1jzgte s13

[FinalDrive]

How easily can a 1jz be swapped into an s13?

I found one auto w/ front sump oil pan for CHEAP and thought it would be a fun project. Would it be easier to make custom mounts, or somehow combine a Soarer subframe w/ the s13 subframe?

Is it as simple as finding a 5spd tranny, getting a custom driveshaft, fabbing up some mounts?

[KiDyNomiTe]

No, you forget the harder part, the wiring...

Little other things like exhuast, power steering, a/c (if you are a sissy), etc...

[FinalDrive]

Exhaust work shouldn't be too complicated even w/ the manifold on the passenger side (hopefully)

I didn't even think about power steering...gotta take a closer look at the 1jz clip again to see what the deal is

Wiring is gonna be a huge pain... maybe I can find a some diagrams on google

[HyperTek]

its been done.. i forgot who built it, but it resides in socal.

[Ritz S14]

Yup. Garage Works. They have a 1JZGTE VVTI out of a 97 JZX100 in the works.

[Dousan_PG]

they have
1jz in a s13
1jz in another s13
1jz vvti in a s14

and shortly
1jz into MY s14
yeah like..2 week ill be 1jz powered

:)

[Irukandji]

haha is 1jz gonna be the new ESS RAWRRRR?

would be nice to have all reliable power for once.

[infinitexsound]

as easy as ur first time hard.... lol my friend with a jz motor, is havin issues electrically i stopped talkin to him after he told me that... still i wouldnt mind one in my car...

[AFSil80]

There was a guy on my website that had done that swap, along with a 70mm single turbo, twin TIAL 38mm wastegates, 440cc injectors, NPR FMIC, and a centerforce clutch. The rest of the motor was stock.

Fast. as. balls. Sadly, he lost control when it hit max boost while doing some twisties around 60mph, wrecked it. The motor is still good, and last I heard he was in the search for another S13 to put it back into.

[eyustfu]

haha is 1jz gonna be the new ESS RAWRRRR?

would be nice to have all reliable power for once.

and a reliable trasmission

[Sonic Motor]

i have 2 1jz. One of them is 5 speed with VVt-i

man, its so hard to find one with vvti and 5 speed.

Im not in a hurry to get rid of these, so dont ask unless you got money to burn ;)

[Sil Beer S13]

they have
1jz in a s13
1jz in another s13
1jz vvti in a s14

and shortly
1jz into MY s14
yeah like..2 week ill be 1jz powered

:)

WHo is fabbing it all?

[Dousan_PG]

garage works
should be a very reliable strong 350-400 rwhp
and thats mild
joe at GW does 550 rwhp on his 1jz..and hasnt touched internals yet iirc. low octane gas too...haha..its awesome.

[revat619]

Yeah for sure. 350 - 400 rwhp is cake for 1j. You wont have any problems at all. Dammit.....i hate you.

[DoriftoSlut]

I hate him too. WTF. SR sucks. Damn.

[jdm538]

1jz's in s13's are common stuff in thailand. i was going to fly someone over to do it for me.

[FinalDrive]

Have any contact info for Garage Works, Dousan? website, phone #?

Maybe they will sell me some mounts, driveshaft, wiring, piping, etc.

[SoSideways]

If you're in GA, you might want to come down to FL and contact a local shop that specializes in 1jz/2jz swaps into cars.

They have done quite a few 1jz swaps into Toyota cars already, so they know the harness pretty well.

If you want more info you can PM me about it.

[rabid_monkey]

p.s. - this cute fella has had a VVTi one since like 2002.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/CamryDriftWagon/Misc/IZUMIDA_S14.jpg

and used to have a zenki face like so:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/CamryDriftWagon/Misc/DSC00019.jpg

and has a huge single Blitz turbo and makes like 480whp and used to rock 17x10's all around back in 02' when people were lame. my favorite zenki of all times. Izumida is the man, and I will forever post this car whenever anyone talks about 1JZ swapped S cars. the BH loves it too.

[krustindumm]

Exhaust work shouldn't be too complicated even w/ the manifold on the passenger side (hopefully)

I didn't even think about power steering...gotta take a closer look at the 1jz clip again to see what the deal is

Wiring is gonna be a huge pain... maybe I can find a some diagrams on google

power steering bolts up, mounts are easy, mckinny's RB motor mounts may even be able to be used if you redrilled them. trans mount is almost like stock. Haven't seen the exhaust yet.

[ThatGuy]

Anyone have pics of Izumida's engine bay? I'd like to see some fitment pics.

[PoorMans180SX]

I'd also like to see some fitment pics sounds like a sweet swap...

[rabid_monkey]

Anyone have pics of Izumida's engine bay? I'd like to see some fitment pics.

sorry boss, there's like a 3 page spread in an old option from 2002, but i dont have a scanner.

[sideview_180sx]

you ricers Revat, Dousan. :loco:

TEs, now 1J. What next?? Agle Minervas:naughty:

[cr00k_lyn]

Any engine bay pics of the cars mentioned?

[SoSideways]

Any engine bay pics of the cars mentioned?

sorry boss, there's like a 3 page spread in an old option from 2002, but i dont have a scanner.

:squint:

message length blah blah

[santacruisin]

There is a 1JZ swapped 240 on cardomain.com. Search 240sx and it should come up on the first page of results. I was just looking at it bout 15 minutes ago so its still there. Lots of engine pics as well as pics of all the fabwork needed to make the swap work. Check it out to see the finished product...500whp, 12.8 on street tires.

[SoSideways]

On the first page of Nissan 240sx on cardomain.com was a S13 hatch with a 2jz motor, not 1jz.

[pignosecoupe]

There is a 1JZ swapped 240 on cardomain.com.

Link to a 2jz-gte s13 (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/751542)

[santacruisin]

what3ver, there it is. fitment with a 1jz shouldn't be that much different.

[Muzzy]

is there good parts support for the 1jz?? was there ever one released in a US model toyota or lexus. i know it prolly wont be turbo if it was just NA. jus wondering.

[Nan Desu Ka?!]

Link to a 2jz-gte s13 (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/751542)


HOLY CRAP! I think i just got the happy pants...

2 words. Hawt, Sex. :)

[sr240mike]

Dont buy any of the 1jz's from soarers!!!!! Leave those for the Sc guys so it's a plug and play swap.

[Muzzy]

sounds like u want an SC with a 1jz

[santacruisin]

Pretty sure IS300 had the 1JZ also. A crowbar, wrench and saw will score you one.

[sideview_180sx]

NA 1J and turbo 1J aren't the same. yah IS came with 1J, but it dfidn't have the spec internals the turbo 1Js came with. same goes for NA supras wanting to be TT bretheren.

[Touring240]

damn. Leave the 1jz's for the SC owners. I'd like to drop one in my SC400 eventually. ha

Support for the motor is getting better. There are lots of parts available in the 1J buysell section on supraforums.com

[Muzzy]

yea i understand that.

i the IS300 has a 2jz according to this---> http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0112scc_lexus/

unless they changed. besides...teh 1jz is 2.5l then that would make it a IS250
isnt it a 3S-G(motor) in japan???

[revat619]

Yes, the IS has an NA 2j, but its different from an NA supra or SC 2j.

[EchoOfSilence]

It's really wierd to see the intake side on the right and the exhaust side on the left...

[Touring240]

A local IS owner has a Supra TT 2J bottom end on the IS 2J head. Works well.

[eyustfu]

A local IS owner has a Supra TT 2J bottom end on the IS 2J head. Works well.
Yea thats already pretty common in the IS world. People either do that or a really thick headgasket to lower the compression.

One quick question, are the guys at garageworks still using the factory ECU?

[OdessaS13]

2jz s13 @ HIN. i didnt really pay much attention to it but if remember talking to the guy thats what he told me. i think he also said hes on norcal240. i did some recreational smoking before HIN in hopes of making the boredom go away so i dont remember half the shit..unfortunatly that didnt help.. no more hin for me :faint:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/VqNissan415/s13HIN2jz.jpg

[AFSil80]

Also, another popular idea for the MKIII Supra guys is a 1.5JZ swap. 2JZ block, 1JZ head, raising displacement to 3.0L instead of the 2.5L that the 1JZ block has.

A friend of mine did this swap using a 2JZ-GE (N/A) block and 1JZ-GTE(turbo) head, built motor, GT40-82 turbo. It's nasty, to say the least.

Although there's no real sense in doing this on a MKIV Supra, it's a highly regarded swap for the MKIII guys. Not sure on the SC/IS/GS crowds.

[liv2drift045]

1.5j's are nice... theres a guy in saitama breaking in a refreshed 1.5j w/ stock twins and the car is SO much better than stock... im thinkin bout doin this mod myself definately worth the money

[Muzzy]

....a whole month later

[CylonFrakker]

what3ver, there it is. fitment with a 1jz shouldn't be that much different.


Fitment will definately bee different! Different deck height between the two motors. The 1JZ head will flow faster (velocity) than the RB series and the 2JZ will flow more (Volume) than either of the motors. The best thing to do though is grab a 1JZ head from a Soarer or JZX90/100 and ditch the VVT-i block and find a cheap 2JZGE (NA) block and and use the boostlogic head gasket and convert the fan assembly from hydraulic to clutch. Wire up an MSD tach adapter. Throw on a 220 ohm resister on the wire leavign the ecu to the dash on coolant temp. Replace the radiator with one designed for the SR. Replace the ceramic twins with a SP-61 from sound performance and a BoostWerx manifold as well the HKS 50mm wastegate. Bolt on the W58 from the non turbo mkiv supra or sc300 (good for 400hp) or find an R154 from a MK3 with a 1JZ bellhousing. Don't forget about a the AEM EMS and 720cc injectors with Walbro or the PowerFC. Arizona Clutch or Exedy Twin Disc or RPS Carbon/Carbon. Custom alluminum drive shaft. Tune to 600HP with 18psi and go and snap axles or roast tires. Believe me it will be unctrollably fast with the hybrid motor!

Enjoy

OH yeah expect to spend about 12Gs for the swap.

[CylonFrakker]

Yes, the IS has an NA 2j, but its different from an NA supra or SC 2j.

Actually the 1998+ MKIV and SC300 share the same motor with the IS300. The VVT-i setup. The 2JZGE between 1992-1997 was the same. The blocks between the GTE and GE are identical save for the oil return and the piston oil squirters. IF you look at fully built 2JZ motors most of them are either GE or GTE with oil squiters removed. Also if you search you will find the 2JZGE has been pushed to over 700hp with stock internals and refreshed head with BL headgasket.



http://members.shaw.ca/kfgroup/240sx_-_2jz.htm


^^
Its been done homeys give KFG a call and tell them that Supraflame from supraforums sent you.

THey sell a full bolt in kit for the S chassis cars.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

ive heard horror stories about the wiring with toyota swaps

if you got someone who knows what theyre doing thats awesome though. Awesome sounding motor, It would be a lot more popular if parts were easier to come by for it

[URBootLegDrifterS]

I agree with the JDM guy. Bring someone over from Thailand to do the swap. I'm pretty sure they'll do it for a decent price. It'll be awesome to have a supra motor in a 240. To OMGWTFBBQ, thats a pretty nice name if that's what I think it means.

[hitman]

garage works
should be a very reliable strong 350-400 rwhp
and thats mild
joe at GW does 550 rwhp on his 1jz..and hasnt touched internals yet iirc. low octane gas too...haha..its awesome.


how is your car now?

[Dousan_PG]

actually havnet done it
probably wont for a bit, didnt feel comfortable selling the Sr
the 1jz is there for me
might put in the q45 when the engine goes to crap. its got like 205k miles on it and needs some maintenance. the 1jz awaits, i might still pick it up and just store it. those motors are so cheap its nuts.

[Muzzy]

[email protected]

dousan....wtf do u do for a living????

[Dousan_PG]

i got a good job, dont worry about it :)

it is cheap, under 2k
often cheaper then a Redtop SR

the cost of my kouki s14 sr i could have had 2 1jzs

[Muzzy]

lol obviously. u buy wheels like i buy shoes!! u buy stuff 4 your car more often then i buy clothes lol

[Dousan_PG]

its all about who you know.

[scir16v]

its all about who you know.

That ain't no shit

[Muzzy]

lol yea...thas how i got my current job.
NETWORKING!!! thas wut its all about.

[2iv0 sx]

Holy COW! :eek3d:

[Muzzy]

^^^^^
post whoring??

[usdm180sx]

No, you forget the harder part, the wiring...

Little other things like exhuast, power steering, a/c (if you are a sissy), etc...

Having a/c or not really depends on where you live. You have no clue what it's like sitting in 110 deg heat waiting in line at a drift event like at willow springs in the summer.

[240trainee]

I live in VA, my only car is my S13, 100 degree heat and enough humidity to be able to get your hand wet just running it through the air, and I'm heading on my second summer with no a/c. Though maybe that would just classify me as stupid, lol.

[hitman]

Having a/c or not really depends on where you live. You have no clue what it's like sitting in 110 deg heat waiting in line at a drift event like at willow springs in the summer.

i do, without ac too. no biggie.

[Dousan_PG]

i do at wilow springs for about 4 years w/ no ac and jeans and long sleeve shirt on (Depending on event)

deal with it.
try the guys who do the same in a full racing suit.
or on a bike in the leathers orwhtever they got.

[CrazyIvan]

who cares about heat when you're racing... just drink lots of water and you'll get used to it
im seriously looking into this swap as well, want to get it done by the end of summer if everything goes well, anyone has any info about the wiring and/or what year 1jz's to look into (if there are any differences b/c i havent done any research so far).

also any soarer fsms online???
ANY help and info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance

[Muzzy]

lol u guys are cracked. those of use our car as our daily dislike arriving to skool, work, or on a date sweating..n0t c00l nor fun. my car is black and a hatch.....aka heat magnet!!!! and i live in hot ass san antonio...aka...summer 8-9 months out of the year....aka upper 90s with 70-100% humidity....aka got damn got!!!! so fuk yea i need AC!!!! u cant get used to it!!! i used to drive with no shirt!!! didnt really work with 2-50 flowing or 2-70 flowing. (if u are unfamiliar with 2-50 and 2-70....that means both windows down doin 50mph or 70mph. usually u hear 4-60...but i aint got 4 windows obviously)

[revat619]

Fitment will definately bee different! Different deck height between the two motors. The 1JZ head will flow faster (velocity) than the RB series and the 2JZ will flow more (Volume) than either of the motors. The best thing to do though is grab a 1JZ head from a Soarer or JZX90/100 and ditch the VVT-i block and find a cheap 2JZGE (NA) block and and use the boostlogic head gasket and convert the fan assembly from hydraulic to clutch. Wire up an MSD tach adapter. Throw on a 220 ohm resister on the wire leavign the ecu to the dash on coolant temp. Replace the radiator with one designed for the SR. Replace the ceramic twins with a SP-61 from sound performance and a BoostWerx manifold as well the HKS 50mm wastegate. Bolt on the W58 from the non turbo mkiv supra or sc300 (good for 400hp) or find an R154 from a MK3 with a 1JZ bellhousing. Don't forget about a the AEM EMS and 720cc injectors with Walbro or the PowerFC. Arizona Clutch or Exedy Twin Disc or RPS Carbon/Carbon. Custom alluminum drive shaft. Tune to 600HP with 18psi and go and snap axles or roast tires. Believe me it will be unctrollably fast with the hybrid motor!

Enjoy

OH yeah expect to spend about 12Gs for the swap.

12Gs?!?! What are you smoking?! Maybe with all that extra crap and tunning for 600hp (which is total overkill in an S chassis, IMO). But for a stock swap, not even close. To swap a 1j into an S chassis, the total cost wont even get you near the 5 figures. Seriously.

[CylonFrakker]

i got a good job, dont worry about it :)

it is cheap, under 2k
often cheaper then a Redtop SR

the cost of my kouki s14 sr i could have had 2 1jzs


Dousan sell me the 1J. What JZ chassis did it come from?

[CylonFrakker]

12Gs?!?! What are you smoking?! Maybe with all that extra crap and tunning for 600hp (which is total overkill in an S chassis, IMO). But for a stock swap, not even close. To swap a 1j into an S chassis, the total cost wont even get you near the 5 figures. Seriously.


Seriously man did you not read the whole post or did you just pick one line.

The best thing to do though is grab a 1JZ head from a Soarer or JZX90/100 and ditch the VVT-i block

Okat motor set is about $1500+ depending on motor and setup and if its complete



and find a cheap 2JZGE (NA) block

Thats about $500 bucks easy


use the boostlogic head gasket
$300

convert the fan assembly from hydraulic to clutch.
$200 for clutch fan setup or
$450 electric fan setup from MVP motorsports


Wire up an MSD tach adapter.
$55 from summit


Throw on a 220 ohm resister on the wire leavign the ecu to the dash on coolant temp.
$1.58 radioshack
Replace the radiator with one designed for the SR. \
Koyo, Griffin, PWR, Fluidyne = $350+

Replace the ceramic twins with a SP-61 from sound performance
$1200


BoostWerx manifold as well the HKS 50mm wastegate.
$250 for manifold
$350 for wastegate

Bolt on the W58 from the non turbo mkiv supra or sc300 (good for 400hp) or find an R154 from a MK3 with a 1JZ bellhousing or get nasty with a V160/161. [/Quote]
W58 = $350
R154= $350
V160/1= $2500

Don't forget about a the AEM EMS and 720cc injectors with Walbro or the PowerFC.
AEM = 1400 full setup with sensors
PowerFC D jetro with laptop connection kit= $1200
Injectors are $500 direct boostlogic drop ins
Arizona Clutch or Exedy Twin Disc or RPS Carbon/Carbon.

AZ Clutch =$800
Exedy TD= 1350
RPS CC= $2900


Custom alluminum drive shaft.

$500

Tune to 600HP with 18psi and go and snap axles or roast tires.

Dyno time costs money so lets say $350 to test and tune.
BOV= SSQV = knock off $60
Don't forget all the fluids = $100
FMIC= $200
FMIC piping=+$300
So whats the total wiseguys


Wiring and custom wiring setup: 250
Labor = 1200


All that totals to the cheapest options $10,665.


Now add all the other necessary bullshit that comes along with a project build up and you easily have another $1335 to spend. So make your money

Then buy one already build.

[sciamop]

^^^^ Supraflame, I love posts like this. It's how I think when I start a new project car.

Very soon, I'll be selling my SR20'd S13 and moving on to an SC300/400. 1JZ here I come...