about any drifting club ..... not my department

[sideview_180sx]

slider2828 - what I think you are trying to get into is showroom stock class which SCCA has, even then you will be spending money. BTW you seem to have a problem with safety, we live in america, where a lawyer can and will do everything to win your lopsided case for you. Which is why standards are placed. BTW SE-R cup and SRX are privateer, there are no factory backed teams, these cars are all over 5 years old. It is privateer. IMO you need to attend one of the NASA hpde's just to spectate and get a feel for what you really want to pursue. SRX isn't diffcult it's very basic, IIRC 4 cars are running SR-X this year in west coast.

[slider2828]

Soweet... I definitely will attend an HPDE classes, in couple in fact. But showroom stock wouldn't really allow sr20det motors in it will they?

[sideview_180sx]

Read the rules before you start altering your car, some mods may bump you into a higher faster class.