Air Bags???

[Sick240]

Hey Guys, I was thinking about buying some airbags for my car, I can get the complete setup for about $1400, and I was wondering what you guys think about them.  I know that I will be sacrificing handling for ride quality, but the main thing is I am sick of scraping everywhere I go, All suggestions welcome! Thanks

[DSC]

http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/picture/shame/240ylo.jpg

That car has air bags...

You should get hydrolics so you can bounce <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/picture/shame/bluerice.jpg

Or you could spend that $1500 on a set of coilovers and actually have a car we won't laugh at, be able to corner very well, and have the car as low or as high as you need...

[MarketPlayer]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...Those are the ugliest fukin 240's i have ever seen!

[mrdirty]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sick240 @ May 27 2002,3:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Guys, I was thinking about buying some airbags for my car, I can get the complete setup for about $1400, and I was wondering what you guys think about them. I know that I will be sacrificing handling for ride quality, but the main thing is I am sick of scraping everywhere I go, All suggestions welcome! Thanks</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
if you'd rather have comfort than handling then do the car a favor and sell it to someone who'll use it as a sports car....
then go buy a cadillac.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[transient]

If you go with airbags, you can count on a model T outhandling you &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[rotaryknight]

Air Bags-
Benifits....
-Being able to raise your car up to the drive through window.
-Easier to go up ramps and speed bumps.
-Chicas will think you are hot
-Large men with heavy accents and tatoos will give you props


Downside....
-If you drive in to a lake your car will float upside down
-Even a Suzuki Samurai will out handle you
-YOU'RE RICE!

[240licious]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 27 2002,3:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
-Large men with heavy accents and tatoos will give you props
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>


hahahahahahahahahah!!!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>



http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/picture/shame/bluerice.jpg

chromies fo da homies <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[my240likenoother]

wow you guys r hard!!!


i think that he just needs to learn how to take the up hill ramps and speed bumps
you need to take all thoes things at a hard angel use one tire at a time
i have my front coilovers all the way down and i have no trouble with scraping its all on how you drive it &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>

[my240likenoother]

wow you guys r hard!!!


i think that he just needs to learn how to take the up hill ramps and speed bumps
you need to take all thoes things at a hard angel use one tire at a time
i have my front coilovers all the way down and i have no trouble with scraping its all on how you drive it if you have to slow every car behind you to almost a stop cause you need to take it slow over a speed bump tell them to fuck off
thats why the call it a speed bump &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MarketPlayer @ May 26 2002,6:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...Those are the ugliest fukin 240's i have ever seen!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> for more check out my website's Shame (http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/picture/shame/picsshame.htm) section <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

And my240likenoother...its the most fun way to encourage someone not to do something awful to their car <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

No hard feelings anybody... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[Coldsun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 26 2002,6:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Air Bags-
Benifits....
-Large men with heavy accents and tatoos will give you props</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
gay, but we wont touch that


anyway, if you want to they would be cool, but yea, handling would be gone, still probably better then most though, 240s come with good handling... and some people would think your rice, i wouldn't depending on how your car looks, you know... if your car is clean, the air bags wouldn;t make me think less of your car...

A nice REAL Coilover system is ideal... but they dont sound like they would help you, who the hell wants to get outta the car and crank the car up when you need to go over something... atleast with airbags you jus gotta hit a switch

its up to you, no one else dude... good luck

[Sick240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Coldsun @ May 27 2002,02:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its up to you, no one else dude... good luck</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thank you very much for not flaming and jumping to conclusions. &nbsp;I don't them to be as low as possible, the whole thing is, I don't want to have to get out of my car everytime that I need to go over something, &nbsp;I know to creep ass everywhere, and to go crooked over the speed bumps, but I am talking about the dirt road I live on, and how it is practically fucking four wheling, so maybe some of you that responded should at least take one second to think about my current situation before jumping on my ass and calling me "rice" Fuck that, it is bull shit, I wanted a simple fucking yes or no answer, that is all I asked for. &nbsp;If someone would have actually brought it up, I was going to end up asking if I should get a full body kit, and the bags, or if I should get a truck and lift it....Jesus Christ, that whole hydraulic comment was pretty fucking gay, and no, I dont like either of those 2 fucked up 240s.

[nrcooled]

Dude they were pretty hard on you but this forum is performance oriented and air bags for the most part would be counterproductive to that goal ::assuming that is also your goal:: &nbsp;My suggestion (and also what I plan to do) is get coilovers and keep them on the highest setting and then raise the damping to keep the ride sensible and when I go to the track adjust as neccesary. &nbsp;
BTW Tein is coming out with, if it isn't already released, adjustable coilovers that can be controlled in the passenger compartment thus eliminating your one of your concerns. &nbsp;Just trying to help you out <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Sick240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 27 2002,2:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dude they were pretty hard on you but this forum is performance oriented and air bags for the most part would be counterproductive to that goal ::assuming that is also your goal:: My suggestion (and also what I plan to do) is get coilovers and keep them on the highest setting and then raise the damping to keep the ride sensible and when I go to the track adjust as neccesary.
BTW Tein is coming out with, if it isn't already released, adjustable coilovers that can be controlled in the passenger compartment thus eliminating your one of your concerns. Just trying to help you out <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thank you, Do you know about how much those Tein coilovers will cost, and where I should get them from? Thanks again.

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sick240 @ May 28 2002,1:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteBegin--Coldsun+May 27 2002,02<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Coldsun @ May 27 2002,02<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its up to you, no one else dude... good luck</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thank you very much for not flaming and jumping to conclusions. I don't them to be as low as possible, the whole thing is, I don't want to have to get out of my car everytime that I need to go over something, I know to creep ass everywhere, and to go crooked over the speed bumps, but I am talking about the dirt road I live on, and how it is practically fucking four wheling, so maybe some of you that responded should at least take one second to think about my current situation before jumping on my ass and calling me "rice" Fuck that, it is bull shit, I wanted a simple fucking yes or no answer, that is all I asked for. If someone would have actually brought it up, I was going to end up asking if I should get a full body kit, and the bags, or if I should get a truck and lift it....Jesus Christ, that whole hydraulic comment was pretty fucking gay, and no, I dont like either of those 2 fucked up 240s.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Actually, what you asked for was:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was wondering what you guys think about them. &nbsp;</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That really isn't a yes or no question - it is an opinion question (note, "think"). &nbsp;You closed by inviting "All suggestions." &nbsp;Actually, in the word association sense, I think those answers were exactly what people "think" about air bags. &nbsp;What you didn't specify was a goddam thing about your "current situation." &nbsp;You asked about scraping - most of us don't associate scraping with living in bumble-fvck hillbilly land. &nbsp;So we are supposed to read minds AND give yes or no answers to opinion questions.

Here's my opinion, Cletus: think about what you are asking before you make some stupid a$$ post on a board and get reamed for being a numb-nuts slack jawed yokel. &nbsp;You got exactly what you asked for, even if it wasn't what you wanted to hear. &nbsp;If you would have spelled out the situation and said you needed a suspension that could put up w/ that or you would be buying a truck, I'm sure we could have said keep it stock - if that doesn't work, tough luck - enjoy the truck. &nbsp;Did you do that? &nbsp;NO! &nbsp;And when you were called on it, did you own up and admit that it came off wrong? &nbsp;NO! &nbsp;You called people out.

As for hydraulic comment - it was dead on. &nbsp;What is the difference in function b/n hydraulics and bags? &nbsp;I'm dying to know. &nbsp;Both make your car handle like sh!t. &nbsp;Both are commonly found on lowriders. &nbsp;They have the same abilities (actually, I don't know if bags can make a car hop). &nbsp;Etc. &nbsp;And you are indignant for the comparison? &nbsp;Like bags are what the racer ricers use? &nbsp;

Get over yourself... and buy a truck.

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 28 2002,1:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My suggestion (and also what I plan to do) is get coilovers and keep them on the highest setting and then raise the damping to keep the ride sensible and when I go to the track adjust as neccesary. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Keep in mind that everytime you change your ride height, you should get the car realigned. &nbsp;So this really isn't an option unless you like bad handling and rapid tire wear. &nbsp;You can adjust damping w/o an alignment (which the FLEX does), but not height. &nbsp;Damping will do very little to keep the car from scraping.

[Sick240]

Alright, try reading the fucking topic, Air Bags??? or keep the sportlines, noone said anything about my current springs. &nbsp;Second, I didnt think that anyone here would want to hear my life story about where I live, why I live there, and all that b/s. &nbsp;And when I say all suggestions welcome, flaming isnt a suggestion, it is a fucked up action. &nbsp;Maybe you should do your research before talking shit, in your last paragraph, you were giving me shit, yet asking questions at the same time, yes you can hop with airbags, they are called fastbags, no I dont want them to do that. &nbsp;The differences are, heavy ass, gay chrome cylinders, and pumps, or light little bags, compressor, and tank. &nbsp;And also, I didnt know for sure if your car would handle like total shit with bags or not, that was another implied question, although they cant be all too much worse than the sportlines because they are so fucking soft you end up bouncing all over the road, I dont care about the ride quality, And I am not all for the handling, it is nice, but I dont do auto x, so it is nothing big to me. &nbsp;I would just like to not worry about fucking up my front end all over town because where I live the roads suck, and they are beginning to literally put speed bumps in the middle of the road......... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>

[matic 240sx]

geez... i love how all of you have internet ballz.. what h0m0z..

"DuDe YouR A DuMb*Ss!! AiRBaGS arE ghuAY"

just ask your self if your all about show or speed.. what do you want in the long run... &nbsp;personally i would get air rods. &nbsp;bags break all the time and air rods are faster. &nbsp;ignore everyone on here... &nbsp;they all have stock cars <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

I think that nothing is wrong with putting some kind of adjustable air suspension on an import for show reasons. &nbsp;but once you get into those spoke and spinner rims then your just a lowrider freak not a "import tuner".

[nrcooled]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I belive it will be made to work on the HA and they run about $1100 and the in car controller will be around $300 more. &nbsp;It is worth checking into and if you e-mail Tein they are pretty good at responding. &nbsp;Goto this webpage (http://www.wholesalehyperformance.com/Teincoilovers.html) to find out about all of the Tein lines and differences between them <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 28 2002,2:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Someone correct me if I am wrong but I belive it will be made to work on the HA and they run about $1100 and the in car controller will be around $300 more. It is worth checking into and if you e-mail Tein they are pretty good at responding. Goto this webpage (http://www.wholesalehyperformance.com/Teincoilovers.html) to find out about all of the Tein lines and differences between them <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Look at what it says -
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">EDFC (Electronic Damping Force Controller) -makes it possible for the driver to control the damping force by controlling a motor installed in the shock absorber while being seated in the driver's seat. Since the damping force can be manually controlled with ease to meet different situations, the driver can enjoy variations in the suspension setting. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Damping force is not height. &nbsp;Shock absorber doesn't control height, the height of the mount (Zeal style) or the perch (Tein style) does. &nbsp;Ride height cannot be controlled w/ that thing.

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Damping force is not height. &nbsp;Shock absorber doesn't control height, the height of the mount (Zeal style) or the perch (Tein style) does. &nbsp;Ride height cannot be controlled w/ that thing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

My bust! &nbsp;I wrote then I read the site <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> sorry 'bout that. &nbsp;Anyway I still think coilovers are the way to go for me but as for you Sick240 maybe giving up the 240 is the best idea if you live in an extreamly rual area. &nbsp;Since the 240 is not that good in rain and snow maybe a truck is the best for you <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> I didn't think I'd ever hear myself saying that

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sick240 @ May 28 2002,2:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Alright, try reading the fucking topic, Air Bags??? or keep the sportlines, noone said anything about my current springs. Second, I didnt think that anyone here would want to hear my life story about where I live, why I live there, and all that b/s. And when I say all suggestions welcome, flaming isnt a suggestion, it is a fucked up action. Maybe you should do your research before talking shit, in your last paragraph, you were giving me shit, yet asking questions at the same time, yes you can hop with airbags, they are called fastbags, no I dont want them to do that. The differences are, heavy ass, gay chrome cylinders, and pumps, or light little bags, compressor, and tank. And also, I didnt know for sure if your car would handle like total shit with bags or not, that was another implied question, although they cant be all too much worse than the sportlines because they are so fucking soft you end up bouncing all over the road, I dont care about the ride quality, And I am not all for the handling, it is nice, but I dont do auto x, so it is nothing big to me. I would just like to not worry about fucking up my front end all over town because where I live the roads suck, and they are beginning to literally put speed bumps in the middle of the road......... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
oh wait... there's more &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> &nbsp;

1) &nbsp;Sportlines are your current springs goatload. &nbsp;That's all you mentioned. &nbsp;And they factor into the equation how? &nbsp;They must be too low. &nbsp;

2) &nbsp;ME do MY research? &nbsp;And you are asking this question... that's rich. &nbsp;I guess you don't see the irony in knowing jacksh!t about what you are talking about and then calling people out. &nbsp;As for the difference b/n bags and hydraulics - thanks &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;I was really waiting for that one. &nbsp;That's sarcasm - ME making fun you YOU. &nbsp;And as for the differences in parts... well, silly me. &nbsp;WHAT THE FVCK DO YOU THINK THE COMPRESSORS ARE MADE OF - STRYROFOAM? &nbsp;They're heavy too nad-cheese.

3) &nbsp;Ride quality. &nbsp;You'd be surprised about how much worse something could handle. &nbsp;Then again, I'm sure you are the type that I preach against when I recommend every nube against SL's b/c they are too low for the rate. &nbsp;I bet you teamed them with a stock strut/shock combo too, huh? &nbsp;Slammed and cheap! &nbsp;And since your little shnizzle-headed self has no idea what a blown strut is, you can't understand the concept of riding on the bumpstops with no dampning. &nbsp;That you don't care about ride quality is fitting (but I guess those big-heavy hydraulics are where you draw the line). &nbsp;

I'm done with you. &nbsp;You've proven that you are the very definition of a ricer. &nbsp;In all your thoughts, all your deeds, and your belief that it's not you, it's the other guy.

Good luck with that truck &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Sick240]

But with those coilovers, I can just put it at a decent ride height for daily driving, and adjust the damping, is that what the adjustment is on the KYB AGX's? &nbsp;And Yes you are correct, the Sprotlines are way too low for their spring rate, And I dint realize this, nor did anyone inform me of this, because at first, all I cared about was being low, and to be quite truthful, my tastes have since refined, and that is gay because it is pointless, and your car is almost impossible to get aligned properly, so you are running through tires like they are nothing. &nbsp;And yes I made the mistake of using my OEM strut, which blew virtually instantly, and that is why I am either going to order some adjustable shocks, or get the new setup, whatever it may be. &nbsp;So yes, I fucked up with buying the sportlines rather than the pro's, or another spring for that matter, but back to what I should do, should I just get those Teins? are they that good? or can I possibly find something better for around the sam price? Thanks for the valid responses, if I get any.

[HippoSleek]

Thanks.

Damping is what is adjustable w/ the AGX - just like the Teins. &nbsp;The Teins have more options, however, and because they are custom matched to the spring rates they provide, they are able to give a pretty awesome ride. &nbsp;Due to the matching and shorter shock body, they can be lowered w/o bottoming and killing ride quality. &nbsp;Scraping would still be an issue, however. &nbsp;IIRC, Teins, even on their highest setting, have a drop that is almost as big Sportlines. &nbsp;I would email the nice people at Tein USA and ask what the minimum drop is for those.

From what we've now arrived at, you are going to need to raise the car a bit. &nbsp;Many people claim that the difference b/n the Sportline and Pro Kit is amazing, in terms of scraping bumps and the like. &nbsp;Most people I hear w/ PKs mention no worse problems than stock. &nbsp;Another good spring in that range is the H&Rs, according to popular reviews. &nbsp;There are rates in the FAQ, I think, and IIRC the H&R is maybe a tad stiffer than the PK (double check me). &nbsp;Those paired w/ a decent adjustable shock - like an AGX would provide a 100% better ride. &nbsp;

Hope it helps. &nbsp;I think the biggest problem here is how bad is it scraping and how much will it take to stop it? &nbsp;Is .5" enough (PK) or do you need to go up more?

[Sick240]

.5" above where I am at now(are you talking about the Pros?)? or stock? I would almost definitely need more than .5 over the sportlines. &nbsp;That is why I was thinking about some really nice coilovers.... And with the blown struts(only in the rear) when I am going on a "wavy" road, doing somewhat fast, the rear end "bounces" and the damned 3" piping for my N1 tnds to his the ground at the bend right by my lower control arm. Stock height, with good handling would almost be ideal, maybe just a bit lower than stock. &nbsp;It is really getting to be that bad around here. &nbsp;Have you heard anything about the Apexi coilovers? Thanks again

[HippoSleek]

Okay. &nbsp;Apex would be bad - N1's cost $2K+ and WorldSports are not height adjustable (but will lower your car about 2").

PK's will only get you .5" - so they're out.

Stock is too soft.

The problem I see w/ highend coilovers is that 1) they start at at least 1.5" less then stock height, and get lower from there, although they retain the dampning abilities; and 2) that is a lot of money if you don't really use them.

Another alternative would be to get a set of decent adjustable struts/shocks like the AGX's and get a set of GroundControl collars. &nbsp;When you order the GC's, you can get custom length springs that will allow you to keep near stock ride height when you have the collars turned up most of the way. &nbsp;If you move - or whatever - you can turn them down an inch or so for looks, but keep enough suspenion travel.

When I had a Civic, I had GC's w/ custom length springs w/ custom rates. &nbsp;That allowed me extra stiffness and more length (since the packaged kit was too soft and too short to stand up to autox - I say too short b/c I co-drove a car with 7" springs and learned what front end wash out is all about <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> ).

You might want to call GC, tell them your application, and find out what the expected minimum lowering is w/ their packaged kit. &nbsp;Make sure you stress that you NEED the ability to go factory height (and that you will pay for custom length springs if need be). &nbsp;I bet they can hook you up. &nbsp;And FWIW, I used AGX's w/ 450lb. springs - they can take it!

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ May 27 2002,8:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Okay. Apex would be bad - N1's cost $2K+ and WorldSports are not height adjustable (but will lower your car about 2").

PK's will only get you .5" - so they're out.

Stock is too soft.

The problem I see w/ highend coilovers is that 1) they start at at least 1.5" less then stock height, and get lower from there, although they retain the dampning abilities; and 2) that is a lot of money if you don't really use them.

Another alternative would be to get a set of decent adjustable struts/shocks like the AGX's and get a set of GroundControl collars. When you order the GC's, you can get custom length springs that will allow you to keep near stock ride height when you have the collars turned up most of the way. If you move - or whatever - you can turn them down an inch or so for looks, but keep enough suspenion travel.

When I had a Civic, I had GC's w/ custom length springs w/ custom rates. That allowed me extra stiffness and more length (since the packaged kit was too soft and too short to stand up to autox - I say too short b/c I co-drove a car with 7" springs and learned what front end wash out is all about <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> ).

You might want to call GC, tell them your application, and find out what the expected minimum lowering is w/ their packaged kit. Make sure you stress that you NEED the ability to go factory height (and that you will pay for custom length springs if need be). I bet they can hook you up. And FWIW, I used AGX's w/ 450lb. springs - they can take it!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The WorldSport coilovers are ONLY height adjustable...they do not allow dampening adjustment.

IIRC tein's HA coilovers (correct me if i'm wrong tein owners) only give you about a .5" drop at their highest setting...

[HippoSleek]

Oops. &nbsp;Sorry about the Apexi WS. &nbsp;I don't know why I was thinking they were a fixed height unit.

As for the Teins - I dunno... I've never seen a set all the way up - but when they are about 1/2 down, it is like a 2+" drop. &nbsp;Hence my belief that we are talking about a minumum PK level drop.

Try [email protected] &nbsp;I would, but I already have a question in on the t/c rods...

[Sick240]

I could deal with .5" below stock, I dont think I would whine about that all too much. &nbsp;With the GC coilover, I apprecoiate that info about special length springs becaus I was curious about how they would be on my car, one of my friends with a stealth has them, and all the way down, it is about as low as my car with the SLs, &nbsp;and another buddy of mine has them on his accord, and 3/4 of the way up, he is tucking his whole tire, and has about 3 degrees of negative camber, and not only can noone get it on a rack to align it, they probably couldnt work that much out anyways..... &nbsp;Well, I am about to email someone from Tein, and I will find out about the highest setting, and if it is only .5" below stock, I will prob. just go with those..... if not, I will check on those Ground Control Coilovers. &nbsp;Thank you very much for the information guys, I really appreciate it! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> Lates!